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The Cain Affair
Author: BobR    Date: 11/30/2011 13:51:40

It must be difficult to be a political candidate, especially on a national level. You have hopes and ideals, but you're also only human. You get up in front of everyone and try to make your points, but all those skeletons in your closet keep opening the door and stepping out into the harsh light of the media cameras, and before you know it, everyone is digging for dirt, seeing just what else is there.

For political parties, there is a process called "vetting", where they ask the candidate to come clean and then try to come up with explanations ahead of time (should the dirt go public), or advise the candidate that they have a poor chance. With the latest allegation against Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain, one has to really wonder how forthcoming he was during that process.

Up to this point, he hasn't really helped himself with the non-personal issues. He fudged on the 9-9-9 plan to make a 9-0-9 plan for the poor. He is combative with the media (despite having a radio show in Atlanta for years). By all rights, his on-camera brain fart responding to a simple question about Libya should have been the end of it, but considering the weak competition, he still thinks he has a chance (and possibly does).

And now there's the allegation of a 13-year affair with another woman. Somehow this is going to be what does in his candidacy? When one considers that Newt Gingrich has left 2 - count 'em two! - wives for other women, and is considered the front runner, why would this be the revelation that does him in?

Perhaps it's cumulative. Considering the aforementioned brain fart, his incessant repetition of "9-9-9", his campaign finance irregularities, and numerous allegations of sexual harrassment, perhaps this is the straw that breaks the camel's back. It seems like it would have to be, as it is the least of his known and alleged transgressions.

To be honest - I don't really care if he had an affair. Bill Clinton did, yet he was a great president. I suppose the difference is that Clinton didn't initiate the consensual relationship and - given the allegations of Cain to use his position of authority to harrass women - Cain may have been the aggressor, or traded money or influence for physical favors.

It would also be less aggregious if Cain wasn't towing the Republican party line on being against abortion and gay marriage. When one is engaging in risky relationships while simultaneously claiming that gay marriage will destroy "regular" marriage, then the hypocrisy makes you a target.

But the bottom line is this: As a Democrat, I cannot (and/or will not) vote in the Republican primary. I have no say in who they nominate as the candidate to run against President Obama. On some level, I'd like the worst candidate possible to make it that much easier for Obama to win. Reality being what it is, though, one can never count on the intelligence of the voters, nor the honesty of the vote counters. A bad Republican candidate could still ostensibly win the election, and then where would we be?

So if there's any way we can influence the outcome of the Republican nomination, then I can feel like we are helping the country. Since we can't vote for the Republican candidate, the best we can do is use the tools available to weed out the worst of the candidates. The best tool for that is the media.

This is why the Cain affair matters. Even though I don't personally care about it, if it helps marginalize or eliminate his chances, then all the better. That will leave Newt, Romney, Paul, and Huntsman. Newt is the next target, and Paul is not going to get it. If we can make the contest between Romney and Huntsman, we can support Huntsman, and end up with a Republican candidate that we could grudgingly live with, should the worst happen next November.
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 14:07:19
Morning

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 14:18:47
mmpht. Morning.

Comment by BobR on 11/30/2011 14:24:12
blog is posted

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 14:28:50
Excellent assessment, Bobber.

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 14:33:54
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 14:37:52
I concure with Raine, Bobber. Excellent work.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 14:43:05
Why am I for some reason want to quote the Caine Mutiny

"Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers..."

But other then that Huntsman is one of those Repubs that while I don't like what he supports I can (so far) respect him. He comes to the table as a grown up and that's a breath of fresh air for the Repub party

Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2011 14:44:54
Morning, comrades!

We've argued about this before....Mass has an open primary, and I *can* vote for the Republican candidate. I have done so in the past. (McCain, circa 2000).

It really depends what things look like when our primary rolls around, but voting against Romney would be personally satisfying to me.



Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 14:50:36
Quote by wickedpam:
Why am I for some reason want to quote the Caine Mutiny

"Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers..."

But other then that Huntsman is one of those Repubs that while I don't like what he supports I can (so far) respect him. He comes to the table as a grown up and that's a breath of fresh air for the Repub party
That is a good quote!

I agree, Huntsman is a grown up. I am not happy that he decided to run after Obama appointed him an ambassador -- however -- it appears that Obama knew that he was a grown up. interesting, huh?


Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 14:53:56
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Why am I for some reason want to quote the Caine Mutiny

"Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers..."

But other then that Huntsman is one of those Repubs that while I don't like what he supports I can (so far) respect him. He comes to the table as a grown up and that's a breath of fresh air for the Repub party
That is a good quote!

I agree, Huntsman is a grown up. I am not happy that he decided to run after Obama appointed him an ambassador -- however -- it appears that Obama knew that he was a grown up. interesting, huh?


Its from The Caine Mutiny with Humphrey Bogart


Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 15:32:31
I posted the CBS link to this yesterday, but Salon expands on it....
Lori Klein, an Arizona state Senator and Cain’s Arizona state chairman, told CBS News she stands by Cain.

Says she has known him for 12 years and he’s “never been anything but a gentlemen – and I am not an unattractive woman.”
Take a look at the link. This is the woman who took a gun out her purse and pointed at reporters a while back....

oh, and did I mention take a look at the link???

Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 15:33:36
Blogger Joe emails have gone out!

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 15:34:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Blogger Joe emails have gone out!



Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 15:36:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Blogger Joe emails have gone out!




sorry for the delay

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 15:38:05
Apros of nothing, did you know that Tina Wymouth's (bassist, Talking Heads) niece is the publisher of the Washington Post?

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 15:40:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
Apros of nothing, did you know that Tina Wymouth's (bassist, Talking Heads) niece is the publisher of the Washington Post?

Yes. I actually did know that.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 15:49:19
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Apros of nothing, did you know that Tina Wymouth's (bassist, Talking Heads) niece is the publisher of the Washington Post?

Yes. I actually did know that.



it's a fun factoid. It reinforces my already strong impression the Chris Frantz and Tina Wymouth are the preppiest rock stars, ever. Her dad it a retired vice admiral, who I've met very briefly.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 15:52:00
Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention, I've met David Byrne's sister. She was at the time director of MaryPIRG. She was in town to see the Heads and came by the Nader Mother Ship to check in with Ralph. She looks exactly like her brother.

Comment by BobR on 11/30/2011 15:57:10
For your daily dose of squeeee



Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 15:57:22
Jeebers.

I think Hal sparks nailed it when he said in the first segment of the show that it appears as tho every GOP candidate feels like they have to say something really stupid in order to get the media to pay attention to them (see: Rick Perry; Not knowing the voting age, or the day of elections. )

Then again -- he is a Republican....




Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 15:57:57
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention, I've met David Byrne's sister. She was at the time director of MaryPIRG. She was in town to see the Heads and came by the Nader Mother Ship to check in with Ralph. She looks exactly like her brother.
She must be a handsome woman...


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 16:03:36
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention, I've met David Byrne's sister. She was at the time director of MaryPIRG. She was in town to see the Heads and came by the Nader Mother Ship to check in with Ralph. She looks exactly like her brother.
She must be a handsome woman...


Yep!

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 16:03:47
You know, I really wish Huntsman didn't use that word -- because aside from that -- he really has a point.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 16:05:38
Quote by Raine:
Jeebers.

I think Hal sparks nailed it when he said in the first segment of the show that it appears as tho every GOP candidate feels like they have to say something really stupid in order to get the media to pay attention to them (see: Rick Perry; Not knowing the voting age, or the day of elections. )

Then again -- he is a Republican....





Seriously! Do they have to say this stupid crap? "Bimbo erruptions" is sort of a code word, too. Skirtchasing=Bill Clinton and all...

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 16:05:42
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 16:07:25
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 16:07:34
Quote by Raine:
You know, I really wish Huntsman didn't use that word -- because aside from that -- he really has a point.



to me it sounded like it was voiced in frustration

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 16:18:34
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 16:29:12
Oh, that reminds me - Glee - again very well done.

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 16:32:54
Quote by wickedpam:
Oh, that reminds me - Glee - again very well done.
Yes. REally good. (except that one stupid story line, that annoys the heck out of me -- This baby thing is really unrealistic)

I loved the episode!




Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 16:34:58
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Oh, that reminds me - Glee - again very well done.
Yes. REally good. (except that one stupid story line, that annoys the heck out of me -- This baby thing is really unrealistic)

I loved the episode!





the Shelby/Puck/Quinn thing is stretching

everything else was great esp Bieste!

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 16:40:56
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Oh, that reminds me - Glee - again very well done.
Yes. REally good. (except that one stupid story line, that annoys the heck out of me -- This baby thing is really unrealistic)

I loved the episode!





the Shelby/Puck/Quinn thing is stretching

everything else was great esp Bieste!
Exactly. It's rather annoying.

Bieste sang! Rachel did the right thing (after doing the wrong thing) Santana!!!


Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 16:46:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Oh, that reminds me - Glee - again very well done.
Yes. REally good. (except that one stupid story line, that annoys the heck out of me -- This baby thing is really unrealistic)

I loved the episode!





the Shelby/Puck/Quinn thing is stretching

everything else was great esp Bieste!
Exactly. It's rather annoying.

Bieste sang! Rachel did the right thing (after doing the wrong thing) Santana!!!



Santana and her grandma and Bieste singing Jolene just broke my heart! Rachel's heart was in the right place but yes, glad she saw the error of her ways

Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 16:47:16
I think we have handily driven the bus into the Glee ditch

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 16:53:09
Quote by wickedpam:

Santana and her grandma and Bieste singing Jolene just broke my heart! Rachel's heart was in the right place but yes, glad she saw the error of her ways
I loved that Jolene was covered.

I believe Santana's Abuelita will come to her senses.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 16:56:30
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:

Santana and her grandma and Bieste singing Jolene just broke my heart! Rachel's heart was in the right place but yes, glad she saw the error of her ways
I loved that Jolene was covered.

I believe Santana's Abuelita will come to her senses.


It does crack me up that she was singing it to Sue though

I don't know about Abuelita, she seems like a stubborn tough lady

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/30/2011 16:58:15
I think that Cain is largely done. It is not his sex life that matters, but the hypocrisy. (If he did indeed assault a woman, criminal behavior is unacceptable.)

Great blog, BobR! I think that we are seeing several people run who are not serious candidates.

By the way, Jeff Farias and Roman Ulman will both be on Arizona at work at noon Eastern -- click on this link and click on the video button -- http://www.kxxt.net/

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 17:04:52
Share this far and wide: Newt Gingrich's Skeleton Closet

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 17:07:07
Abuelita will come thru.

My oma disowned me when I moved in with a boy -- she really did. She kicked me out of her house.

A couple of years later -- we rented her apartment.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2011 17:37:02
Quote by Raine:
Abuelita will come thru.

My oma disowned me when I moved in with a boy -- she really did. She kicked me out of her house.

A couple of years later -- we rented her apartment.



the scandel!

Comment by BobR on 11/30/2011 17:54:32
This is geeky and rock & roll stoner at the same time: World's most complex Venn diagram for a rock & roll song

hat tip to Benji on FB

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 18:02:44
I go away for a few minutes and youse two hens have driven the blog into a "Glee" ditch. :Burbs, scratches:

Comment by Scoopster on 11/30/2011 18:16:51
Afternoon all! <- today's cup has booze in it. Just 'cuz it's been one of those days..

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 19:01:44
Quote by BobR:
This is geeky and rock & roll stoner at the same time: World's most complex Venn diagram for a rock & roll song

hat tip to Benji on FB



That is wonderfully amusing. It looks like something I would have done as kid with my Siprograph.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 19:05:02
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2011 19:25:40
Why did a I read a David Sirota column? I would rather be repeatedly poked with with a pointed stick in sensitive area of my anatomy.

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2011 19:34:09
Please report this Facebook page.

They are advocating a felony, theft and vandalism.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/30/2011 20:02:26
Quote by Raine:
Please report this Facebook page.

They are advocating a felony, theft and vandalism.


Reported. What I hate about today's right wingers, as much as anything else, is their willingness to act in anti-democratic ways. When did such behavior become not only acceptable among them, but laudatory?

Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2011 20:23:05
Dear Software companies:

Please make sure that everyplace in the USA uses ZIP+4 before you mandate it in your database without allowing us to enter "dummy" data or giving us a workaround.

Thanks.