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How to Occupy or Not?
Author: Raine
Date: 12/05/2011 14:20:12
As I mentioned in yesterdays blog comments, there was a bit of a kerfluffle at Occupy DC yesterday. Apparently those at the McPherson square encampment decided in the wee hours of Sunday morning to build what they called a People's Pavilion:
Now I understand the idea behind this act. What I don't understand is why they thought they could get away with this. There were reports that the GA was divided with what to do after the evacuation order came down from police. As I said on my FB page, Occupy DC was one of the last of the large encampments around the country. We all have heard and read of the police brutality. It's really awful. Yesterday in DC there were 31 arrests. A Cherry Picker was brought in to remove those that chose to occupy the roof of the structure. SWAT teams from the DC metro police department ( remember -- McPherson Square is under the National Park Police' jurisdiction) were also called in.
Things got very tense, as would be expected. Ultimately, the structure was torn down. McPherson Square is still occupied, which does come to my surprise. I think that part is amazing, to be really honest. I understand this is a protest -- I understand that the nature of protest means risking arrest -- what I don't understand is why they spend 1400 dollars on this structure, and were surprised that it would be torn down? And then there is this: One person was arrested for public urination. Really.
I have to be really honest with you here. I'm not worried if people disagree with me, because I am still trying to process this. I'm trying very much to not sound like a poopoo-er here. I just don't see how this stunt advanced the cause of the Occupy movement. It looked silly to me. It looks like this movement is about income disparity and the corruption that we see in this country. It appears to me that this structure -- designed by an architect, as they stated -- was built to be torn down. That seems like a terrible waste of resources and energy that could have, somehow (I don't have answers -- just many questions) been put to better use. No one is going to be won over by stunts like this. Once again -- this is my opinion at this point. I am willing to be won over.
As far as DHS being involved with trying to destroy encampments: it appears that in DC that is not the case. They were not removed as of this morning. So let me once again, make my feelings clear: Occupy has purpose. I support Occupy but I question the path. But this... this doesn't make sense. I am feeling a serious disconnect here. Here is a comment from the OWS link: Yes. I agree. I really do. EXCEPT...
There are reasons why we have zoning laws and regulations in America. Occupy DC chose (it appears) to ignore that when they built this barn. Please note that I mentioned laws and regulations. I don't think you can change the laws and regulations when you break them in the same breath as saying others are doing the same thing. Yes, people in America are being pissed on while being told it is just rain. Yes, deregulation of the banking industry is what got us here.
No, doing what they did yesterday is not going to help change the status quo. This just looked foolish. It looks petulant and won't win hearts and minds to the cause.
$1400 would have gone a long way to feed the homeless during this time of the year.
and 
Raine
United States Park Police arrested 31 people over the course of the day, after the deadline passed for protesters to take down the barn-like structure. Fifteen people are charged with crossing a police line, and 16 are charged with disobeying an official order, according to U.S. Park Police spokesman David Schlosser.
During the standoff, an inspector posted a notice on the structure, which Park Police say is in violation of park rules.
Metropolitan Police SWAT officers arrived Sunday afternoon to help Park Police remove the occupiers who had taken up camp on or inside the wooden structure.
Police told protesters Sunday morning they needed a permit for the wood structure that resembles a partially built shed or barn and gave them an hour to disassemble it. The group was given a deadline of 11:45 a.m. to take down the structure.
The wooden structure was specifically designed by architects to be safe and to comply with DC regulations, and meets the "temporary structure" standard. It is "prefabricated, modular and mobile structure - legally similar to the tents." It lacks a foundation and can be taken down in under an hour. As such, it does not violate city ordinances. According to @OccupyKSt,
Now I understand the idea behind this act. What I don't understand is why they thought they could get away with this. There were reports that the GA was divided with what to do after the evacuation order came down from police. As I said on my FB page, Occupy DC was one of the last of the large encampments around the country. We all have heard and read of the police brutality. It's really awful. Yesterday in DC there were 31 arrests. A Cherry Picker was brought in to remove those that chose to occupy the roof of the structure. SWAT teams from the DC metro police department ( remember -- McPherson Square is under the National Park Police' jurisdiction) were also called in.
Things got very tense, as would be expected. Ultimately, the structure was torn down. McPherson Square is still occupied, which does come to my surprise. I think that part is amazing, to be really honest. I understand this is a protest -- I understand that the nature of protest means risking arrest -- what I don't understand is why they spend 1400 dollars on this structure, and were surprised that it would be torn down? And then there is this: One person was arrested for public urination. Really.
By the end of the evening, 31 people had been arrested, according to a spokesman for the United States Park Police: 15 for crossing a police line and 16 for disobeying a lawful order after the structure was declared unsafe, the spokesman said. Of those, one was charged with indecent exposure, among other things, for urinating while atop the structure.
One of the protesters landed with a flamboyant somersault on the inflated mattress. He was arrested as onlookers cheered as if he were a gymnast who had just stuck a landing. A few more protesters were then removed one at a time in the cherry picker basket. With the removal of the last protester, the occupation of the structure came to an end around 8:30 p.m. Within an hour of the last arrest, the structure was being hauled away in pieces. The police did hand back to the protesters a flag that they had flown from the peak of the roof.
I have to be really honest with you here. I'm not worried if people disagree with me, because I am still trying to process this. I'm trying very much to not sound like a poopoo-er here. I just don't see how this stunt advanced the cause of the Occupy movement. It looked silly to me. It looks like this movement is about income disparity and the corruption that we see in this country. It appears to me that this structure -- designed by an architect, as they stated -- was built to be torn down. That seems like a terrible waste of resources and energy that could have, somehow (I don't have answers -- just many questions) been put to better use. No one is going to be won over by stunts like this. Once again -- this is my opinion at this point. I am willing to be won over.
As far as DHS being involved with trying to destroy encampments: it appears that in DC that is not the case. They were not removed as of this morning. So let me once again, make my feelings clear: Occupy has purpose. I support Occupy but I question the path. But this... this doesn't make sense. I am feeling a serious disconnect here. Here is a comment from the OWS link:
It is never necessary in America for the police to suppress the freedom of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
there is something rotten when this kind of harassment, arrest, restriction of speech and movement happens in America. It is tragic and un-American!
The real crime, the crime of the century just played out right in front of our eyes. We need some accountability and indictments need to be brought against the real criminals on Wall Street. Arresting Americans for exercising our constitutional rights is absurd while the ones who stole billions of “hardworking taxpayer’s” money - under the guise of “too big to fail” - walk free and receive bonuses from the people’s tax revenue.
Those of you who disparage OWS are either part of the 1% or you are woefully uninformed of American Constitutional rights.
There are reasons why we have zoning laws and regulations in America. Occupy DC chose (it appears) to ignore that when they built this barn. Please note that I mentioned laws and regulations. I don't think you can change the laws and regulations when you break them in the same breath as saying others are doing the same thing. Yes, people in America are being pissed on while being told it is just rain. Yes, deregulation of the banking industry is what got us here.
No, doing what they did yesterday is not going to help change the status quo. This just looked foolish. It looks petulant and won't win hearts and minds to the cause.
$1400 would have gone a long way to feed the homeless during this time of the year.
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 12/05/2011 14:28:55
wickedpam on 12/05/2011 14:28:55
Morning 
I didn't get the concept of the structure either. Glad to hear the park is still Occupied. Wonder if it was a "look at us" kind of thing - OccupyDC doesn't seem to get any press while all the others do.
I didn't get the concept of the structure either. Glad to hear the park is still Occupied. Wonder if it was a "look at us" kind of thing - OccupyDC doesn't seem to get any press while all the others do.
Comment by 
BobR on 12/05/2011 14:36:32
BobR on 12/05/2011 14:36:32
Are they just trying to see how far they can push things? This was not a smart approach to achieving their ends.
Comment by 
TriSec on 12/05/2011 14:37:10
TriSec on 12/05/2011 14:37:10
Morning, comrades.
Occupy Boston is also pulling some of the same shennanigans...apparently yesterday they announced to the media that they were bringing in some "heavy, winterized tents" today. So naturally, the police are going to line up to prevent them from doing so.
Two points to take away: if you're going to do something borderline illegal, why announce it? Just bring the damn tent in quietly and dare them to stop you. It seems to me like the occupy folks are setting up a confrontation.
And second....ya know, I sell tents and I've camped in all conditions. I do own a "heavy, winterized tent". It's called a "tent". There's nothing special about it.
Occupy Boston is also pulling some of the same shennanigans...apparently yesterday they announced to the media that they were bringing in some "heavy, winterized tents" today. So naturally, the police are going to line up to prevent them from doing so.
Two points to take away: if you're going to do something borderline illegal, why announce it? Just bring the damn tent in quietly and dare them to stop you. It seems to me like the occupy folks are setting up a confrontation.
And second....ya know, I sell tents and I've camped in all conditions. I do own a "heavy, winterized tent". It's called a "tent". There's nothing special about it.
Comment by 
Raine on 12/05/2011 14:47:18
In DC, they actually tried to say that this structure was no different from a Tent. From the WTOP link:
I think bob is right -- it appears they are trying to push things.
I can tell you this, I know that this is meant to be a peaceful non violent protest, but public urination is not really peaceful to me. I heard a woman interviewed that went to jail. She said she went there for 7 hours -- and she was happy that she was goading the corrections officers in jail. I know as stated in the blog that risking arrest is part of this -- but don't gloat about it. This is supposed to be serious.
I know, I am starting to sound like an old lady here, but I hate that Occupy is actually giving detractors to the movement ammunition.
Raine on 12/05/2011 14:47:18
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades.
Occupy Boston is also pulling some of the same shennanigans...apparently yesterday they announced to the media that they were bringing in some "heavy, winterized tents" today. So naturally, the police are going to line up to prevent them from doing so.
Two points to take away: if you're going to do something borderline illegal, why announce it? Just bring the damn tent in quietly and dare them to stop you. It seems to me like the occupy folks are setting up a confrontation.
And second....ya know, I sell tents and I've camped in all conditions. I do own a "heavy, winterized tent". It's called a look, "tent". There's nothing special about it.
The protesters built the "structure-like tent" in about four hours Saturday night. Some of them were calling it a "barn raising."
I think bob is right -- it appears they are trying to push things.
I can tell you this, I know that this is meant to be a peaceful non violent protest, but public urination is not really peaceful to me. I heard a woman interviewed that went to jail. She said she went there for 7 hours -- and she was happy that she was goading the corrections officers in jail. I know as stated in the blog that risking arrest is part of this -- but don't gloat about it. This is supposed to be serious.
I know, I am starting to sound like an old lady here, but I hate that Occupy is actually giving detractors to the movement ammunition.
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 14:55:03
Raine on 12/05/2011 14:55:03
So serious question:
How can Cain endorse another candidate while still taking matching funds from the government? Is it me or that blatant fraud?
How can Cain endorse another candidate while still taking matching funds from the government? Is it me or that blatant fraud?
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 15:00:18
Raine on 12/05/2011 15:00:18
George W. Bush cancels visit to Swiss charity gala over fears he could be arrested on torture charges
Interesting. It appears more and more that W is becoming a man that cannot leave the country.
Interesting. It appears more and more that W is becoming a man that cannot leave the country.
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 15:02:37
Raine on 12/05/2011 15:02:37
You know what is funny? Every few weeks we here this:
It looks like the GOP race is a fight between Mitt Romney and ___________ (Insert GOP flavor of the month)
It looks like the GOP race is a fight between Mitt Romney and ___________ (Insert GOP flavor of the month)
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 15:11:10
Raine on 12/05/2011 15:11:10
-- and in other news -- does Newt REALLY want the Cain endorsement?
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 15:11:44
Raine on 12/05/2011 15:11:44
I mean -- come on -- Cain is the new Santorum, imo. He's icky.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 15:12:24
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 15:12:24
Morning all. I agree with you Raine, ODC seems to be trying to provoke a confrontation with the cops. Dunno why. Seems counterproductive to me.
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 15:28:08
Mornin'
This is an important point -- NPS actually brought in a building inspector -- they did not clear the park.
It's all very curious.
Raine on 12/05/2011 15:28:08
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. I agree with you Raine, ODC seems to be trying to provoke a confrontation with the cops. Dunno why. Seems counterproductive to me.
This is an important point -- NPS actually brought in a building inspector -- they did not clear the park.
It's all very curious.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/05/2011 15:30:25
wickedpam on 12/05/2011 15:30:25
lawrd, so sleepy this morning 
Comment by TriSec on 12/05/2011 15:33:03
TriSec on 12/05/2011 15:33:03
Scott Brown. Shih-Tzu. Scott Brown. Shih-Tzu.
Mmmmmmmm.
Mmmmmmmm.
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 15:37:25
So, I meant to tell you all about our morning...
We were awoken before 6 am to the sounds of the Fire Dept. and a CO2 Alarm from our new neighbors house.
Quite the commotion on the street today. (LOVE LOVE LOVE our Fire department, BTW) The fire dept showed up -- and it was the new couple next door who had the alarms go off. (elevated CO2 levels in the house they just moved into this weekend...
) SO....
we Had a visit from the Fire Dept. to check out our home for CO2 (we are fine -- all clear)
They checked the neighbors on the other side of the new neighbors... sadly it was their furnace. I think they went to stay at parents.
I made coffee for everyone. Now I want to go back to sleep.
Raine on 12/05/2011 15:37:25
Quote by wickedpam:
lawrd, so sleepy this morning
We were awoken before 6 am to the sounds of the Fire Dept. and a CO2 Alarm from our new neighbors house.
Quite the commotion on the street today. (LOVE LOVE LOVE our Fire department, BTW) The fire dept showed up -- and it was the new couple next door who had the alarms go off. (elevated CO2 levels in the house they just moved into this weekend...
) SO.... we Had a visit from the Fire Dept. to check out our home for CO2 (we are fine -- all clear)
They checked the neighbors on the other side of the new neighbors... sadly it was their furnace. I think they went to stay at parents.
I made coffee for everyone. Now I want to go back to sleep.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 15:49:55
CO2 or CO? There is a big difference.
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 15:49:55
Quote by Raine:So, I meant to tell you all about our morning...Quote by wickedpam:
lawrd, so sleepy this morning
We were awoken before 6 am to the sounds of the Fire Dept. and a CO2 Alarm from our new neighbors house.
Quite the commotion on the street today. (LOVE LOVE LOVE our Fire department, BTW) The fire dept showed up -- and it was the new couple next door who had the alarms go off. (elevated CO2 levels in the house they just moved into this weekend...
we Had a visit from the Fire Dept. to check out our home for CO2 (we are fine -- all clear)
They checked the neighbors on the other side of the new neighbors... sadly it was their furnace. I think they went to stay at parents.
I made coffee for everyone. Now I want to go back to sleep.
CO2 or CO? There is a big difference.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/05/2011 15:52:09
which station? we get 205 every time our alarms go off - nice guys
while there were no sirens I too was up before 6am - thanks to the lovely traffic around here it can take anywhere from 45min to and 1 1/2 hours to get to work. And communte isn't going to get better when we move the office in the spring - we are going to Springfield
wickedpam on 12/05/2011 15:52:09
Quote by Raine:So, I meant to tell you all about our morning...Quote by wickedpam:
lawrd, so sleepy this morning
We were awoken before 6 am to the sounds of the Fire Dept. and a CO2 Alarm from our new neighbors house.
Quite the commotion on the street today. (LOVE LOVE LOVE our Fire department, BTW) The fire dept showed up -- and it was the new couple next door who had the alarms go off. (elevated CO2 levels in the house they just moved into this weekend...
we Had a visit from the Fire Dept. to check out our home for CO2 (we are fine -- all clear)
They checked the neighbors on the other side of the new neighbors... sadly it was their furnace. I think they went to stay at parents.
I made coffee for everyone. Now I want to go back to sleep.
which station? we get 205 every time our alarms go off - nice guys
while there were no sirens I too was up before 6am - thanks to the lovely traffic around here it can take anywhere from 45min to and 1 1/2 hours to get to work. And communte isn't going to get better when we move the office in the spring - we are going to Springfield
Comment by TriSec on 12/05/2011 15:54:23
TriSec on 12/05/2011 15:54:23
We've already had some deaths around here - I cannot stress the importance of Carbon Monoxide detectors for our northern-tier bloggers enough. (Southern guys too, if you have gas-fired water heaters or the like.)
Generators during the power outages were the primary culprit, but we're headed into heating season now, too.
Generators during the power outages were the primary culprit, but we're headed into heating season now, too.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 15:57:47
Joy! Springfield! the most congested park of the already congested Fairfax county.
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 15:57:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:So, I meant to tell you all about our morning...Quote by wickedpam:
lawrd, so sleepy this morning
We were awoken before 6 am to the sounds of the Fire Dept. and a CO2 Alarm from our new neighbors house.
Quite the commotion on the street today. (LOVE LOVE LOVE our Fire department, BTW) The fire dept showed up -- and it was the new couple next door who had the alarms go off. (elevated CO2 levels in the house they just moved into this weekend...
we Had a visit from the Fire Dept. to check out our home for CO2 (we are fine -- all clear)
They checked the neighbors on the other side of the new neighbors... sadly it was their furnace. I think they went to stay at parents.
I made coffee for everyone. Now I want to go back to sleep.
which station? we get 205 every time our alarms go off - nice guys
while there were no sirens I too was up before 6am - thanks to the lovely traffic around here it can take anywhere from 45min to and 1 1/2 hours to get to work. And communte isn't going to get better when we move the office in the spring - we are going to Springfield
Joy! Springfield! the most congested park of the already congested Fairfax county.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/05/2011 16:05:32
tell me about it - at least we'll be near Accotink park
wickedpam on 12/05/2011 16:05:32
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:So, I meant to tell you all about our morning...Quote by wickedpam:
lawrd, so sleepy this morning
We were awoken before 6 am to the sounds of the Fire Dept. and a CO2 Alarm from our new neighbors house.
Quite the commotion on the street today. (LOVE LOVE LOVE our Fire department, BTW) The fire dept showed up -- and it was the new couple next door who had the alarms go off. (elevated CO2 levels in the house they just moved into this weekend...
we Had a visit from the Fire Dept. to check out our home for CO2 (we are fine -- all clear)
They checked the neighbors on the other side of the new neighbors... sadly it was their furnace. I think they went to stay at parents.
I made coffee for everyone. Now I want to go back to sleep.
which station? we get 205 every time our alarms go off - nice guys
while there were no sirens I too was up before 6am - thanks to the lovely traffic around here it can take anywhere from 45min to and 1 1/2 hours to get to work. And communte isn't going to get better when we move the office in the spring - we are going to Springfield
Joy! Springfield! the most congested park of the already congested Fairfax county.
tell me about it - at least we'll be near Accotink park
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 16:07:09
What is this "gas-fire water heater" of which you speak?
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 16:07:09
Quote by TriSec:
We've already had some deaths around here - I cannot stress the importance of Carbon Monoxide detectors for our northern-tier bloggers enough. (Southern guys too, if you have gas-fired water heaters or the like.)
Generators during the power outages were the primary culprit, but we're headed into heating season now, too.
What is this "gas-fire water heater" of which you speak?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 16:08:29
That is a bonus, I guess. Accotink Park is nice.
I, Mondo had a Springfield address, it was more in Burke, really.
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 16:08:29
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:So, I meant to tell you all about our morning...Quote by wickedpam:
lawrd, so sleepy this morning
We were awoken before 6 am to the sounds of the Fire Dept. and a CO2 Alarm from our new neighbors house.
Quite the commotion on the street today. (LOVE LOVE LOVE our Fire department, BTW) The fire dept showed up -- and it was the new couple next door who had the alarms go off. (elevated CO2 levels in the house they just moved into this weekend...
we Had a visit from the Fire Dept. to check out our home for CO2 (we are fine -- all clear)
They checked the neighbors on the other side of the new neighbors... sadly it was their furnace. I think they went to stay at parents.
I made coffee for everyone. Now I want to go back to sleep.
which station? we get 205 every time our alarms go off - nice guys
while there were no sirens I too was up before 6am - thanks to the lovely traffic around here it can take anywhere from 45min to and 1 1/2 hours to get to work. And communte isn't going to get better when we move the office in the spring - we are going to Springfield
Joy! Springfield! the most congested park of the already congested Fairfax county.
tell me about it - at least we'll be near Accotink park
That is a bonus, I guess. Accotink Park is nice.
I, Mondo had a Springfield address, it was more in Burke, really.
Comment by TriSec on 12/05/2011 16:09:09
Ah yes, my bad. I forgot you could just leave a bucket of water out on the pavement in the sun.
TriSec on 12/05/2011 16:09:09
Quote by Mondobubba:
What is this "gas-fire water heater" of which you speak?
Ah yes, my bad. I forgot you could just leave a bucket of water out on the pavement in the sun.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/05/2011 16:10:49
wickedpam on 12/05/2011 16:10:49
Mondo - I too once had a Springfield address when I first moved here - lived right off Backlick, oh the joy
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 16:18:28
:breaths into Starbuck's cup: Dont make me destroy you.
We have all electric in these parts. If you want gas, it comes on a propane container.
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 16:18:28
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
What is this "gas-fire water heater" of which you speak?
Ah yes, my bad. I forgot you could just leave a bucket of water out on the pavement in the sun.
:breaths into Starbuck's cup: Dont make me destroy you.
We have all electric in these parts. If you want gas, it comes on a propane container.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 16:20:37
Backlick! Ugh on so many levels. Traffic congestion for one, the awful name "Backlick" for another.
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 16:20:37
Quote by wickedpam:
Mondo - I too once had a Springfield address when I first moved here - lived right off Backlick, oh the joy
Backlick! Ugh on so many levels. Traffic congestion for one, the awful name "Backlick" for another.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/05/2011 16:24:18
And its hasn't gotten any better over the years
wickedpam on 12/05/2011 16:24:18
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Mondo - I too once had a Springfield address when I first moved here - lived right off Backlick, oh the joy
Backlick! Ugh on so many levels. Traffic congestion for one, the awful name "Backlick" for another.
And its hasn't gotten any better over the years
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/05/2011 16:28:13
livingonli on 12/05/2011 16:28:13
Good morning folks. Struggling to get up again this morning since it took awhile for me to fall asleep.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 12/05/2011 16:38:18
Scoopster on 12/05/2011 16:38:18
Mornin' all.. 
Ugh I'm so wiped.. and it's only three hours into the work week!
Ugh I'm so wiped.. and it's only three hours into the work week!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 17:53:56
Traffic never improves. It is much like Field of Dreams build a road and they will come.
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 17:53:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Mondo - I too once had a Springfield address when I first moved here - lived right off Backlick, oh the joy
Backlick! Ugh on so many levels. Traffic congestion for one, the awful name "Backlick" for another.
And its hasn't gotten any better over the years
Traffic never improves. It is much like Field of Dreams build a road and they will come.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 17:56:27
It's whats on the iPod.
Mondobubba on 12/05/2011 17:56:27
It's whats on the iPod.
Comment by livingonli on 12/05/2011 18:12:41
livingonli on 12/05/2011 18:12:41
Thom's going on about the AFA's Christmas list pointing out that it is blasphemy to put a gold star next to the companies that invoke Jesus' name to peddle merchandise
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 18:15:38
Raine on 12/05/2011 18:15:38
back from a nap. I see Thom is entertaining a Wingnut.
I see Thom is entertaining a Wingnut.
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 18:16:26
This guy is SO disengenuous.
Raine on 12/05/2011 18:16:26
Quote by livingonli:
Thom's going on about the AFA's Christmas list pointing out that it is blasphemy to put a gold star next to the companies that invoke Jesus' name to peddle merchandise
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 18:17:45
Raine on 12/05/2011 18:17:45
Now he's twisting the wrods of the parable... it's the one Tri mentioned in his blog a few weeks back. WOW. 
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 18:21:25
Remember this Blog entry: A Parable
This dude just now on Thom used that parable in order to say that Jesus was a capitalist. For real.
Raine on 12/05/2011 18:21:25
Quote by Raine:
Now he's twisting the wrods of the parable... it's the one Tri mentioned in his blog a few weeks back. WOW.
This dude just now on Thom used that parable in order to say that Jesus was a capitalist. For real.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/05/2011 18:49:12
Why do way always forget about the widow? Sure its about tithing but I've always thought that it was bigger then that - you give what is in your heart to whatever you do.
The Widow's Offering
(Luke 21:1-4)
41As Jesus[aa] sat facing the offering box, he watched how the crowd was dropping their money into it.[bb] Many rich people were dropping in large amounts. 42Then a destitute widow came and dropped in two small copper coins, worth about a cent. 43 He called his disciples and said to them, “I tell you with certainty, this destitute widow has dropped in more than everyone who is contributing to the offering box, 44 because all of them contributed out of their surplus, but out of her poverty she has given everything she had to live on.â€
wickedpam on 12/05/2011 18:49:12
Quote by Raine:Remember this Blog entry: A ParableQuote by Raine:
Now he's twisting the wrods of the parable... it's the one Tri mentioned in his blog a few weeks back. WOW.
This dude just now on Thom used that parable in order to say that Jesus was a capitalist. For real.
Why do way always forget about the widow? Sure its about tithing but I've always thought that it was bigger then that - you give what is in your heart to whatever you do.
The Widow's Offering
(Luke 21:1-4)
41As Jesus[aa] sat facing the offering box, he watched how the crowd was dropping their money into it.[bb] Many rich people were dropping in large amounts. 42Then a destitute widow came and dropped in two small copper coins, worth about a cent. 43 He called his disciples and said to them, “I tell you with certainty, this destitute widow has dropped in more than everyone who is contributing to the offering box, 44 because all of them contributed out of their surplus, but out of her poverty she has given everything she had to live on.â€
Comment by TriSec on 12/05/2011 18:57:02
TriSec on 12/05/2011 18:57:02
If you're referring to the list of "Christmas-friendly" companies that's been circulating, I'm a bit miffed to find LL Bean on the avoid list.
Being "inside the Boot", that's about as far from the truth as you can get.
Being "inside the Boot", that's about as far from the truth as you can get.
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 19:23:06
Raine on 12/05/2011 19:23:06
and in other news... the GOP Race is officially a reality show. A freak show, in my opinion.
After the summit today, Gignrich and Trump announced a joint plan to select 10 “apprenti,†as Trump put it (the actual plural of “apprentice†is “apprenticesâ€) from New York City’s schools to work for the reality TV star. “It was Newt’s idea and I thought it was a great idea,†Trump said at a joint press conference. Watch it:
Comment by Scoopster on 12/05/2011 19:25:50
Scoopster on 12/05/2011 19:25:50
Raine, I totally read the headline on that video as "Trump and Gingrich unveil Love Child Plan" 
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 19:55:04
That is hysterical!
Raine on 12/05/2011 19:55:04
Quote by Scoopster:
Raine, I totally read the headline on that video as "Trump and Gingrich unveil Love Child Plan"
That is hysterical!
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 19:55:39
Raine on 12/05/2011 19:55:39
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 19:57:02
Raine on 12/05/2011 19:57:02
So, I am sure media matters will have the audio or the link, but the CNC news service (I think that was the one) asked Jay Carney at the WH Press briefing if the president supported bestiality.
No, Really.
No, Really.
Comment by TriSec on 12/05/2011 20:01:57
TriSec on 12/05/2011 20:01:57
Point of fact: Any of the bad stuff you see in RW media about the Bean is tracked back to one source. Linda Bean, who had a falling out with the family, became a right-wing tool, and was kicked off the Board of Directors and cut off.
She's got a personal vendetta that has nothing to do with LL Bean as a company.
She's got a personal vendetta that has nothing to do with LL Bean as a company.
Comment by Raine on 12/05/2011 20:03:46
Raine on 12/05/2011 20:03:46
Lester Kinsolving appears to be the man that asked the question. HE also appears to be a columnist for WND.
Comment by TriSec on 12/05/2011 20:06:04
TriSec on 12/05/2011 20:06:04
Say now, I just had an idle thought.
Remember that old "Buy Blue" website from back in the day? (I think it's defunct.) How many of those companies on the AFA 'avoid' list were listed as Blue-friendly?
Remember that old "Buy Blue" website from back in the day? (I think it's defunct.) How many of those companies on the AFA 'avoid' list were listed as Blue-friendly?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/05/2011 20:06:29
I'm sorry, what?
wickedpam on 12/05/2011 20:06:29
Quote by Raine:
So, I am sure media matters will have the audio or the link, but the CNC news service (I think that was the one) asked Jay Carney at the WH Press briefing if the president supported bestiality.
No, Really.
I'm sorry, what?