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All Your Vagina's Belong to Them - V.5
Author: Raine    Date: 02/16/2012 15:09:01

If you have been watching Rachel Maddow, you already know about the newest draconian law that Virginia just passed -- and is about ready to send to the governor for his signature. If you haven't, allow me to give you a little background. If signed into law, women of Virginia will be required to undergo an ultrasound before getting an abortion. Here's the catch -- it's not an abdominal ultrasound. It will be a transvaginal ultrasound.

From Ms.
The Virginia state House of Delegates voted 63 to 36 to pass a bill requiring that women seeking abortions undergo a transvaginal ultrasound, which requires a probe being inserted into the vagina. Delegate Charniele Herring (D-Alexandria) criticized the bill, saying "We're talking about inside a woman's body. This is the first time, if we pass this bill, that we will be dictating a medical procedure to a physician."
Delegate Herring is absolutely correct. Virginia is now dictating a medical procedure to a physician. This is a perfect example of government intruding into personal lives. It's also a lot more than that. This is not small government -- this is intrusive -- and worse.

I'm fairly sure that Rachel Maddow and others have described this procedure called transvaginal ultrasound, but do you know what it looks like? I'm going to show you. **Warning** The following medical image may be unsettling to some.

This is What having a Transvaginal Ultrasound looks like:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/images/image_popup/mcdc7_transvaginal_ultrasound.jpg


Imagine for a moment finding yourself in the difficult position where abortion is part of your circumstances. We can go to the most horrid of situations: a rape victim, incest, or any other of a myriad of possibilities. We could simply say that a women is choosing to terminate a pregnancy -- it doesn't matter why -- and is facing a very big personal, private decision. After a woman makes that decision, here in the Commonwealth of Virginia women will be forced to comply with a Transvaginal Ultrasound. As you can see by the illustration above -- it's invasive. Under most circumstances this procedure is used to diagnose illnesses such as cysts, fibroids, ectopic pregnancy, and infertility. One can safely say that if a woman has made the choice to abort, she is fertile. As such -- one of the reasons listed for a TVU is removed under the proposed Virginia law. I think most people will agree that none of the reasons listed above are really relevant to a woman making such a decision as abortion. There are definitely many reasons why woman DO need this type of ultrasound. However regarding most abortions occurring in the first trimester, this type of ultrasound is simply not generally medically necessary. There is no medical reason for such a sweeping implementation of this procedure. Truth be told: if it was needed, it should be a decision a doctor makes privately with a patient without the state mandating it.

The REAL reason for the law is to place a unnecessary roadblock for a woman making a choice. A legal medical procedure is now being used by government to force women to submit to an unnecessary and intrusive diagnostic procedure. If you are wondering, yes, it really is that bad. From State Del. David Englin (D)
This bill will require many women in Virginia to undergo vaginal penetration with an ultrasound probe against their consent in order to exercise their constitutional right to an abortion, even for nonsurgical, noninvasive, pharmaceutical abortions. This kind of government intrusion shocks the conscience and demonstrates the disturbing lengths Republican legislators will go to prevent women from controlling their own reproductive destiny.
Mr. Englin is among many wonderful state delegates we have in Virginia that DO fight to protect a woman's right to choose her 'reproductive destiny'. Sadly, the bill passed anyway, after the majority in the House cut off any further debate on this important issue. Tarina Keene, Executive Director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia made a statement about this:
"This bill is physically invasive for women as well as an intrusion into the doctor-patient relationship. This is the epitome of government invasion into a woman’s right to privacy. Let’s be clear, politicians have just voted to mandate that a woman undergo a transvaginal ultrasound despite her wishes. Legislators with a dogged determination to practice medicine through the law have circumvented a doctor’s medical advice and denied a woman’s wishes to dictate a highly invasive medical procedure. This bill is undemocratic and demonstrates politics at its worst.”


It's horrific to be quite honest. Another Virginia state Delegate, Del. C. Todd Gilbert (R-Woodstock) said that abortion was a lifestyle convenience. I ask, how is inserting a probe against a woman's will, into her vagina a counter to such a so called lifestyle convenience?

Imagine a victim of rape finding her self pregnant. Imagine for a minute being told that once again -- you are going to be forced to submit AGAIN. Then think about what some members of the Virginia house of delegates think when they talk about abortion: it's a lifestyle convenience. Perhaps they agree with Presidential candidate Rick Santorum who believes that children born of rape are gifts from God:
...And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created -- in the sense of rape -- but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.

As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can't think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.
This is what happens when the GOP takes over. They cry for small government -- so small in fact it can be forced inside of a woman's vagina without her consent.

I ask you -- how is that not rape in and of itself? How is being forced to sit in a doctors office legs spread in stirrups and having a probe inside of you against your will not sexual assault? Virginia, like Texas -- now officially have state sanctioned rape. This is where we are in America when it comes to women's reproductive rights. This should be a private discussion between a woman and her doctor and yet Virginia is now dictating medical diagnostic procedures because to do otherwise would not fit within the standards of Republican so-called morality.

And make no mistake -- this law is all about a narrow view of morality being imposed upon a segment of the population -- in this case women, by an ideological political mentality coming from one particular political party. That ideology doesn't care about privacy. It's not about the fetus as some would like you to believe. It doesn't care about health -- it only cares about controlling women. It cares about humiliating them when they may be at their most vulnerable. It wants to make them feel guilty and submit to this political ideology by forcing the medical profession to impose unnecessary procedures on us. This is the EXACT opposite of small government. It is control. It is punishment for women choosing to make their own reproductive choices.

This is my body, this is my choice. I am nearly beyond words when I try to express how angry I am that any government entity would force me to do something so personal against my will.

As long as people keep electing this version of the Republican party -- this assault will continue. I guarantee it. Not only did Virginia vote for this bill, they approved a PersonHood initiative. Mississippi deemed such an idea as too radical to be put into law. Think about that for a moment. Virginia has the chance to be the first in the nation to grant constitutional rights fertilized eggs. It's stunning the depths to which this majority party will go to control women. Essentially, if passed, a fertilized egg -- a zygote, a cluster of cells would have more rights than a woman in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

Until then, I ask that you call Governor Bob McDonnell's office at 804-786-2211 and ask him to veto this TVU bill. It's time women stopped being used as political fodder.

and

Raine

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Comment by wickedpam on 02/16/2012 15:16:40
Virginia has gone from being "for Lovers" to hating women. I never thought this state would get this crazy right wing. NoVA needs to succeed from the state.

Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 15:24:26
Quote by wickedpam:
Virginia has gone from being "for Lovers" to hating women. I never thought this state would get this crazy right wing. NoVA needs to succeed from the state.
I should have impressed more that it's not just Virginia -- but many state level governments that are being taken over by tea baggers and fringe politicians.

We have some really amazing democrats in office here -- but they have been essentially told to shut up in the state house. I follow Ms. Herring on twitter, and am friends with her on FaceBook --she is amazing.




Comment by wickedpam on 02/16/2012 15:28:43
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Virginia has gone from being "for Lovers" to hating women. I never thought this state would get this crazy right wing. NoVA needs to succeed from the state.
I should have impressed more that it's not just Virginia -- but many state level governments that are being taken over by tea baggers and fringe politicians.

We have some really amazing democrats in office here -- but they have been essentially told to shut up in the state house. I follow Ms. Herring on twitter, and am friends with her on FaceBook --she is amazing.




The state does seem to be where they want to focus and no one expect Wisconsin is paying attention. Heck I had to do a write in for my district against Jackson Miller, no one ran against him! I'm pissed out about that. In fact I'm going to start going to the Manassas/Manassas Park Dem meetings to see what the eff is going on

Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 15:30:59
From Tarina Keene, Executive Director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia:
"This bill is physically invasive for women as well as an intrusion into the doctor-patient relationship. This is the epitome of government invasion into a woman’s right to privacy. Let’s be clear, politicians have just voted to mandate that a woman undergo a transvaginal ultrasound despite her wishes. Legislators with a dogged determination to practice medicine through the law have circumvented a doctor’s medical advice and denied a woman’s wishes to dictate a highly invasive medical procedure. This bill is undemocratic and demonstrates politics at its worst.”




Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 15:45:41
Quote by Raine:
From Tarina Keene, Executive Director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia:
"This bill is physically invasive for women as well as an intrusion into the doctor-patient relationship. This is the epitome of government invasion into a woman’s right to privacy. Let’s be clear, politicians have just voted to mandate that a woman undergo a transvaginal ultrasound despite her wishes. Legislators with a dogged determination to practice medicine through the law have circumvented a doctor’s medical advice and denied a woman’s wishes to dictate a highly invasive medical procedure. This bill is undemocratic and demonstrates politics at its worst.”


I added this to the blog, and incorporated the personhood bill pending in the state house.


Comment by Mondobubba on 02/16/2012 16:03:56
I concede. Viriginia's Republicans are far crazier and more dangerous that Florida's.

As a guy I am appalled by this and apologize for my gender.

Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 16:09:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
I concede. Viriginia's Republicans are far crazier and more dangerous that Florida's.

As a guy I am appalled by this and apologize for my gender.
I wish the appropriate people would feel the need to apologize.

This is insanity.


Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 16:19:37
About the Payroll Tax cut extension

I want to note that the UI benefits going from 99 to 73 weeks will not go into effect until the end of the year. I think that this is a very important distiction to make. Already I am hearing that "Obama" and the Dems caved. I'm not really seeing a cave. I do understand the concerns about the UI benefits being reduced to 73 weeks, but I also think that the economy is improving and that the 99 weeks was always an extension. Republicans wanted it reduced to 59 weeks.

This has a good explanation on UI benefits and the Extended benefits.

It appears that it will be paid for -- and I know the devil is in the details. I am not sure what radio spectrum has to do with this, but Government employees will be required to pay more into their pensions.



Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 16:37:06
Oh and in other things that have me pissed today... Democratic Women Boycott House Contraception Hearing After Republicans Prevent Women From Testifying. Why you ask?
Ranking committee member Elijah Cummings (D-MD) had asked Issa to include a female witness at the hearing, but the Chairman refused, arguing that “As the hearing is not about reproductive rights and contraception but instead about the Administration’s actions as they relate to freedom of religion and conscience, he believes that Ms. Fluke is not an appropriate witness.”


Comment by Scoopster on 02/16/2012 16:45:30
Mornin' all! One more day to go in this hell week..

Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 16:48:32
Where are the women?



Comment by wickedpam on 02/16/2012 17:07:58
Quote by Raine:
Oh and in other things that have me pissed today... Democratic Women Boycott House Contraception Hearing After Republicans Prevent Women From Testifying. Why you ask?
Ranking committee member Elijah Cummings (D-MD) had asked Issa to include a female witness at the hearing, but the Chairman refused, arguing that “As the hearing is not about reproductive rights and contraception but instead about the Administration’s actions as they relate to freedom of religion and conscience, he believes that Ms. Fluke is not an appropriate witness.”



its on Thom's radar too

Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 17:10:50
I am glad that Thom is talking about this Issa issue.

Comment by livingonli on 02/16/2012 17:24:58
Hi everyone. If the teabaggers who were put in power the last two years have their way, this country will be on the road to hell so I just hope enough people get out their to flip back the lower seats since they are still the question mark. Otherwise, we just have to hope that revulsion at whoever is at the top of the GOP ticket drags down to the rest of it.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/16/2012 17:25:52
Issa is in my book an alternate spelling of asshole

Comment by trojanrabbit on 02/16/2012 17:28:22
Quote by Raine:
About the Payroll Tax cut extension

I want to note that the UI benefits going from 99 to 73 weeks will not go into effect until the end of the year. I think that this is a very important distiction to make. Already I am hearing that "Obama" and the Dems caved. I'm not really seeing a cave. I do understand the concerns about the UI benefits being reduced to 73 weeks, but I also think that the economy is improving and that the 99 weeks was always an extension. Republicans wanted it reduced to 59 weeks.

This has a good explanation on UI benefits and the Extended benefits.

It appears that it will be paid for -- and I know the devil is in the details. I am not sure what radio spectrum has to do with this, but Government employees will be required to pay more into their pensions.



Well, just as a wild-assed guess, since at this point the FCC is nothing more than a spectrum auction house and a place where the highest bidder can get their technically inferior broadcast systems approved so the "inventors" get to charge license fees on every receiver (HDTV, "HD" Radio) in addition to being the morals police, there are some radio frequencies that are not well utilized that the FCC will sell to the highest bidder. As an amateur radio operator (though not very active), I'd worry about losing spectrum space.

It's not uncommon for a spectrum auction to bring in a few billion.

I'm going to be on the s*it list of half the people here tomorrow. In order to finish preparing the area for my chamber, the water needs to be turned off in the break room Friday. That means no coffee or clean dishes. I'm dead........



Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 18:44:43
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Raine:
About the Payroll Tax cut extension

I want to note that the UI benefits going from 99 to 73 weeks will not go into effect until the end of the year. I think that this is a very important distiction to make. Already I am hearing that "Obama" and the Dems caved. I'm not really seeing a cave. I do understand the concerns about the UI benefits being reduced to 73 weeks, but I also think that the economy is improving and that the 99 weeks was always an extension. Republicans wanted it reduced to 59 weeks.

This has a good explanation on UI benefits and the Extended benefits.

It appears that it will be paid for -- and I know the devil is in the details. I am not sure what radio spectrum has to do with this, but Government employees will be required to pay more into their pensions.



Well, just as a wild-assed guess, since at this point the FCC is nothing more than a spectrum auction house and a place where the highest bidder can get their technically inferior broadcast systems approved so the "inventors" get to charge license fees on every receiver (HDTV, "HD" Radio) in addition to being the morals police, there are some radio frequencies that are not well utilized that the FCC will sell to the highest bidder. As an amateur radio operator (though not very active), I'd worry about losing spectrum space.

It's not uncommon for a spectrum auction to bring in a few billion.

I'm going to be on the s*it list of half the people here tomorrow. In order to finish preparing the area for my chamber, the water needs to be turned off in the break room Friday. That means no coffee or clean dishes. I'm dead........

Thanks for that explanation Rabbit. It's still a little confusing to me, but that does make a little more sense.

As for tomorrow, I say bring a big box of Dunkin' donuts coffee. that should please people.


Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 18:45:38
Quote by Mondobubba:
Issa is in my book an alternate spelling of asshole

Ass, I = Issa backwards in every shape and form.

Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 19:14:59
I would argue that what Virginia and Texas are doing is unconstitutional.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Then there are the 14th and 15th amendments both of which contain a right to due process of law.

This page explains some of this very well:
In 2003, in Lawrence v Texas, the Supreme Court, overruling an earlier decision, found that Texas violated the liberty clause of two gay men when it enforced against them a state law prohibiting homosexual sodomy. Writing for the Court in Lawrence, Justice Kennedy reaffirmed in broad terms the Constitution's protection for privacy:

"These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life....The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government. 'It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.'”




Roe V Wade established that woman decision to abort was one that should be between her and her doctor.
The Court declined to adopt the district court's Ninth Amendment rationale, and instead asserted that the "right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the district court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy." Douglas in his concurring opinion in the companion case Doe v. Bolton, stated more emphatically that, "The Ninth Amendment obviously does not create federally enforceable rights."

The Court asserted that that the government had two competing interests – protecting the mother's health and protecting the "potentiality of human life". Following its earlier logic, the Court stated that during the first trimester, when the procedure is more safe than childbirth, the decision to abort must be left to the mother and her physician. The State has the right to intervene prior to fetal viability only to protect the health of the mother, and may regulate the procedure after viability so long as there is always an exception for preserving maternal health. The Court additionally added that the primary right being preserved in the Roe decision was that of the physician's right to practice medicine freely absent a compelling state interest – not women's rights in general. The Court explicitly rejected a fetal "right to life" argument.
I maintain that the 9th amendment is relevant NOW because Roe v. Wade was ruled on in 1973. Until then I believe the 9th amendment did not apply.

Now it does.


Comment by BobR on 02/16/2012 19:22:31
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Issa is in my book an alternate spelling of asshole

Ass, I = Issa backwards in every shape and form.



Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 19:41:24
Also -- in more sick twisted Irony. Back in 1994 the FDA warned against unnecessary Ultrasounds.
Ultrasonic fetal scanning, from a medical standpoint, generally is considered safe if properly used when information is needed about a pregnancy. Still, ultrasound is a form of energy, and even at low levels, laboratory studies have shown it can produce physical effects in tissue, such as jarring vibrations and a rise in temperature. Although there is no evidence that these physical effects can harm a fetus, the FDA says the fact that these effects exist means that prenatal ultrasounds can't be considered completely innocuous.

As more advanced ultrasound technologies (usually using higher ultrasound intensities) become available, greater numbers of expectant mothers and their families are requesting fetal keepsake videos and portraits for souvenirs. Sometimes these images may be made by people not well trained, or for longer exposure times and at higher levels than are usually used in medical situations. At the same time, the medical community is discouraging the use of ultrasound unless it is medically necessary.


And then there is this from Australia on 2006:
"If there's a medical reason to have an ultrasound, have it, but if its purely for curiosity, don't," she said.

Old studies showing that ultrasound was safe were no longer relevant because today's equipment had far greater exposure intensity than earlier scans, Ms Pollard said.

"What we do know about intensities at that level is if you were to ultrasound a cyst, you may see acoustic streaming, that is, the fluid in the cyst starts to move around," she said.
"If it can do that to the fluid inside a cyst at relatively short exposure times, what is it doing to a 12-week foetus which is at a stage of development where cell division is happening and the organs are forming? "I have some concerns."

Ultrasound scans used to be performed at about 18 to 20 weeks through the mother's abdomen, she said. But these days it has become routine to have an ultrasound through the vagina at 12 weeks, "so the ultrasound probe is right up against the cervix, right next to the foetus.



Comment by Mondobubba on 02/16/2012 20:16:21
I'm back out from under then rock salt mountain that is the middle of the day. I've been moved to a new cubicle. No big deal, really. I might not need to wear sweaters come summertime.

Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 20:31:29
Colbert Shows production has been suspended for 2 days.

I hope this isn't why

Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 20:37:42
All reports are that he has an unexpected family emergency. I hope everything is ok.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 02/16/2012 20:44:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Raine:
About the Payroll Tax cut extension

I want to note that the UI benefits going from 99 to 73 weeks will not go into effect until the end of the year. I think that this is a very important distiction to make. Already I am hearing that "Obama" and the Dems caved. I'm not really seeing a cave. I do understand the concerns about the UI benefits being reduced to 73 weeks, but I also think that the economy is improving and that the 99 weeks was always an extension. Republicans wanted it reduced to 59 weeks.

This has a good explanation on UI benefits and the Extended benefits.

It appears that it will be paid for -- and I know the devil is in the details. I am not sure what radio spectrum has to do with this, but Government employees will be required to pay more into their pensions.



Well, just as a wild-assed guess, since at this point the FCC is nothing more than a spectrum auction house and a place where the highest bidder can get their technically inferior broadcast systems approved so the "inventors" get to charge license fees on every receiver (HDTV, "HD" Radio) in addition to being the morals police, there are some radio frequencies that are not well utilized that the FCC will sell to the highest bidder. As an amateur radio operator (though not very active), I'd worry about losing spectrum space.

It's not uncommon for a spectrum auction to bring in a few billion.

I'm going to be on the s*it list of half the people here tomorrow. In order to finish preparing the area for my chamber, the water needs to be turned off in the break room Friday. That means no coffee or clean dishes. I'm dead........

Thanks for that explanation Rabbit. It's still a little confusing to me, but that does make a little more sense.

As for tomorrow, I say bring a big box of Dunkin' donuts coffee. that should please people.

This describes the "free-for-all" that is a spectrum auction.

There's talk of taking more TV channels away to sell another chunk of spectrum. When TV went digital, supposedly all channels from 2-6 were to be vacated then sold off. Idiots didn't realize that no one wants those frequencies because they are useless for mobile use. Remember the antennas on the old CB walkie-talkies? That's what you need to transmit effectively. You wanna carry around something like that? What they SHOULD have done (I know I'm repeating myself) is to open those frequencies up for AM broadcasters to move to the frequencies given up by TV.

In a Japan the FM band goes from 76 to 90 MHz, not 88 to 108 MHz as here, but all Chinacom would have to do is tweak the microprocessor, change a few parts and voila......you can fit 30 full stereo FM radio stations in the space taken by 1 TV channel. For "AM" quality, you could fit hundreds in that space.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/16/2012 20:44:26
Quote by Raine:
All reports are that he has an unexpected family emergency. I hope everything is ok.



My best thoughts go out the clan Colbert.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/16/2012 20:46:52
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
All reports are that he has an unexpected family emergency. I hope everything is ok.



My best thoughts go out the clan Colbert.



As always positive vibes, prayers and thoughts ~~~

Comment by livingonli on 02/16/2012 20:48:37
Listening to the Rush clip on Randi. Rush, just shut the fuck up.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/16/2012 20:56:40
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
All reports are that he has an unexpected family emergency. I hope everything is ok.



My best thoughts go out the clan Colbert.



As always positive vibes, prayers and thoughts ~~~


Ya never want to go with the negative waves, Moriority.

(Name the movie and character I parapharased for the blog bonus point)

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/16/2012 20:58:37
Because I am; One, a child and two, a huge Archer fan, I mentally added "Balls" to Benoit when I was speaking with the gentlman with this name

Comment by trojanrabbit on 02/16/2012 21:01:06
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
All reports are that he has an unexpected family emergency. I hope everything is ok.



My best thoughts go out the clan Colbert.



As always positive vibes, prayers and thoughts ~~~


Ya never want to go with the negative waves, Moriority.

(Name the movie and character I parapharased for the blog bonus point)


Grrrr....I know it's Kelly's Heroes, but I'm not gonna cheat for the character name. I know it's Donald Sutherland's character.

Comment by Raine on 02/16/2012 21:09:11
Quote by livingonli:
Listening to the Rush clip on Randi. Rush, just shut the fuck up.
Repulsive.

I am REALLY happy that Randi is REALLY talking about this stuff.


Comment by trojanrabbit on 02/16/2012 21:15:43
I'm in the wrong business....

Someone's making money by thinking people will buy more of something if it is priced 4/$3 rather than saying it's 75 cents. It's not like it's a sale price, that's the normal price.

Doesn't help me because my cats go through 3 cans of food a day, not 4.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/16/2012 21:50:26
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
All reports are that he has an unexpected family emergency. I hope everything is ok.



My best thoughts go out the clan Colbert.



As always positive vibes, prayers and thoughts ~~~


Ya never want to go with the negative waves, Moriority.

(Name the movie and character I parapharased for the blog bonus point)


Grrrr....I know it's Kelly's Heroes, but I'm not gonna cheat for the character name. I know it's Donald Sutherland's character.



WE HAVE A WINNER! (Character name is Oddball)