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Libertarian Saturday
Author: TriSec    Date: 03/08/2008 13:19:13

Good Morning!

We've had some new members join us this week...so why don't you come and join us on the weekends, too? We're like Dave's Lounge; We're always open!

We've got a new Liberator Online this week, so let's see if there's anything interesting going on...


Since a fair number of our members are heading to Washington, DC in a few weeks, maybe you should all have a make-over before you get there. After all, Big Brother is Watching You.
According to the Washington Post: "D.C. police are now watching live images from dozens of surveillance cameras posted in high-crime parts of the city, hoping to respond faster to shootings, robberies and other offenses and catch suspects before they get away.

"Since August 2006, the city has installed 73 cameras across the city, mostly on utility poles, at a cost of about $4 million. But until recently, officers were using them mainly as an investigative tool -- checking the recordings after crimes were committed in hopes of turning up leads and evidence."

Now, however, under a new policy, police watch live feeds from a dozen or so cameras. And they want to greatly expand that.

Live police surveillance of citizens via camera is already standard policy in U.S. cities including Baltimore, Chicago, New York and Philadelphia.

U.S. cities are following the model of London, where 500,000 surveillance cameras allow government agents of Big Brother to peer at citizens around the clock. The average Londoner is caught on camera several hundred times a day.

Many U.S. politicians and enforcers are eager to follow London's example. New York mayor Michael Bloomberg toured London last year and virtually salivated at the widespread surveillance there. He dismissed critics of government surveillance as "ridiculous," and, observing that London has a camera in every bus and subway car, declared, "We are way behind and we really do have to catch up."

Similarly, D.C Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier told the Washington Post: "I'd love to have the whole city wired like London."

According to the Washington Post: "The District's cameras have quite a range ... Officers can rotate angles for different views. They can zoom in on faces of potential suspects and pick up license plate numbers from cars several blocks away."

Around-the-clock government surveillance of streets and public spaces fits in nicely with other developing government trends, like the REAL ID national ID scheme (discussed last issue), the continuing erosion of Fourth Amendment protections, plans for the creation of massive government databases on U.S. citizens, and reports of new levels of federal electronic eavesdropping.

Does anybody see a trend here?




Speaking of trends...the next time you're in a public park, or at a sporting event, or at a community fair....check out the police. Are they ready for war, or what:?
Last night I took my oldest to the Strawberry Festival in Plant City, Fl. It’s your standard carnival - rides, $8 hot dogs, and loads of extremely overweight & slovenly people eating deep fried funnel cakes.

And police. Lots of police. In bullet proof vests and riot gear.

Now, most of the police walking around were your basic white shirt Sheriffs. Of course, their utility belts would make Batman jealous, but I can understand cops being around. Of course, the reason people behave better around a cop is because he or she is armed. The same principle applies to us normal citizens, but that’s a different gripe altogether.

What bothered me was that as the Mrs. and I were leaving, a squad of officers practically dressed in riot gear were gathering. They didn’t have helmets or shields, but they donned thick boots, BPV’s, batons, etc. They were all just sitting around shooting the breeze, so I don’t think there was any immediate reason for them to be there.

Is this what we require now from our basic police force? Near military level gear just to keep the peace? We’ve given our basic police force automatic weapons, permanent SWAT teams, military style training, and have continually allowed the police to violate our basic rights all in the name of perceived security (we’re no safer today than we were 50 years ago).

My old man is a cop. I respect the job and understand that cops will do what they’re allowed to do just like any human will take advantage of their situation. The problem is that we’re slowly (and that’s arguable) devolving into a police state where those who are hired to protect and serve are instead becoming soldiers where the people themselves are the enemy to be conquered.

Part of the reasoning for the Second Amendment is dead. There is no external army that is going to step in and take over the U.S. ala Red Dawn where the average citizen being armed is going to help. But the ever increasing threat of a tyranny is valid and it starts with the local constabulary.

I believe in providing our peace officers with the training and equipment they need. Unfortunately, a lot of people believe that if the bad guys have AK-47 clones then that means the cops have to have something more powerful, and this isn’t the case. If someone pulls a Desert Eagle .50AE on me, my 10mm isn’t going to not work because of the disparity. The same goes for our police. Give them the right tools, but nothing more.

What I fear the most though right now isn’t the police I saw in riot gear, it was the hundreds of domesticated sheep [people] walking by them that didn’t see anything wrong at all. When you become used to the police walking around like military, you forget that it’s a bad thing.



Moving on...have you ever tried to have a civil conversation with a Republican? Does it really piss you off when they stick their fingers in their ears and start going "BLah, Blah, Blah, I Can't Hear You!"? Well....leave it to the Libertarian Party, they've come up with a term for it. "Liberty Anorexics".

In 2000, I traveled with Harry Browne during his Libertarian Party presidential campaign. One time, I saw something that hooked my curiosity. After one of Harry Browne's speeches, an audience member criticized Harry for his position on the War on Drugs.

Harry Browne made a brief, strong, and impassioned case for repealing all drug laws and ending the Drug War. The challenger was unfazed. He responded, "I don't care what you say. You can't make me change my mind. I hate drugs. I want to keep them illegal. I want to punish people who sell them, buy them, and use them."

What's going on here? I thought. I considered several possibilities, but nothing really clicked. So I filed it away.

I recently watched a TV broadcast of a free market economist giving a speech and then answering questions from members of the audience. One of the questioners vigorously argued for raising minimum wages.

The free market economist quickly offered statistics, evidence, and argument in favor of repealing minimum wage laws. He ended his remarks by saying, "Minimum wage laws increase minority unemployment. They make things worse for the very people you're trying to help."

"I don't care what your facts and figures and research show," said the questioner. "Anyone can prove anything. Raising the minimum wage sends a message. I want higher minimum wages."

I flashed on my earlier experience with Harry Browne -- and realized what was going on.

Liberty anorexia.

Anorexia is a condition where a person has little or no appetite -- and an aversion to food. If some human beings can have a condition that causes them to not want food, to be revulsed and repelled by food, and to avoid eating -- then mightn't it be possible that there are people who do not want freedom, who are revulsed and repelled by it, and who avoid and reject freedom?

Liberty anorexics.

What if there are people who do not want liberty? What if they don't want freedom -- even if it makes almost everyone much better off? What if -- no matter what benefits liberty creates -- they still do not want it, are repelled by it, and avoid it?

If you're like me, your first reaction to the idea of liberty anorexia is to reject it. To think it impossible. But is it any more impossible than food anorexia?

Maybe your second reaction will be to think: "They ought to want liberty." Or: "They ought to be receptive and responsive to evidence and argument and reason." Or: "They ought to be teachable or persuadable about freedom."

Please remember: "Ought to be" ain't "is." Things are what they are. Water's wet. Wind blows. Gravity doesn't play favorites. Maybe you've been in a few conversations with liberty anorexics. Maybe you did *not* fail to convince them. Maybe they were impervious to persuasion.

Depending on how tightly you define food anorexia, it afflicts somewhere between 1 in 30 1 and 1 in 1,000 people. I suspect that liberty anorexia afflicts and affects a larger percentage of the population. Often, we can identify liberty anorexics by using "The Magic 'If'" technique that I teach in my book Secrets of Libertarian Persuasion.

A few examples.

"If you looked at the evidence on the Drug War, and concluded that it didn't work and made things worse, would that change your mind on ending drug prohibition?"

"What if you carefully examined the facts and figures on the War on Drugs, and you personally saw that it was a dismal failure -- if that happened, would you consider ending it?"

Or:

"If you looked over the strongest arguments and evidence for minimum wage laws, and you saw -- with your own eyes -- that it destroyed jobs for minorities, and increased minority unemployment, would that change you mind about minimum wage laws?"

"You tell me that all your friends support minimum wage laws. I accept that. But if they were mistaken, if they were in error, if minimum wage laws made things worse for low income Americans, would you want to know? If there were evidence available, would you be willing to read it with an open mind?"

If they answer "Yes," then get them the information they need. If they answer "Maybe," ask them what else they need to know to turn their maybe into a "Yes."

But if they answer "No," they may well be liberty anorexics. If they answer "No," move on to another topic or another person.

Please don't try to feed the liberty anorexics.




Lastly this morning, we'll finish up with our long-running feature, "Why aren't YOU a Libertarian", featuring the wit and wisdom of Dr. Mary Ruwart

QUESTION: How do libertarians feel about the sale of kidneys and other organs for transplants?

MY SHORT ANSWER: Libertarians believe that everyone owns their own body and therefore people should be free to gift, sell, or keep their organs as they choose. When a person dies, his or her heirs would be able to do the same, unless the deceased left instructions to the contrary.

Many people initially find the idea of the sale of organs abhorrent. But thousands of people die each year awaiting transplant. The U.S. organ donor waiting list is approaching a record 100,000. An average of seven Americans die every day waiting for organs. The total suffering is unimaginable.

Yet studies suggest that a payment of just several hundred dollars would increase the supply of cadaver organs enough to give virtually everyone a good match.

We pay the doctors who perform the transplant very well, yet the most critical part is supplied by someone who -- by federal law -- receives nothing in return. Why shouldn't the person who gives the gift of life be allowed to receive some compensation?

(LEARN MORE: "The Right to Sell Organs" by Sigrid Fry-Revere:
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8755)

* * *

QUESTION: Libertarians believe that all transactions should be voluntary. So doesn't the act of giving birth to a child violate this basic libertarian view? In other words, since libertarians strongly oppose forcing an action onto another, shouldn't they oppose giving "nonconsensual" births -- that is, all births?

MY SHORT ANSWER: Libertarians are opposed to the initiation, or threat of initiation, of physical force (e.g., assault, theft, fraud). Creating life and giving birth doesn't fall into these categories, so it wouldn't be considered a violation of libertarian principles.

Obviously, we have no way of determining if a person wants to be born. If an adult decides that he or she doesn't want to continue to live, however, libertarians won't initiate force to make such people go on living, although they might try hard to help those who are suicidal improve their lives rather than end them. Suicide wouldn't be against the law in a libertarian society as it often is today.



So....maybe a bit long today, but I only get one day a week to do this...gotta make the most of it! :peace:


 

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Comment by BobR on 03/08/2008 14:13:16
The problem is that we’re slowly (and that’s arguable) devolving into a police state where those who are hired to protect and serve are instead becoming soldiers where the people themselves are the enemy to be conquered.




Amen! :clap:

Comment by velveeta jones on 03/08/2008 14:31:16
Great Saturday blog TriSec.



Other news: Torture Good, no torture bad.

Sez our pResident Chimpy.



Torture needed to keep us ............ safe.............??

Comment by livingonli on 03/08/2008 16:13:41
I'm sure there are a lot of nice dictators who agree with our beloved Chimpy.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/08/2008 16:22:46
Quote by BobR:

The problem is that we’re slowly (and that’s arguable) devolving into a police state where those who are hired to protect and serve are instead becoming soldiers where the people themselves are the enemy to be conquered.




Amen! :clap:




Oh hell, the LAPD have been like that for about 60 years now. They call it "proactive policing." The big difference now is that

white people are being targeted along with people of color.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/08/2008 16:48:17
"What bothered me was that as the Mrs. and I were leaving, a squad of officers practically dressed in riot gear were gathering. They didn’t have helmets or shields, but they donned thick boots, BPV’s, batons, etc. They were all just sitting around shooting the breeze, so I don’t think there was any immediate reason for them to be there."



Ya know this is a very ill-informed comment. I don't know about you guys, but every cop I've seen in the past 15-20 years dresses this way for duty. Vests and batons are pretty much standard issue for every police department I've had interaction with (MoCo, Fairfax county, Washington, Arlington county, the JSO).

Comment by BobR on 03/08/2008 17:05:51
Quote by Mondobubba:

"What bothered me was that as the Mrs. and I were leaving, a squad of officers practically dressed in riot gear were gathering. They didn’t have helmets or shields, but they donned thick boots, BPV’s, batons, etc. They were all just sitting around shooting the breeze, so I don’t think there was any immediate reason for them to be there."



Ya know this is a very ill-informed comment. I don't know about you guys, but every cop I've seen in the past 15-20 years dresses this way for duty. Vests and batons are pretty much standard issue for every police department I've had interaction with (MoCo, Fairfax county, Washington, Arlington county, the JSO).


I've seen cops in both the "standard blues" as well as the SWAT-looking gear. I don't really get why they have both and what drives the decision to wear one or the other.





Comment by BobR on 03/08/2008 17:08:46
Quote by Mondobubba:

Oh hell, the LAPD have been like that for about 60 years now. They call it "proactive policing." The big difference now is that white people are being targeted along with people of color.


This is probably true. I would say, though, that being pulled over for "Driving While Black" reflects on the individual cops, while the SWAT/Everyone's-a-Terrorist approach seems more top-down driven...

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/08/2008 18:30:23
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Oh hell, the LAPD have been like that for about 60 years now. They call it "proactive policing." The big difference now is that white people are being targeted along with people of color.


This is probably true. I would say, though, that being pulled over for "Driving While Black" reflects on the individual cops, while the SWAT/Everyone's-a-Terrorist approach seems more top-down driven...






Ohh no no no no no Bobber. I recommend a book called "To Serve and Protect" it is about the ELAYPEEDEE. The approach of the LAPD is very top down and has been for decades. Hell they invented driving while black. It is an institution choice which is very top down. Bill Parker and his successors have been exporting the idea of police department as occupying army all over the county since the 1950s.

Comment by velveeta jones on 03/08/2008 20:00:31
A POLL!!



Velveeta will attempt the Sunday blog sometime between her work day and sleep. Midnight to 8:00am. What subject would ya'll like to read about during your morning coffee and biscuits?



A. The demise of civilization

B. Our current recession, or "slowdown" as Chimpy calls it.

C. War, war and more war

D. Something light with a touch of humor (a la Sunday Paper).

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/08/2008 20:05:07
Quote by velveeta jones:

A POLL!!



Velveeta will attempt the Sunday blog sometime between her work day and sleep. Midnight to 8:00am. What subject would ya'll like to read about during your morning coffee and biscuits?



A. The demise of civilization

B. Our current recession, or "slowdown" as Chimpy calls it.

C. War, war and more war

D. Something light with a touch of humor (a la Sunday Paper).




Something witty about the demise of civilisation!

Comment by livingonli on 03/08/2008 20:22:05
It's almost 60 degrees but it is pouring like anything here this afternoon. Cleveland is shut down because of the snow.

Comment by livingonli on 03/08/2008 20:32:15
How about a review of Chimpy's dancing abilities and whether he would ever make Dancing With The Stars.

Comment by Shane-O on 03/08/2008 20:34:48
Quote by velveeta jones:

Great Saturday blog TriSec.



Other news: Torture Good, no torture bad.

Sez our pResident Chimpy.



Torture needed to keep us ............ safe.............??




Great blog TriSec - lotta stuff to digest. On the veto, Velveeta, I did a little bloggie here: Bush: Waterboarding Is A "Lawful Technique"

Comment by livingonli on 03/08/2008 22:01:36
Time to go shuffle off to the salt mine.

Comment by Raine on 03/08/2008 22:38:42
ISn't It Ironic, donch think?


Comment by TriSec on 03/08/2008 23:02:09
I'm with Mondo: the demise of civilization makes for an entertaining Sunday in my book!





Comment by TriSec on 03/08/2008 23:08:49
Countries Using Torture:



According to Human Rights Watch (www.hrw.org ), the use of torture was documented in the following countries in 2004 and 2005: China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Malaysia, Morocco, Nepal, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Syria, Turkey, Uganda, and Uzbekistan.





And the United States. I'm so proud.





Comment by Mondobubba on 03/08/2008 23:11:58
Quote by TriSec:

I'm with Mondo: the demise of civilization makes for an entertaining Sunday in my book!









Totally! The decline of Western Civilization is always good for a laugh

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/09/2008 02:18:01
:metal: That productivity software issue is solved. Open Office. :metal: