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Driven to Distraction
Author: BobR
Date: 03/12/2008 12:11:56
I was reminded last night about the art of distraction by a boorish drunk at the bar. He performed a simple trick that confounded my companion. It was simple enough - he merely had to distract from what his right hand was doing for a brief second while he focused our attention on something less important. Since I was an observer and not the participant, I noticed it right away. In the world of magic, it's a vital skill.
If there's one thing we've learned about this administration, it's that they seem to use this trick all of the time. Whenever there's a terror alert, whenever there's a scandal, it seems certain that there's something else going on that they want kept out of the news cycle. Could this be the motivation for the timing this time? Lori Price over at CLG thinks so. Some of the items she mentions we've seen here at this blog.
Perhaps the biggest news not covered: The House failed to override the Bush veto on torture. Yes, they were 51 votes short. So whatever you do, don't get picked up by the CIA because Bush has ensured that they are allowed to torture you.
Some other great news: The NSA has essentially ressurected the TIA program. Remember Total Information Awareness with the 1984-ish all-seeing eye?
There's more there. A lot. Go read it. Now.
Along these same lines, The UK top cop who led probe into CIA rendering found dead:
Natural causes? Not likely.
Torture, spying on civilians, mysterious deaths of corruption investigators... It sounds like we're part of a repressive regime, not a beacon of freedom. Perhaps that's why the U.S. dropped China from its list of human rights abusers. I'm sure the fact that they own our asses has nothing to do with it. :rolleyes2:
Meanwhile, the U.S. continues to be a hypocrit in other areas as well, including the nuclear arms race. As we step on other countries and insist they not develop nuclear weapons, do we stop development? Of course not:
I suppose I could go on, but I've made the point pretty clearly. At its most innocent, this is yet another "missing white woman" story that inadvertently distracts the media from more important stories. However, given this Administration's propensity for using the Justice Dept. towards its own goals, the timing of this IS suspicious. You have to wonder how long they've been sitting on this and why they chose this particular time to nail Spitzer. What other stories are out there hiding like vampires from the light of day?
Have the master prestidigitators in DC done it again? Only time will tell.
If there's one thing we've learned about this administration, it's that they seem to use this trick all of the time. Whenever there's a terror alert, whenever there's a scandal, it seems certain that there's something else going on that they want kept out of the news cycle. Could this be the motivation for the timing this time? Lori Price over at CLG thinks so. Some of the items she mentions we've seen here at this blog.
Perhaps the biggest news not covered: The House failed to override the Bush veto on torture. Yes, they were 51 votes short. So whatever you do, don't get picked up by the CIA because Bush has ensured that they are allowed to torture you.
Some other great news: The NSA has essentially ressurected the TIA program. Remember Total Information Awareness with the 1984-ish all-seeing eye?
Five years ago, Congress killed an experimental Pentagon antiterrorism program meant to vacuum up electronic data about people in the U.S. to search for suspicious patterns. Opponents called it too broad an intrusion on Americans' privacy, even after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
But the data-sifting effort didn't disappear. The National Security Agency, once confined to foreign surveillance, has been building essentially the same system.
The central role the NSA has come to occupy in domestic intelligence gathering has never been publicly disclosed. But an inquiry reveals that its efforts have evolved to reach more broadly into data about people's communications, travel and finances in the U.S. than the domestic surveillance programs brought to light since the 2001 terrorist attacks.
Along these same lines, The UK top cop who led probe into CIA rendering found dead:
A city police chief who led an investigation into charges that Britain cooperated with secret CIA flights to transport terrorism suspects without formal proceedings has been found dead, his deputy said Tuesday.
Manchester Chief Constable Michael Todd, 50, was found dead in Snowdonia, about 240 miles northwest of London, Deputy Chief Constable Dave Whatton said. He had been missing since going out for a walk Monday during his day off.
Whatton said the body, which was found Tuesday afternoon, had not yet been formally identified but he believed it was Todd.
He said a coroner's inquest would investigate the cause of death and did not give any further details.
Natural causes? Not likely.
Torture, spying on civilians, mysterious deaths of corruption investigators... It sounds like we're part of a repressive regime, not a beacon of freedom. Perhaps that's why the U.S. dropped China from its list of human rights abusers. I'm sure the fact that they own our asses has nothing to do with it. :rolleyes2:
Meanwhile, the U.S. continues to be a hypocrit in other areas as well, including the nuclear arms race. As we step on other countries and insist they not develop nuclear weapons, do we stop development? Of course not:
Not only do we retain several thousand warheads, we've modernized our nuclear arsenal with modulated, dialed-down "tactical" nukes. Why, they're almost like conventional bombs. Look ma, no nuclear stigma!
Apparently the nuclear taboo has been shattered as well. The nuclear posture review drawn up by the administration in 2001 provides for first use of nukes (albeit the new tacticals) -- hitherto unthinkable -- in awkward tasks like bunker busting.
Then there's our NATO strategy: Eastward ho! Stopping just long enough in the Czech Republic and Poland to set up missile defense installations. Equally frightening, five of the west's distinguished (until now, anyway) military officers and strategists composed a manifesto calling on NATO to reserve the right to use nukes preemptively.
I suppose I could go on, but I've made the point pretty clearly. At its most innocent, this is yet another "missing white woman" story that inadvertently distracts the media from more important stories. However, given this Administration's propensity for using the Justice Dept. towards its own goals, the timing of this IS suspicious. You have to wonder how long they've been sitting on this and why they chose this particular time to nail Spitzer. What other stories are out there hiding like vampires from the light of day?
Have the master prestidigitators in DC done it again? Only time will tell.
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Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 12:48:08
Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 12:48:08
FIRST!!!
Good morning, bloggers!!
We should expect more programs from the Bush administration in its last months to try to give whoever comes in more of a mess to clean up or, in the case of John McCain, more tools to use to further Bush's agenda.
Good morning, bloggers!!
We should expect more programs from the Bush administration in its last months to try to give whoever comes in more of a mess to clean up or, in the case of John McCain, more tools to use to further Bush's agenda.
Comment by 
clintster on 03/12/2008 13:03:30
clintster on 03/12/2008 13:03:30
Raine and BobR, I have to beg off the meet-up today in Decatur. I'm up against some hard deadlines and I won't be able to get away for lunch. Sorry!
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 13:08:55
jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 13:08:55
A fill-in! I guess they just couldn't resist commenting on the recent "happenings"
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 13:16:07
Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 13:16:07
Who is filling in? I thought it was a repeat, so I ended up tuning in Jay Marvin on Denver's station.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 13:18:13
jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 13:18:13
Um... I don't remember their names. But they've been on Best Week Ever?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 13:20:20
Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 13:20:20
The guest ion Jay Marvin is Lawrence Corb of the Center for American Progress.
Jeff Farias of KPHX 1480 Phoenix will have Scott Ritter as a guest on his show during the second hour. (The show is on at 6 PM Eastern.)
Jeff Farias of KPHX 1480 Phoenix will have Scott Ritter as a guest on his show during the second hour. (The show is on at 6 PM Eastern.)
Comment by 
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 13:20:36
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 13:20:36
BobR - I had no idea the House failed to override. Thanks for posting about it. That's really important stuff that, you are correct, got NO coverage yesterday.
I went through the bill text over the weekend and surmised that the issue was not simply to preserve new waterboarding - but to protect his ass regarding old waterboarding. There is a section (326) that had a lot of reporting requirements.
I put the info in a little post here: Bush: Waterboarding Is A Lawful Technique.
I went through the bill text over the weekend and surmised that the issue was not simply to preserve new waterboarding - but to protect his ass regarding old waterboarding. There is a section (326) that had a lot of reporting requirements.
I put the info in a little post here: Bush: Waterboarding Is A Lawful Technique.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 03/12/2008 13:26:22
m-hadley on 03/12/2008 13:26:22
Good Mornin' Everybody :)
I am back at work after being off for more than a week - hope I can get through the day with any overwrought show of emotions. I did post a rather rambling disjointed piece on my blog yesterday - for anybody who's interested. Again, I just want to thank everyone here at 4Fs for the support and good cheer that you all sent my way over the last week or so. You all are truly the best and I am looking forward to hooking up with you all in DC in just a little over a month from now
cheers,
mfaye
I am back at work after being off for more than a week - hope I can get through the day with any overwrought show of emotions. I did post a rather rambling disjointed piece on my blog yesterday - for anybody who's interested. Again, I just want to thank everyone here at 4Fs for the support and good cheer that you all sent my way over the last week or so. You all are truly the best and I am looking forward to hooking up with you all in DC in just a little over a month from now
cheers,
mfaye
Comment by 
Raine on 03/12/2008 13:28:38
Raine on 03/12/2008 13:28:38
Good morning!
Heya Clinster. OK, we can reschedule for another time I hope! Frangela.... hmmm... I am very happy that we have someone filling in instead of best-ofs.
Scary Blog there Bobber.
Heya Clinster. OK, we can reschedule for another time I hope! Frangela.... hmmm... I am very happy that we have someone filling in instead of best-ofs.
Scary Blog there Bobber.
Comment by 
BobR on 03/12/2008 13:29:34
Good to see you back!
btw - ShelaghC is looking to share a room (see our DC meetup post), so if you're interested in saving money, you should contact her...
BobR on 03/12/2008 13:29:34
Quote by m-hadley:
Good Mornin' Everybody :)
I am back at work after being off for more than a week - hope I can get through the day with any overwrought show of emotions. I did post a rather rambling disjointed piece on my blog yesterday - for anybody who's interested. Again, I just want to thank everyone here at 4Fs for the support and good cheer that you all sent my way over the last week or so. You all are truly the best and I am looking forward to hooking up with you all in DC in just a little over a month from now
cheers,
mfaye
Good to see you back!
btw - ShelaghC is looking to share a room (see our DC meetup post), so if you're interested in saving money, you should contact her...
Comment by m-hadley on 03/12/2008 13:32:48
m-hadley on 03/12/2008 13:32:48
Oh, and welcome Shane-O. I love your sound work. This is Faye, the radical militant librarian from Tulsa, OK 
Comment by ProducerChris on 03/12/2008 13:34:04
Hey Everyone! ProducerChris 
checking in from my post in Our Nation's Capital (well, I'll be there later on today.... in glorious Hampton Roads, VA as we speak). We decided that there was SO much news going on this week that we asked Frangela to fill in for us the rest of the week. They host a weekend show on our Los Angeles affiliate KTLK, and you might also know them from VH-1's "Best Week Ever" and those "I Love The Decades" shows. Hope you like them!
ProducerChris :clown:
checking in from my post in Our Nation's Capital (well, I'll be there later on today.... in glorious Hampton Roads, VA as we speak). We decided that there was SO much news going on this week that we asked Frangela to fill in for us the rest of the week. They host a weekend show on our Los Angeles affiliate KTLK, and you might also know them from VH-1's "Best Week Ever" and those "I Love The Decades" shows. Hope you like them!ProducerChris :clown:
Comment by 
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 13:34:23
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 13:34:23
Hey can't stay but wanted to say hello
Comment by 
starling310 on 03/12/2008 13:36:10
starling310 on 03/12/2008 13:36:10
Morning.
Faye....glad to see you back! Good job you.
Regarding Spitzer, I haven't been paying too much because, quite frankly, I don't really care. But, he did admit it, correct? I don't know, we can search for excuses and reasons to "say it ain't so" but, it seems he isn't cut of the cloth that he said he was. period. Maybe we need to accept it, the way we accepted Larry Craig having a wide stance, etc. Being a democratic governor doesn't automatically make him a "good guy." Just sayin. . . probably won't be a popular opinion, but that's it anyway.
In my opinion prostitution should be legal anyway, but that's another matter.
Faye....glad to see you back! Good job you.
Regarding Spitzer, I haven't been paying too much because, quite frankly, I don't really care. But, he did admit it, correct? I don't know, we can search for excuses and reasons to "say it ain't so" but, it seems he isn't cut of the cloth that he said he was. period. Maybe we need to accept it, the way we accepted Larry Craig having a wide stance, etc. Being a democratic governor doesn't automatically make him a "good guy." Just sayin. . . probably won't be a popular opinion, but that's it anyway.
In my opinion prostitution should be legal anyway, but that's another matter.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 13:38:19
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 13:38:19
Hey Faye - thanks - and I read your blog regularly - I didn't know about it until Jim put the link up at SMFHC.com - but for the last month, I've been watching... 
I like it a lo... ::in Gump voice::
I like it a lo... ::in Gump voice::
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 13:41:08
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 13:41:08
I also wanted to toss out a question about this TIA thing.
You know where I stand ont the whole thing. But there may be a little misunderstanding as to the whole reason why.
My question is this. "We know that there is very little reason to do such a grand and gross attack on out privacy for secutiry concerns. So why do it?"
I have an answer that is far darker when you think about it than it would first seem.
Are they doing this for "Marketing Reasons?" Weather or not they are doing it to market the technology to do it or they are doing it to better twist our minds to sell us soap, or even the "Brand of Conservativeism" I think it's not about keeping us safe as keeping them selves rich.
What do you all think?
You know where I stand ont the whole thing. But there may be a little misunderstanding as to the whole reason why.
My question is this. "We know that there is very little reason to do such a grand and gross attack on out privacy for secutiry concerns. So why do it?"
I have an answer that is far darker when you think about it than it would first seem.
Are they doing this for "Marketing Reasons?" Weather or not they are doing it to market the technology to do it or they are doing it to better twist our minds to sell us soap, or even the "Brand of Conservativeism" I think it's not about keeping us safe as keeping them selves rich.
What do you all think?
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 13:43:49
BobR on 03/12/2008 13:43:49
btw - to our newest members: You too are invited to the FourFreedomsBlog DC Meetup, if you feel so inclined as to attend...
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 13:43:51
Raine on 03/12/2008 13:43:51
Ehay Grump and faye! GRUMP! Did you leave yet?WE got this for you!!
AND heya How are you doing?!?! Thanks for the fill ins today.
AND heya
How are you doing?!?! Thanks for the fill ins today.
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 13:48:06
I believe it's being done to retain power (and power<=>money). I think the marketing aspect was there long before the TIA program. They've had the marketing down for a while now.
BobR on 03/12/2008 13:48:06
Quote by Grumpymann:
I also wanted to toss out a question about this TIA thing.
You know where I stand ont the whole thing. But there may be a little misunderstanding as to the whole reason why.
My question is this. "We know that there is very little reason to do such a grand and gross attack on out privacy for secutiry concerns. So why do it?"
I have an answer that is far darker when you think about it than it would first seem.
Are they doing this for "Marketing Reasons?" Weather or not they are doing it to market the technology to do it or they are doing it to better twist our minds to sell us soap, or even the "Brand of Conservativeism" I think it's not about keeping us safe as keeping them selves rich.
What do you all think?
I believe it's being done to retain power (and power<=>money). I think the marketing aspect was there long before the TIA program. They've had the marketing down for a while now.
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 13:49:38
Have I told you how much I LOVE that??????
CowBell!
I LOVE that!
I got a repreve for a while!
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 13:49:38
Quote by Raine:
Ehay Grump and faye! GRUMP! Did you leave yet?WE got this for you!!
AND heya
Have I told you how much I LOVE that??????
CowBell!
I LOVE that!
I got a repreve for a while!
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 13:50:19
starling310 on 03/12/2008 13:50:19
"He old y'all. . . " :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 13:52:08
Raine on 03/12/2008 13:52:08
We should btw, be getting some new audicons up today!
I think we may have to put them into categories!
I think we may have to put them into categories!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 13:53:51
Thanks for letting us know, Chris!! Enjoy the rest and relaxation.
Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 13:53:51
Quote by producerchris1:
Hey Everyone! ProducerChris
ProducerChris :clown:
Thanks for letting us know, Chris!! Enjoy the rest and relaxation.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 13:54:54
Raine on 03/12/2008 13:54:54
I kinda like these ladies! I must admit I have not seen the VH-1 Machine lately...
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/12/2008 13:54:57
livingonli on 03/12/2008 13:54:57
Good morning everyone. 
I'm listening to Democracy Now! right now but after this I will have to go check out the fill-ins. Thanks for the heads up Chris since I would have still thought there were best-ofs on and I don't want to listen to Lionel.
I'm listening to Democracy Now! right now but after this I will have to go check out the fill-ins. Thanks for the heads up Chris since I would have still thought there were best-ofs on and I don't want to listen to Lionel.
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 13:56:14
You guys picked a great time to go on vacation, huh? :doh:
BobR on 03/12/2008 13:56:14
Quote by producerchris1:
Hey Everyone! ProducerChris
ProducerChris :clown:
You guys picked a great time to go on vacation, huh? :doh:
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 13:56:14
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 13:56:14
I gotta say - I really like Angela and Frances (sp?) -- they're good!!!
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 13:56:39
Because like MTV they never show music videos anymore. Come to think of it, MTV2 which was supposed to be only music videos hardly shows music videos anymore.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 13:56:39
Quote by Raine:
I kinda like these ladies! I must admit I have not seen the VH-1 Machine lately...
Because like MTV they never show music videos anymore. Come to think of it, MTV2 which was supposed to be only music videos hardly shows music videos anymore.
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 13:57:11
They did this hilarious bit on NPR about the Academy Awards and how to make it a better show. . . the quote I remember most is "Our house band would be Prince and the Revolution!" :rofl:
starling310 on 03/12/2008 13:57:11
Quote by Raine:
I kinda like these ladies! I must admit I have not seen the VH-1 Machine lately...
They did this hilarious bit on NPR about the Academy Awards and how to make it a better show. . . the quote I remember most is "Our house band would be Prince and the Revolution!" :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 13:57:56
!
Raine on 03/12/2008 13:57:56
Quote by BobR:Quote by producerchris1:
Hey Everyone! ProducerChris
ProducerChris :clown:
You guys picked a great time to go on vacation, huh? :doh:
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 13:58:01
But as you see it's not working......
I know it seems like "Hey we got sold a bill of goods on that last one!".
I think that "their" retroic has lost not only it's effectiveness but even it's veneer of fact?
Remember how those pieces of filth got this far? they "Marketed" the "conservative" brand to the masses. Had them looking at gay people while they sold thier jobs over seas.
I'm just wondering if they are trying to expand the data sets.
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 13:58:01
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
I also wanted to toss out a question about this TIA thing.
You know where I stand ont the whole thing. But there may be a little misunderstanding as to the whole reason why.
My question is this. "We know that there is very little reason to do such a grand and gross attack on out privacy for secutiry concerns. So why do it?"
I have an answer that is far darker when you think about it than it would first seem.
Are they doing this for "Marketing Reasons?" Weather or not they are doing it to market the technology to do it or they are doing it to better twist our minds to sell us soap, or even the "Brand of Conservativeism" I think it's not about keeping us safe as keeping them selves rich.
What do you all think?
I believe it's being done to retain power (and power<=>money). I think the marketing aspect was there long before the TIA program. They've had the marketing down for a while now.
But as you see it's not working......
I know it seems like "Hey we got sold a bill of goods on that last one!".
I think that "their" retroic has lost not only it's effectiveness but even it's veneer of fact?
Remember how those pieces of filth got this far? they "Marketed" the "conservative" brand to the masses. Had them looking at gay people while they sold thier jobs over seas.
I'm just wondering if they are trying to expand the data sets.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 13:58:37
I was wondering who that was.
I like them on Best Week Ever, not sure if 3 hours of them is going to be a good thing though - we'll see. THey have big drag queenie type shoes to fill.
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 13:58:37
Quote by producerchris1:
Hey Everyone! ProducerChris
ProducerChris :clown:
I was wondering who that was.
I like them on Best Week Ever, not sure if 3 hours of them is going to be a good thing though - we'll see. THey have big drag queenie type shoes to fill.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 13:59:03
livingonli on 03/12/2008 13:59:03
Don't forget Keith is going to have a comment on HRC tonight.
Comment by 
TriSec on 03/12/2008 13:59:48
TriSec on 03/12/2008 13:59:48
Sorry-ass TriSec shuffling around.
The Mines and the Home Front seem to have reached a confluence today. So my only safe haven is here.
:kickcan:
The Mines and the Home Front seem to have reached a confluence today. So my only safe haven is here.
:kickcan:
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:00:08
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:00:08
MOrning btw! :hug:
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 14:03:40
Oofda. . .and this on top of giving up coffee.
starling310 on 03/12/2008 14:03:40
Quote by TriSec:
Sorry-ass TriSec shuffling around.
The Mines and the Home Front seem to have reached a confluence today. So my only safe haven is here.
:kickcan:
Oofda. . .and this on top of giving up coffee.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:05:54
IT sucks when everything falls on you at once.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:05:54
Quote by starling310:Quote by TriSec:
Sorry-ass TriSec shuffling around.
The Mines and the Home Front seem to have reached a confluence today. So my only safe haven is here.
:kickcan:
Oofda. . .and this on top of giving up coffee.
IT sucks when everything falls on you at once.
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 14:11:11
BobR on 03/12/2008 14:11:11
How cool is this?
Animation discovered on ancient piece of pottery
EDIT: Here's a GIF created from the pottery images:
Animation discovered on ancient piece of pottery
EDIT: Here's a GIF created from the pottery images:
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:12:21
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:12:21
I don't get it - they want Spitzer out now, he's a local guy for NY only so it's whole NY thing. But people on a national stage like Vitter and Craig get to keep there job and people don't demand they resign.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 14:15:27
Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 14:15:27
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:15:51
It's the double standard which seems that Republicans are given a pass but Democrats have to be nailed to the wall.
And why haven't they pushed Larry Craig out, he totally reneged on his decistion to resign. Is he going to run for re-election this year?
livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:15:51
Quote by wickedpam:
I don't get it - they want Spitzer out now, he's a local guy for NY only so it's whole NY thing. But people on a national stage like Vitter and Craig get to keep there job and people don't demand they resign.
It's the double standard which seems that Republicans are given a pass but Democrats have to be nailed to the wall.
And why haven't they pushed Larry Craig out, he totally reneged on his decistion to resign. Is he going to run for re-election this year?
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:19:50
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:19:50
Sister called me to talk about Spitzer... he will be stepping down at around 11:30 this morning, effective as of Monday.
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 14:20:43
IARIFYAR
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 14:20:43
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
I don't get it - they want Spitzer out now, he's a local guy for NY only so it's whole NY thing. But people on a national stage like Vitter and Craig get to keep there job and people don't demand they resign.
It's the double standard which seems that Republicans are given a pass but Democrats have to be nailed to the wall.
And why haven't they pushed Larry Craig out, he totally reneged on his decistion to resign. Is he going to run for re-election this year?
IARIFYAR
Comment by TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:21:03
TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:21:03
But Bob, didn't you see that the ancient pottery was Iranian???
What are you, some kind of distributer of ancient muslim terror?
What are you, some kind of distributer of ancient muslim terror?
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 14:22:39
Something doesn't smell right about the whole thing. and it's not the lube........
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 14:22:39
Quote by Raine:
Sister called me to talk about Spitzer... he will be stepping down at around 11:30 this morning, effective as of Monday.
Something doesn't smell right about the whole thing. and it's not the lube........
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 14:23:07
jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 14:23:07
I'm not a constituent of Craig or Vitter, so I don't have a say in whether they stay or go. I voted for Spitzer, and he's turned out to be a hypocrite and he is, effectively, politically crippled.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:23:10
That is so cool!
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:23:10
Quote by BobR:
How cool is this?
Animation discovered on ancient piece of pottery
EDIT: Here's a GIF created from the pottery images:
Comment by TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:25:08
TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:25:08
Any chemists out there?
Why is it when I add a slice of actual lemon to my tea, the cream doesn't curdle, but when I use lemon juice, it does?
Why is it when I add a slice of actual lemon to my tea, the cream doesn't curdle, but when I use lemon juice, it does?
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:25:25
livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:25:25
The SMS blog is still very quiet. How many of the listeners know that today is not a best-of.
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 14:26:06
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 14:26:06
Quote by BobR:
How cool is this?
Animation discovered on ancient piece of pottery
EDIT: Here's a GIF created from the pottery images:
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:26:46
I sure as hell don't want to listen for the next 8 months about how the Dems are weak on corruption from the repugs. For the good of the party he NEEDS to step down.
And, he is a little bit more than a local guy actually, had he not gotten all power crazy, and all the stuff I have been hearing about him since he took office, he had a possible position in the Clinton Administration. He was supposed to go places... Now the only place he seems to be going is the spare bedroom...
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:26:46
Quote by jd_in_ny:
I'm not a constituent of Craig or Vitter, so I don't have a say in whether they stay or go. I voted for Spitzer, and he's turned out to be a hypocrite and he is, effectively, politically crippled.
And, he is a little bit more than a local guy actually, had he not gotten all power crazy, and all the stuff I have been hearing about him since he took office, he had a possible position in the Clinton Administration. He was supposed to go places... Now the only place he seems to be going is the spare bedroom...
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:28:32
See that I understand. You voted for him, he did something wrong and you have a right to tell him to step aside.
Why are Vitter's, Craig's, and all the others who have been found to something similar not being told to step aside by thier voters?
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:28:32
Quote by jd_in_ny:
I'm not a constituent of Craig or Vitter, so I don't have a say in whether they stay or go. I voted for Spitzer, and he's turned out to be a hypocrite and he is, effectively, politically crippled.
See that I understand. You voted for him, he did something wrong and you have a right to tell him to step aside.
Why are Vitter's, Craig's, and all the others who have been found to something similar not being told to step aside by thier voters?
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:28:41
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:28:41
CAn we stream them on the weekends? I may have to do that!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 14:29:25
I agree - and I have no idea!
jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 14:29:25
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by jd_in_ny:
I'm not a constituent of Craig or Vitter, so I don't have a say in whether they stay or go. I voted for Spitzer, and he's turned out to be a hypocrite and he is, effectively, politically crippled.
See that I understand. You voted for him, he did something wrong and you have a right to tell him to step aside.
Why are Vitter's, Craig's, and all the others who have been found to something similar not being told to step aside by thier voters?
I agree - and I have no idea!
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 14:29:49
perhaps because you're getting less juice by just putting the slice in instead of squeezing the juice out.
Also:
1) You are supposed to add milk to tea, not cream. Milk is less likely to curdle in the hot tea.
2) Adding milk (or cream) to tea lessens its anti-oxident benefits.
BobR on 03/12/2008 14:29:49
Quote by TriSec:
Any chemists out there?
Why is it when I add a slice of actual lemon to my tea, the cream doesn't curdle, but when I use lemon juice, it does?
perhaps because you're getting less juice by just putting the slice in instead of squeezing the juice out.
Also:
1) You are supposed to add milk to tea, not cream. Milk is less likely to curdle in the hot tea.
2) Adding milk (or cream) to tea lessens its anti-oxident benefits.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:32:05
KTLK does have a stream. We just have to find out when the show is on. I presume all times on the web site would be Pacific time.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:32:05
Quote by Raine:
CAn we stream them on the weekends? I may have to do that!
KTLK does have a stream. We just have to find out when the show is on. I presume all times on the web site would be Pacific time.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:32:59
maybe the slice of lemon is diluted by the pulp and rind?
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:32:59
Quote by TriSec:
Any chemists out there?
Why is it when I add a slice of actual lemon to my tea, the cream doesn't curdle, but when I use lemon juice, it does?
maybe the slice of lemon is diluted by the pulp and rind?
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:34:14
they are republican. The hypocrisy is astounding.
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:34:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by jd_in_ny:
I'm not a constituent of Craig or Vitter, so I don't have a say in whether they stay or go. I voted for Spitzer, and he's turned out to be a hypocrite and he is, effectively, politically crippled.
See that I understand. You voted for him, he did something wrong and you have a right to tell him to step aside.
Why are Vitter's, Craig's, and all the others who have been found to something similar not being told to step aside by thier voters?
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:36:03
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:36:03
What the hell? She was in Idaho?
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 14:37:05
BobR on 03/12/2008 14:37:05
New AudiCons added (thanks Shane-O!)
threwup:
blocktheshot:
alcohol:
threwup:
blocktheshot:
alcohol:
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:37:23
livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:37:23
Mary Ann loved the Mary Jane. 
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:37:27
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:37:27
God Bless Marianne. 69 years old... :P
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 14:37:32
I suspect many do not know. Perhaps ProducerChris can send out an e-mail.
I will tune in tomorrow. Jay Marvin has a great show today, and is interviewing Ishmael Reed right now.
Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 14:37:32
Quote by livingonli:
The SMS blog is still very quiet. How many of the listeners know that today is not a best-of.
I suspect many do not know. Perhaps ProducerChris can send out an e-mail.
I will tune in tomorrow. Jay Marvin has a great show today, and is interviewing Ishmael Reed right now.
Comment by TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:37:49
TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:37:49
Beastly American!
What do you know about a proper cup of tea, anyway?
What do you know about a proper cup of tea, anyway?
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:40:40
AWESOME!
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:40:40
AWESOME!
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:41:44
Now you have to wonder what Gilligan kept under that hat.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 14:41:44
Quote by Raine:
God Bless Marianne. 69 years old... :P
Now you have to wonder what Gilligan kept under that hat.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:42:06
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 14:42:06
Sherwood Swartz - no ya don't hear them referenced everyday :D
Comment by TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:44:26
TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:44:26
Moving on to Groove Salad at SomaFM...
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:45:06
Woohoo!
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:45:06
Quote by BobR:
New AudiCons added (thanks Shane-O!)
threwup:
blocktheshot:
alcohol:
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 14:47:22
Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 14:47:22
If you want to listen to some of the Jay Marvin show later, you can go to http://www.am760.net/cc-common/podcast.html
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 14:47:54
Glad to be of assistance :D
I'm sending the "alcohol" one without the "Splat Steph" on the front side - might be more useful - up to you all, of course.
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 14:47:54
Quote by Raine:Woohoo!Quote by BobR:
New AudiCons added (thanks Shane-O!)
threwup:
blocktheshot:
alcohol:
Glad to be of assistance :D
I'm sending the "alcohol" one without the "Splat Steph" on the front side - might be more useful - up to you all, of course.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 14:56:54
Thank you for the link will. I may check it out later.
I must admit, I usually don't like too much shmahts in da morning. But that is only me.
Raine on 03/12/2008 14:56:54
Quote by will in chicago:
If you want to listen to some of the Jay Marvin show later, you can go to http://www.am760.net/cc-common/podcast.html
I must admit, I usually don't like too much shmahts in da morning. But that is only me.
Comment by TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:57:43
TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:57:43
Emdeon -->
TriSec -->
TriSec -->
Comment by TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:59:58
TriSec on 03/12/2008 14:59:58
Ya know, in some weird way, Spitzer resigning is taking the high road, isn't it?
Compare....
Dem in Sex scandal: I'm sorry. I'll go now.
Repug in Sex scandal: What sex scandal? I love my wife! I'm not gay!
Compare....
Dem in Sex scandal: I'm sorry. I'll go now.
Repug in Sex scandal: What sex scandal? I love my wife! I'm not gay!
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:00:23
livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:00:23
Don't forget Laura Flanders is filling in for Thom today and tomorrow.
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 15:02:40
Updated!
BobR on 03/12/2008 15:02:40
Quote by Shane-O:
Glad to be of assistance :D
I'm sending the "alcohol" one without the "Splat Steph" on the front side - might be more useful - up to you all, of course.
Updated!
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:03:27
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:03:27
I could not get a screen shot of it, but a moment ago on MSNBC the screen said
BREAKING NEWS: Waiting for NY Gov Eliot Spitzer to leave apartment building
They were filming the door of his apt building. I swear to god...
They were filming the door of his apt building. I swear to god...
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:07:34
Like vultures swirling around a carcass.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:07:34
Quote by Raine:
I could not get a screen shot of it, but a moment ago on MSNBC the screen saidBREAKING NEWS: Waiting for NY Gov Eliot Spitzer to leave apartment building
They were filming the door of his apt building. I swear to god...
Like vultures swirling around a carcass.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:08:12
I think it is. Also goes to when the Dem's police their own, like Jefferson who had the cash in his freezer. Although wasn't he re-elected?
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:08:12
Quote by TriSec:
Ya know, in some weird way, Spitzer resigning is taking the high road, isn't it?
Compare....
Dem in Sex scandal: I'm sorry. I'll go now.
Repug in Sex scandal: What sex scandal? I love my wife! I'm not gay!
I think it is. Also goes to when the Dem's police their own, like Jefferson who had the cash in his freezer. Although wasn't he re-elected?
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:10:31
livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:10:31
Jefferson was re-elected but that was the people in his district and not the party.
Just think of all the times DC residents put Marion Barry back in office.
Just think of all the times DC residents put Marion Barry back in office.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:11:05
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:11:05
Wow, this story is scary. They held her like a friggin non human being. 
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 15:11:18
BobR on 03/12/2008 15:11:18
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 15:11:55
Thanks Bob. I should have been more careful on that one...
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 15:11:55
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Glad to be of assistance :D
I'm sending the "alcohol" one without the "Splat Steph" on the front side - might be more useful - up to you all, of course.
Updated!
Thanks Bob. I should have been more careful on that one...
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:12:48
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:12:48
Jefferson was also stripped of ALL his committee's. HE is fairly much a non entity in Washington.
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:13:01
starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:13:01
"All criminals. You should carry a protein bar with you." 
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:13:52
Well, he IS Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:13:52
Quote by livingonli:
Jefferson was re-elected but that was the people in his district and not the party.
Just think of all the times DC residents put Marion Barry back in office.
Well, he IS Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:15:26
starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:15:26
OMG...the arrow story! :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:18:45
pfff... We love promoting Momma around here! tain't no big deal!
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:18:45
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Glad to be of assistance :D
I'm sending the "alcohol" one without the "Splat Steph" on the front side - might be more useful - up to you all, of course.
Updated!
Thanks Bob. I should have been more careful on that one...
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:18:45
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:18:45
Sounds like a scene from Goonies
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:18:47
starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:18:47
Frances is Second City Alumni! 
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:20:52
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:20:52
Frances Sounds just like Wanda Sykes... 
I love Wanda.
I love Wanda.
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 15:23:24
BobR on 03/12/2008 15:23:24
Another favorite from Shane-O:
hillarycackle:
hillarycackle:
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:23:56
Ya have to turn up the volume -
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:23:56
Quote by wickedpam:
Sounds like a scene from Goonies
Ya have to turn up the volume -
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:26:47
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:26:47
:banana: U2! 
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:31:43
:rofl:
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:31:43
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by wickedpam:
Sounds like a scene from Goonies
Ya have to turn up the volume -
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:34:35
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:34:35
I love that movie.
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 15:34:46
Now we have the OJ arial footage of Spitzer's car slowly wending its way through NYC...
Meanwhile, back in Iraq, attrocities continue to be ignored...
BobR on 03/12/2008 15:34:46
Quote by BobR:
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!
:rolleyes:
Now we have the OJ arial footage of Spitzer's car slowly wending its way through NYC...
Meanwhile, back in Iraq, attrocities continue to be ignored...
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:35:38
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:35:38
:rofl: They crack me up! They are pushing eliot out there with a broom...
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 15:36:00
Yes, I know. I just want to be careful. It's one thing to send the silly audio crap I do - I just want to be mindfull of the "intellectual property" of the SMS.
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 15:36:00
Quote by Raine:pfff... We love promoting Momma around here! tain't no big deal!Quote by Shane-O:Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Glad to be of assistance :D
I'm sending the "alcohol" one without the "Splat Steph" on the front side - might be more useful - up to you all, of course.
Updated!
Thanks Bob. I should have been more careful on that one...
Yes, I know. I just want to be careful. It's one thing to send the silly audio crap I do - I just want to be mindfull of the "intellectual property" of the SMS.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:37:32
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:37:32
2 Spitzer househouseholds? ... does that mean they would become the Splitzers?
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 15:38:11
It seems strange but these are the words of some of the founding members of the "Religious Right".
It's worth a read.
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 15:38:11
In a column written shortly after Falwell's death in May, Thomas opined, "The flaw in the movement was the perception that the church had become an appendage to the Republican Party and one more special interest group to be pampered. If one examines the results of the Moral Majority's agenda, little was accomplished in the political arena and much was lost in the spiritual realm, as many came to believe that to be a Christian meant you also must be 'converted' to the Republican Party and adopt the GOP agenda and its tactics."
What's more, these critics aren't shy about speaking out. Schaeffer details his years in the Religious Right in his recently published book Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One Of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) Of It Back.
The tome is a frank tell-all loaded with broadsides against the Religious Right. Schaeffer does not hesitate to speak bluntly, as the following passages indicate:
* "What I slowly realized was that the religious-right leaders we were helping to gain power were not 'conservatives' at all, in the old sense of the word. They were anti-American religious revolutionaries."
* "Pat Robertson would have had a hard time finding work in any job where hearing voices is not a requirement."
* "Long before Ralph Reed and his ilk came on the scene, Dad got sick of 'these idiots' as he often called people like Dobson in private. They were 'plastic,' Dad said, and 'power-hungry.'"
* "There were three kinds of evangelical leaders: The dumb or idealistic ones who really believed. The out-and-out charlatans. And the smart ones who still believed -- sort of -- but knew that the evangelical world was sh*t, but who couldn't figure out any way to earn as good a living anywhere else."
It's worth a read.
Comment by clintster on 03/12/2008 15:39:53
clintster on 03/12/2008 15:39:53
Predicted headers during Spitzer's press conference:
"Gov. Spitzer reaching for glass of water"
"Gov. Eliot Spitzer: (heavy sigh)"
"Spitzer: 'Could someone...uhh, adjust this mic up for me?'"
"Gov. Spitzer reaching for glass of water"
"Gov. Eliot Spitzer: (heavy sigh)"
"Spitzer: 'Could someone...uhh, adjust this mic up for me?'"
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:40:14
More like
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:40:14
Quote by Raine:
2 Spitzer househouseholds? ... does that mean they would become the Splitzers?
More like
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:40:16
livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:40:16
But I guess no one has had any luck in getting the Rachel Maddow/Unfiltered fanfare.
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:42:04
starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:42:04
The irony is that we have become the "Personal Responsibility" party.
WHY IS THE BLOG SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOOOOOOW>!?!?!?!?
WHY IS THE BLOG SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOOOOOOW>!?!?!?!?
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:45:29
starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:45:29
If the blog isn't slow for everyone else I am going to be 
Pages tend to slow down a few days before my company BLOCKS them.
Pages tend to slow down a few days before my company BLOCKS them.
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 15:46:34
I know someone needs to KICK the hamsters.....
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 15:46:34
Quote by starling310:
The irony is that we have become the "Personal Responsibility" party.
WHY IS THE BLOG SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOOOOOOW>!?!?!?!?
I know someone needs to KICK the hamsters.....
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:47:39
They have already blocked it at Mondo's job.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:47:39
Quote by starling310:
If the blog isn't slow for everyone else I am going to be
Pages tend to slow down a few days before my company BLOCKS them.
They have already blocked it at Mondo's job.
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:49:26
starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:49:26
Blog Poll: Would you be more angry about your partner/spouse cheating on you with a professional, or someone they actually had feelings for?
Dumb question, I know, but "Lunchtime Poll" worthy.
Dumb question, I know, but "Lunchtime Poll" worthy.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:52:46
IT seems slow to me today, but I thought it was my computer.
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:52:46
Quote by starling310:
If the blog isn't slow for everyone else I am going to be
Pages tend to slow down a few days before my company BLOCKS them.
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 15:53:35
Ms. Grumpy says ".... As long as she's not skanky...."
Grumpymann on 03/12/2008 15:53:35
Quote by starling310:
Blog Poll: Would you be more angry about your partner/spouse cheating on you with a professional, or someone they actually had feelings for?
Dumb question, I know, but "Lunchtime Poll" worthy.
Ms. Grumpy says ".... As long as she's not skanky...."
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 15:54:25
BobR on 03/12/2008 15:54:25
The blog seems a little slow - I think that happens when there's a lot of AudiCons and/or YouTubes and/or pictures in the comments...
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:54:28
They block everything at Mondo job.
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:54:28
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
If the blog isn't slow for everyone else I am going to be
Pages tend to slow down a few days before my company BLOCKS them.
They have already blocked it at Mondo's job.
They block everything at Mondo job.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:54:57
livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:54:57
And New York will have the first legally blind Governor.
I wonder why the qualifier, does that mean he still has some vision, but it's so poor that he could just as well be blind? Speaking as someone who's severly near-sighted, I have always wondered where that line falls.
I wonder why the qualifier, does that mean he still has some vision, but it's so poor that he could just as well be blind? Speaking as someone who's severly near-sighted, I have always wondered where that line falls.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:55:27
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:55:27
Only thing slowing mine down is all the audio stuff - but that's my computer's issue I know.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:56:30
Free Mondo!
livingonli on 03/12/2008 15:56:30
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
If the blog isn't slow for everyone else I am going to be
Pages tend to slow down a few days before my company BLOCKS them.
They have already blocked it at Mondo's job.
They block everything at Mondo job.
Free Mondo!
Comment by starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:56:45
starling310 on 03/12/2008 15:56:45
"There was a time in this country. . . " Montage!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:57:41
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:57:41
:rofl: Love the wrap up! :rofl:
They need to sub for Steph more often.
They need to sub for Steph more often.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:58:12
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:58:12
They say that Justice is blind! In NY's case, I hope so! :D
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:58:25
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 15:58:25
"take that Helen Keller" :spit:
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 15:59:31
Raine on 03/12/2008 15:59:31
:clap: thanks Frangela!
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:00:20
They do have the zany quality. IF we can't have Auntie Elayne, maybe they can be the new fill-ins for Momma et les Mookens.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:00:20
Quote by wickedpam:
:rofl: Love the wrap up! :rofl:
They need to sub for Steph more often.
They do have the zany quality. IF we can't have Auntie Elayne, maybe they can be the new fill-ins for Momma et les Mookens.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 16:09:30
Raine on 03/12/2008 16:09:30
Question, with Patterson set to bec0ome Gov, who is the going to be the LT. Gov in NY? Does the house Majority leader, Bruno end up with that position, or does Paterson get to nominate his own Lt. Governor?
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:16:28
From what I've heard I believe Bruno does become Lt. Governor. When they were discussing it on Democracy Now! that's what they said would happen which would help the Republican's razor thin majority in the State Senate.
And this is interesting that I have Laura Flanders on the radio and Rachel Maddow on the TV.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:16:28
Quote by Raine:
Question, with Patterson set to bec0ome Gov, who is the going to be the LT. Gov in NY? Does the house Majority leader, Bruno end up with that position, or does Paterson get to nominate his own Lt. Governor?
From what I've heard I believe Bruno does become Lt. Governor. When they were discussing it on Democracy Now! that's what they said would happen which would help the Republican's razor thin majority in the State Senate.
And this is interesting that I have Laura Flanders on the radio and Rachel Maddow on the TV.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 16:26:50
I made a phone call and got the answer. NY will not replace the LT. Gov position with anyone.
Bruno Stays the Majoirty Leader (Unless the Dems get the majority in November) and if anything happens to Patterson , Bruno would automatically get the position.
Raine on 03/12/2008 16:26:50
Quote by Raine: Question, with Patterson set to bec0ome Gov, who is the going to be the LT. Gov in NY? Does the house Majority leader, Bruno end up with that position, or does Paterson get to nominate his own Lt. Governor?
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:27:20
livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:27:20
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 16:30:43
Raine on 03/12/2008 16:30:43
MSNBC is saying that they are evacuating the Capitol building....
AND allegedlly, as a se
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 16:32:21
Raine on 03/12/2008 16:32:21
Also a plane has violated the Airspace in DC. The plane has been turned away and the evacuation order has ceased. Jesus H christmas. Stupidity abounds. My First thought was... What is Bush doing on the constitution that we are having the alerts go crazt all of a sudden?
F8ckers.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 16:33:48
Will in Chicago on 03/12/2008 16:33:48
I have to head out, so I hope that everyone will be well.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 16:33:56
Raine on 03/12/2008 16:33:56
Shiny KEYS alert in DC!
Nothing to see here, move along... 
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:34:39
Gee, they didn't think that the Spitzer story was enough of a distraction for them to get away with stuff. Maybe Chimpy was on his bike again.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:34:39
Quote by Raine:
Also a plane has violated the Airspace in DC. The plane has been turned away and the evacuation order has ceased. Jesus H christmas. Stupidity abounds. My First thought was... What is Bush doing on the constitution that we are having the alerts go crazt all of a sudden?
F8ckers.
Gee, they didn't think that the Spitzer story was enough of a distraction for them to get away with stuff. Maybe Chimpy was on his bike again.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 16:35:43
CUL8R Will!
Raine on 03/12/2008 16:35:43
Quote by will in chicago: I have to head out, so I hope that everyone will be well.
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 03/12/2008 16:37:26
IzzyBitz on 03/12/2008 16:37:26
Good Morning/Afternoon - I think I'm the only morning in these parts!
Frangela?!
They were on during drive time before the latest schedule change. I didn't like them at all. It was just
to me. Definitely more suited
for VH-1 where empty talk is acceptable. I prefer Aunties Elayne and Merrill. Just my opinion.
Regarding your Lunchtime Poll, Star, either way, out the door. Not putting up with any of that nonsense. If they do it once, they'll do it again. Buh-bye.
Frangela?!
They were on during drive time before the latest schedule change. I didn't like them at all. It was just
to me. Definitely more suited for VH-1 where empty talk is acceptable. I prefer Aunties Elayne and Merrill. Just my opinion.
Regarding your Lunchtime Poll, Star, either way, out the door. Not putting up with any of that nonsense. If they do it once, they'll do it again. Buh-bye.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 16:38:10
Raine on 03/12/2008 16:38:10
I usually am not a fan of Paglia, but this column was wonderful...
Just a sampling.
Would I want Hillary answering the red phone in the middle of the night? No, bloody not. The White House first responder should be a person of steady, consistent character and mood -- which describes Obama more than Hillary. And that scare ad was produced with amazing ineptitude. If it's 3 a.m., why is the male-seeming mother fully dressed as she comes in to check on her sleeping children? Is she a bar crawler or insomniac? An obsessive-compulsive housecleaner, like Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest"? And why is Hillary sitting at her desk in full drag and jewelry at that ungodly hour? A president should not be a monomaniac incapable of rest and perched on guard all night like Poe's baleful raven. People at the top need a relaxed perspective, which gives judgment and balance. Workaholism is an introspection-killing disease, the anxious disability of tunnel-vision middle managers.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:41:23
livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:41:23
Hi Izzy. You may be the only morning person in this group. We have a big contigent of Eastern Time People. Will and mfaye are Central Time and that's it.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:57:02
livingonli on 03/12/2008 16:57:02
Everyone must have went to lunch.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 17:00:05
Raine on 03/12/2008 17:00:05
I am still around! Heya Izzy! I was just on the phone with my sister, as it seems as tho one of these Woman, Tonya Hollander has a few ties to the Area I used to live. We are salaciously trying to see if we know her. 36 years old from Rhinebeck NY, and she is a nutritionist. There is a darn good chance that she went to school with some friends of mine ...
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/12/2008 17:04:30
IzzyBitz on 03/12/2008 17:04:30
I just had breakfast!
Maybe that wayward plane was Kevin in DC trying to impress his woman!
Maybe that wayward plane was Kevin in DC trying to impress his woman!
Comment by clintster on 03/12/2008 17:10:36
clintster on 03/12/2008 17:10:36
Well, good thing I had to back out of the M&G. I heard on the radio that there was some sort of water main break on Clairmont that closed it up from Scott to Ponce. So, I avoided having to deal with that. Unfortunately, it also meant I had to deal with Boortz yammering about "government schools" while getting the traffic update. :P
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/12/2008 17:13:39
You just never know who lives down the street, Raine! Out here, everyone is two to three degrees of separation from everyone else. Sometimes it's good and sometimes you just want to deny the whole thing!
IzzyBitz on 03/12/2008 17:13:39
Quote by Raine:
I am still around! Heya Izzy! I was just on the phone with my sister, as it seems as tho one of these Woman, Tonya Hollander has a few ties to the Area I used to live. We are salaciously trying to see if we know her. 36 years old from Rhinebeck NY, and she is a nutritionist. There is a darn good chance that she went to school with some friends of mine ...
You just never know who lives down the street, Raine! Out here, everyone is two to three degrees of separation from everyone else. Sometimes it's good and sometimes you just want to deny the whole thing!
Comment by 
MMB on 03/12/2008 17:37:45
MMB on 03/12/2008 17:37:45
Good Afternoon from all's well in J-Ville Fl. I want to wish my mom and dad a happy 50 years of marriage. It is very hard to sit and watch your mom mourn for my daddy who is in a nursing home and his dementia is getting very bad very fast. But he did realize who was on the phone when my mom called him. Have a good day all. 
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 17:50:48
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 17:50:48
Random thought - and - it's completely OK if y'all hate it.
I was thinking of setting up an unofficial SMS fan March Madness bracket kinda thang (via Yahoo or ESPN). I'm way too new to know if anyone might be interested- but there seems to be some sports (hockey) fans here...
Yes, there are more important things going on in the World than college basketball, but who could pass up the opportunity for Sh&t-Talk and gloating rites?
Just an idea...
I was thinking of setting up an unofficial SMS fan March Madness bracket kinda thang (via Yahoo or ESPN). I'm way too new to know if anyone might be interested- but there seems to be some sports (hockey) fans here...
Yes, there are more important things going on in the World than college basketball, but who could pass up the opportunity for Sh&t-Talk and gloating rites?
Just an idea...
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/12/2008 18:02:27
IzzyBitz on 03/12/2008 18:02:27
March Madness sh*t talking and gloating rights?! Count me in. I do the Pro Pickem Football thing on Yahoo. This will be fun!
Good on Shano-O for the excellent random thought!
Good on Shano-O for the excellent random thought!
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 18:06:42
That's why we have a participation ribbon.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 18:06:42
Quote by IzzyBitz:
March Madness sh*t talking and gloating rights?! Count me in. I do the Pro Pickem Football thing on Yahoo. This will be fun!
Good on Shano-O for the excellent random thought!
That's why we have a participation ribbon.
Comment by TriSec on 03/12/2008 18:15:13
TriSec on 03/12/2008 18:15:13
I used to be real good with the brackets back in the day, but I've gotten away from that in recent years.
Nevertheless, I have not missed a tournament final on the teevee since 1983, so count me in!
Although I'm more of a Frozen Four type these days...
Nevertheless, I have not missed a tournament final on the teevee since 1983, so count me in!
Although I'm more of a Frozen Four type these days...
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 18:19:30
livingonli on 03/12/2008 18:19:30
How many times can WWRL run the freecreditreport.com ad. 
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 18:26:47
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 18:26:47
Well, cool - I'll set it up for those who might be interested - on Sunday night/Monday morning. And, back to your regularly scheduled programming now...
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 18:44:02
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 18:44:02
Holy Crap! Richard Belzer!
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 19:28:01
Yikes! Boortz!!! (:puke: the Pride of Atlanta...)
Raine on 03/12/2008 19:28:01
Quote by clintster: Well, good thing I had to back out of the M&G. I heard on the radio that there was some sort of water main break on Clairmont that closed it up from Scott to Ponce. So, I avoided having to deal with that. Unfortunately, it also meant I had to deal with Boortz yammering about "government schools" while getting the traffic update. :P
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 19:30:13
WEll I found out she lives right next door to where I friend of mine does home health care... .... Still waiting to see what else I can find out... :P
Raine on 03/12/2008 19:30:13
Quote by IzzyBitz:You just never know who lives down the street, Raine! Out here, everyone is two to three degrees of separation from everyone else. Sometimes it's good and sometimes you just want to deny the whole thing!Quote by Raine: I am still around! Heya Izzy! I was just on the phone with my sister, as it seems as tho one of these Woman, Tonya Hollander has a few ties to the Area I used to live. We are salaciously trying to see if we know her. 36 years old from Rhinebeck NY, and she is a nutritionist. There is a darn good chance that she went to school with some friends of mine ...
.... Still waiting to see what else I can find out... :P
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 19:36:26
livingonli on 03/12/2008 19:36:26
We want the dirt, Raine.
Comment by TriSec on 03/12/2008 19:39:43
TriSec on 03/12/2008 19:39:43
*completely obscure question alert*
Say Mondo, we're trying to map the location of all our clearinghouses. I have one for Availity in Jacksonville...7406 Fullerton St.
There's a really, big complex at the intersection of I-95 and 295 on the Southeast side of town that looks like an office building...or a mall. Are you familiar with this part of town?
Say Mondo, we're trying to map the location of all our clearinghouses. I have one for Availity in Jacksonville...7406 Fullerton St.
There's a really, big complex at the intersection of I-95 and 295 on the Southeast side of town that looks like an office building...or a mall. Are you familiar with this part of town?
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 19:56:30
:::: scurries off to find a team to be madnessed about::::
Raine on 03/12/2008 19:56:30
Quote by Shane-O: Well, cool - I'll set it up for those who might be interested - on Sunday night/Monday morning. And, back to your regularly scheduled programming now...
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 20:00:11
WHo's playing for the CAA?
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 20:00:11
Quote by Raine::::: scurries off to find a team to be madnessed about::::Quote by Shane-O:
Well, cool - I'll set it up for those who might be interested - on Sunday night/Monday morning. And, back to your regularly scheduled programming now...
WHo's playing for the CAA?
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 20:01:58
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 20:01:58
Nevermind it's George Mason. I just can't root for them.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 20:04:31
livingonli on 03/12/2008 20:04:31
I think my school only made the big dance once and they lost the only game they played.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/12/2008 20:07:51
wickedpam on 03/12/2008 20:07:51
Mine has made it a couple times now.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 20:08:36
livingonli on 03/12/2008 20:08:36
Let Dr. Laura turn you into a hooker. I don't know whether to or 
or
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 20:12:19
Raine on 03/12/2008 20:12:19
Gotta say, Randi is on fire today.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 20:14:12
Raine on 03/12/2008 20:14:12
How is Syracuse Looking this year? I loves me some Orangemaen!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 20:16:26
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 20:16:26
See - that's the brat in me... 
Please don't hold it against me too badly - I'm nice too!
My freshman year at Michigan (1988-89) - they won the tourny - my first year of grad school at UCLA (1995) - they won the tourny.
While UofM hasn't got a shot at the invite this year, it'll be difficult for me to not pick UCLA to pull it off...
On a more important note - Randi is goin' off on "Dr." Laura -
Please don't hold it against me too badly - I'm nice too!My freshman year at Michigan (1988-89) - they won the tourny - my first year of grad school at UCLA (1995) - they won the tourny.
While UofM hasn't got a shot at the invite this year, it'll be difficult for me to not pick UCLA to pull it off...
On a more important note - Randi is goin' off on "Dr." Laura -
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 20:28:20
Raine on 03/12/2008 20:28:20
Dr.Laura... That woman is an embarrassment to ovaries worldwide.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 20:35:26
I have to think that wherever Virginia Woolf is, she'd like to take a big swing at the Dr.
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 20:35:26
Quote by Raine:
Dr.Laura... That woman is an embarrassment to ovaries worldwide.
I have to think that wherever Virginia Woolf is, she'd like to take a big swing at the Dr.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 20:43:43
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 20:43:43
On that same point, my apologies for going on too long. There was a particular passage in "A Room Of One's Own" where Ms. Woolf spoke about a woman being a mirror to a man - and more importantly, a mirror in which she was required to distort that mirror to make him feel bigger, stronger, etc.
That passage, to which I am not doing justice in my recollection, hit a strong chord with me - as I looked to my Grandmother, my mother, other strong women in my life.
It seems that "Dr." Laura still advocates that women should be that contorted mirror - no matter the cost.
Unacceptable.
That passage, to which I am not doing justice in my recollection, hit a strong chord with me - as I looked to my Grandmother, my mother, other strong women in my life.
It seems that "Dr." Laura still advocates that women should be that contorted mirror - no matter the cost.
Unacceptable.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 20:45:45
Raine on 03/12/2008 20:45:45
We have a thread about Geraldien on the MB.
That woman pisses me off to no end. She is a racist horrible person. 1984, 1988 and now AGAIN in 2008.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 20:52:06
Raine on 03/12/2008 20:52:06
I agree with you Shane-O. Woman like Dr.Laura don't seem to get it. They really think we should stand behind a man and live to please them. I have a far different thought... how about people just live a full life, and if we are lucky enough to have a partner, we lift them up as they would for us? Yah know?
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 21:00:38
livingonli on 03/12/2008 21:00:38
And now it's time for another late shift at the salt mine. Tonight on MSG, we have the Knicks down in Miami in a battle for last place. This should be as much fun as poking a sharp stick in my eye.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 21:01:26
jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 21:01:26
What a novel concept, Raine!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:03:02
Agreed - it's the mutuality that's lacking in a Dr. Laura argument.
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:03:02
Quote by Raine:
I agree with you Shane-O. Woman like Dr.Laura don't seem to get it. They really think we should stand behind a man and live to please them. I have a far different thought... how about people just live a full life, and if we are lucky enough to have a partner, we lift them up as they would for us? Yah know?
Agreed - it's the mutuality that's lacking in a Dr. Laura argument.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:05:20
There are other "Ferraro" articles available on Lexis/Nexis from 1984 - some interesting ones re: unity, race, immigration - lots of the same things facing us all in the current election.
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:05:20
Quote by Raine:
We have a thread about Geraldien on the MB.
That woman pisses me off to no end. She is a racist horrible person. 1984, 1988 and now AGAIN in 2008.
There are other "Ferraro" articles available on Lexis/Nexis from 1984 - some interesting ones re: unity, race, immigration - lots of the same things facing us all in the current election.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 21:05:24
Raine on 03/12/2008 21:05:24
About tonites KO:
From HuffPo:
Keith Olbermann To Do "Special Comment" About Hillary Clinton Tonight Ñ First Time Targeting A Democrat [...]It's a significant moment, because it marks the first time a full-throated special comment will have been directed exclusively at a Democrat. Not just the Democrats, whom Olbermann accused along with the Republicans last May for failing to do anything to get the country out of Iraq, but one particular Democrat Ñ a Democrat whom, incidentally, he did a special comment defending in July after the Defense Dept. sent her a letter accusing her of facilitating anti-U.S. propaganda by demanding to know whether the administration had conceived of an exit strategy from Iraq. He also defended her husband, Bill Clinton, in Sept. 2006 after his controversial interview with FNC's Chris Wallace. I wouldn't expect either of them to get much defending this time around Ñ though something tells me this one will get a lot more than 100,000 views.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 21:11:15
Raine on 03/12/2008 21:11:15
I sometimes wish I had access to the Lexis/Nexis Mosheen.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 21:15:52
Well you know, the idea that people like Dr. Laura try to push that women are here to please men... it just does not make sense. I really do long for a day when as far as it comes to loving relationships, we are more concerned about caring for each other than the sexuality of coupledom.
Raine on 03/12/2008 21:15:52
Quote by jd_in_ny: What a novel concept, Raine!
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 21:19:27
Raine on 03/12/2008 21:19:27
If hillary is going to Run as an independent, she better move quickly... November is fast approaching, and I SERIOUSLY think that she would have a VERY hard time getting on the ballots in MANY states.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:22:18
And I constantly wish I could share passwords! But, I'll piss them off anyway and email to 4F, a couple articles I pulled.
Any bail fund here?
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:22:18
Quote by Raine:
I sometimes wish I had access to the Lexis/Nexis Mosheen.
And I constantly wish I could share passwords! But, I'll piss them off anyway and email to 4F, a couple articles I pulled.
Any bail fund here?
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 21:24:55
I'm pulling for GA Tech.
BobR on 03/12/2008 21:24:55
Quote by Shane-O:
See - that's the brat in me...
My freshman year at Michigan (1988-89) - they won the tourny - my first year of grad school at UCLA (1995) - they won the tourny.
While UofM hasn't got a shot at the invite this year, it'll be difficult for me to not pick UCLA to pull it off...
On a more important note - Randi is goin' off on "Dr." Laura -
I'm pulling for GA Tech.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:29:33
I'm glad you're in BobR! -- nothing like rooting for outcomes we all have no control over, then claiming victory or admitting defeat - again, regarding outcomes we all have no control over!!
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:29:33
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
See - that's the brat in me...
My freshman year at Michigan (1988-89) - they won the tourny - my first year of grad school at UCLA (1995) - they won the tourny.
While UofM hasn't got a shot at the invite this year, it'll be difficult for me to not pick UCLA to pull it off...
On a more important note - Randi is goin' off on "Dr." Laura -
I'm pulling for GA Tech.
I'm glad you're in BobR! -- nothing like rooting for outcomes we all have no control over, then claiming victory or admitting defeat - again, regarding outcomes we all have no control over!!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 21:43:25
jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 21:43:25
"No no, but what I meant to say is that there is NO OTHER REASON for him to have the success in this race that he has."
Yes, that's much better.
Yes, that's much better.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:46:22
With a loving and respectful nod to Momma - "lordy, lordy, lordy"
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 21:46:22
Quote by Raine:
hy hell, we should be thanking Geraldine!
With a loving and respectful nod to Momma - "lordy, lordy, lordy"
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 21:50:56
:rofl:
OT: Nothing like working from home. I'm installing software on a test server back at the office while I brew a batch of Pale Ale in the kitchen....
BobR on 03/12/2008 21:50:56
Quote by Shane-O:
I'm glad you're in BobR! -- nothing like rooting for outcomes we all have no control over, then claiming victory or admitting defeat - again, regarding outcomes we all have no control over!!
:rofl:
OT: Nothing like working from home. I'm installing software on a test server back at the office while I brew a batch of Pale Ale in the kitchen....
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 22:13:29
I think that's called multi-tasking in the best way!
Cheers! Sounds great!
Mmmm, beer.
(I gotta send the Homer version - maybe tomorrow...)
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 22:13:29
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
I'm glad you're in BobR! -- nothing like rooting for outcomes we all have no control over, then claiming victory or admitting defeat - again, regarding outcomes we all have no control over!!
:rofl:
OT: Nothing like working from home. I'm installing software on a test server back at the office while I brew a batch of Pale Ale in the kitchen....
I think that's called multi-tasking in the best way!
Cheers! Sounds great!
Mmmm, beer.
(I gotta send the Homer version - maybe tomorrow...)
Comment by TriSec on 03/12/2008 23:24:48
TriSec on 03/12/2008 23:24:48
Evening, folks.
After running through all the syncopation exercises in my trusty Arban's, I have once again skirmished with Desafinado...I think I have regained the upper hand.
After running through all the syncopation exercises in my trusty Arban's, I have once again skirmished with Desafinado...I think I have regained the upper hand.
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 23:44:34
If she were to do that and guarantee a McCain victory it would be worse than Nader's run and I don't think there would be anyway in hell that anyone would support her in 2012.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 23:44:34
Quote by Raine:
If hillary is going to Run as an independent, she better move quickly... November is fast approaching, and I SERIOUSLY think that she would have a VERY hard time getting on the ballots in MANY states.
If she were to do that and guarantee a McCain victory it would be worse than Nader's run and I don't think there would be anyway in hell that anyone would support her in 2012.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 23:58:17
I absolutely agree.
jd_in_ny on 03/12/2008 23:58:17
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
If hillary is going to Run as an independent, she better move quickly... November is fast approaching, and I SERIOUSLY think that she would have a VERY hard time getting on the ballots in MANY states.
If she were to do that and guarantee a McCain victory it would be worse than Nader's run and I don't think there would be anyway in hell that anyone would support her in 2012.
I absolutely agree.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 03/13/2008 00:11:22
Cowbell :swoon: Now we need an actual cowbell :Will Ferrell:
Mondobubba on 03/13/2008 00:11:22
Quote by Raine:
Ehay Grump and faye! GRUMP! Did you leave yet?WE got this for you!!
AND heya
Cowbell :swoon: Now we need an actual cowbell :Will Ferrell:
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/13/2008 00:14:08
:rofl:
Mondobubba on 03/13/2008 00:14:08
Quote by Raine:
Dr.Laura... That woman is an embarrassment to ovaries worldwide.
:rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/13/2008 00:17:25
Why it is an office park near a mall. I know right where it be since I done interviewed there.
Mondobubba on 03/13/2008 00:17:25
Quote by TriSec:
*completely obscure question alert*
Say Mondo, we're trying to map the location of all our clearinghouses. I have one for Availity in Jacksonville...7406 Fullerton St.
There's a really, big complex at the intersection of I-95 and 295 on the Southeast side of town that looks like an office building...or a mall. Are you familiar with this part of town?
Why it is an office park near a mall. I know right where it be since I done interviewed there.
Comment by m-hadley on 03/13/2008 00:25:36
Hey there Shane-O,
Growing up as I did in Indiana where basketball is the winter religion and having spent many evenings cheering on the Hoosiers in Assembly Hall in Bloomington, IN(NCAA Champs 1976, 1981 & 1987), I love college basketball. Alas, I sent in the following little ditty to Momma last year only to be informed by Rebekah that neither she nor Steph follow college basketball. But I would definitely be up for a March Madness pool - here at TU we hold a "Sports Seminar" because, believe it or not, office pools are illegal here in Oklahoma. Our brackets are our homework and there is a $2.00 materials fee. What ya gotta do when you live in red backwaters like Okie-ville ;)
The following humble ditty is dedicated to Stephie Miller, All-Star Forward, on DeSalle High All-Catholic Team, Lockport, NY, 1989:
Twas the night before tip-off
When all through the house,
Not a TiVo was stirring , not even a mouse
The brackets were hung on the fridges with care
With the hope that the winners
Are all hanging there.
The players were tucked all snug in their beds
While visions of trophies danced in their heads
And Momma in her spandex and Max with his mouth
Were both dreaming of a champ from Cal South.
When out on the driveway there arose such a clatter
That Joakim Noah asked “What's the matter?”
Momma jumped from her bed & what should appear
But a USC Trojan staring at her
(Don’t worry Chris we’re not going there)
More rapid than eagles, the contests they came,
Steph watched them and cheered them and called them by name
(She new 59% of them personally)
On Kansas, go Hoosiers, hale Terrapins too,
Go Buckeyes, on Spartans, go Carolina blue,
To the top of the bucket, to the hoop, let ‘er rip,
Steph whooped them all on from the top to the tip.
And then in a twinkling Steph heard on the street
The scampering sound of her rats little feet
Steph drew in her box (of wine) and turned with a shriek
Across the yard came a muscular player ready to sneak
(into the lane), and into Steph’s bed
He dunked it, he sunk it, his team always led.
He was dressed all in sweats, from his top to his toe,
Max then presented the guy with a bone.
But Steph heard him exclaim as he drove down the lane,
Happy Madness to all and to all a good game!!!
Cheers - your radical militant librarian,
mfaye
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 00:25:36
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
See - that's the brat in me...
My freshman year at Michigan (1988-89) - they won the tourny - my first year of grad school at UCLA (1995) - they won the tourny.
While UofM hasn't got a shot at the invite this year, it'll be difficult for me to not pick UCLA to pull it off...
On a more important note - Randi is goin' off on "Dr." Laura -
I'm pulling for GA Tech.
Hey there Shane-O,
Growing up as I did in Indiana where basketball is the winter religion and having spent many evenings cheering on the Hoosiers in Assembly Hall in Bloomington, IN(NCAA Champs 1976, 1981 & 1987), I love college basketball. Alas, I sent in the following little ditty to Momma last year only to be informed by Rebekah that neither she nor Steph follow college basketball. But I would definitely be up for a March Madness pool - here at TU we hold a "Sports Seminar" because, believe it or not, office pools are illegal here in Oklahoma. Our brackets are our homework and there is a $2.00 materials fee. What ya gotta do when you live in red backwaters like Okie-ville ;)
The following humble ditty is dedicated to Stephie Miller, All-Star Forward, on DeSalle High All-Catholic Team, Lockport, NY, 1989:
Twas the night before tip-off
When all through the house,
Not a TiVo was stirring , not even a mouse
The brackets were hung on the fridges with care
With the hope that the winners
Are all hanging there.
The players were tucked all snug in their beds
While visions of trophies danced in their heads
And Momma in her spandex and Max with his mouth
Were both dreaming of a champ from Cal South.
When out on the driveway there arose such a clatter
That Joakim Noah asked “What's the matter?”
Momma jumped from her bed & what should appear
But a USC Trojan staring at her
(Don’t worry Chris we’re not going there)
More rapid than eagles, the contests they came,
Steph watched them and cheered them and called them by name
(She new 59% of them personally)
On Kansas, go Hoosiers, hale Terrapins too,
Go Buckeyes, on Spartans, go Carolina blue,
To the top of the bucket, to the hoop, let ‘er rip,
Steph whooped them all on from the top to the tip.
And then in a twinkling Steph heard on the street
The scampering sound of her rats little feet
Steph drew in her box (of wine) and turned with a shriek
Across the yard came a muscular player ready to sneak
(into the lane), and into Steph’s bed
He dunked it, he sunk it, his team always led.
He was dressed all in sweats, from his top to his toe,
Max then presented the guy with a bone.
But Steph heard him exclaim as he drove down the lane,
Happy Madness to all and to all a good game!!!
Cheers - your radical militant librarian,
mfaye
Comment by m-hadley on 03/13/2008 00:34:20
Sorry Raine,
I don't think that the Orangemen are dancing this year - they got spanked by Villanova today
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 00:34:20
Quote by Raine:
How is Syracuse Looking this year? I loves me some Orangemaen!
Sorry Raine,
I don't think that the Orangemen are dancing this year - they got spanked by Villanova today
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 00:47:26
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 00:47:26
HA! - I love it!!! Thank you Faye!
I too got the nix from Chris when I proposed an official SMS bracket pool.
But, that's the wonderful thing about democracy. We can do it grassroots-style.
Next year, after its incredible success, maybe even Steph and Rebz will participate??? Okay, prob not...
And BTW - finally someone with a mic (KO) brought up the issue of "legitimacy" in the Dem race.
I too got the nix from Chris when I proposed an official SMS bracket pool.
But, that's the wonderful thing about democracy. We can do it grassroots-style.
Next year, after its incredible success, maybe even Steph and Rebz will participate??? Okay, prob not...
And BTW - finally someone with a mic (KO) brought up the issue of "legitimacy" in the Dem race.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 00:50:05
::: Joe Biden ::: yes.
;)
Raine on 03/13/2008 00:50:05
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
I sometimes wish I had access to the Lexis/Nexis Mosheen.
And I constantly wish I could share passwords! But, I'll piss them off anyway and email to 4F, a couple articles I pulled.
Any bail fund here?
;)
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 00:56:19
Raine on 03/13/2008 00:56:19
Faye, your ODe was AWESOME!!!!!!!!!1
and now, here we gowith KO's Special Comment.
and now, here we gowith KO's Special Comment.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 00:59:24
Raine on 03/13/2008 00:59:24
OMG, skewring. I am saddened that KO Has to do this to a Dem, but truthfully, he does.
And it is brutal...
And it is brutal...
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 01:02:52
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 01:02:52
I'm missing - what are KO's main points?
Do you think it will make a (positive) difference?
Do you think it will make a (positive) difference?
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 01:03:13
livingonli on 03/13/2008 01:03:13
I'm DVRing it so I can catch it when I get home tonight.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 01:10:21
Raine on 03/13/2008 01:10:21
Hillary cannot back down now. If she does, that means that needs to admit that she ... AS A WOMAN, made very bad choices. Somehow, I do not think most of America will tolerate that.
She put herself in a corner that allows her for very little wiggle room.
She allowed this geraldine fiasco to go on. HILLARY let that happen.
I mean, seriously, is Hillary going to blame her campaign managers? Who does she hold responsible for this crap, this crap that has happened time and time again in her campaign?
She put herself in a corner that allows her for very little wiggle room.
She allowed this geraldine fiasco to go on. HILLARY let that happen.
I mean, seriously, is Hillary going to blame her campaign managers? Who does she hold responsible for this crap, this crap that has happened time and time again in her campaign?
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 01:12:16
As soon as I get the Youtube, I will post it.
HE called hillary out on the racist tone of her campaign, it was really very good, and sad at the same time. KO called out a dem. :(
Raine on 03/13/2008 01:12:16
Quote by jd_in_ny:
I'm missing - what are KO's main points?
Do you think it will make a (positive) difference?
As soon as I get the Youtube, I will post it.
HE called hillary out on the racist tone of her campaign, it was really very good, and sad at the same time. KO called out a dem. :(
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 01:18:27
I've been saying "she's getting bad advice" since the beginning of the year, but over the past few weeks, it JUST KEEPS HAPPENING. I didn't like being told I was naive for voting for Obama, but... I think the "McCain and I have experience, Obama has a speech" was the straw that broke the camel's back, and now I fear that I'm overreacting to what seems like quite a bit of BS.
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 01:18:27
Quote by Raine:
Hillary cannot back down now. If she does, that means that needs to admit that she ... AS A WOMAN, made very bad choices. Somehow, I do not think most of America will tolerate that.
She put herself in a corner that allows her for very little wiggle room.
She allowed this geraldine fiasco to go on. HILLARY let that happen.
I mean, seriously, is Hillary going to blame her campaign managers? Who does she hold responsible for this crap, this crap that has happened time and time again in her campaign?
I've been saying "she's getting bad advice" since the beginning of the year, but over the past few weeks, it JUST KEEPS HAPPENING. I didn't like being told I was naive for voting for Obama, but... I think the "McCain and I have experience, Obama has a speech" was the straw that broke the camel's back, and now I fear that I'm overreacting to what seems like quite a bit of BS.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/13/2008 01:24:45
Mondobubba on 03/13/2008 01:24:45
:rofl: Watching a little of "Arrested Development" season 1
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 01:36:03
Raine on 03/13/2008 01:36:03
In the mean time, here is a litle dirt... This is Kristen from the Emporers club
No, I am not joking.
No, I am not joking.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 01:36:43
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 01:36:43
KO's special comment from tonight:
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 01:40:17
TriSec on 03/13/2008 01:40:17
Ah, what a dilemma we face as Democrats.
How many of us are going to hold our noses and vote for Hilary if she becomes the nominee just to stop a President McCain?
I haven't liked her for a long time, this just reinforces my feelings.
And the hell of it is, Sen. McCain can sit there above the fray and look demure and confident whilst us dems continue to snipe at each other. The biggest danger is going to be if this ends up a tie...half the party is going to be pissed off at the other half, and I don't think there's going to be a unified front going into the general election.
And how many disaffected Hilary or Barack supporters are going to vote for Nader or stay home as a result?
How many of us are going to hold our noses and vote for Hilary if she becomes the nominee just to stop a President McCain?
I haven't liked her for a long time, this just reinforces my feelings.
And the hell of it is, Sen. McCain can sit there above the fray and look demure and confident whilst us dems continue to snipe at each other. The biggest danger is going to be if this ends up a tie...half the party is going to be pissed off at the other half, and I don't think there's going to be a unified front going into the general election.
And how many disaffected Hilary or Barack supporters are going to vote for Nader or stay home as a result?
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 01:50:56
I do not think you are over reacting. This situation seems to be happening OVER and OVER again. It is starting to get insukting to me as a voter, and as a woman.
You cannot OVER react to crap like this, IMO. To many people don't re-act ENOUGH when they see ad feel something. This time, I have to say ENOUGH.
Hillary needs to decide what party she is a member of.
Raine on 03/13/2008 01:50:56
Quote by jd_in_ny:Quote by Raine:
Hillary cannot back down now. If she does, that means that needs to admit that she ... AS A WOMAN, made very bad choices. Somehow, I do not think most of America will tolerate that.
She put herself in a corner that allows her for very little wiggle room.
She allowed this geraldine fiasco to go on. HILLARY let that happen.
I mean, seriously, is Hillary going to blame her campaign managers? Who does she hold responsible for this crap, this crap that has happened time and time again in her campaign?
I've been saying "she's getting bad advice" since the beginning of the year, but over the past few weeks, it JUST KEEPS HAPPENING. I didn't like being told I was naive for voting for Obama, but... I think the "McCain and I have experience, Obama has a speech" was the straw that broke the camel's back, and now I fear that I'm overreacting to what seems like quite a bit of BS.
You cannot OVER react to crap like this, IMO. To many people don't re-act ENOUGH when they see ad feel something. This time, I have to say ENOUGH.
Hillary needs to decide what party she is a member of.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 01:54:35
Thanks!
Raine on 03/13/2008 01:54:35
Quote by Shane-O:
KO's special comment from tonight:
Thanks!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 02:13:23
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 02:13:23
Wow - Thanks Shane-O.
I got chills - KO was pissed.
I got chills - KO was pissed.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 02:23:44
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 02:23:44
I gotta say, that Special Comment - not my favorite.
I don't say that due to the subject matter (as a Dem) - but because I have that feeling that KO was holding back. There was more there that he wanted to say. Just my opinion.
It's funny, watching him nightly, you can tell when he's coming upon a new SC. It's like childbirth (minus the pain, of course) - but KO gets more and more visibly pissed off - and the "contractions" come closer and closer together. Then, boom, he gives birth to a new SC.
Silly metaphor - but watch for it. It's there...
I gotta get some sleepy time now.
Please, to all of you - have a great night!!!
I don't say that due to the subject matter (as a Dem) - but because I have that feeling that KO was holding back. There was more there that he wanted to say. Just my opinion.
It's funny, watching him nightly, you can tell when he's coming upon a new SC. It's like childbirth (minus the pain, of course) - but KO gets more and more visibly pissed off - and the "contractions" come closer and closer together. Then, boom, he gives birth to a new SC.
Silly metaphor - but watch for it. It's there...
I gotta get some sleepy time now.
Please, to all of you - have a great night!!!
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 03:29:32
livingonli on 03/13/2008 03:29:32
Did anyone see Lewis Black's new show?
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 04:11:59
Raine is off to bed.... But this is a serious quandry. I pray that we can fix this situation, and I seriously hopew that KO helped people figure it out tonite. and friends... (I REALLY mean that Unlike john McSaim.) see you in the AM.
Raine on 03/13/2008 04:11:59
Quote by TriSec: Ah, what a dilemma we face as Democrats. How many of us are going to hold our noses and vote for Hilary if she becomes the nominee just to stop a President McCain? I haven't liked her for a long time, this just reinforces my feelings. And the hell of it is, Sen. McCain can sit there above the fray and look demure and confident whilst us dems continue to snipe at each other. The biggest danger is going to be if this ends up a tie...half the party is going to be pissed off at the other half, and I don't think there's going to be a unified front going into the general election. And how many disaffected Hilary or Barack supporters are going to vote for Nader or stay home as a result?
and friends... (I REALLY mean that Unlike john McSaim.) see you in the AM.