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Stand for something, or fall for anything
Author: Raine    Date: 09/10/2012 16:17:53

 
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Malcolm X


I bring this quote up today, because I am truthfully bewildered. I posed a question last night on my Facebook page. I stated it was not rhetorical and was serious: Is there any issue that Romney has been steadfast about?

It was based on this post from Think Progress: Romney Says He Supports Popular Obamacare Provisions On NBC, Quietly Reverses Hours Later On Conservative Website. Wonkette takes the utterly bizarre happenings and breaks it down. He (and his campaign spokespeople) actually took 4 (FOUR) different positions regarding Pre-existing conditions in 12 hours yesterday. From Wonkette:
9 AM:
Romney told Gregory he “likes parts of” Obamacare, and that he would leave in place the prohibition against excluding people with pre-existing conditions and the policy that lets young adults stay on their parents’ insurance policies “up to whatever age they might like,” Romney said, rather unbelievably. “I say we’re going to replace Obamacare. And I’m replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people.”
11 AM:
The preexisting coverage plan would prevent re-rating of patients or exclusion of coverage if they go from an individually purchased plan to an employer plan or the reverse. (ERISA already protects those who move from one group plan to another.) For those first entering the insurance market, states will have the latitude to develop mechanisms such as high-risk pools for those hard-to-insure individuals.
4:55 PM
In reference to how Romney would deal with those with young adults who want to remain on their parents’ plans, a Romney aide responded that there had been no change in Romney’s position and that “in a competitive environment, the marketplace will make available plans that include coverage for what there is demand for. He was not proposing a federal mandate to require insurance plans to offer those particular features.”
9:45 PM
“Gov. Romney will ensure that discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage is prohibited,” the aide said.
That's one day one particular issue.

Then there is the issue of Medical Marijuana. Think Progress reports that his Vice presidential pick, Paul Ryan took 3 different positions about it over the weekend:
Mitt Romney promised to fight marijuana legalization “tooth and nail,” and he lost his cool with a Colorado reporter who asked him about the medical cannabis issue last May. So Ryan was forced to backtrack on Saturday, when a Ryan spokesperson claimed that Ryan “agrees with Mitt Romney that marijuana should never be legalized.”

In other words, Ryan woke up on Friday as a congressman with a firmly anti-marijuana voting record. He abandoned that view during a trip to a swing state where the marijuana issue is hot, and then backtracked the very next day. And he did this all in the very same weekend when he proclaimed that he did not vote for the defense cuts he recently voted for.
Those defense cuts are what is called "sequestration". On Saturday, Romney sat down for an interview with David Gregory that was aired on Sunday:
MITT ROMNEY: Well, I want to maintain defense spending at the current level of the GDP. I don’t want to keep bringing it down as the president’s doing. This sequestration idea of the White House, which is cutting our defense, I think is an extraordinary miscalculation in the wrong direction.

DAVID GREGORY: Republican leaders agreed to that deal to the extend the debt ceiling.

MITT ROMNEY: And that’s a big mistake. I thought it was a mistake on the part of the White House to propose it. I think it was a mistake for Republicans to go along with it.
Later that day, Paul Ryan, a member of the panel that decided to vote for sequestration gave an interview to Nora O'Donnell.
O’DONNELL: Now you’re criticizing the President for those same defense cuts you’re voting for and called a victory.

RYAN: No, no — I have to correct on you this, Norah. I voted for a mechanism that says the sequester will occur if we don’t cut $1.2 trillion in government. … We can get into this nomenclature; I voted for the Budget Control Act. But the Obama Administration proposed $478 billion in defense cuts. We don’t agree with that, our budget rejected that, and then on top of that is another $500 billion in defense cuts in the sequester.

O’DONNELL: Right. A trillion dollars in defense spending, and you voted for it!

RYAN: No, Norah. I voted for the Budget Control Act.

O’DONNELL: That included defense spending!

RYAN: Norah, you’re mistaken.
Nora wasn't mistaken. This is just one assessment of the Budget Control Act:
Joint Committee on Deficit Reduction The Budget Control Act establishes the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction to identify $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction over the period of fiscal years (FYs) 2012-2021. The joint committee is simply charged with achieving deficit reduction with no restrictions on how they accomplish the net reductions in the deficit. (snip)

Sequestration If the joint committee is unable to achieve$1.5 trillion in deficit reduction, then two things will happen. First, the amount of additional borrowing will be limited to $1.2 trillion rather than $1.5 trillion. Also, a sequestration process is triggered to cut spending cuts of $1.2 trillion if no deficit reduction is achieved by the joint committee or of the amount of the difference between the amount of deficit reduction achieved and $1.2 trillion.
He wasn't just a voting member of congress. He is the Chairman of the House Budget committee. This is his press release from November 2011, after the committee failed to reach a compromise that would lead to the trigger. This is what he is denying. Basically, Paul Ryan was for the sequestration, before he was against it. HE is definitely a member of the Romney campaign now. I wrote about the "trigger" in November 2012.

These two men can't even get their own stories straight. The do not know what they are representing. I don't think they truly know who they want to represent. They will lie to anyone about anything to look like they are trying to stand for something, and to be really honest, how can anyone believe anything they say? When I think of the Romney/Ryan campaign these days, this is what I think of:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/09/1966_Twister_Cover.jpg/275px-1966_Twister_Cover.jpg


The problem is - this isn't a game. This is about the direction of our nation and policies that affect people in a very literal sense.

Malcolm X said it first, but singer Aaron Tippin deserves a little credit as well. This song is running thru my head these days.



If Romney and Ryan don't stand for anything with any consistency, why would anyone think for one minute they would stand up for the middle class?

Maybe they really believe Americans are stupid enough to fall for anything. I don't believe that for one minute. Then again, I'm not Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan.

and
Raine
 

52 comments (Latest Comment: 09/10/2012 23:52:47 by Will in Chicago)
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Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 12:52:15
Yarrrrr! Good Morrrring!

Comment by Raine on 09/10/2012 12:57:05
Sorry guys, I actually had a good nights sleep for the first time in 4 days.

Blog will be coming up!

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 13:03:38
Quote by Raine:
Sorry guys, I actually had a good nights sleep for the first time in 4 days.

Blog will be coming up!



I'm glad to know I'm not the only one around here with sleep issues.

Comment by Scoopster on 09/10/2012 13:08:55
Mornin' all.. Another Mondee ugh..
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Sorry guys, I actually had a good nights sleep for the first time in 4 days.

Blog will be coming up!

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one around here with sleep issues.

My sleep pattern's been all over the place lately. I think my body knows that I've got to record everything for my sleep clinic visit next week!

Comment by wickedpam on 09/10/2012 13:18:06
Morning

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 13:36:01
Dear America,

If you are planning to have a website don't think it would be a good idea to have an internet connect at your home or office?

That is all.

Comment by Scoopster on 09/10/2012 14:14:21
I'd like to give a shout-out to the NFL Referees Union for sticking it out..

Also, hurry the fuck back guys. These replacement refs are FUCKING TERRIBLE!

Comment by Raine on 09/10/2012 14:16:02
http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2012/09/romney%20requires%20participation.jpg


Comment by BobR on 09/10/2012 14:20:47
Quote by Raine:
http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2012/09/romney%20requires%20participation.jpg

"photogenic minorities preferred"

Comment by wickedpam on 09/10/2012 14:25:07
Quote by Raine:
http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2012/09/romney%20requires%20participation.jpg



that's kinda sad

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 14:25:29
Quote by Raine:
http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2012/09/romney%20requires%20participation.jpg



Sota like getting that exit row seat on a plane.

Comment by Scoopster on 09/10/2012 14:27:23
Meanwhile in Florida.. I think this is a bit more than just Sections 104 & 105!



http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n592/tangerinestreet/crowdinflorida.jpg


Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 14:52:04



A little stirring song for you.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 14:52:38
Quote by Scoopster:
Meanwhile in Florida.. I think this is a bit more than just Sections 104 & 105!



http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n592/tangerinestreet/crowdinflorida.jpg



Well that makes sections 104 and 105 look like Storage Room B.

Comment by TriSec on 09/10/2012 15:13:37
No, you have to pay extra to sit in an exit row these days.

Do sections 104 & 105 have a twenty taped under the seat?



Comment by Scoopster on 09/10/2012 15:16:12
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 15:20:47
Quote by TriSec:
No, you have to pay extra to sit in an exit row these days.

Do sections 104 & 105 have a twenty taped under the seat?




Hey, it's Romney, not Oprah.

Comment by BobR on 09/10/2012 15:26:53
Comment by Scoopster on 09/10/2012 15:31:14
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/10/2012 15:41:21
Good morning, bloggers!!

I am going to hope that we see a lot more in the debates. Romney seems to be keeping an unusually low profile. So, I wonder if a lot of Republican Party insiders are preparing for 2016.

So, I wonder how Mitt and his allies are reacting to the information in this story from CNN:

Obama outraises Romney for first time in months
Posted by
CNN's Arielle Hawkins

(CNN) - President Barack Obama's re-election campaign and supporting committees brought in more than $114 million last month – the first time the incumbent has outraised his opponent, Gov. Mitt Romney, since April.

Obama’s Campaign Manager Jim Messina announced the figure for August late Sunday night.

omney’s campaign brought in $111 million last month.

But for three months in a row – June, July, August – Romney’s camp brought in more than $100 million, with $106 million in June and $101 million in July.

“No celebrating, because they're going to have an even bigger September. But now we know we can match them, doing this our way,” tweeted the Obama campaign.




Comment by wickedpam on 09/10/2012 15:41:30
Comment by TriSec on 09/10/2012 15:53:58
A little out-of-sorts this morning.

I had a Cub Scout recruiting rally at our "friendly" school (The new Principal at the bane of my existence school is a putz.)

In the office hours late....now playing catchup.

And look at Sunday's blog for my dismay over the LDS training materials.



Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 16:01:11
Morons at my company have crashed our email server. Every asshat has replied to all to an email letting people know the planned upgrades to the mail server have been completed. Good going guys! :rage:

It's not like I use Outlook at all.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/10/2012 16:03:27
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morons at my company have crashed our email server. Every asshat has replied to all to an email letting people know the planned upgrades to the mail server have been completed. Good going guys! :rage:

It's not like I use Outlook at all.


that's....a little... ironic .......


Comment by Raine on 09/10/2012 16:29:32
New Blog is up. It still needs edits, so go easy.

Comment by TriSec on 09/10/2012 16:59:46
Reading the blog....I posted Romney's healthcare position on FB myself yesterday with this..."Repeal" is different than "Keep Parts of".

And remember, Kerry was a flip-flopper. Romney has made enough to keep LL Bean supplied for the next four years, methinks. I gotta write that blog about what he did in Massachusetts...



Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 17:14:06
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morons at my company have crashed our email server. Every asshat has replied to all to an email letting people know the planned upgrades to the mail server have been completed. Good going guys! :rage:

It's not like I use Outlook at all.


that's....a little... ironic .......



Funny thing, I was sitting a table over from the mail server dude at lunch. People hitting reply all caused 30K email to be sent.

Comment by Scoopster on 09/10/2012 17:15:45
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morons at my company have crashed our email server. Every asshat has replied to all to an email letting people know the planned upgrades to the mail server have been completed. Good going guys! :rage:

It's not like I use Outlook at all.

that's....a little... ironic .......

Funny thing, I was sitting a table over from the mail server dude at lunch. People hitting reply all caused 30K email to be sent.



Comment by livingonli on 09/10/2012 17:19:28
Good day, everyone. I feel like I am dealing with my own sleep issues which don't help when you work until 2 AM and don't get to bed until almost 6 AM. Roomie's down in the Carolinas looking at new places so it's just me and the cat at home this week. I wonder if the Romney campaign just decides to reset the etch-a-sketch several times a day (and hope it doesn't break).

Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/10/2012 17:22:57
Raine, thanks for a great blog. What is amazing to me is that Romney and Ryan believe that no one will hold them to account for their past statements. They sound more like stereotypes of used car salesmen than people running for national office.

I think that the Obama campaign must be amused at the contradictions. However, one has to ask what policies Romney and Ryan will pursue. I suspect that their administration would merely be what Grover Norquist desires -- people who can just sign anything that he pushes through Congress.

With all these flip flops, I would suggest a new campaign headquarters for the Romney-Ryan campaign.:

http://www.upperplayground.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/9d29cef247les-la.jpg.jpg


Comment by BobR on 09/10/2012 17:33:54
Quote by TriSec:
Reading the blog....I posted Romney's healthcare position on FB myself yesterday with this..."Repeal" is different than "Keep Parts of".

And remember, Kerry was a flip-flopper. Romney has made enough to keep LL Bean supplied for the next four years, methinks. I gotta write that blog about what he did in Massachusetts...

I know Kerry was for the war before he was against it - because he was initially lied to about the evidence, and fell for the lie. Did he have any other flip-flops? (it's been 8 yrs and I don't really remember) Kerry didn't win that election, but not likely because of that.

Anyway, that kind of flip-flopping is amateur hour compared to Romney and Ryan. Changing their positions several times over the course of a few days is truly astounding.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/10/2012 17:37:18
Quote by BobR:
Quote by TriSec:
Reading the blog....I posted Romney's healthcare position on FB myself yesterday with this..."Repeal" is different than "Keep Parts of".

And remember, Kerry was a flip-flopper. Romney has made enough to keep LL Bean supplied for the next four years, methinks. I gotta write that blog about what he did in Massachusetts...

I know Kerry was for the war before he was against it - because he was initially lied to about the evidence, and fell for the lie. Did he have any other flip-flops? (it's been 8 yrs and I don't really remember) Kerry didn't win that election, but not likely because of that.

Anyway, that kind of flip-flopping is amateur hour compared to Romney and Ryan. Changing their positions several times over the course of a few days is truly astounding.



Changing positions within 12 hours is almost beyond belief. I think that the issue of credibility is something that Romney and Ryan will struggle with this fall.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 17:41:02
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morons at my company have crashed our email server. Every asshat has replied to all to an email letting people know the planned upgrades to the mail server have been completed. Good going guys! :rage:

It's not like I use Outlook at all.

that's....a little... ironic .......

Funny thing, I was sitting a table over from the mail server dude at lunch. People hitting reply all caused 30K email to be sent.




Yep. As the IT dude put it, "I can do pretty much anything, but I can't fix stupid."

Comment by TriSec on 09/10/2012 17:46:28
Quote by Mondobubba:



Yep. As the IT dude put it, "I can do pretty much anything, but I can't fix stupid."



This is where you should just pull the fire alarm and go home. (Not really, but you get my drift.)

Comment by TriSec on 09/10/2012 17:57:06
Question for the assembled:

Since my candidate lost to the Prick (who also disparaged my candidate's military service in a debate - I won't vote for that shit.), would it be spiteful of me to vote for the Republican?

(I know her personally....like I told folks this past weekend, I like her well enough, but I don't think any Republican should be making policy in this state.)

I guess I could always turn in a blank....or write in Joe's name.


Comment by Raine on 09/10/2012 17:59:26
This is pathetic.

HEY ROMNEY/RYAN : regarding Social Media: Your doing it the wrong way!!!!

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 18:02:42
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:



Yep. As the IT dude put it, "I can do pretty much anything, but I can't fix stupid."



This is where you should just pull the fire alarm and go home. (Not really, but you get my drift.)



Since he was at lunch, I kinda figured the crisis was averted.

Comment by Scoopster on 09/10/2012 18:06:47
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 18:11:37
re: Scoop and Raine's last posts:




Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 18:18:36
Inept is the word that comes to mind when it comes to the Romney/Ryan team

Comment by wickedpam on 09/10/2012 18:40:44
Quote by Mondobubba:
re: Scoop and Raine's last posts:





that was pretty much my thought too

Comment by Raine on 09/10/2012 19:15:34
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 19:21:42




I was thinking it was a dead cat bounce myself, but a picture is worth a thousand words.

Comment by BobR on 09/10/2012 19:22:10
Quote by TriSec:
Question for the assembled:

Since my candidate lost to the Prick (who also disparaged my candidate's military service in a debate - I won't vote for that shit.), would it be spiteful of me to vote for the Republican?

(I know her personally....like I told folks this past weekend, I like her well enough, but I don't think any Republican should be making policy in this state.)

I guess I could always turn in a blank....or write in Joe's name.

I would go the write-in route.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/10/2012 19:24:01
Comment by Raine on 09/10/2012 19:40:48
LOVING Randi today!



Comment by wickedpam on 09/10/2012 19:44:07
Quote by Mondobubba:




I was thinking it was a dead cat bounce myself, but a picture is worth a thousand words.





Comment by Raine on 09/10/2012 19:45:27
zOMG

Check this out: ‏
@HBK112
RT @MaddowBlog: Anybody else see this? RT @ATLjackie Look at this sweet irony: http://img.ly/n8Aq Aired during UGA game.






Comment by Raine on 09/10/2012 19:46:19
Quote by Raine:
zOMG

Check this out: ‏
@HBK112
RT @MaddowBlog: Anybody else see this? RT @ATLjackie Look at this sweet irony: http://img.ly/n8Aq Aired during UGA game.





http://s3.amazonaws.com/imgly_production/5514554/large.jpg


Comment by Raine on 09/10/2012 20:51:53
I am still trying to figure out everything with the Chicago Teachers strike. But I gotta say this: Romney should probably shut up about this.

He's taking the same stance as Rahm. He is siding with Rahm Emmanuel.

I would like for Will to chime in on this story.