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A Plague O' All Their Houses
Author: clintster
Date: 09/12/2012 17:24:07
Author's Note: In light of new information on the possible director of the film in question, I have made a couple of changes to the blog entry.
Eleven years ago yesterday, I woke from my bed, stumbled into the living room and turned on the television to see the World Trade Center on fire. My heart sank into my stomach, and as I saw the events of 9/11 unfold I said a silent prayer for peace and understanding. Granted it was only one of the emotions going through my mind at the time, but my overriding hope was that my fellow Americans would not succumb to hatred.
By and large, the people around me kept calm. Granted, there was considerable anger at Osama Bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban, but immediate condemnation of Islam was practically non-existent in my circle. Gradually, though, some people around me began to make straw men out of a religion and suggested harsh punishments for people who had no ties to the attacks aside from religious affiliation.
This morning, I woke up, looked at my smartphone and saw the news that there had been riots in Egypt and Libya. The riots had resulted in many deaths, including the US ambassador to Libya and several aides. Reaction to this incident in the US was swift. Blogs, pundits, and Facebook posters took a united stand and heaped their scorn upon the obvious target... President Obama.
How did the President get tangled in this? Good question. It came about because the US embassy in Cairo issued a statement condemning the violence. The statement ended with the following:
It sounds like something most every American could get behind, right? Wrong. Conservative websites, including Breitbart and the Daily Caller, twisted the statement to accuse the President of apologizing to Muslims. Facebook posters lit up with angry condemnations of President Obama's "weak handling" of the crisis. Mitt Romney jumped on the dog-pile and made a statement for himself. After expressing sympathy for the Americans killed in the riots, Romney criticized the President saying:
Looking back at the original statement, there was nothing in the way of an apology. The relevant passage (posted above) touted Americans' tolerance for other religious beliefs and criticized the use of freedom of speech to incite violence.
But what was the impetus for the violence and subsequent critiques? Turns out it is a film released earlier this year, Innocence of Muslims, the trailer for which is posted on YouTube. The film was allegedly released by a man named Sam Bacile, who has no previous film credits but directed and wrote this film knowing that it would cause an uproar in the Islamic world. NOTE: Since the original post, information has come to light showing "Sam Bacile" is a pseudonym (see comments) I watched parts of the trailer this morning (YouTube has apparently pulled the original trailer), and to call it amateurish would be an insult to amateurs.
Religiously based media incensing religious groups is not new. The Last Temptation of Christ, Corpus Christi, Piss Christ, The Satanic Verses, Mohammad, Messenger of God, South Park - all of these works have inspired outrage and condemnation at various times over the years. However, it should be noted that there were legitimate arguements of artistic merit or social commentary that could be made for each of these.
No such arguement can be made for Innocence of Muslims. It was created in hatred to spread hatred. It is interesting to note that one of "Bacile's" collaborators warned him that the film could turn him into "the next Theo van Gogh". van Gogh was assassinated in 2004 after releasing a film criticizing Muslims for what he saw as their cultural mistreatment of women. It could be argued that Submission had some cultural value despite the views of its director. No such arguement can be made for Innocence of Muslims. It is not art, critique or information; it is pure and simple racist propaganda, as horrible as Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
So now we have a situation in which aJewish fundamentalist has created a film specifically designed to inflame Islamic fundamentalists who have reacted by killing in protest, prompting the wrath and outrage of Christian fundamentalists. In a way, it seems far too convenient for this to not be planned somehow. The fact that Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who threatened to burn Korans last year on the anniversary of 9/11, has praised the film and plans to show the full trailer to his congregation, says a great deal about this crisis.
To the fundamentalists of all persuasions who have seen this as an opportunity to attack others based on their religions, I leave you with the (paraphrased) dying words of Mercutio, who was killed by Tybalt in an argument over Romeo's love for Juliet:
Eleven years ago yesterday, I woke from my bed, stumbled into the living room and turned on the television to see the World Trade Center on fire. My heart sank into my stomach, and as I saw the events of 9/11 unfold I said a silent prayer for peace and understanding. Granted it was only one of the emotions going through my mind at the time, but my overriding hope was that my fellow Americans would not succumb to hatred.
By and large, the people around me kept calm. Granted, there was considerable anger at Osama Bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban, but immediate condemnation of Islam was practically non-existent in my circle. Gradually, though, some people around me began to make straw men out of a religion and suggested harsh punishments for people who had no ties to the attacks aside from religious affiliation.
This morning, I woke up, looked at my smartphone and saw the news that there had been riots in Egypt and Libya. The riots had resulted in many deaths, including the US ambassador to Libya and several aides. Reaction to this incident in the US was swift. Blogs, pundits, and Facebook posters took a united stand and heaped their scorn upon the obvious target... President Obama.
How did the President get tangled in this? Good question. It came about because the US embassy in Cairo issued a statement condemning the violence. The statement ended with the following:
Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.
It sounds like something most every American could get behind, right? Wrong. Conservative websites, including Breitbart and the Daily Caller, twisted the statement to accuse the President of apologizing to Muslims. Facebook posters lit up with angry condemnations of President Obama's "weak handling" of the crisis. Mitt Romney jumped on the dog-pile and made a statement for himself. After expressing sympathy for the Americans killed in the riots, Romney criticized the President saying:
I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt, instead of condemning their actions.
Looking back at the original statement, there was nothing in the way of an apology. The relevant passage (posted above) touted Americans' tolerance for other religious beliefs and criticized the use of freedom of speech to incite violence.
But what was the impetus for the violence and subsequent critiques? Turns out it is a film released earlier this year, Innocence of Muslims, the trailer for which is posted on YouTube. The film was allegedly released by a man named Sam Bacile, who has no previous film credits but directed and wrote this film knowing that it would cause an uproar in the Islamic world. NOTE: Since the original post, information has come to light showing "Sam Bacile" is a pseudonym (see comments) I watched parts of the trailer this morning (YouTube has apparently pulled the original trailer), and to call it amateurish would be an insult to amateurs.
Religiously based media incensing religious groups is not new. The Last Temptation of Christ, Corpus Christi, Piss Christ, The Satanic Verses, Mohammad, Messenger of God, South Park - all of these works have inspired outrage and condemnation at various times over the years. However, it should be noted that there were legitimate arguements of artistic merit or social commentary that could be made for each of these.
No such arguement can be made for Innocence of Muslims. It was created in hatred to spread hatred. It is interesting to note that one of "Bacile's" collaborators warned him that the film could turn him into "the next Theo van Gogh". van Gogh was assassinated in 2004 after releasing a film criticizing Muslims for what he saw as their cultural mistreatment of women. It could be argued that Submission had some cultural value despite the views of its director. No such arguement can be made for Innocence of Muslims. It is not art, critique or information; it is pure and simple racist propaganda, as horrible as Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
So now we have a situation in which a
To the fundamentalists of all persuasions who have seen this as an opportunity to attack others based on their religions, I leave you with the (paraphrased) dying words of Mercutio, who was killed by Tybalt in an argument over Romeo's love for Juliet:
A plague o' all your houses!
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 12:58:34
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 12:58:34
So which gang of islamophobic asshats have the blood of their fellow Americans on their bigoted hands this morning. Do they even realize that they caused this violence?
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/12/2012 13:02:06
TriSec on 09/12/2012 13:02:06
Morning, folks. I'm already tangling on the Book of Face with the RWNM. "We're attacked and the President Apologized!!!" is the meme of the day.
In another place....this would be an act of war. Would President Romney have already lobbed some missiles their way?
In another place....this would be an act of war. Would President Romney have already lobbed some missiles their way?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:04:10
Oh really? I wasn't aware of any statements from POTUS.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:04:10
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, folks. I'm already tangling on the Book of Face with the RWNM. "We're attacked and the President Apologized!!!" is the meme of the day.
In another place....this would be an act of war. Would President Romney have already lobbed some missiles their way?
Oh really? I wasn't aware of any statements from POTUS.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 13:09:51
only White House statement I've heard is condemning the violence
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 13:09:51
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Morning, folks. I'm already tangling on the Book of Face with the RWNM. "We're attacked and the President Apologized!!!" is the meme of the day.
In another place....this would be an act of war. Would President Romney have already lobbed some missiles their way?
Oh really? I wasn't aware of any statements from POTUS.
only White House statement I've heard is condemning the violence
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 13:17:14
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 13:17:14
BTW - Morning 
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2012 13:21:34
Breitbart.
Y'all will excuse me while I pour bleach on my keyboard.
TriSec on 09/12/2012 13:21:34
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh really? I wasn't aware of any statements from POTUS.
Breitbart.
Y'all will excuse me while I pour bleach on my keyboard.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:21:44
Clearly that is apologizing! POTUS didn't do any violent saber rattling which the only thing them there towelheaded camel jockeys understand.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:21:44
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Morning, folks. I'm already tangling on the Book of Face with the RWNM. "We're attacked and the President Apologized!!!" is the meme of the day.
In another place....this would be an act of war. Would President Romney have already lobbed some missiles their way?
Oh really? I wasn't aware of any statements from POTUS.
only White House statement I've heard is condemning the violence
Clearly that is apologizing! POTUS didn't do any violent saber rattling which the only thing them there towelheaded camel jockeys understand.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:24:30
I mean a real news source. Not this right wing nutjobbery.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:24:30
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh really? I wasn't aware of any statements from POTUS.
Breitbart.
Y'all will excuse me while I pour bleach on my keyboard.
I mean a real news source. Not this right wing nutjobbery.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2012 13:28:51
Well, that's what the trolls are pushing on FB right now.
TriSec on 09/12/2012 13:28:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
I mean a real news source. Not this right wing nutjobbery.
Well, that's what the trolls are pushing on FB right now.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2012 13:32:19
TriSec on 09/12/2012 13:32:19
Right, and to back up the Breitbart, my friend has steered me to Michelle Malkin's website.
Yeah, OK. Sure.
Yeah, OK. Sure.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:34:17
Michelle Malkin! Slowly I turned.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:34:17
Quote by TriSec:
Right, and to back up the Breitbart, my friend has steered me to Michelle Malkin's website.
Yeah, OK. Sure.
Michelle Malkin! Slowly I turned.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:39:01
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 13:39:01
Let me address the meme. The US was not "attacked." Attacks are planned provocations. Riots are not planned.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 13:54:42
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 13:54:42
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 14:03:21
Beaver stack!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 14:03:21
Quote by wickedpam:
just going to post this here.....
Rabid Beaver Chases Children in Fairfax
Beaver stack!
Comment by 
Raine on 09/12/2012 14:31:14
Raine on 09/12/2012 14:31:14
Good Morning. 
What a mess to wake up to.
What a mess to wake up to.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 14:56:47
Beaver attacks, riots in Lybia or rwlm over reaction?
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 14:56:47
Quote by Raine:
Good Morning.
What a mess to wake up to.
Beaver attacks, riots in Lybia or rwlm over reaction?
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 14:58:02
Raine on 09/12/2012 14:58:02
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Good Morning.
What a mess to wake up to.
Beaver attacks, riots in Lybia or rwlm over reaction?
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:00:28
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:00:28
... 
Clint just posted this on FB. I think it sums things up:
Clint just posted this on FB. I think it sums things up: So let me get this straight. A Jewish fundamentalist makes a film specifically designed to inflame Islamic fundamentalists who go out and kill to defend their faith, thus prompting Christian fundamentalists to declare that we should kill the Muslims. A pox on all your houses.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:02:57
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:02:57
Who the Fluk is Mitt Romney to talk about mixed messages?
-- slow simmer ---
-- slow simmer ---
Comment by clintster on 09/12/2012 15:08:50
Thanks, Raine. I've actually been putting together a blog post in my mind. Maybe I'll write all these thoughts out shortly.
clintster on 09/12/2012 15:08:50
Quote by Raine:
...So let me get this straight. A Jewish fundamentalist makes a film specifically designed to inflame Islamic fundamentalists who go out and kill to defend their faith, thus prompting Christian fundamentalists to declare that we should kill the Muslims. A pox on all your houses.
Thanks, Raine. I've actually been putting together a blog post in my mind. Maybe I'll write all these thoughts out shortly.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:09:09
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:09:09
I'm gonna say this...
Something SMELLS with this entire situation.
Something SMELLS with this entire situation.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:09:43
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:09:43
Is September the NEW October for surprises? Does this remind you AT ALL of a certain October in IRan many years ago?
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:10:27
Go for it. Bobber is still having issues with his computer. Either way, go for it.
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:10:27
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
...So let me get this straight. A Jewish fundamentalist makes a film specifically designed to inflame Islamic fundamentalists who go out and kill to defend their faith, thus prompting Christian fundamentalists to declare that we should kill the Muslims. A pox on all your houses.
Thanks, Raine. I've actually been putting together a blog post in my mind. Maybe I'll write all these thoughts out shortly.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2012 15:21:50
TriSec on 09/12/2012 15:21:50
Alright gang...I'm headed out for my toxin infusion.
Tonight is our first Troop Meeting, so I will be back much, much later.
Tonight is our first Troop Meeting, so I will be back much, much later.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:21:53
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:21:53
Ineed help. Does ANYONE know who this filmaker is?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:27:48
Have fun storming the castle!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:27:48
Quote by TriSec:
Alright gang...I'm headed out for my toxin infusion.
Tonight is our first Troop Meeting, so I will be back much, much later.
Have fun storming the castle!
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/12/2012 15:30:23
Scoopster on 09/12/2012 15:30:23
Mornin' all 
HOOOOO BOY Romney's stepped in it big time. He just got OWNED on foreign policy! 
Raine : This should help in regards to the film. The guy behind promoting it is that insane Quran-burning preacher from Florida.
HOOOOO BOY Romney's stepped in it big time. He just got OWNED on foreign policy! Raine : This should help in regards to the film. The guy behind promoting it is that insane Quran-burning preacher from Florida.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:31:00
Bobber posted something on the Book of the Face from TPM that implicates our Muslim baiting pal, Pastor Terry Jones. He didn't make it but he promoted the crap out of.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:31:00
Quote by Raine:
Ineed help. Does ANYONE know who this filmaker is?
Bobber posted something on the Book of the Face from TPM that implicates our Muslim baiting pal, Pastor Terry Jones. He didn't make it but he promoted the crap out of.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 15:31:46
Sam Bacile - just that he's Israeli living in California - Google only brings up the mess he's caused. No IMDB creds. Nothing
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 15:31:46
Quote by Raine:
Ineed help. Does ANYONE know who this filmaker is?
Sam Bacile - just that he's Israeli living in California - Google only brings up the mess he's caused. No IMDB creds. Nothing
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:32:32
Terry Jones is promoting it. The maker of the film is who I am looking for.
And Romney is a douchbag. WHO THE FUCK SMILES AFTER SHIT LIKE THIS??? (Am still in very bad mood, btw)
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:32:32
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all
Raine : This should help in regards to the film. The guy behind it is that insane Quran-burning preacher from Florida.
And Romney is a douchbag. WHO THE FUCK SMILES AFTER SHIT LIKE THIS??? (Am still in very bad mood, btw)
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:32:54
On behalf of the state of Florida, I apologize for Terry Jones. The vast majority of the state does not cotton to his extermist, hate filled version of "Christianity."
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:32:54
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all
Raine : This should help in regards to the film. The guy behind it is that insane Quran-burning preacher from Florida.
On behalf of the state of Florida, I apologize for Terry Jones. The vast majority of the state does not cotton to his extermist, hate filled version of "Christianity."
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:33:30
Thank you Mala!
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:33:30
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Ineed help. Does ANYONE know who this filmaker is?
Sam Bacile - just that he's Israeli living in California - Google only brings up the mess he's caused. No IMDB creds. Nothing
Thank you Mala!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:38:30
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:38:30
Now it's time to connect the dots...
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:40:23
Hmmm....
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:40:23
He said he financed the film with $5 million from 100 Jewish donors who he refused to identify. Little is available online about his business past. For what it's worth, Google is mystified by search queries for real estate developers by the name of Sam Bacile ("Did you mean: sam basel" it asks, pointing to a Colorado real estate developer).
Comment by clintster on 09/12/2012 15:40:48
Here's an article from Yahoo. I think he's a "filmmaker" in the same way that I am an astronaut.
clintster on 09/12/2012 15:40:48
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Ineed help. Does ANYONE know who this filmaker is?
Sam Bacile - just that he's Israeli living in California - Google only brings up the mess he's caused. No IMDB creds. Nothing
Here's an article from Yahoo. I think he's a "filmmaker" in the same way that I am an astronaut.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:46:02
Something on the Brietbart's site said it was some Coptic Christians. But it that asshat so...
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:46:02
Quote by Raine:Terry Jones is promoting it. The maker of the film is who I am looking for.Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all
Raine : This should help in regards to the film. The guy behind it is that insane Quran-burning preacher from Florida.
And Romney is a douchbag. WHO THE FUCK SMILES AFTER SHIT LIKE THIS??? (Am still in very bad mood, btw)
Something on the Brietbart's site said it was some Coptic Christians. But it that asshat so...
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 15:50:09
Check out the article I linked below
This guy is being funded -- and it smalls ALL over of a political stunt -- a deadly one. This is a set up. and I think we will find out who is behind it.
Raine on 09/12/2012 15:50:09
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Terry Jones is promoting it. The maker of the film is who I am looking for.Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all
Raine : This should help in regards to the film. The guy behind it is that insane Quran-burning preacher from Florida.
And Romney is a douchbag. WHO THE FUCK SMILES AFTER SHIT LIKE THIS??? (Am still in very bad mood, btw)
Something on the Brietbart's site said it was some Coptic Christians. But it that asshat so...
This guy is being funded -- and it smalls ALL over of a political stunt -- a deadly one. This is a set up. and I think we will find out who is behind it.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 15:50:24
one word for that pix - Smug.
That was a Dana Loesh bit so I don't know how true that is
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 15:50:24
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Terry Jones is promoting it. The maker of the film is who I am looking for.Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all
Raine : This should help in regards to the film. The guy behind it is that insane Quran-burning preacher from Florida.
And Romney is a douchbag. WHO THE FUCK SMILES AFTER SHIT LIKE THIS??? (Am still in very bad mood, btw)
Something on the Brietbart's site said it was some Coptic Christians. But it that asshat so...
one word for that pix - Smug.
That was a Dana Loesh bit so I don't know how true that is
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:59:00
I don't think it is a political stun gone wrong. Bacile & Jones have the blood of Americans on their hands. :rms: Nice!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 15:59:00
Quote by Raine:Check out the article I linked belowQuote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Terry Jones is promoting it. The maker of the film is who I am looking for.Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all
Raine : This should help in regards to the film. The guy behind it is that insane Quran-burning preacher from Florida.
And Romney is a douchbag. WHO THE FUCK SMILES AFTER SHIT LIKE THIS??? (Am still in very bad mood, btw)
Something on the Brietbart's site said it was some Coptic Christians. But it that asshat so...
This guy is being funded -- and it smalls ALL over of a political stunt -- a deadly one. This is a set up. and I think we will find out who is behind it.
I don't think it is a political stun gone wrong. Bacile & Jones have the blood of Americans on their hands. :rms: Nice!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 15:59:20
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 15:59:20
Sam Bacile youtube was only created on 4/4/12.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 16:02:58
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 16:02:58
this guy is no where with that name with that spelling
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 16:11:20
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 16:11:20
I am stunned by the events in Egypt and Libya, but I expect Romney and the right to make political hay out of this. It is disgusting but predictable.
We have people who want violence, who want to bring about war between the West and the Muslim world. Some do so for various reasons. Some right wing Christians want a war where Israel expands, and provokes events that will bring their Messiah to Earth. Some right wing Jews want a Greater Israel with larger borders. So, one is willing to use the other for their own ends, even while they disagree on theology.
In Nicole Sandler's chatroom, there was a tea party person arguing that Obama should not have supported a protest in her words lead by radical Muslim elements. She also believed that teachers in Chicago had a right to strike but should be fired immediately.
I don't think we can reason with some people any more. Maybe we should just put our positions out there and realize that there are some people whom we can no more reach than my stretching out my hands will reach the moon.
Mitt Romney ignored a statement meant to try to calm violence, and instead tried to portray the president as someone who wants America to look weak. He ignored when the statement by the embassy was released.
That smirk by Romney may doom him in the eyes of many voters. Americans died today, and Romney walked away with a smile.
We have people who want violence, who want to bring about war between the West and the Muslim world. Some do so for various reasons. Some right wing Christians want a war where Israel expands, and provokes events that will bring their Messiah to Earth. Some right wing Jews want a Greater Israel with larger borders. So, one is willing to use the other for their own ends, even while they disagree on theology.
In Nicole Sandler's chatroom, there was a tea party person arguing that Obama should not have supported a protest in her words lead by radical Muslim elements. She also believed that teachers in Chicago had a right to strike but should be fired immediately.
I don't think we can reason with some people any more. Maybe we should just put our positions out there and realize that there are some people whom we can no more reach than my stretching out my hands will reach the moon.
Mitt Romney ignored a statement meant to try to calm violence, and instead tried to portray the president as someone who wants America to look weak. He ignored when the statement by the embassy was released.
That smirk by Romney may doom him in the eyes of many voters. Americans died today, and Romney walked away with a smile.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 16:19:31
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 16:19:31
I am listening to Ed Schultz play the statements by President Obama and Governor Romney. Romney should have stopped at comforting the families of the victims.
Perhaps Romney should take responsibility for all statements made by his surrogates. The embassy did not apologize for our values -- rather an embassy tried to calm the violence.
I wonder if we are so divided as a nation that unity is going to be next to impossible to achieve. Many people seem to live in alternate realities, where facts are fluid.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are adults in the room, while Romney and his allies seem to show that they do not understand how to respond to a crisis and a tragedy.
Perhaps Romney should take responsibility for all statements made by his surrogates. The embassy did not apologize for our values -- rather an embassy tried to calm the violence.
I wonder if we are so divided as a nation that unity is going to be next to impossible to achieve. Many people seem to live in alternate realities, where facts are fluid.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are adults in the room, while Romney and his allies seem to show that they do not understand how to respond to a crisis and a tragedy.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2012 16:22:24
Scoopster on 09/12/2012 16:22:24
Hilarious.. they're comparing Romney's comments today to McCain's "fundamentals of the economy are strong" remarks and his attempt to 'suspend the presidential campaign' before the debates back in 2008.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 16:29:17
This may even be more disastrous, Scoopster. People died today. Do you have a link?
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 16:29:17
Quote by Scoopster:
Hilarious.. they're comparing Romney's comments today to McCain's "fundamentals of the economy are strong" remarks and his attempt to 'suspend the presidential campaign' before the debates back in 2008.
This may even be more disastrous, Scoopster. People died today. Do you have a link?
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2012 16:33:28
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/foreign-policy-hands-voice-disbelief-at-romney-cai
..this among the various comments from members of the press wondering what the hell he was thinking.
Scoopster on 09/12/2012 16:33:28
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Scoopster:
Hilarious.. they're comparing Romney's comments today to McCain's "fundamentals of the economy are strong" remarks and his attempt to 'suspend the presidential campaign' before the debates back in 2008.
This may even be more disastrous, Scoopster. People died today. Do you have a link?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/foreign-policy-hands-voice-disbelief-at-romney-cai
..this among the various comments from members of the press wondering what the hell he was thinking.
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/12/2012 16:38:20
livingonli on 09/12/2012 16:38:20
Good day, everyone. If the right is going to try and exploit this for political purposes, it better blow up in their faces and hopefully the corporate press would do its job and actually point out that Obama did not say what the right-wing is claiming he said (although I would expect Fixed Noise to continue the bullshit since they are purely a propaganda arm of the GOP).
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 16:41:53
It is already happening. Take a look at this from Raw Story:
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 16:41:53
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, everyone. If the right is going to try and exploit this for political purposes, it better blow up in their faces and hopefully the corporate press would do its job and actually point out that Obama did not say what the right-wing is claiming he said (although I would expect Fixed Noise to continue the bullshit since they are purely a propaganda arm of the GOP).
It is already happening. Take a look at this from Raw Story:
Chuck Todd: Romney ‘outrageous’ and ‘irresponsible’ for politicizing U.S. deaths in Libya
On Tuesday morning, MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell observed that the Romney campaign would have been better off “to say nothing because the fact is if you say something responsible and careful, it’s just going to be ignored. The only thing that will get attention is if you say something stupid, which is what they’ve managed to do.â€
“The only way to get attention is to say something a little outrageous,†MSNBC host Chuck Todd agreed. “And I have to say, I am stunned they put out this release when they did, before we knew all the facts, before daybreak, before we know for sure whether there are going to be protests that spread around the world.â€
“It seemed to be an irresponsible thing to do,†he added. “And it’s one that I’m fascinated to see this morning that the Romney campaign, no mention. Suddenly they put out a debt statement. I have a feeling they wish they had that moment back, they wish they had that statement back. I understand where they feel like they are, they are chasing news cycles right now and they feel as if they have to be involved in every news cycle and every event if the president is involved in order to look on equal footing. But that was a bad mistake they made last night.â€
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2012 16:44:50
Wat..
Scoopster on 09/12/2012 16:44:50
Wat.."America can’t afford any more 'leading from behind' in such a dangerous world," Palin wrote in a Facebook post. "We already know that President Obama likes to 'speak softly' to our enemies. If he doesn’t have a 'big stick' to carry, maybe it’s time for him to grow one."
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 16:45:48
Thanks!
As you can see I am going down the rabbit hole with this one. it a good distraction for me today. 
Raine on 09/12/2012 16:45:48
Quote by wickedpam:
Sam Bacile youtube was only created on 4/4/12.
As you can see I am going down the rabbit hole with this one.
it a good distraction for me today.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 16:52:18
Raine on 09/12/2012 16:52:18
What I find amazing is that this film doesn't appear to have a WEBSITE.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2012 16:55:28
Scoopster on 09/12/2012 16:55:28
LOL my friend on IRC just said "Romney's campaign is so dead that he's about to baptize it." 
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 16:55:37
what film these days doesn't have a website - heck even the smallest indie has at least a FB page - there's nothing.
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 16:55:37
Quote by Raine:
What I find amazing is that this film doesn't appear to have a WEBSITE.
what film these days doesn't have a website - heck even the smallest indie has at least a FB page - there's nothing.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2012 16:57:01
livingonli on 09/12/2012 16:57:01
Sam Bacile is trending on twitter. Don't know if that means information will be posted.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 16:59:41
BAZINGA!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 16:59:41
Quote by Scoopster:
LOL my friend on IRC just said "Romney's campaign is so dead that he's about to baptize it."
BAZINGA!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 17:00:16
does he have a twitter account - he didn't have a FB. There is a G+ but its blank
I think Raine's right - this is sketchy
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 17:00:16
Quote by livingonli:
Sam Bacile is trending on twitter. Don't know if that means information will be posted.
does he have a twitter account - he didn't have a FB. There is a G+ but its blank
I think Raine's right - this is sketchy
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:00:28
Oh Sarah, you are letting you Jungle Fever fantasy show!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:00:28
Quote by Scoopster:
"America can’t afford any more 'leading from behind' in such a dangerous world," Palin wrote in a Facebook post. "We already know that President Obama likes to 'speak softly' to our enemies. If he doesn’t have a 'big stick' to carry, maybe it’s time for him to grow one."
Oh Sarah, you are letting you Jungle Fever fantasy show!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:06:40
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:06:40
I've got another 2 cents to toss in on this mess. The right wing thinks this stuff is fine, even when someone gets hurt, Then they contiue to justify this craziness by blaming others. These people are called sociopaths I think.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 17:08:54
Local pizza shops have websites or at least a Facebook presence. Something is weird here.
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 17:08:54
Quote by Raine:
What I find amazing is that this film doesn't appear to have a WEBSITE.
Local pizza shops have websites or at least a Facebook presence. Something is weird here.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2012 17:09:11
livingonli on 09/12/2012 17:09:11
I just hope Romney ends up getting crushed worse than Goldwater did in '64.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:10:55
Not everybody does social media. Especially when you are producing video that is designed to offend and inflame the sensibilites of a billion or so people.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:10:55
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
What I find amazing is that this film doesn't appear to have a WEBSITE.
Local pizza shops have websites or at least a Facebook presence. Something is weird here.
Not everybody does social media. Especially when you are producing video that is designed to offend and inflame the sensibilites of a billion or so people.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 17:12:28
We are seeing behavior that is completely irresponsible. I would love to have a psychiatrist chime in on these remarks.
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 17:12:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
I've got another 2 cents to toss in on this mess. The right wing thinks this stuff is fine, even when someone gets hurt, Then they contiue to justify this craziness by blaming others. These people are called sociopaths I think.
We are seeing behavior that is completely irresponsible. I would love to have a psychiatrist chime in on these remarks.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 17:12:31
Does the name Morris Sadek sound familiar?
He's also part of this tangled web. I will repeat this again: this is not happening in a vacuum. This has been carefully planned.
And you guys know, I don't say that lightly. Back to research!
Raine on 09/12/2012 17:12:31
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
What I find amazing is that this film doesn't appear to have a WEBSITE.
Local pizza shops have websites or at least a Facebook presence. Something is weird here.
He's also part of this tangled web. I will repeat this again: this is not happening in a vacuum. This has been carefully planned.
And you guys know, I don't say that lightly. Back to research!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 17:14:55
Sam Bacile does not exist, IMO.
And believe me when I say this, this reminds me of what happened to Valerie Plame.
And Jimmy Carter.
Raine on 09/12/2012 17:14:55
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Sam Bacile is trending on twitter. Don't know if that means information will be posted.
does he have a twitter account - he didn't have a FB. There is a G+ but its blank
I think Raine's right - this is sketchy
And believe me when I say this, this reminds me of what happened to Valerie Plame.
And Jimmy Carter.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 17:15:25
HA!
Raine on 09/12/2012 17:15:25
Quote by Scoopster:
LOL my friend on IRC just said "Romney's campaign is so dead that he's about to baptize it."
HA!
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2012 17:21:55
In the case of Carter, I do believe that Poppy Bush and Casey cut a deal with the Iranians to delay the release of the hostages until after the election to insure Carter's defeat. And as a result, the Iranians could blackmail resulting in the arms sales that culminated in the Iran-Contra Scandal.
livingonli on 09/12/2012 17:21:55
Quote by Raine:Sam Bacile does not exist, IMO.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Sam Bacile is trending on twitter. Don't know if that means information will be posted.
does he have a twitter account - he didn't have a FB. There is a G+ but its blank
I think Raine's right - this is sketchy
And believe me when I say this, this reminds me of what happened to Valerie Plame.
And Jimmy Carter.
In the case of Carter, I do believe that Poppy Bush and Casey cut a deal with the Iranians to delay the release of the hostages until after the election to insure Carter's defeat. And as a result, the Iranians could blackmail resulting in the arms sales that culminated in the Iran-Contra Scandal.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:24:55
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:24:55
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
LOL my friend on IRC just said "Romney's campaign is so dead that he's about to baptize it."
Comment by clintster on 09/12/2012 17:25:42
clintster on 09/12/2012 17:25:42
BTW, blog post on this situation is now up.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:48:59
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 17:48:59
Well said Clintster>
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 18:00:14
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 18:00:14
Clint, well said!
I am not familiar with Sam Bacile, and have never heard of him. (For the record, I have never heard of any Jewish or Israeli person named Bacile.) Morris Sadek who has promoted the film also has a role to play in this film. I wonder if Bacile produced the film or if Sadek did or if someone else is responsible. I can find more on a local restaurant than I can on Bacile.
We must reject calls to hatred and violence. I have known people of many faiths, and I find hatred to be something that we do not need in this country or this world.
I am not familiar with Sam Bacile, and have never heard of him. (For the record, I have never heard of any Jewish or Israeli person named Bacile.) Morris Sadek who has promoted the film also has a role to play in this film. I wonder if Bacile produced the film or if Sadek did or if someone else is responsible. I can find more on a local restaurant than I can on Bacile.
We must reject calls to hatred and violence. I have known people of many faiths, and I find hatred to be something that we do not need in this country or this world.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 18:06:35
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 18:06:35
Amy Goodman of Democracy Now had an interview with two people who can offer some insights into what happened in Libya and Egypt. There is a lot of jockeying for power on the ground. However, there was a rally today remembering ambassador Christopher Stevens by Libyans.
U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed as Anti-Islam Film Inflames "Repressed Social Forces" Post-Gaddafi
The U.S. ambassador to Libya has been killed along with three other embassy staff after protesters stormed a consular building denouncing an American-made film insulting the Prophet Muhammad. Ambassador Christopher Stevens is reportedly the first U.S. envoy to be killed abroad in more than two decades. We’re joined from Benghazi by Libyan activist and journalist Nizar Sarieldin, and also speak to Vijay Prashad, professor at Trinity College and author of "Arab Spring, Libyan Winter"
......
NIZAR SARIELDIN: Confusion is looming, and everybody is actually worried, especially from these groups, because they are starting took to a little bit control and take actions, especially with this security void and political void. There has been call and demos and—against these groups, but 'til now the state is doing nothing to control them or to arrest them. And this is what worries everybody here in Benghazi. They're not comfortable with them. And today there is a demonstration for Chris, and not only for Chris, and for the security here and against those groups, so we are hoping that it will be big. Everyone is depressed about this news. I talked to a lot of people. There were not really comfortable. They couldn’t sleep all night, because they’re really worried about their families, their security and everything.
AMY GOODMAN: And when you say "Chris," you’re referring to the U.S. ambassador, Christopher Stevens, who was killed last night. We’re talking to Nizar Sarieldin. He is in Benghazi right now. We are also joined by Vijay Prashad, professor at Trinity College. His latest book, Arab Spring, Libyan Winter. As you learn this news, your reaction to what’s taken place in Libya, Professor Prashad?
VIJAY PRASHAD: Well, obviously, the first thing is, this is not a very, you know, surprising event to me. It’s a very sad event. It’s very sad when there’s violence of this kind. Chris Stevens was a career Foreign Service officer. He had been in the Peace Corps. He also was in Benghazi in 2011 at the start of the February revolution. He had been deputed there by the U.S. State Department. So he has had a long relationship with Libya. But it’s not surprising, Amy, because there are social forces inside Libya that have been suppressed and are seeking to have some kind of outlet.
You know, in Benghazi itself, this is not the first incident of this kind. In 2006, during the high point of the Danish cartoon controversy, there was a demonstration of more than a thousand people in front of the Italian consulate, because an Italian minister, Roberto Calderoli, had worn a T-shirt, very insulting, which had that Danish cartoon on it. At that demonstration, the Gaddafi regime opened fire on the crowd, killed 11 people. And that was on February 17th, 2006. Because of that firing on the crowd, several human rights activists—Fathi Terbil, Idris al-Mesmari, people like that—had become politicized. And it was for the fifth anniversary of that police firing by the Gaddafi regime, on February 17, 2011, that people like Terbil had planned demonstrations in Benghazi, the fifth anniversary, to commemorate the Gaddafi shooting against this crowd. And the spur, as it were, of the anti-Gaddafi rebellion last year was essentially around the commemoration of the shooting in Benghazi in 2006.
So, there are social forces in Libya that have had a sense of being humiliated and suppressed. Many of them, you know, have, in a sense, the framework of Islamism. But I don’t think we should fully, you know, make this a situation where we say, "Well, these are, you know, far-right, radical, dangerous, al-Qaeda," things like that. You know, sure, there were black flags, but I think there’s an exaggeration of the black flag used in these demonstrations both in Cairo and in Benghazi. You know, the black flag, for instance, is not only a symbol of al-Qaeda, as people have been saying in the American media, but it has become a routine flag of Islamists. You know, at the storming of the Cairo embassy, it was not just Islamists, it was also the Ultras, the football group that had played a significant role in the Tahrir Square rebellion in Egypt. But there is a section of the population that is feeling, in a sense, you know, marginalized. They have no political voice. There’s a section that feels that the election, where, you know, the rules of the election may not have fully allowed them to put forward their own position. So, there is a complicated social section that I think we need to consider its history, its role, and I think it’s continuing an enduring sense that it has no voice. I don’t think arresting a lot of people or shooting people in these demonstrations is going to quell that social section. It needs to have a political voice.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 18:13:21
I think you will find many of the same characters involved with both situation are the same people.
Most of those proteges are now working for the Romney campaign.... you watch. You'll see.
Raine on 09/12/2012 18:13:21
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Sam Bacile does not exist, IMO.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Sam Bacile is trending on twitter. Don't know if that means information will be posted.
does he have a twitter account - he didn't have a FB. There is a G+ but its blank
I think Raine's right - this is sketchy
And believe me when I say this, this reminds me of what happened to Valerie Plame.
And Jimmy Carter.
In the case of Carter, I do believe that Poppy Bush and Casey cut a deal with the Iranians to delay the release of the hostages until after the election to insure Carter's defeat. And as a result, the Iranians could blackmail resulting in the arms sales that culminated in the Iran-Contra Scandal.
Most of those proteges are now working for the Romney campaign.... you watch. You'll see.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 18:13:56
Clint, Thanks! I'm merging posts.
Raine on 09/12/2012 18:13:56
Quote by clintster:
BTW, blog post on this situation is now up.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 18:16:01
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 18:16:01
does anyone know what the production studio or company is producing this "film"
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 09/12/2012 18:20:26
velveeta jones on 09/12/2012 18:20:26
Great blog!
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2012 18:25:15
This film is probably produced at home. Easy to do nowadays, even burning 15-20 dvds at a time. And of course, uploading to the internet. Many people chose to go this route with their films, music and books. Self producing/publishing. Most times it's to get noticed by a major studio, record producer or publisher. In this case, I'd say they got what they wanted.
velveeta jones on 09/12/2012 18:25:15
Quote by wickedpam:
does anyone know what the production studio or company is producing this "film"
This film is probably produced at home. Easy to do nowadays, even burning 15-20 dvds at a time. And of course, uploading to the internet. Many people chose to go this route with their films, music and books. Self producing/publishing. Most times it's to get noticed by a major studio, record producer or publisher. In this case, I'd say they got what they wanted.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2012 18:28:29
Scoopster on 09/12/2012 18:28:29
Notable conservative reponses, from the critical to the classy:
Peggy Noonan: "I don't feel that Mr. Romney has been doing himself any favors in the past few hours."
Richard Armitage: “I bet the Romney camp wishes it had those initial statements back so they could now express the proper condolences for the loss of life of our diplomats.â€
@SenJohnMcCain: Just watched an excellent and moving stmt by Sec. Clinton- just the right message and tone.
Condi Rice: I am saddened by the tragic loss of life at our Consulate in Benghazi. Ambassador Chris Stevens was a wonderful officer and a terrific diplomat who was dedicated to the cause of freedom. His service in the Middle East throughout his career was legendary. My thoughts and prayers are with the loved ones of all of the fallen. They will be sorely missed but never forgotten.
McConnell: “We honor the Americans we lost in Libya and we will stand united in our response.â€
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 18:34:38
It's a 5 million dollar production.
This I believe is a little more than that.
Raine on 09/12/2012 18:34:38
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:
does anyone know what the production studio or company is producing this "film"
This film is probably produced at home. Easy to do nowadays, even burning 15-20 dvds at a time. And of course, uploading to the internet. Many people chose to go this route with their films, music and books. Self producing/publishing. Most times it's to get noticed by a major studio, record producer or publisher. In this case, I'd say they got what they wanted.
This I believe is a little more than that.
Comment by clintster on 09/12/2012 18:37:40
Looking at the trailer clips, I wonder where most of the $5 million went. It looks like a bunch of people dressed in stereotype costumes filmed against a green screen. I could probably put a film like this together for 1/1000 the price (if that). It screams "vanity project"
clintster on 09/12/2012 18:37:40
Quote by Raine:It's a 5 million dollar production.Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:
does anyone know what the production studio or company is producing this "film"
This film is probably produced at home. Easy to do nowadays, even burning 15-20 dvds at a time. And of course, uploading to the internet. Many people chose to go this route with their films, music and books. Self producing/publishing. Most times it's to get noticed by a major studio, record producer or publisher. In this case, I'd say they got what they wanted.
This I believe is a little more than that.
Looking at the trailer clips, I wonder where most of the $5 million went. It looks like a bunch of people dressed in stereotype costumes filmed against a green screen. I could probably put a film like this together for 1/1000 the price (if that). It screams "vanity project"
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2012 18:38:07
Scoopster on 09/12/2012 18:38:07
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 18:38:30
Don't they still have to register some thing for a 5mil production? Seems bigger then the girl who makes a zombie movie with her school friends and neighbors
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 18:38:30
Quote by Raine:It's a 5 million dollar production.Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:
does anyone know what the production studio or company is producing this "film"
This film is probably produced at home. Easy to do nowadays, even burning 15-20 dvds at a time. And of course, uploading to the internet. Many people chose to go this route with their films, music and books. Self producing/publishing. Most times it's to get noticed by a major studio, record producer or publisher. In this case, I'd say they got what they wanted.
This I believe is a little more than that.
Don't they still have to register some thing for a 5mil production? Seems bigger then the girl who makes a zombie movie with her school friends and neighbors
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 18:43:09
The film has been shown once in a hollywood theatre, according to the Atlantic Wire.
Der Spiegel is doing some interesting reporting here.
Raine on 09/12/2012 18:43:09
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:It's a 5 million dollar production.Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:
does anyone know what the production studio or company is producing this "film"
This film is probably produced at home. Easy to do nowadays, even burning 15-20 dvds at a time. And of course, uploading to the internet. Many people chose to go this route with their films, music and books. Self producing/publishing. Most times it's to get noticed by a major studio, record producer or publisher. In this case, I'd say they got what they wanted.
This I believe is a little more than that.
Looking at the trailer clips, I wonder where most of the $5 million went. It looks like a bunch of people dressed in stereotype costumes filmed against a green screen. I could probably put a film like this together for 1/1000 the price (if that). It screams "vanity project"
Der Spiegel is doing some interesting reporting here.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 18:48:02
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 18:48:02
Okay, the mystery deepens with a post on Religion Dispatch. It seems likely that Bacile is just a pseudonym. This is from near the end of the article.
It looks like we have someone who is not a real person. A friend of mine has a father who is an Egyptian Jew, whose family left in the 1950s after being in that country for 200 years. As the Israeli government has not heard of Bacile, something is up.
Who Is Sam Bacile?
Post by Sarah Posner
September 12, 2012 9:40AM
UPDATE: A detail I failed to note earlier this morning from the AP story: Israeli officials said they had not heard of him and there was no record of him being a citizen. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not permitted to share personal information with the media.
Also, Laura Rozen raises some questions about Steve Klein, who told the AP that he was a "consultant" on the film who warned Bacile he would be "the next Theo van Gogh." Klein told the AP that Bacile was concerned for relatives in Egypt, something Bacile would not confirm.
Rozen:
And there were some hints that Bacile may be a pseudonym for someone affiliated with the Egyptian Coptic Christian diaspora.
A consultant on the film, Steve Klein, told the AP that Bacile has family members in Egypt. A 2007 interview with Klein, a self-styled terrorism expert and former Marine Corps Vietnam vet, mentions his ties to the Copt diaspora community.
Klein's author biography in a self-published work, "Is Islam compatible with democracy,"states: "With 9/11 2001, I immersed myself with Islam in America; went to every major Mosque in SoCal with Arabic speaking Christians as translators and uncovered useful information about many Mosques being the head quarters of terrorism in America."
If that is true, and "Bacile"was claiming to be Jewish and to have raised money from Jews for the film, it only multiplies the incendiary nature of his project.
It looks like we have someone who is not a real person. A friend of mine has a father who is an Egyptian Jew, whose family left in the 1950s after being in that country for 200 years. As the Israeli government has not heard of Bacile, something is up.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 18:57:23
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 18:57:23
wonder if its an anagram - thought it might be Imbeciles but it has no a's and 1 too many i's and e's
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2012 18:57:28
velveeta jones on 09/12/2012 18:57:28
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2012 18:59:43
They will do anything to screw with the system unless it runs their way.
livingonli on 09/12/2012 18:59:43
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Scoopster:
Just got confirmed on Rawstory too..
This has Koch brothers all over it.
They will do anything to screw with the system unless it runs their way.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:04:16
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:04:16
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 19:13:41
This too me seemed less kosher than a pig at a luau stuffed with oysters being offered to Mammon.
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 19:13:41
Quote by Raine:
What did I say?
That filmaker -- it's not his name. and he's not jewish.
This too me seemed less kosher than a pig at a luau stuffed with oysters being offered to Mammon.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2012 19:13:57
I won't be one bit surprised if the filmmaker is revealed to be Dinesh D'Souza, Jerome Corsi or James O'Keefe.
Scoopster on 09/12/2012 19:13:57
Quote by Raine:
What did I say?
That filmaker -- it's not his name. and he's not jewish.
I won't be one bit surprised if the filmmaker is revealed to be Dinesh D'Souza, Jerome Corsi or James O'Keefe.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:15:07
Meet Steve Klein. Do not forget this name.
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:15:07
Quote by Raine:
What did I say?
That filmaker -- it's not his name. and he's not jewish.
Meet Steve Klein. Do not forget this name.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2012 19:16:18
I don't know if Corsi could actually make that sort of stuff but I wouldn't put it past the other two. They're both used to making fictional films on shit they made up especially since O'Keefe was a protege of Breitbart.
livingonli on 09/12/2012 19:16:18
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
What did I say?
That filmaker -- it's not his name. and he's not jewish.
I won't be one bit surprised if the filmmaker is revealed to be Dinesh D'Souza, Jerome Corsi or James O'Keefe.
I don't know if Corsi could actually make that sort of stuff but I wouldn't put it past the other two. They're both used to making fictional films on shit they made up especially since O'Keefe was a protege of Breitbart.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:19:08
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:19:08
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
What did I say?
That filmaker -- it's not his name. and he's not jewish.
Meet Steve Klein. Do not forget this name.
Klein appears to be allied with the National American Coptic Assembly, a radical Islamophobic group headed by Morris Sadik. Sadik claims to have discovered the film and began promoting it online. Once it went viral, the trailer was translated into Arabic, sparking outrage in the Middle East, and ultimately, to the deadly attacks carried out by Muslim extremists today.
Klein claims credit for inspiring “Sam Bacile†to produce “The Innocence of Muslims,†promising him he would be “the next Theo Van Gogh,†referring to the Dutch columnist who was murdered by a Muslim extremist. Of the attacks in Libya, Klein said, “We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen.â€
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:19:35
PAM GELLER.
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:19:35
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
What did I say?
That filmaker -- it's not his name. and he's not jewish.
I won't be one bit surprised if the filmmaker is revealed to be Dinesh D'Souza, Jerome Corsi or James O'Keefe.
I don't know if Corsi could actually make that sort of stuff but I wouldn't put it past the other two. They're both used to making fictional films on shit they made up especially since O'Keefe was a protege of Breitbart.
PAM GELLER.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:20:15
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:20:15
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
What did I say?
That filmaker -- it's not his name. and he's not jewish.
I won't be one bit surprised if the filmmaker is revealed to be Dinesh D'Souza, Jerome Corsi or James O'Keefe.
I don't know if Corsi could actually make that sort of stuff but I wouldn't put it past the other two. They're both used to making fictional films on shit they made up especially since O'Keefe was a protege of Breitbart.
PAM GELLER.
Klein is a right-wing extremist who emerged from the same axis of Islamophobia that produced Anders Behring Breivik and which takes inspiration from the writings of Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, and Daniel Pipes.
It appears Klein (or someone who shares his name and views) is an enthusiastic commenter on Geller’s website, Atlas Shrugged, where he recently complained about Mitt Romney’s “support for a Muslim state in Israel’s Heartland.†In July 2011, Spencer’s website, Jihad Watch, promoted a rally Klein organized alongside the anti-Muslim Coptic extremist Joseph Nasrallah to demand the firing of LA County Sheriff Lee Baca, whom they painted as a dupe for Hamas.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:32:13
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:32:13
Make no mistake at this point. From the research I have been doing all day, things that are pointing to a purely fundy RW Christian thing that started HERE in the USA and has now officially killed people abroad.
This is very dangerous. This isn't about Jews, this is all about Extreme RW christians trying to start a religious war, and it was born here on American soil.
I may throw up.
This is very dangerous. This isn't about Jews, this is all about Extreme RW christians trying to start a religious war, and it was born here on American soil.
I may throw up.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 19:44:45
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 19:44:45
Okay Randi needs to get an update, this is embrassing.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 19:46:04
Thom needs an update. This is embarrassing.
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 19:46:04
Quote by wickedpam:
Okay Randi needs to get an update, this is embrassing.
Thom needs an update. This is embarrassing.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 19:47:29
Oh, the Jews will be blamed for it. One of the callers was touting a conspiracy that the Jews are screwing up things with the film and that Rahm Emmanuel is screwing it up at home. I have seen anti-Semites on the right and on the left.
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 19:47:29
Quote by Raine:
Make no mistake at this point. From the research I have been doing all day, things that are pointing to a purely fundy RW Christian thing that started HERE in the USA and has now officially killed people abroad.
This is very dangerous. This isn't about Jews, this is all about Extreme RW christians trying to start a religious war, and it was born here on American soil.
I may throw up.
Oh, the Jews will be blamed for it. One of the callers was touting a conspiracy that the Jews are screwing up things with the film and that Rahm Emmanuel is screwing it up at home. I have seen anti-Semites on the right and on the left.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 19:48:57
I said this in jest earlier, but I think it is true. This is all fun and games until your actions get AMERICANS killed. Look at yourselves in the mirror professional islamaphobes. You have blood on your hands. The blood of innocent Americans.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 19:48:57
Quote by Raine:
Make no mistake at this point. From the research I have been doing all day, things that are pointing to a purely fundy RW Christian thing that started HERE in the USA and has now officially killed people abroad.
This is very dangerous. This isn't about Jews, this is all about Extreme RW christians trying to start a religious war, and it was born here on American soil.
I may throw up.
I said this in jest earlier, but I think it is true. This is all fun and games until your actions get AMERICANS killed. Look at yourselves in the mirror professional islamaphobes. You have blood on your hands. The blood of innocent Americans.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:51:52
I was just coming back here to say that I no longer believe that there was 5 millions dollars and I don't believe there are any such donors. I do however believe that there is some serious money going on here.
I'm going to find the connection.
Will, I hope you know I never meant to try to come across as tho I ever had anything against your religion. I still think that what Clint said this morning is relevant.
I am SO angry.
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:51:52
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
Make no mistake at this point. From the research I have been doing all day, things that are pointing to a purely fundy RW Christian thing that started HERE in the USA and has now officially killed people abroad.
This is very dangerous. This isn't about Jews, this is all about Extreme RW christians trying to start a religious war, and it was born here on American soil.
I may throw up.
Oh, the Jews will be blamed for it. One of the callers was touting a conspiracy that the Jews are screwing up things with the film and that Rahm Emmanuel is screwing it up at home. I have seen anti-Semites on the right and on the left.
I was just coming back here to say that I no longer believe that there was 5 millions dollars and I don't believe there are any such donors. I do however believe that there is some serious money going on here.
I'm going to find the connection.
Will, I hope you know I never meant to try to come across as tho I ever had anything against your religion. I still think that what Clint said this morning is relevant.
I am SO angry.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:53:59
I wanted to tell you, that your coptic reference from Brietbart this morning has proved to be HIGHLY illuminating.
One of the players in this mess is a Coptic Egyptian.
This did not happen in a vacuum. This is coordinated.
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:53:59
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Make no mistake at this point. From the research I have been doing all day, things that are pointing to a purely fundy RW Christian thing that started HERE in the USA and has now officially killed people abroad.
This is very dangerous. This isn't about Jews, this is all about Extreme RW christians trying to start a religious war, and it was born here on American soil.
I may throw up.
I said this in jest earlier, but I think it is true. This is all fun and games until your actions get AMERICANS killed. Look at yourselves in the mirror professional islamaphobes. You have blood on your hands. The blood of innocent Americans.
One of the players in this mess is a Coptic Egyptian.
This did not happen in a vacuum. This is coordinated.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:54:49
Huh?
I'm not listening -- what are you guys talking about?
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:54:49
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by wickedpam:
Okay Randi needs to get an update, this is embrassing.
Thom needs an update. This is embarrassing.
I'm not listening -- what are you guys talking about?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 19:56:36
Randi is still saying its an Israeli guy from CA who made the movie and is arguing about it with a caller. Granted the caller was an ass.
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 19:56:36
Quote by Raine:Huh?Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by wickedpam:
Okay Randi needs to get an update, this is embrassing.
Thom needs an update. This is embarrassing.
I'm not listening -- what are you guys talking about?
Randi is still saying its an Israeli guy from CA who made the movie and is arguing about it with a caller. Granted the caller was an ass.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 19:59:20
ahh....
I'm thinking that MOST media needs an update. Me and a friend of mine have literally spent the day looking for this information.
That al-Qada is claiming credit for the Bengazi attack is quite convenient.
Raine on 09/12/2012 19:59:20
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Huh?Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by wickedpam:
Okay Randi needs to get an update, this is embrassing.
Thom needs an update. This is embarrassing.
I'm not listening -- what are you guys talking about?
Randi is still saying its an Israeli guy from CA who made the movie and is arguing about it with a caller. Granted the caller was an ass.
I'm thinking that MOST media needs an update. Me and a friend of mine have literally spent the day looking for this information.
That al-Qada is claiming credit for the Bengazi attack is quite convenient.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2012 20:00:38
wickedpam on 09/12/2012 20:00:38
maybe I watch too much CSI and Criminal Minds but can anyone get an IP address from the video that was posted on youtube?
Comment by clintster on 09/12/2012 20:08:18
clintster on 09/12/2012 20:08:18
Please note I have made a couple of corrections to the blog, in light of new developments.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 20:12:12
That's tough to do from youtube.
That was specifically why I was asking for a website. You are thinking along the right path.
Raine on 09/12/2012 20:12:12
Quote by wickedpam:
maybe I watch too much CSI and Criminal Minds but can anyone get an IP address from the video that was posted on youtube?
That was specifically why I was asking for a website. You are thinking along the right path.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 20:12:44
Clint, you rock.
Raine on 09/12/2012 20:12:44
Quote by clintster:
Please note I have made a couple of corrections to the blog, in light of new developments.
Clint, you rock.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2012 20:18:44
livingonli on 09/12/2012 20:18:44
Pam Gellar would top this list since she is such a vile bigot. What warped her mind that she became so consumed with hatred since I doubt she has actually made that many interactions with Muslims.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:18:59
Thanks. I wish that I had direct phone numbers for Thom and Randi.
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:18:59
Quote by clintster:
Please note I have made a couple of corrections to the blog, in light of new developments.
Thanks. I wish that I had direct phone numbers for Thom and Randi.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 20:21:52
You know, you can Thom NOW. He will put you on hold at first, and he will get back to you. I can't promise anything, but you can even tell him you are a friend of mine and I told you to call.
I think you have a good chance.
Raine on 09/12/2012 20:21:52
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by clintster:
Please note I have made a couple of corrections to the blog, in light of new developments.
Thanks. I wish that I had direct phone numbers for Thom and Randi.
I think you have a good chance.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 20:27:13
Raine on 09/12/2012 20:27:13
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:31:13
Lines are jammed. Will try in a few minutes.
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:31:13
Quote by Raine:You know, you can Thom NOW. He will put you on hold at first, and he will get back to you. I can't promise anything, but you can even tell him you are a friend of mine and I told you to call.Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by clintster:
Please note I have made a couple of corrections to the blog, in light of new developments.
Thanks. I wish that I had direct phone numbers for Thom and Randi.
Lines are jammed. Will try in a few minutes.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:41:15
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:41:15
I am on hold. Am I allowed to plug the blog?
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 20:43:57
Don;t worry about the blog.
Just get the information out.
Raine on 09/12/2012 20:43:57
Quote by Will in Chicago:
I am on hold. Am I allowed to plug the blog?
Just get the information out.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:44:41
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:44:41
Just spoke with a screener.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 20:46:22
And?
I assume it was a chilled out souding guy.
Raine on 09/12/2012 20:46:22
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Just spoke with a screener.
I assume it was a chilled out souding guy.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:48:14
Whose voice is well known to people who listen to a certain evening show online!
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:48:14
Quote by Raine:And?Quote by Will in Chicago:
Just spoke with a screener.
I assume it was a chilled out souding guy.
Whose voice is well known to people who listen to a certain evening show online!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 20:52:17
SHHH!
Surprise!
Raine on 09/12/2012 20:52:17
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:And?Quote by Will in Chicago:
Just spoke with a screener.
I assume it was a chilled out souding guy.
Whose voice is well known to people who listen to a certain evening show online!
Surprise!
Comment by clintster on 09/12/2012 20:57:15
clintster on 09/12/2012 20:57:15
God, I want Thom to tear this Skeeter on the air right now.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:58:03
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 20:58:03
The cons are calling in force today.
They seem only capable of filibustering.
They seem only capable of filibustering.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 20:58:20
Turdwit is lucky a break is coming up.
Raine on 09/12/2012 20:58:20
Quote by clintster:
God, I want Thom to tear this Skeeter on the air right now.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 20:59:17
you are in the que?
If you are, hang in. These things I can say I know.
Raine on 09/12/2012 20:59:17
Quote by Will in Chicago:
The cons are calling in force today.
They seem only capable of filibustering.
If you are, hang in. These things I can say I know.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 21:04:21
I am in the queue.
I have called in for Nicole Sandler on Randi, and I was the board op for Jeff Farias for his online show -- so I know that it can take a while. (I would love Joe from Tempe who called Jeff frequently to try to call in -- it would be amusing.)
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 21:04:21
Quote by Raine:you are in the que?Quote by Will in Chicago:
The cons are calling in force today.
They seem only capable of filibustering.
If you are, hang in. These things I can say I know.
I am in the queue.
I have called in for Nicole Sandler on Randi, and I was the board op for Jeff Farias for his online show -- so I know that it can take a while. (I would love Joe from Tempe who called Jeff frequently to try to call in -- it would be amusing.)
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 21:10:53
I figured you knew the drill.
I just wanted to know you were on the call board.
Raine on 09/12/2012 21:10:53
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:you are in the que?Quote by Will in Chicago:
The cons are calling in force today.
They seem only capable of filibustering.
If you are, hang in. These things I can say I know.
I am in the queue.
I have called in for Nicole Sandler on Randi, and I was the board op for Jeff Farias for his online show -- so I know that it can take a while. (I would love Joe from Tempe who called Jeff frequently to try to call in -- it would be amusing.)
I just wanted to know you were on the call board.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2012 21:34:35
livingonli on 09/12/2012 21:34:35
The righties obviously don't want facts to get out because it interferes with their propaganda effort. The filibustering seems to be their way of just shutting things down.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 21:40:44
Callers into radio shows are too stupid to realize they are a pawn in propaganda.
Raine on 09/12/2012 21:40:44
Quote by livingonli:
The righties obviously don't want facts to get out because it interferes with their propaganda effort. The filibustering seems to be their way of just shutting things down.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 21:41:09
Mondobubba on 09/12/2012 21:41:09
In other new, Apple annouces offical release date for the iPhone 5
To quote a beloved broadcaster, "Which story will you be talking about tomorrow?"
To quote a beloved broadcaster, "Which story will you be talking about tomorrow?"
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 21:47:06
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 21:47:06
While I am still waiting to talk to Thom, I checked Facebook and Raine had a link on Steve Klein, the consultant to the film that sparked this outrage. The Southern Poverty Law Center reports that Klein trained a hate group.
Consultant for Anti-Muslim Film Provided Combat Training for Hate Group
Posted in Anti-Muslim, Christian Right, Extremist Propaganda, Intelligence Report, Militias by Hatewatch Staff on September 12, 2012
Steve Klein, who served as a consultant for the Islam-bashing film that sparked the deadly assault on a U.S. Consulate in Libya, is a longtime religious-right activist who has helped train paramilitary militias at a secretive church in California.
Four American citizens, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, were killed by mobs enraged by the depiction of the prophet Muhammad in the film “Innocence of Muslims†produced by Sam Bacile, a California real estate developer.
Klein is a Marine veteran who served in the Vietnam War and is based in Hemet, Calif. He believes that his state is riddled with Muslim Brotherhood sleeper cells “who are awaiting the trigger date and will begin randomly killing as many of us as they can,†according to an article in the Spring 2012 issue of the SPLC Intelligence Report.
Over the years, Klein has worked with a variety of far-right groups, including the Church at Kaweah, which the SPLC lists as a hate group. The Church of Kaweah is a secretive cohort of militant Christian fundamentalists in California who are preparing for war and who believe that churches should avoid government regulation and answer only to God. Kaweah has its own militia, headed by David “Dutch†Johnson (aka Dutch Joens), a longtime antigovernment veteran of the militia movement. Johnson looks forward to the battle that will begin when “Dictator Obongo†institutes martial law. He has called Mexicans savages “who can’t run their own government†and recommended sending guns to drug cartels to “decrease the excess population in Mexico so they don’t come north.â€
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 21:48:07
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 21:48:07
I hope that I do not have to follow this woman who is accusing the Prophet Muhammad in particular and Muslims in general of being pedophiles. Oy vey!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 21:50:58
Raine on 09/12/2012 21:50:58
WILL!
Comment by clintster on 09/12/2012 21:52:37
clintster on 09/12/2012 21:52:37
Thanks, Will!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 21:52:49
Raine on 09/12/2012 21:52:49
You rocked it, Will!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 21:55:44
Raine on 09/12/2012 21:55:44
Well done, Friend. Well done.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 21:56:29
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 21:56:29
FINALLY, I got on!
I wanted to respond obliquely to the last caller without referring to her inflammatory remarks. I think I screwed up the Franklin quote.
If I get a chance, I will see about forwarding the links to a few other people. Or just refer someone to the blog.
I wanted to respond obliquely to the last caller without referring to her inflammatory remarks. I think I screwed up the Franklin quote.
If I get a chance, I will see about forwarding the links to a few other people. Or just refer someone to the blog.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 22:00:40
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 22:00:40
Yes, I screwed up the Franklin remark.
I did let Jacob know about the blog post. I think that we have done a great job in looking at this movie and the people behind it. This is not just a tangled web, it is a rather hateful and frightening one.
I did let Jacob know about the blog post. I think that we have done a great job in looking at this movie and the people behind it. This is not just a tangled web, it is a rather hateful and frightening one.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 22:31:17
I'll be in touch as well.
NO ONE is figuring this one out. YET.
Raine on 09/12/2012 22:31:17
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Yes, I screwed up the Franklin remark.
I did let Jacob know about the blog post. I think that we have done a great job in looking at this movie and the people behind it. This is not just a tangled web, it is a rather hateful and frightening one.
NO ONE is figuring this one out. YET.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 22:39:38
Let's say that if I was still a reporter, I would be all over this story. There is a LOT here, and we are seeing a subculture of American life that seldom gets exposed to the light of day.
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2012 22:39:38
Quote by Raine:I'll be in touch as well.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Yes, I screwed up the Franklin remark.
I did let Jacob know about the blog post. I think that we have done a great job in looking at this movie and the people behind it. This is not just a tangled web, it is a rather hateful and frightening one.
NO ONE is figuring this one out. YET.
Let's say that if I was still a reporter, I would be all over this story. There is a LOT here, and we are seeing a subculture of American life that seldom gets exposed to the light of day.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2012 23:28:02
I wish you were still reporting.
. Hell. I wish I was a reporters researcher.
Raine on 09/12/2012 23:28:02
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:I'll be in touch as well.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Yes, I screwed up the Franklin remark.
I did let Jacob know about the blog post. I think that we have done a great job in looking at this movie and the people behind it. This is not just a tangled web, it is a rather hateful and frightening one.
NO ONE is figuring this one out. YET.
Let's say that if I was still a reporter, I would be all over this story. There is a LOT here, and we are seeing a subculture of American life that seldom gets exposed to the light of day.
. Hell. I wish I was a reporters researcher.
Comment by livingonli on 09/13/2012 00:29:31
livingonli on 09/13/2012 00:29:31
Some people have been posting stuff on Facebook (at least some of my friends and Bina) have been posting links from articles which are pointing out that the "filmmaker" might not be a real person.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/13/2012 00:32:21
Raine, I think we will know who "Sam Bacile" is soon. I also e-mailed some information to Mike Malloy and Kathy Malloy. So, we will see what people discover soon.
Will in Chicago on 09/13/2012 00:32:21
Quote by Raine:I wish you were still reporting.Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:I'll be in touch as well.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Yes, I screwed up the Franklin remark.
I did let Jacob know about the blog post. I think that we have done a great job in looking at this movie and the people behind it. This is not just a tangled web, it is a rather hateful and frightening one.
NO ONE is figuring this one out. YET.
Let's say that if I was still a reporter, I would be all over this story. There is a LOT here, and we are seeing a subculture of American life that seldom gets exposed to the light of day.
. Hell. I wish I was a reporters researcher.
Raine, I think we will know who "Sam Bacile" is soon. I also e-mailed some information to Mike Malloy and Kathy Malloy. So, we will see what people discover soon.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/13/2012 01:41:33
Will in Chicago on 09/13/2012 01:41:33
I also linked this blog to a post at Democratic Underground. This guy again? Rabid Muslim-hating Pastor Terry Jones.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/13/2012 03:21:05
Will in Chicago on 09/13/2012 03:21:05
Here is a little more on "Sam Bacile" from the Forward:
Anti-Islam Film's Jewish Tie Crumbles
By Nathan Guttman
Published September 12, 2012, issue of September 21, 2012.
nitially, a person using the name of Sam Bacile assumed responsibility for producing the film. In an interview with the Associated Press, the person said he was a California real estate developer with dual U.S. and Israeli citizenship, that he was Jewish and that the film was produced at the cost of $5 million which he raised from 100 Jewish donors. Israeli officials made clear no such name exists on Israel’s population registration. The name “Sam Bacile†also showed up nowhere on California business registries. Jewish activists in California and nationwide said they had never encountered the person.
As the dust settled, it became clear that Jewish donors and activists are not involved in the project. Steve Klein, who heads a small California organization known as Citizens for the First Amendment came out as a consultant to the film and confirmed there was no Jewish connection.
According to Adina Holtzman, assistant director of research at the Anti Defamation League, “Klein was involved in the past in anti-Muslim efforts†that included passing out flyers warning against Islamic teaching in public schools. In an interview with Israel’s Channel 10 TV, Klein acknowledged the movie was meant to be a provocation, aimed at Muslims living in California.