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Business as Usual
Author: BobR    Date: 11/30/2012 13:43:49

Despite a slow economy and a relatively high unemployment level, Americans spoke on election day. They wanted the Republicans to change. The Republican leadership hasn't listened. Instead, they are digging in their heels as if they were the ones getting the mandate from the electorate.

Exhibit A in this "business as usual" parade of frustration is the budget battle. The Republicans painted themselves into a corner by first putting the trigger into law, and then allowing the trigger to occur. Now they either have to agree on a budget, or the budget changes are created for them. That means the Bush tax cuts expire and spending gets slashed. As has been discussed elsewhere and on these pages, it's not quite the onerous fiscal "cliff" that gets bandied about in the media, but if that's what it takes to get action, then so be it.

The president has stated what he wants and what he will veto. The House Republicans scoffed at his opening bid. Note that they didn't say it was interesting but they had other ideas. They immediately went with derision:
Obama's proposal, delivered by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to Republican House Speaker John Boehner, called for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues over 10 years plus some $400 billion in savings in popular entitlement programs including Medicare, the government health care plan for seniors. It also included some relief for Americans hit by the home foreclosure crisis and an extension of both the payroll tax holiday and unemployment assistance.
[..]
The offer landed with a thud on Capitol Hill, where Republicans bluntly rejected it and expressed shock that the president would essentially stick to the plan he trumpeted starting in September 2011 and all through the campaign. It includes tax increases on the richest Americans, something Republicans have publicly refused to approve.

"I remain hopeful that productive conversations can be had in the days ahead, but the White House has to get serious," Boehner told reporters. "This is not a game. Jobs are on the line. The American economy is on the line. And this is a moment for adult leadership."

Yes, that's it exactly. We need adult leadership - from Congress.

There is one Republican congressman who has shown some moxie in voicing support for doing the right thing: Tom Cole (R-OK):
Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) made headlines this week when suggested that his Republican colleagues should join with President Obama on a quick "fiscal cliff" fix by voting to extend the Bush tax-rates for everyone but the highest income earners, and leaving the rest of the debate for later.

Cole's plan, which was first reported by Politico, was rejected by House Speaker John Boehner, who told reporters, "I disagreed with him…This is not the right approach." But his comments have gotten a lot of attention, and both Republicans and (perhaps less surprisingly) Democrats have come forward to say they agree with Cole.

"I have to say that if you're going to sign me up with a camp, I like what Tom Cole has to say," California Republican Rep. Mary Bono Mack said on CNN on Thursday.

"I'm hopeful that he can persuade other Republicans to do the right thing for middle class families and small business across the country," Democratic Senator Patty Murray told reporters on Wednesday.

So maybe there will be a mutiny. That would be a promising change.

The House is also once again playing games with Gitmo. In the latest NDAA, they are trying to restrict what the president can do with the prisoners there (even though the president is the Commander-in-Chief). Obama has threatened to veto it. Here's hoping he actually does it this time.

Finally, everyone is aware of the disfunctionality that is the Senate. The problem is the filibuster, in that it requires 60 votes (instead of 50 as specified in the Constitution) to get anything passed. Democratic Senators have been considering changing the rules so that a filibuster may temporarily - but not permanently - delay moving legislation into the main chamber for a vote. How does Speaker John Boehner fit into this? He shouldn't - but he's inserting himself into the debate nonetheless by threatening to rebuke any legislation from the Senate that is passed due to filibuster rule changes.

It used to be that Republicans tried to slow down change by debating the policy and the laws they were considering, and changing the legislation through persuasion. Now they just throw roadblocks in the way, and play games of chicken with the president, with the American people, the economy, and the military the victims of the results. This is no way to run a country. Americans are sick of it, and spoke loudly on Nov 6.

It's time for the Republicans to listen. It's time for an end to business as usual.
 

58 comments (Latest Comment: 11/30/2012 22:39:06 by Mondobubba)
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Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 14:02:28
It should not take me 11 minutes to do a cold restart of my PC at work.

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 14:03:29
good morning!

Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2012 14:04:09
I HAD COFFEE THIS MORNING!

So, I'm a little wired.



Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 14:09:20
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2012 14:09:30
Morning

Comment by BobR on 11/30/2012 14:11:47
blog is up


Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2012 14:12:25
* sigh * no SLS for me in Jan

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 14:18:38
Jesus Tap Dancing CHRIST! MOTHERFUCKER WHEN I TELL YOU THE DOMAIN NAME GO TO THE FUCKING DOMAIN NAME!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 14:27:10
Yes, I am a little cranky this morning.

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 14:28:07
regarding the budget negotiation, the WP has a really good piece today:

Obama to GOP: I’m done negotiating with myself
The GOP is right: This isn’t a serious proposal. But it’s not evidence that Obama isn’t serious. He’s very serious about not negotiating with himself, and his opening bid proves it. Now that they’ve leaked his initial offer, the next question is obvious: What’s their offer?





Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 14:28:33
Quote by Mondobubba:
Yes, I am a little cranky this morning.
No, really?


Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2012 14:35:09
Quote by Mondobubba:
Yes, I am a little cranky this morning.


still the insomnia?


Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 14:37:24
Ahh the mind of a teabagger town Supervisor:
The reason he has to foot the $1,400 bill: "It was an out-of-district water use," Poestenkill Supervisor Dominic Jocangelo tells NEWS10. He explains the town of Poestenkill established a water district restriction two years ago, and under the new rules residents outside the town have to pay for water use. Jocangelo says it is the first time they've charged.

He says he sent the bill to the homeowner and has not heard back, and that he's flexible about the amount, but that it's unfair to have taxpayers in Poestenkill foot the bill.

Thomas Martin, Fire Chief of Eagle Mills, calls the bill outrageous, saying it was easier for his crew to use Poestenkill's water, given the location of the house. He's never heard of any municipality charging and he thinks it's wrong.

Martin says in the town of Brunswick, where they are located, water is always free to use, no matter where they have take it. Martin says this is the first time he's ever heard of a bill such as this happening.



Comment by BobR on 11/30/2012 14:39:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
Yes, I am a little cranky this morning.

And this is different how?

Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2012 14:50:41
Quote by Mondobubba:
Jesus Tap Dancing CHRIST! MOTHERFUCKER WHEN I TELL YOU THE DOMAIN NAME GO TO THE FUCKING DOMAIN NAME!



The air wing has received your request, and we are standing by to help.

http://varifrank.com/images/A10.jpg


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 14:50:48
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Yes, I am a little cranky this morning.


still the insomnia?



No, the obtuse stupid, it burns! IT BURNS!

I slept like a log last night. Stayed up too late re-reading "The Hobbit" though.

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 14:50:59
You know, the more I think about, the more hilarious it is to me that the GOP was surprised that as the blog stated:
The offer landed with a thud on Capitol Hill, where Republicans bluntly rejected it and expressed shock that the president would essentially stick to the plan he trumpeted starting in September 2011 and all through the campaign. It includes tax increases on the richest Americans, something Republicans have publicly refused to approve.


Shocked! They are Shocked I tell you!


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 14:51:35
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Jesus Tap Dancing CHRIST! MOTHERFUCKER WHEN I TELL YOU THE DOMAIN NAME GO TO THE FUCKING DOMAIN NAME!



The air wing has received your request, and we are standing by to help.

http://varifrank.com/images/A10.jpg


A bit of overkill, but ya know go large...

Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2012 14:53:05
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Yes, I am a little cranky this morning.


still the insomnia?



No, the obtuse stupid, it burns! IT BURNS!

I slept like a log last night. Stayed up too late re-reading "The Hobbit" though.


good to hear you got some sleep


Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 14:53:33
This was another good piece about the budget talks:
Geithner's offer would delay the sequester -- automatic spending cuts to the Pentagon and social programs -- for a year, and effectively eliminates the congressional requirement to lift the debt ceiling in perpetuity. The offer included an extension of unemployment insurance, the payroll tax and even money to help homeowners modify mortgages and invest in infrastructure. "I think there was a leprechaun in there somewhere, too," quipped one GOP aide.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 14:56:27
I heard The Boner on NPR this morning blather about the debt ceiling; how if the debt ceiling is raised there should be off setting spending cuts. Um John the debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. Wasn't this explained to you when you fucked up America's credit rating last year? Or are you just pandering to your nitwit base? Or both?

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 14:57:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
I heard The Boner on NPR this morning blather about the debt ceiling; how if the debt ceiling is raised there should be off setting spending cuts. Um John the debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. Wasn't this explained to you when you fucked up America's credit rating last year? Or are you just pandering to your nitwit base? Or both?
That is what I wrote about yesterday.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 15:00:09
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I heard The Boner on NPR this morning blather about the debt ceiling; how if the debt ceiling is raised there should be off setting spending cuts. Um John the debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. Wasn't this explained to you when you fucked up America's credit rating last year? Or are you just pandering to your nitwit base? Or both?
That is what I wrote about yesterday.



Yeah I know, I know. I wanted to get that extra rhetorical dig in on the Boner.


Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2012 15:00:41
Boehner is Toonces.

Discuss.



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 15:03:06
Quote by TriSec:
Boehner is Toonces.

Discuss.



No, Toonces is a better driver.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 15:06:01
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 15:10:50
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I heard The Boner on NPR this morning blather about the debt ceiling; how if the debt ceiling is raised there should be off setting spending cuts. Um John the debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. Wasn't this explained to you when you fucked up America's credit rating last year? Or are you just pandering to your nitwit base? Or both?
That is what I wrote about yesterday.



My big issue with The Speaker link budget cuts and the debt ceiling (besides the stupidity of it) is that it further misinforms the American electorate. People need to understand the fundamentals of governance so they can participate in the political process in a meaningful way. The Boner is not doing this for deliberate partisan reasons.

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 15:37:54
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I heard The Boner on NPR this morning blather about the debt ceiling; how if the debt ceiling is raised there should be off setting spending cuts. Um John the debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. Wasn't this explained to you when you fucked up America's credit rating last year? Or are you just pandering to your nitwit base? Or both?
That is what I wrote about yesterday.



My big issue with The Speaker link budget cuts and the debt ceiling (besides the stupidity of it) is that it further misinforms the American electorate. People need to understand the fundamentals of governance so they can participate in the political process in a meaningful way. The Boner is not doing this for deliberate partisan reasons.
Boner is doing everything he can to NOT have to go on record and admit that he wants the revive the Ryan budget plan.


Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/30/2012 16:10:06
BobR, thanks for a great blog. I fear that the GOP, as was said about a previous incarnation of the House, will DeLay and Doolittle.

I think that the president should stand firm. He is the first president since Eisenhower to win two terms with 51 percent of the vote and has a larger "mandate" than George W. Bush had in 2004. If the GOP does not want to compromise, go over the cliff, cut a deal with the new Congress and move ahead.

And if John Boehner is merely an obstructionist, it is high time that he gets a challenge from a progressive Democrat and not run unopposed. So, if the GOP is not willing to cut a deal, I think that the President should take the case to the people and show the GOP the same consideration that they have given him.

On a personal note, I am waiting to hear on the maternity leave sub position as it is pretty much decision time for the teacher I interviewed with a little before Thanksgiving.

Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2012 16:50:18
Comment by Scoopster on 11/30/2012 16:52:51

This could be misinterpreted, by a very select few people, as a polite way of saying you want someone to kiss your ass.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/30/2012 17:14:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
It should not take me 11 minutes to do a cold restart of my PC at work.

When I was working in the Medical side of Company P, that's how long it took for my PC to boot because it had to load encryption software and the usual corporate stuff like the anti-virus software of choice.

Now on the Lighting side, I don't have to worry about encryption and things are a bit faster.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/30/2012 17:16:00
Quote by Raine:
regarding the budget negotiation, the WP has a really good piece today:

Obama to GOP: I’m done negotiating with myself
The GOP is right: This isn’t a serious proposal. But it’s not evidence that Obama isn’t serious. He’s very serious about not negotiating with himself, and his opening bid proves it. Now that they’ve leaked his initial offer, the next question is obvious: What’s their offer?


Maybe he should just say what's on his mind, that he won't negotiate with terrorists.




Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2012 17:21:33
Good day, folks. It is interesting checking out what's going on in the world by watching Al-Jazeera English (even more than BBC) since I get that channel now via FiOS.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 17:36:39
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. It is interesting checking out what's going on in the world by watching Al-Jazeera English (even more than BBC) since I get that channel now via FiOS.



Speaking of TeeVee what is the pissing match between NBC and DTV all about.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 17:41:42
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Mondobubba:
It should not take me 11 minutes to do a cold restart of my PC at work.

When I was working in the Medical side of Company P, that's how long it took for my PC to boot because it had to load encryption software and the usual corporate stuff like the anti-virus software of choice.

Now on the Lighting side, I don't have to worry about encryption and things are a bit faster.



As I have no encryption software, just the usual corporate crap with is not residing on the server, but on my PC Active Directory shouldn't take forever to load and go.

Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2012 17:47:33
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. It is interesting checking out what's going on in the world by watching Al-Jazeera English (even more than BBC) since I get that channel now via FiOS.



Speaking of TeeVee what is the pissing match between NBC and DTV all about.

I don't know if you saw my post late last night, but it's actually between the company that owns your local NBC affiliate not the network per se. Since it's not an issue with the New York affiliate which is an O & O. Most of these disputes are over the increased fees broadcasters want for carriage (remember those channels used to be free) and the extra pound of flesh they want from cable, satellite, and telco to carry those signals. Many of the providers obviously dealing with subscriber complaints about rate increases are trying to hold these backs and this is why this is now becoming common practice in the industry.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2012 17:51:40
intense investigation into our presells for 2012 is over (for now) thank goodness!

Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2012 17:58:46
Say Pam, do you get to taste things? How's the BJN this year?



Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2012 18:04:09
Quote by TriSec:
Say Pam, do you get to taste things? How's the BJN this year?




occasionally, come to think of it we didn't open a bottle this year - afraid I don't know if its any good. I do have a bottle of Eco.Love Riesling at home that I think is pretty good though

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 18:06:02
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. It is interesting checking out what's going on in the world by watching Al-Jazeera English (even more than BBC) since I get that channel now via FiOS.



Speaking of TeeVee what is the pissing match between NBC and DTV all about.

I don't know if you saw my post late last night, but it's actually between the company that owns your local NBC affiliate not the network per se. Since it's not an issue with the New York affiliate which is an O & O. Most of these disputes are over the increased fees broadcasters want for carriage (remember those channels used to be free) and the extra pound of flesh they want from cable, satellite, and telco to carry those signals. Many of the providers obviously dealing with subscriber complaints about rate increases are trying to hold these backs and this is why this is now becoming common practice in the industry.



No I didn't and thank you.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/30/2012 18:27:44
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 18:57:14
That is a bit F'd up.


Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 19:31:48
I swear, Sometimes watching CNN just makes my brain hurt. Don LEmon was asking WH house correspondent (jennifer yeller, I believe) about Budget talks. She said that the WH doesn't have a written proposal and that no one from the White House has met with GOP leaders.

REALLY.

Here is the Damn proposal, here is the White House Official who MET WITH GOP LEADERS!
Obama's proposal, delivered by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to Republican House Speaker John Boehner, called for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues over 10 years plus some $400 billion in savings in popular entitlement programs including Medicare, the government health care plan for seniors. It also included some relief for Americans hit by the home foreclosure crisis and an extension of both the payroll tax holiday and unemployment assistance.
Now I would like to Bill CNN for the minimal research I just did. Keeristonabutterstck.

In the mean time-- there is NO proposal coming from the GOP -- unless you count the Ryan budget.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 19:44:07
Quote by Raine:
I swear, Sometimes watching CNN just makes my brain hurt. Don LEmon was asking WH house correspondent (jennifer yeller, I believe) about Budget talks. She said that the WH doesn't have a written proposal and that no one from the White House has met with GOP leaders.

REALLY.

Here is the Damn proposal, here is the White House Official who MET WITH GOP LEADERS!
Obama's proposal, delivered by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to Republican House Speaker John Boehner, called for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues over 10 years plus some $400 billion in savings in popular entitlement programs including Medicare, the government health care plan for seniors. It also included some relief for Americans hit by the home foreclosure crisis and an extension of both the payroll tax holiday and unemployment assistance.
Now I would like to Bill CNN for the minimal research I just did. Keeristonabutterstck.

In the mean time-- there is NO proposal coming from the GOP -- unless you count the Ryan budget.


Find out if they have an ombudsman/woman. If they do, rip him or her a new one. Seriously.

In Lieu of that, see if jennifer yeller is on twitter and bomb the shite out of until she has to do an on air correction.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2012 19:58:03
The answer to CNN having an ombudsman is no. I would say Twitter bombing the crap out of her. With handles of other you tweet with regularly in the media. That might cause a crap storm to rain upon her to correct her half-assed reporting. I am serious. Go forth and make her life a misery for being a fuck-tard.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/30/2012 20:11:11
Quote by Mondobubba:
The answer to CNN having an ombudsman is no. I would say Twitter bombing the crap out of her. With handles of other you tweet with regularly in the media. That might cause a crap storm to rain upon her to correct her half-assed reporting. I am serious. Go forth and make her life a misery for being a fuck-tard.

I'm in. Let's do this.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/30/2012 20:14:08
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 20:16:31
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
The answer to CNN having an ombudsman is no. I would say Twitter bombing the crap out of her. With handles of other you tweet with regularly in the media. That might cause a crap storm to rain upon her to correct her half-assed reporting. I am serious. Go forth and make her life a misery for being a fuck-tard.

I'm in. Let's do this.
@YellinCNN (Jessica Yellin)

Don Lemon should be nicely told that she lied to him. I do not hold him at fault for talking to THE CNN WH correspondent.

Comment by Raine on 11/30/2012 20:28:43
I've sent 2 tweets to her:


@YellinCNN telling @DonLemonCNN that the WH has no written proposal is untrue as well. GOP leaked the WH proposal http://wapo.st/UuYd3K


@YellinCNN telling @DonLemonCNN that WH had not met with GOP re: Cliff talks was a lie. Geithner is part of the WH. He met w/Boehner.