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The Common Good
Author: BobR
Date: 01/09/2013 13:54:18
We face a lot of problems in our country. There's poverty, gun violence, racism, a dysfunctional Congress... and a media that breathlessly keeps the pot stirred up. There's a lot of fear because fear sells. Fear of not having enough money, of the shame of not being able to keep up with the neighbors, fear of "the others" with different skin tones or fashion choices or accents, fear of not getting reelected...
As Americans, we (and I am using "we" loosely here) balk at the changes that would help us. The Cold War has so ingrained a distrust of a powerful government, we label anything that helps us which is government-based as "socialism". We want government to leave us alone to live our lives. We value our freedoms to the point of detriment, to the point of nose-spiting-face. We point to the first Amendment to allow verbal bullying, we point to the 10th amendment to disallow federal programs.
And there are some among us that point to the 2nd Amendment to justify possessing as many weapons and of any variety as they desire. As was said on TV last night, they want it, they can afford it, so the government better not keep them from getting it.
The Constitution is an amazing document in its simplicity. It lays down a framework for how the government should operate, and - for the most part - leaves the specific laws to be created later, outside of the document itself. It has been amended over time, but even with it's amendments, it is still wonderfully concise.
What's interesting is that it's the amendments that are so oft-quoted. Rarely do we hear those seeking to justify their actions or self-interests quote the body of the document. Of particular note is the "mission statement" of the document, that which describes the very reason for creating the Constitution in the first place. I am speaking of course of the Preamble:
There are certain factions among us who always seem focused on the "justics" and "common defense", and seem to be almost antagonistic towards the "domestic tranquility" and "general welfare". They invoke the names of Stalin and Marx and the "nanny state" as if a totalitarian dictatorship is the only possible outcome when the government actually does provide for the common welfare of its people, while conveniently ignoring the successes of the rest of the civilized world. They promote more guns as the solution to gun violence, ignoring the evidence to the contrary.
It was our most famous nanny-stater of all President Franklin D. Roosevelt who distilled the goals of the Constitution (and - yes - the amendments) down to an essential Four Freedoms (and which was eloquently paraphrased by our own TriSec as our Mission Statement) in his 1941 State of the Union speech:
We understand the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. But it's the Freedom from Want and Freedom from Fear with which we struggle. Ideology often trumps practicality and - in some cases - common sense. Poor people rail against taxes on the rich. Are they hoping to be rich some day? Do they think the rich will smile down on them and bequeath a shiny coin? This strikes at both of these freedoms. Gun advocates and media and terrorist-spotters use fear to push their ideas and make money. It is selfish and detrimental to the country. It is self-destructive to create fear to promote a system which perpetuates want.
Sadly, our country has bought its own hype, and put personal liberty (and the fear of losing it) ahead of the Common Good. We are not the loose collection of states, we are not the aggregation of individuals, we are the United States of America. We were created to ensure we were all watching each other's backs (per Franklin's "Join or Die" snake illustration). Our very Constitution advocates Freedom from Fear and Freedom from Want ("domestic tranquility" and "general welfare"), yet there are those who consider these notions unAmerican. What is it going to take to get the collective citizenry to care as much about the country as a whole as they do about themselves?
As Americans, we (and I am using "we" loosely here) balk at the changes that would help us. The Cold War has so ingrained a distrust of a powerful government, we label anything that helps us which is government-based as "socialism". We want government to leave us alone to live our lives. We value our freedoms to the point of detriment, to the point of nose-spiting-face. We point to the first Amendment to allow verbal bullying, we point to the 10th amendment to disallow federal programs.
And there are some among us that point to the 2nd Amendment to justify possessing as many weapons and of any variety as they desire. As was said on TV last night, they want it, they can afford it, so the government better not keep them from getting it.
The Constitution is an amazing document in its simplicity. It lays down a framework for how the government should operate, and - for the most part - leaves the specific laws to be created later, outside of the document itself. It has been amended over time, but even with it's amendments, it is still wonderfully concise.
What's interesting is that it's the amendments that are so oft-quoted. Rarely do we hear those seeking to justify their actions or self-interests quote the body of the document. Of particular note is the "mission statement" of the document, that which describes the very reason for creating the Constitution in the first place. I am speaking of course of the Preamble:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
There are certain factions among us who always seem focused on the "justics" and "common defense", and seem to be almost antagonistic towards the "domestic tranquility" and "general welfare". They invoke the names of Stalin and Marx and the "nanny state" as if a totalitarian dictatorship is the only possible outcome when the government actually does provide for the common welfare of its people, while conveniently ignoring the successes of the rest of the civilized world. They promote more guns as the solution to gun violence, ignoring the evidence to the contrary.
It was our most famous nanny-stater of all President Franklin D. Roosevelt who distilled the goals of the Constitution (and - yes - the amendments) down to an essential Four Freedoms (and which was eloquently paraphrased by our own TriSec as our Mission Statement) in his 1941 State of the Union speech:
In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms. The first is freedom of speech and expression—everywhere in the world. The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way—everywhere in the world. The third is freedom from want—which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants—everywhere in the world. The fourth is freedom from fear—which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor—anywhere in the world. That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb...
We understand the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. But it's the Freedom from Want and Freedom from Fear with which we struggle. Ideology often trumps practicality and - in some cases - common sense. Poor people rail against taxes on the rich. Are they hoping to be rich some day? Do they think the rich will smile down on them and bequeath a shiny coin? This strikes at both of these freedoms. Gun advocates and media and terrorist-spotters use fear to push their ideas and make money. It is selfish and detrimental to the country. It is self-destructive to create fear to promote a system which perpetuates want.
Sadly, our country has bought its own hype, and put personal liberty (and the fear of losing it) ahead of the Common Good. We are not the loose collection of states, we are not the aggregation of individuals, we are the United States of America. We were created to ensure we were all watching each other's backs (per Franklin's "Join or Die" snake illustration). Our very Constitution advocates Freedom from Fear and Freedom from Want ("domestic tranquility" and "general welfare"), yet there are those who consider these notions unAmerican. What is it going to take to get the collective citizenry to care as much about the country as a whole as they do about themselves?
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Comment by 
Scoopster on 01/09/2013 14:08:01
Scoopster on 01/09/2013 14:08:01
First! 
Comment by 
TriSec on 01/09/2013 14:09:08
TriSec on 01/09/2013 14:09:08
The Late Shelby Foote distilled it down to the United States "are" vs. the United States "Is".
It took a civil war to forge that final union and change of attitude...we are a diverse collection of states, but the United States "is" allegedly a unified nation.
Under the now-discredited Articles of Federation, The United States "Are" a loose confederation of semi-autonomous states.
I wrote about this before myself...I think this is what the Tea Party wants to "take America back" to.
(I'll have to find that blog.)
It took a civil war to forge that final union and change of attitude...we are a diverse collection of states, but the United States "is" allegedly a unified nation.
Under the now-discredited Articles of Federation, The United States "Are" a loose confederation of semi-autonomous states.
I wrote about this before myself...I think this is what the Tea Party wants to "take America back" to.
(I'll have to find that blog.)
Comment by 
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 14:12:13
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 14:12:13
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 01/09/2013 14:21:16
Raine on 01/09/2013 14:21:16
Really well stated BobR.
Good Morning
Good Morning
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2013 14:53:29
Raine on 01/09/2013 14:53:29
and now for some levity:
A woman walks into a bank in New York City and asks for the Loan officer. She says she's going to Europe on business for two weeks and Needs to borrow $5,000.
The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so the she hands over the keys to a new Mercedes Benz SL 500.
The car is parked on the street in front of the bank, she has the title and everything checks out. The bank agrees to accept the car collateral for the loan.
The bank's president and its officers all enjoy a good laugh at the blond for using a $110,000 Benz as collateral against a $5,000 loan. An employee of the bank then proceeds to drive the Benz into the bank's underground garage and parks it there. Two weeks later, the woman returns, repays the $5,000 and the interest, which comes to $15.41.
The loan officer says, "Miss, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely, but we are a little puzzled. While you were away, we checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire.
What puzzles us is, why would you bother to borrow $5,000?"
The woman replies, "Where else in New York City can I park my Car for two weeks for only $15.41 and expect it to be there when I return?"
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 14:53:52
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 14:53:52
Noisy frakkin housemate banging around and leaving lights on that shine under my door in the middle of the frakkin' night! 
He almost got the Wrath of Mondo!
He almost got the Wrath of Mondo!
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2013 14:57:50
See? That's why you need an assault rifle....
TriSec on 01/09/2013 14:57:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
Noisy frakkin housemate banging around and leaving lights on that shine under my door in the middle of the frakkin' night!
He almost got the Wrath of Mondo!
See? That's why you need an assault rifle....
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:03:30
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:03:30
Quote by Raine:
and now for some levity:A woman walks into a bank in New York City and asks for the Loan officer. She says she's going to Europe on business for two weeks and Needs to borrow $5,000.
The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so the she hands over the keys to a new Mercedes Benz SL 500.
The car is parked on the street in front of the bank, she has the title and everything checks out. The bank agrees to accept the car collateral for the loan.
The bank's president and its officers all enjoy a good laugh at the blond for using a $110,000 Benz as collateral against a $5,000 loan. An employee of the bank then proceeds to drive the Benz into the bank's underground garage and parks it there. Two weeks later, the woman returns, repays the $5,000 and the interest, which comes to $15.41.
The loan officer says, "Miss, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely, but we are a little puzzled. While you were away, we checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire.
What puzzles us is, why would you bother to borrow $5,000?"
The woman replies, "Where else in New York City can I park my Car for two weeks for only $15.41 and expect it to be there when I return?"
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2013 15:03:56
TriSec on 01/09/2013 15:03:56
Ah, Salada Green Tea this morning.
Only I can't tell if this is "before" (bright green leaves) or "after" (bright green mold).
Only I can't tell if this is "before" (bright green leaves) or "after" (bright green mold).
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 01/09/2013 15:11:46
trojanrabbit on 01/09/2013 15:11:46
There was a party here last night. The fridge was full of Italian dishes.
Didn't need to bring a lunch. Guess I can bring it back tonight.
Didn't need to bring a lunch. Guess I can bring it back tonight.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:14:00
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:14:00
Lady, I know you a minister and all, but a for fuck's sake with you stop being an asshole? Please.
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2013 15:16:52
TriSec on 01/09/2013 15:16:52
Watch out - I have all the "MLB Drugs" in me today. I'm completely wired.
Won't have Roid Rage, at least until I get behind the wheel, but you may want to consider hiding the children, small dogs, and kittehs, looking pretty tasty right now.
Won't have Roid Rage, at least until I get behind the wheel, but you may want to consider hiding the children, small dogs, and kittehs, looking pretty tasty right now.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2013 15:27:31
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 15:27:31
shut up shane 
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:29:20
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:29:20
Our IT department is a mess! This is the 2nd time in month that virus has infected the network. Same virus at that. Hello, server level anti-virus software? Heard of it?
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2013 15:29:35
TriSec on 01/09/2013 15:29:35
Oh, my train of thought has derailed in spectacular fashion today. Think I took out a freakin' bridge.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:33:37
Alrighty then, Rogance Clemstrong.
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:33:37
Quote by TriSec:
Watch out - I have all the "MLB Drugs" in me today. I'm completely wired.
Won't have Roid Rage, at least until I get behind the wheel, but you may want to consider hiding the children, small dogs, and kittehs, looking pretty tasty right now.
Alrighty then, Rogance Clemstrong.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:35:27
I feel your pain good sir. I am working on about half normal amount of sleep. I am very foggy.
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:35:27
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, my train of thought has derailed in spectacular fashion today. Think I took out a freakin' bridge.
I feel your pain good sir. I am working on about half normal amount of sleep. I am very foggy.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2013 15:36:26
was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?
Raine on 01/09/2013 15:36:26
Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2013 15:39:35
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 15:39:35
Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:39:38
Is he spending his honeymoon in a ditch, on fire?
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:39:38
Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
Is he spending his honeymoon in a ditch, on fire?
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:40:31
What about the title character in the classic western?
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:40:31
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
What about the title character in the classic western?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2013 15:44:35
I vaguely remember the book - wasn't really one I paid that close attention to. I think about the time we read Shane I was reading Trixie Belden books
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 15:44:35
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
What about the title character in the classic western?
I vaguely remember the book - wasn't really one I paid that close attention to. I think about the time we read Shane I was reading Trixie Belden books
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2013 15:48:16
Raine on 01/09/2013 15:48:16
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/09/2013 15:51:15
Who do you mean? Shame? The guy who tied Batman and Robin to the ground to be stampeded by a herd of cattle?
trojanrabbit on 01/09/2013 15:51:15
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
What about the title character in the classic western?
Who do you mean? Shame? The guy who tied Batman and Robin to the ground to be stampeded by a herd of cattle?
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:53:45
Shane
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 15:53:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
What about the title character in the classic western?
I vaguely remember the book - wasn't really one I paid that close attention to. I think about the time we read Shane I was reading Trixie Belden books
Shane
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2013 15:56:34
Raine on 01/09/2013 15:56:34
Birthers want to impeach Chief Justice Roberts...
I say go for it! Would love for Obama to pick a new justice!
I say go for it! Would love for Obama to pick a new justice!
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2013 15:58:31
yeah, westerns not my thing - not even a fan of Oklahoma
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 15:58:31
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
What about the title character in the classic western?
I vaguely remember the book - wasn't really one I paid that close attention to. I think about the time we read Shane I was reading Trixie Belden books
Shane
yeah, westerns not my thing - not even a fan of Oklahoma
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2013 16:01:40
TriSec on 01/09/2013 16:01:40
Westerns, thpthp. ( no offence intended for fans here, just not for me. Think the last one I saw was "Unforgiven", which was actually alright.)
Don't like the "classic" Westerns...it's kinda like country music to me. Very formulaic - seen one, you've seen 'em all.
*doges tumbleweeds*
Don't like the "classic" Westerns...it's kinda like country music to me. Very formulaic - seen one, you've seen 'em all.
*doges tumbleweeds*
Comment by 
clintster on 01/09/2013 16:04:40
WHAT? That musical is a cultural touchstone. It established the modern Broadway musical style. It... it... it is such a... omigod Pammer. I... I need a drink.
(sitting in a corner with a bottle of Two Buck Chuck rocking slowly and crying)
clintster on 01/09/2013 16:04:40
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
What about the title character in the classic western?
I vaguely remember the book - wasn't really one I paid that close attention to. I think about the time we read Shane I was reading Trixie Belden books
Shane
yeah, westerns not my thing - not even a fan of Oklahoma
WHAT? That musical is a cultural touchstone. It established the modern Broadway musical style. It... it... it is such a... omigod Pammer. I... I need a drink.(sitting in a corner with a bottle of Two Buck Chuck rocking slowly and crying)
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2013 16:10:00
I so prefer Chorus Line, Chicago and Into the Woods.
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 16:10:00
Quote by clintster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:was that the rambly guy who went out in blaze of Hitler glory?Quote by wickedpam:
shut up shane
yep
side note - every Shane I've ever known, heard, met, seen on TV, read about in books - kind of a dick
What about the title character in the classic western?
I vaguely remember the book - wasn't really one I paid that close attention to. I think about the time we read Shane I was reading Trixie Belden books
Shane
yeah, westerns not my thing - not even a fan of Oklahoma
(sitting in a corner with a bottle of Two Buck Chuck rocking slowly and crying)
I so prefer Chorus Line, Chicago and Into the Woods.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/09/2013 16:10:09
trojanrabbit on 01/09/2013 16:10:09
The WB cartoons in the tunnel area have been replaced by bRuins highlights.....meh.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2013 16:12:46
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 16:12:46
If anyone is interested I think there are tickets available for the 47% Ball - it's out in Chantilly and only $150 a ticket which includes a dinner.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/09/2013 16:12:59
trojanrabbit on 01/09/2013 16:12:59
Listening to Alex Jones' meltdown suggests to me we may have another Breitbart in the making.
Comment by clintster on 01/09/2013 16:17:01
Oh he's taken it one step beyond; Jones was convinced Michael Bloomberg was planning to murder him Monday after the show.
clintster on 01/09/2013 16:17:01
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Listening to Alex Jones' meltdown suggests to me we may have another Breitbart in the making.
Oh he's taken it one step beyond; Jones was convinced Michael Bloomberg was planning to murder him Monday after the show.
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2013 16:19:06
TriSec on 01/09/2013 16:19:06
Listening to TRMS...seems like the rape thing has bubbled up again.
Ya know, I looked at "Rape" on wikipedia recently. While there are many different kinds of assault listed, "Legitimate Rape" didn't seem to be out there.
Ya know, I looked at "Rape" on wikipedia recently. While there are many different kinds of assault listed, "Legitimate Rape" didn't seem to be out there.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 16:34:19
Bring it, wingnuts! Bring it!
Mondobubba on 01/09/2013 16:34:19
Quote by Raine:
Birthers want to impeach Chief Justice Roberts...
I say go for it! Would love for Obama to pick a new justice!
Bring it, wingnuts! Bring it!
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2013 16:34:38
Raine on 01/09/2013 16:34:38
So about alex jones....
he dissects an episode of the Squidbillies... starts about 4:50
well that settles it!
he dissects an episode of the Squidbillies... starts about 4:50
well that settles it!
Comment by 
livingonli on 01/09/2013 16:37:37
livingonli on 01/09/2013 16:37:37
Good morning, folks. In order to watch or listen to Alex Jones, a tinfoil hat is a prerequisite. At least I was able to get up for the last hour of Momma today unlike yesterday when I crashed.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2013 16:40:38
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 16:40:38
oh lawd not Mary
Comment by clintster on 01/09/2013 16:40:55
MY... BRAIN... HURTS.
Seriously, I made it through about 4 minutes about that before I had to shut it off. Headed for the decontamination shower.
clintster on 01/09/2013 16:40:55
Quote by Raine:
So about alex jones....
he dissects an episode of the Squidbillies... starts about 4:50
MY... BRAIN... HURTS.
Seriously, I made it through about 4 minutes about that before I had to shut it off. Headed for the decontamination shower.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2013 16:42:04
That's why I said it started at 4:50... but I do understand.
Raine on 01/09/2013 16:42:04
Quote by clintster:
MY... BRAIN... HURTS.
Seriously, I made it through about 4 minutes about that before I had to shut it off. Headed for the decontamination shower.
Comment by clintster on 01/09/2013 16:43:17
Who was the guy from Massachusetts who used to troll Steph, Randi and a few other progressive shows? Whatever happened to him?
clintster on 01/09/2013 16:43:17
Quote by wickedpam:
oh lawd not Mary
Who was the guy from Massachusetts who used to troll Steph, Randi and a few other progressive shows? Whatever happened to him?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2013 16:43:27
She's such a joyful inspiring human being.
Raine on 01/09/2013 16:43:27
Quote by wickedpam:
oh lawd not Mary
She's such a joyful inspiring human being.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2013 16:44:12
I don't know. I know there was a guy from Texas ...
Raine on 01/09/2013 16:44:12
Quote by clintster:Quote by wickedpam:
oh lawd not Mary
Who was the guy from Massachusetts who used to troll Steph, Randi and a few other progressive shows? Whatever happened to him?
I don't know. I know there was a guy from Texas ...
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2013 16:45:06
Raine on 01/09/2013 16:45:06
Well, we have entered the racist frittata trifecta. Holy moly this woman is the most negative person I have ever heard.
Comment by clintster on 01/09/2013 16:45:06
clintster on 01/09/2013 16:45:06
"Show me a poor Jew"? Jumpin' Jeebus, Mary, your Nazi armband is slipping out from under your housecoat.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2013 16:45:17
Billy was from Texas and isn't it John from Mass?
wickedpam on 01/09/2013 16:45:17
Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:Quote by wickedpam:
oh lawd not Mary
Who was the guy from Massachusetts who used to troll Steph, Randi and a few other progressive shows? Whatever happened to him?
I don't know. I know there was a guy from Texas ...
Billy was from Texas and isn't it John from Mass?
Comment by livingonli on 01/09/2013 16:46:57
I forgot his name but I remember who you were talking about. Like Mary, he was worried about the fate of the poor Aryan race. I'm surprised these people don't slip up and utter "Seig, Heil!" when they call in.
livingonli on 01/09/2013 16:46:57
Quote by clintster:Quote by wickedpam:
oh lawd not Mary
Who was the guy from Massachusetts who used to troll Steph, Randi and a few other progressive shows? Whatever happened to him?
I forgot his name but I remember who you were talking about. Like Mary, he was worried about the fate of the poor Aryan race. I'm surprised these people don't slip up and utter "Seig, Heil!" when they call in.
Comment by clintster on 01/09/2013 16:46:58
Jahn From Amherst (whew! Finally got it.). He was a deelight compared to RFM.
clintster on 01/09/2013 16:46:58
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:Quote by wickedpam:
oh lawd not Mary
Who was the guy from Massachusetts who used to troll Steph, Randi and a few other progressive shows? Whatever happened to him?
I don't know. I know there was a guy from Texas ...
Billy was from Texas and isn't it John from Mass?
Jahn From Amherst (whew! Finally got it.). He was a deelight compared to RFM.