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Group Of Paleolithics
Author: BobR
Date: 03/25/2013 13:04:41
Several years ago, there was a push among hate groups, driven by misplaced religious belief, to add admendments to their states' constitutions prohibiting gay marriage. This was supposed to be a hedge against any laws the legislatures might create doing the opposite. One of those measures was Proposition 8 in California. On a national level, a Republican-led legislature created the Defense of Marriage Act, defining marriage at the national level as one man / one woman.
In a very short period of time, however, we have seen Americans understanding of, respect for, and - in some cases, simply tolerance of - LGBT realities and rights. DADT fell. Numerous states have legalized gay marriage.
Now two cases are before the Supreme Court: The CA Prop 8 case and the DOMA cases. The Prop 8 case will likely be decided on procedural grounds - whether California and other parties acted properly in the process of getting it enacted. The DOMA case, however, will be the one that can possibly really make a change. At the heart of the case is equal protection under the law - both from state to state and from the federal government. Last year, fellow blogger Velveeta Jones wrote a blog listing 1138 differences in law between married heterosexual couples and married gay couples.
Most Americans believe that gay marriage should be legalized so that those couples can enjoy the same benefits and protections that other married Americans have. The President, Vice-president, Democratic politicians (and even some Republican politicians) feel the same way. Most members of the Republican party, however, are stuck in a different era.
Karl Rove (the increasingly marginalized svengali-wannabe) even thinks that it's possible to have a Republican presidential candidate in support of gay marriage. To this I say "HA!", then add another "ha". After watching the Republican primary debates this past election cycle, any candidate for the Republican party that vocalized support for gay marriage would get booed off the stage, if not having their limbs torn asunder.
If you want to know how Republicans (and their advocates) feel about gay marriage, or about gay people in general, you need only listen to what they have to say:
Erstwhile Libertarian Rand Paul once again proving he's not really libertarian thinks that rather than put all marriages on an equal footing under the law, just pass a flat tax so there are no tax advantages either way. Of course, that does nothing to address the problems of hospital visitation, etc.
Faith and Freedom Coalition president Ralph Reed has stated that the point of marriage is for procreation. That thinking would invalidate my marriage (any childless couples' marriage), the marriages of the elderly, etc.
Family Research Council President Tony Perkins believes that gays getting married infringes on other people's rights... their right to be bigots, their right to be exclusive, their right to teach bigotry in schools.
American Values president Gary Bauer goes one step further, and flatly denies the polls are accurate. That he said so on FOX "News" where Karl Rove famously had his meltdown when the results of the voting matched the pre-election polling (and not their internal twisting of the numbers) somehow seems appropriate.
The GOP would like to project the image that they are the party of the people, but once again they are proving themselves wrong. They are the party of the monied, the bigoted, and the exclusionary. They aren't just trying to slow down progress, they are trying to turn the clock back. The last election showed that America is tired of it. The polls back it up.
In a very short period of time, however, we have seen Americans understanding of, respect for, and - in some cases, simply tolerance of - LGBT realities and rights. DADT fell. Numerous states have legalized gay marriage.
Now two cases are before the Supreme Court: The CA Prop 8 case and the DOMA cases. The Prop 8 case will likely be decided on procedural grounds - whether California and other parties acted properly in the process of getting it enacted. The DOMA case, however, will be the one that can possibly really make a change. At the heart of the case is equal protection under the law - both from state to state and from the federal government. Last year, fellow blogger Velveeta Jones wrote a blog listing 1138 differences in law between married heterosexual couples and married gay couples.
Most Americans believe that gay marriage should be legalized so that those couples can enjoy the same benefits and protections that other married Americans have. The President, Vice-president, Democratic politicians (and even some Republican politicians) feel the same way. Most members of the Republican party, however, are stuck in a different era.
Karl Rove (the increasingly marginalized svengali-wannabe) even thinks that it's possible to have a Republican presidential candidate in support of gay marriage. To this I say "HA!", then add another "ha". After watching the Republican primary debates this past election cycle, any candidate for the Republican party that vocalized support for gay marriage would get booed off the stage, if not having their limbs torn asunder.
If you want to know how Republicans (and their advocates) feel about gay marriage, or about gay people in general, you need only listen to what they have to say:
Erstwhile Libertarian Rand Paul once again proving he's not really libertarian thinks that rather than put all marriages on an equal footing under the law, just pass a flat tax so there are no tax advantages either way. Of course, that does nothing to address the problems of hospital visitation, etc.
Faith and Freedom Coalition president Ralph Reed has stated that the point of marriage is for procreation. That thinking would invalidate my marriage (any childless couples' marriage), the marriages of the elderly, etc.
Family Research Council President Tony Perkins believes that gays getting married infringes on other people's rights... their right to be bigots, their right to be exclusive, their right to teach bigotry in schools.
American Values president Gary Bauer goes one step further, and flatly denies the polls are accurate. That he said so on FOX "News" where Karl Rove famously had his meltdown when the results of the voting matched the pre-election polling (and not their internal twisting of the numbers) somehow seems appropriate.
The GOP would like to project the image that they are the party of the people, but once again they are proving themselves wrong. They are the party of the monied, the bigoted, and the exclusionary. They aren't just trying to slow down progress, they are trying to turn the clock back. The last election showed that America is tired of it. The polls back it up.
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Comment by 
TriSec on 03/25/2013 13:13:30
TriSec on 03/25/2013 13:13:30
Morning, comrades!
Actually, that's an insult to dinosaurs. 65 million years ago, some top predators were the most fearsome beasts ever to walk the earth. Mean, efficient, top of the food chain.
Today's GOP just doesn't compare to that kind of evolutionary efficiency. Besides, they don't believe in that scientific mumbo-jumbo, anyway.
Actually, that's an insult to dinosaurs. 65 million years ago, some top predators were the most fearsome beasts ever to walk the earth. Mean, efficient, top of the food chain.
Today's GOP just doesn't compare to that kind of evolutionary efficiency. Besides, they don't believe in that scientific mumbo-jumbo, anyway.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/25/2013 13:15:40
wickedpam on 03/25/2013 13:15:40
Just don't give them the grabbers.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/25/2013 13:16:05
wickedpam on 03/25/2013 13:16:05
Morning btw 
Comment by TriSec on 03/25/2013 13:26:42
TriSec on 03/25/2013 13:26:42
If we're comparing the GOP to earth creatures, I might go with Dung Beetles, but then again even the lowly beetle of poop serves a useful purpose.
Comment by 
Raine on 03/25/2013 13:33:00
Raine on 03/25/2013 13:33:00
WHAT the WHA? there is 2.5 inches of snow outside....
Good morning. I have returned from our stealth trip to NY over the weekend. Sisters bridal shower is now in the history books. 
Good morning. I have returned from our stealth trip to NY over the weekend. Sisters bridal shower is now in the history books.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/25/2013 13:34:59
there's almost 4" out at my place - thank goodness the roads were clear. it was a very pretty drive in to work.
I wondered what happened to you guys! Very stealthy :D
wickedpam on 03/25/2013 13:34:59
Quote by Raine:
WHAT the WHA? there is 2.5 inches of snow outside....
there's almost 4" out at my place - thank goodness the roads were clear. it was a very pretty drive in to work.
I wondered what happened to you guys! Very stealthy :D
Comment by TriSec on 03/25/2013 14:01:12
TriSec on 03/25/2013 14:01:12
Huh, I thought Washington ceased to exist if there was more than an inch of snow on the ground?
(In local news, it's mud season - we've iced-out, and the Cambridge reservoir is full.)
(In local news, it's mud season - we've iced-out, and the Cambridge reservoir is full.)
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 14:05:25
Raine on 03/25/2013 14:05:25
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 14:06:28
Raine on 03/25/2013 14:06:28
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 14:08:56
Raine on 03/25/2013 14:08:56
and in other news --- John Kerry made an unannounced visit to Afghanistan...
concurring with this....
concurring with this....
Afghanistan has taken over full control of Bagram military prison from the United States, drawing a line under one of the most contentious issues between the two countries.
The US was supposed to fully hand over the facility last September after signing an agreement to do so a year ago. But the transfer was held up pending a final deal between the US and the Afghans over the release of dangerous prisoners.
Bagram, now known as Parwan Detention Facility, currently holds several hundred Afghan prisoners, and about 50 foreigners, who will not be released and will remain in US custody.
Comment by 
BobR on 03/25/2013 14:21:35
BobR on 03/25/2013 14:21:35
blog is posted
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 14:35:06
Now that the blog is posted, I'm gonna 
Raine on 03/25/2013 14:35:06
Quote by Raine:
Well -- this is interesting.
Chief justice's lesbian cousin will attend Prop. 8 hearing
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 15:14:44
Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 15:14:44
Good morning, bloggers!! BobR, I agree that the GOP stands very far from where the majority of Americans stand on the issue of marriage equality.
I think Karl Rove has to be deluding himself on a candidate supporting marriage equality winning the GOP primaries. I think that any candidate advocating that position would lose supporters and funding.
Here in Chicago, only very light snow. We should hit 50 degrees by the weekend.
I think Karl Rove has to be deluding himself on a candidate supporting marriage equality winning the GOP primaries. I think that any candidate advocating that position would lose supporters and funding.
Here in Chicago, only very light snow. We should hit 50 degrees by the weekend.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 15:28:58
Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 15:28:58
Morning! My colon is as clean as whistle. If I may quote, "gonna crack my knuckles and jump for joy! Gotta clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy!
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 15:32:10
Raine on 03/25/2013 15:32:10
I think it is fair to say that we have turned a corner when one os surprised that a Dem hasn't already come out in favor of marriage equality.
Senator McCaskill has finally come out -- in favor.
Senator McCaskill has finally come out -- in favor.
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 15:32:46
YAY for Clean Colons!
Raine on 03/25/2013 15:32:46
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning! My colon is as clean as whistle. If I may quote, "gonna crack my knuckles and jump for joy! Gotta clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy!
YAY for Clean Colons!
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 15:33:25
Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 15:33:25
I got a parting gift from the clinic. A t shirt extolling the virtues of cancer screenings. And flatulance!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 15:35:55
Was it designed by the Irish artist Conn Mac Fart? ;)
Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 15:35:55
Quote by Mondobubba:
I got a parting gift from the clinic. A t shirt extolling the virtues of cancer screenings. And flatulance!
Was it designed by the Irish artist Conn Mac Fart? ;)
Comment by TriSec on 03/25/2013 15:39:27
TriSec on 03/25/2013 15:39:27
TriSec is miffed.
I think I may be quitting ol' Boy Scout Troop 250 after this summer. I've had enough of the closed-minded, clique-ish, disorganized, and utterly disrespectful goings on in the meeting hall.
We're paid through the end of the season, and Javi's popcorn money was going to pay for summer camp, but after that it's time.
25 years in uniform, and they think I'm a damn rookie.
I think I may be quitting ol' Boy Scout Troop 250 after this summer. I've had enough of the closed-minded, clique-ish, disorganized, and utterly disrespectful goings on in the meeting hall.
We're paid through the end of the season, and Javi's popcorn money was going to pay for summer camp, but after that it's time.
25 years in uniform, and they think I'm a damn rookie.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 15:43:10
Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 15:43:10
H
Why yes! Yes it was.
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Mondobubba:
I got a parting gift from the clinic. A t shirt extolling the virtues of cancer screenings. And flatulance!
Was it designed by the Irish artist Conn Mac Fart? ;)
Why yes! Yes it was.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 15:45:21
Nothing like petty group politics to turn a person off participation.
Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 15:45:21
Quote by TriSec:
TriSec is miffed.
I think I may be quitting ol' Boy Scout Troop 250 after this summer. I've had enough of the closed-minded, clique-ish, disorganized, and utterly disrespectful goings on in the meeting hall.
We're paid through the end of the season, and Javi's popcorn money was going to pay for summer camp, but after that it's time.
25 years in uniform, and they think I'm a damn rookie.
Nothing like petty group politics to turn a person off participation.
Comment by TriSec on 03/25/2013 15:52:34
TriSec on 03/25/2013 15:52:34
I am friendly with the other troop in town, but I know a unit in Watertown (next town over) that is relatively small and new, and would surely benefit from the help. I'm also longtime friends with their Cubmaster, and I'm going to his Webelos graduation tomorrow night.
I almost wonder if it's worth bailing now and going to camp with them. I did talk to an ally of mine on the T250 committee (his son is one of "my" Eagles), but I"ve had this conversation with him before. I'm not optimistic.
I almost wonder if it's worth bailing now and going to camp with them. I did talk to an ally of mine on the T250 committee (his son is one of "my" Eagles), but I"ve had this conversation with him before. I'm not optimistic.
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/25/2013 16:39:59
livingonli on 03/25/2013 16:39:59
Good day, folks. I have to wonder about the state of the mind of the person who thinks that either Fox News or Glenn Beck's "Blaze" channel are too liberal since that seems to be what these right-wing boycotters are saying.
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 16:48:41
go to his twitter page...
Stormfront looks about right for this one.
Raine on 03/25/2013 16:48:41
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. I have to wonder about the state of the mind of the person who thinks that either Fox News or Glenn Beck's "Blaze" channel are too liberal since that seems to be what these right-wing boycotters are saying.
Stormfront looks about right for this one.
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 16:49:31
I'm not kidding.
Raine on 03/25/2013 16:49:31
Quote by Raine:go to his twitter page...Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. I have to wonder about the state of the mind of the person who thinks that either Fox News or Glenn Beck's "Blaze" channel are too liberal since that seems to be what these right-wing boycotters are saying.
Stormfront looks about right for this one.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/25/2013 17:00:14
oh lord
seriously when do these people get to be on the margins and not in the supposed main stream again?
wickedpam on 03/25/2013 17:00:14
Quote by Raine:I'm not kidding.Quote by Raine:go to his twitter page...Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. I have to wonder about the state of the mind of the person who thinks that either Fox News or Glenn Beck's "Blaze" channel are too liberal since that seems to be what these right-wing boycotters are saying.
Stormfront looks about right for this one.
oh lord
seriously when do these people get to be on the margins and not in the supposed main stream again?
Comment by livingonli on 03/25/2013 17:06:35
Before the teabagger movement came along, these people largely were in the margins and not taken seriously by anyone not wearing a tinfoil hat. It does seem as if Fox News and right-wing talk radio have pushed the discourse so far to the right, that these groups that were once considered too extreme are now seen as the mainstream of the conservative movement.
livingonli on 03/25/2013 17:06:35
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I'm not kidding.Quote by Raine:go to his twitter page...Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. I have to wonder about the state of the mind of the person who thinks that either Fox News or Glenn Beck's "Blaze" channel are too liberal since that seems to be what these right-wing boycotters are saying.
Stormfront looks about right for this one.
oh lord
seriously when do these people get to be on the margins and not in the supposed main stream again?
Before the teabagger movement came along, these people largely were in the margins and not taken seriously by anyone not wearing a tinfoil hat. It does seem as if Fox News and right-wing talk radio have pushed the discourse so far to the right, that these groups that were once considered too extreme are now seen as the mainstream of the conservative movement.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 17:14:18
Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 17:14:18
Home where I belong.
Comment by TriSec on 03/25/2013 17:52:40
TriSec on 03/25/2013 17:52:40
Say, on the plus side, I swam a kilometer yesterday, all at once!
(I was checking for Scout Camp. I only needed to swim 100 meters, but I was feeling pretty good, so I kept going. Imagine my surprise when I did the math later.)
I was planing on doing the mile swim at camp this year. I am reassured that it should be as easy as it always was.
(I was checking for Scout Camp. I only needed to swim 100 meters, but I was feeling pretty good, so I kept going. Imagine my surprise when I did the math later.)
I was planing on doing the mile swim at camp this year. I am reassured that it should be as easy as it always was.
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 18:31:59
This HAS to be a typo. ETA emFAHsis. 
Raine on 03/25/2013 18:31:59
This HAS to be a typo. An amendment was offered as an attachment to the Senate budget bill and it not only gained the support of both Republicans and Democrats, it received unanimous support. By a vote of 99-0, the U.S. Senate voted to strip "too big to fail" banks of the taxpayer subsidies they've been getting for far too long.
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 18:39:41
Rest. you deserve it.
Raine on 03/25/2013 18:39:41
Quote by Mondobubba:
Home where I belong.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 18:59:26
Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 18:59:26
Rest up, Mondo!
Well, Passover starts tonight. Being the only observant Jew in any sense by my brother's house, I am having a mini-seder for one before a seder at Temple tomorrow. (We will open a door in case Elijah shows up and have a plate for him. If Sam Seder shows up, we will manage as well. )
Well, Passover starts tonight. Being the only observant Jew in any sense by my brother's house, I am having a mini-seder for one before a seder at Temple tomorrow. (We will open a door in case Elijah shows up and have a plate for him. If Sam Seder shows up, we will manage as well. )
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 19:00:23
This is a positive sign. Let us hope this catches on like a wildfire.
Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 19:00:23
Quote by Raine:
ETA emFAHsis.An amendment was offered as an attachment to the Senate budget bill and it not only gained the support of both Republicans and Democrats, it received unanimous support. By a vote of 99-0, the U.S. Senate voted to strip "too big to fail" banks of the taxpayer subsidies they've been getting for far too long.
This is a positive sign. Let us hope this catches on like a wildfire.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 19:01:12
Will in Chicago on 03/25/2013 19:01:12
Nicole Sandler will be in for Randi Rhodes this week. Hmm, I wonder if Michelle Shocked will try to call in.
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 19:16:09
What if 'mini' Sam seder shows up?
Raine on 03/25/2013 19:16:09
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Rest up, Mondo!
Well, Passover starts tonight. Being the only observant Jew in any sense by my brother's house, I am having a mini-seder for one before a seder at Temple tomorrow. (We will open a door in case Elijah shows up and have a plate for him. If Sam Seder shows up, we will manage as well. )
What if 'mini' Sam seder shows up?
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 19:17:54
Raine on 03/25/2013 19:17:54
All joking aside, have a blessed passover, Will.
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 19:19:22
That's pretty impressive, Tri.
Out of curiosity, where do you swim? Town pool, YMCA?
Raine on 03/25/2013 19:19:22
Quote by TriSec:
Say, on the plus side, I swam a kilometer yesterday, all at once!
(I was checking for Scout Camp. I only needed to swim 100 meters, but I was feeling pretty good, so I kept going. Imagine my surprise when I did the math later.)
I was planing on doing the mile swim at camp this year. I am reassured that it should be as easy as it always was.
Out of curiosity, where do you swim? Town pool, YMCA?
Comment by TriSec on 03/25/2013 19:51:52
Open ocean. We New Englanders are a hardy lot.
(Watertown Boy's & Girl's club - it was a Cub Scout event. All the more impressive, I haven't been in the water since last May.)
TriSec on 03/25/2013 19:51:52
Quote by Raine:
That's pretty impressive, Tri.
Out of curiosity, where do you swim? Town pool, YMCA?
Open ocean. We New Englanders are a hardy lot.
(Watertown Boy's & Girl's club - it was a Cub Scout event. All the more impressive, I haven't been in the water since last May.)
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 20:07:03
ok, now you're just bragging.
In all seriousness, the Atlantic in late march is VERY impressive. BRR.
Raine on 03/25/2013 20:07:03
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
That's pretty impressive, Tri.
Out of curiosity, where do you swim? Town pool, YMCA?
Open ocean. We New Englanders are a hardy lot.
(Watertown Boy's & Girl's club - it was a Cub Scout event. All the more impressive, I haven't been in the water since last May.)
In all seriousness, the Atlantic in late march is VERY impressive. BRR.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 20:19:19
Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 20:19:19
Bob, Luna Lee totally rocks! 
Comment by 
clintster on 03/25/2013 20:32:11
clintster on 03/25/2013 20:32:11
A friend of mine who is trying to make a living as an actor and writer in NYC just got a yuge compliment:
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 21:05:13
We need to make this happen.
Raine on 03/25/2013 21:05:13
Quote by clintster:
A friend of mine who is trying to make a living as an actor and writer in NYC just got a yuge compliment:
Comment by Raine on 03/25/2013 21:47:37
Raine on 03/25/2013 21:47:37
I hate the FB album up-loader. I used to be able to create a lovely album via iphoto... ezpz -- and Someone (apple or FB, I dunno) stopped supporting it. Now I am in hour 3 of trying to upload an album. Kill me.
Kill me now.
Kill me now.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 22:24:50
Na, ya don't need killin'.
Mondobubba on 03/25/2013 22:24:50
Quote by Raine:
I hate the FB album up-loader. I used to be able to create a lovely album via iphoto... ezpz -- and Someone (apple or FB, I dunno) stopped supporting it. Now I am in hour 3 of trying to upload an album. Kill me.
Kill me now.
Na, ya don't need killin'.
Comment by Raine on 03/26/2013 00:03:22
HOUR 5
Raine on 03/26/2013 00:03:22
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I hate the FB album up-loader. I used to be able to create a lovely album via iphoto... ezpz -- and Someone (apple or FB, I dunno) stopped supporting it. Now I am in hour 3 of trying to upload an album. Kill me.
Kill me now.
Na, ya don't need killin'.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/26/2013 00:08:38
Okay, maybe now.
Mondobubba on 03/26/2013 00:08:38
Quote by Raine:HOUR 5Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I hate the FB album up-loader. I used to be able to create a lovely album via iphoto... ezpz -- and Someone (apple or FB, I dunno) stopped supporting it. Now I am in hour 3 of trying to upload an album. Kill me.
Kill me now.
Na, ya don't need killin'.
Okay, maybe now.
Comment by TriSec on 03/26/2013 01:10:30
TriSec on 03/26/2013 01:10:30
Raine dear...switch to Picasa. I'll come down and help put all the hair back in that you pulled out. (Or do you want to donate it to the group that makes wigs for cancer patients?)
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/26/2013 01:41:05
Hmm, I guess we get another high chair?
Will in Chicago on 03/26/2013 01:41:05
Quote by Raine:Quote by Will in Chicago:
Rest up, Mondo!
Well, Passover starts tonight. Being the only observant Jew in any sense by my brother's house, I am having a mini-seder for one before a seder at Temple tomorrow. (We will open a door in case Elijah shows up and have a plate for him. If Sam Seder shows up, we will manage as well. )
What if 'mini' Sam seder shows up?
Hmm, I guess we get another high chair?