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About Last Night.
Author: Raine
Date: 04/17/2008 12:40:58
I must say I am rather disgusted. As was mentioned last night, on our live blog, they were discussing the spin instead of the issues. I feel like ABC let everyone down, Both Clinton and Obama supporters alike.
This was not a debate, it was a hit job, by a corporate controlled news outlet. We have precious little time before the Pennsylvania Primary, and instead of the moderators asking questions about issues, we got a 20 minute discussion on a flag pin. (52 minutes altogether on the alleged Obama controversies) These are non issues, and it is an insult to the American intelligence for these 2 men to be asking such questions.
Here are the issues:
The Economy...
The War...
Health Care...
Housing...
4 dollars a gallon gas...
Social Security...
Education...
Job Security...
Federal Budget...
National Security...
Putting food on the table....
The Economy....
The Economy....
The Economy....
Instead of issues, last nite, we got Agenda:
Flag Pins, Shady neighbors, the Weather underground, Reverends, Bitterness.
Well, now I'm bitter. VERY bitter. Last Night instead of attempting to give us a dignified debate, ABC chose to fan the flames of controversy. Instead of letting these two candidates DEBATE, they turned it into an episode of Jerry Springer. They did an injustice to the American people. From Tom Shayles column in the Washington Post:
Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos are not news men, they are corporate shills working for the same company that brought *The Path to 9/11* Remember that hit job? Come to think of it... Let me add one more thing to that list of issues...
Get rid of for-profit debates.
Last night was a debacle. ABC News is dead to me.
Here is contact Information to ABC (thanks ShelaghC !)
ABC News Feedback page
Phone and email contact via FAIR:
ABC News
77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-7777 UPDATE: USE THIS NUMBER (818) 460-7477
General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com
ABC Media Relations via ABC MediaNet:
ABC Media Relations:
Natalie Raabe
(212) 456-2418
Charles Gibson's bio at ABC - with commenting avalable.
Gibson's official facebook page - you must be a member to post on a Facebook wall.
:peace: and
Raine
This was not a debate, it was a hit job, by a corporate controlled news outlet. We have precious little time before the Pennsylvania Primary, and instead of the moderators asking questions about issues, we got a 20 minute discussion on a flag pin. (52 minutes altogether on the alleged Obama controversies) These are non issues, and it is an insult to the American intelligence for these 2 men to be asking such questions.
The Economy...
The War...
Health Care...
Housing...
4 dollars a gallon gas...
Social Security...
Education...
Job Security...
Federal Budget...
National Security...
Putting food on the table....
The Economy....
The Economy....
The Economy....
Instead of issues, last nite, we got Agenda:
Flag Pins, Shady neighbors, the Weather underground, Reverends, Bitterness.
Well, now I'm bitter. VERY bitter. Last Night instead of attempting to give us a dignified debate, ABC chose to fan the flames of controversy. Instead of letting these two candidates DEBATE, they turned it into an episode of Jerry Springer. They did an injustice to the American people. From Tom Shayles column in the Washington Post:
To this observer, ABC's coverage seemed slanted against Obama. The director cut several times to reaction shots of such Clinton supporters as her daughter, Chelsea, who sat in the audience at the Kimmel Theater in Philly's National Constitution Center. Obama supporters did not get equal screen time, giving the impression that there weren't any in the hall. The director also clumsily chose to pan the audience at the very start of the debate, when the candidates made their opening statements, so Obama and Clinton were barely seen before the first commercial break.
At the end, Gibson pompously thanked the candidates -- or was he really patting himself on the back? -- for "what I think has been a fascinating debate." He's entitled to his opinion, but the most fascinating aspect was waiting to see how low he and Stephanopoulos would go, and then being appalled at the answer.
Get rid of for-profit debates.
Last night was a debacle. ABC News is dead to me.
Here is contact Information to ABC (thanks ShelaghC !)
ABC News Feedback page
Phone and email contact via FAIR:
ABC News
77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-7777 UPDATE: USE THIS NUMBER (818) 460-7477
General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com
ABC Media Relations via ABC MediaNet:
ABC Media Relations:
Natalie Raabe
(212) 456-2418
Charles Gibson's bio at ABC - with commenting avalable.
Gibson's official facebook page - you must be a member to post on a Facebook wall.
:peace: and
Raine
Comments:
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Comment by 
BobR on 04/17/2008 12:54:01
BobR on 04/17/2008 12:54:01
What a waste of airtime that debate was. It probably helped McSame more than anyone.
btw - new poll shows McCain winning over Democrats.
Yes - it's time for this ugly primary to come to an end...
btw - new poll shows McCain winning over Democrats.
Yes - it's time for this ugly primary to come to an end...
Comment by 
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:07:00
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:07:00
Thanks for that little bit of sunshine Bobber.
You know, it occurs to me after watching that Debate last night, the Movie, Idiocracy was off buy a few hundred years... we are there now.
You know, it occurs to me after watching that Debate last night, the Movie, Idiocracy was off buy a few hundred years... we are there now.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 13:08:38
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 13:08:38
FIRST!!
Good morning, bloggers!!
I am an Obama supporter, but even if I was not, I would find 52 minutes on flag pins, neighbors, and clergy to be obsessive. (Perhaps Obama should mention the Family L See this story from last year from Mother Jones and Hillary's Nasty Pastorate from the Nation.
I want to hear questions about the issues that matter to me. Instead, some of the questioning last night brought to mind the words of Samuel Johnson: Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
The early draft of the UNN Daily Headlines is up - with a lot of stories and commentaries on last night's ..... debacle. (I suppose we should be glad that one of the questions was not, "Senator Obama, have you stopped beating your wife yet?")
Good morning, bloggers!!
I am an Obama supporter, but even if I was not, I would find 52 minutes on flag pins, neighbors, and clergy to be obsessive. (Perhaps Obama should mention the Family L See this story from last year from Mother Jones and Hillary's Nasty Pastorate from the Nation.
I want to hear questions about the issues that matter to me. Instead, some of the questioning last night brought to mind the words of Samuel Johnson: Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
The early draft of the UNN Daily Headlines is up - with a lot of stories and commentaries on last night's ..... debacle. (I suppose we should be glad that one of the questions was not, "Senator Obama, have you stopped beating your wife yet?")
Comment by 
shelaghc on 04/17/2008 13:10:03
shelaghc on 04/17/2008 13:10:03
ABC News Feedback page
Phone and email contact via FAIR:
ABC News
77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-7777
General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com
ABC Media Relations via ABC MediaNet:
ABC Media Relations:
Natalie Raabe
(212) 456-2418
Charles Gibson's bio at ABC - with commenting avalable.
Gibson's official facebook page - you must be a member to post on a Facebook wall.
Phone and email contact via FAIR:
ABC News
77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-7777
General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com
ABC Media Relations via ABC MediaNet:
ABC Media Relations:
Natalie Raabe
(212) 456-2418
Charles Gibson's bio at ABC - with commenting avalable.
Gibson's official facebook page - you must be a member to post on a Facebook wall.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:10:07
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:10:07
Did Momma watch the debate last night?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 13:11:26
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 13:11:26
Okay, THIRD! Long response.
I will be popping in and out while working on a few things. I am surprised to be at home, but I do get to play phone tag in a little bit.
I will be popping in and out while working on a few things. I am surprised to be at home, but I do get to play phone tag in a little bit.
Comment by connor on 04/17/2008 13:13:54
I spit on Charlie Gibson!
Comment by connor on 04/17/2008 13:14:20
He's baaaaack!
He's baaaaack!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:14:38
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:14:38
Hey connor baby!!!! :::: hug ::::
Comment by connor on 04/17/2008 13:15:39
Love ya! getting ready for the office and wanted to check in!
Quote by Raine:
Hey connor baby!!!! :::: hug ::::
Love ya! getting ready for the office and wanted to check in!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:15:52
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:15:52
Wow that Flush is a lot longer than I thought!!!
Comment by connor on 04/17/2008 13:17:25
The audios ROCK!!!
Quote by Raine:
Wow that Flush is a lot longer than I thought!!!
The audios ROCK!!!
Comment by shelaghc on 04/17/2008 13:21:13
shelaghc on 04/17/2008 13:21:13
Raine, if you like, you can add all those links and addresses to the blog post.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:22:04
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:22:04
An Afro-Leninist?!?! WTF?!?!?
Comment by 
starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:24:21
starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:24:21
RAINE! 
morning all.
morning all.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 13:27:06
Thanks for that. Here's what I sent them:
BobR on 04/17/2008 13:27:06
Quote by shelaghc:
ABC News Feedback page
Phone and email contact via FAIR:
ABC News
77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-7777
General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com
ABC Media Relations via ABC MediaNet:
ABC Media Relations:
Natalie Raabe
(212) 456-2418
Charles Gibson's bio at ABC - with commenting avalable.
Gibson's official facebook page - you must be a member to post on a Facebook wall.
Thanks for that. Here's what I sent them:
That wasn't a debate last night, it was a debacle. With one of the most important elections in our lifetime approaching, and *important* issues facing every American (such as the economy, the war in Iraq, Corporatism, etc.), close to 3/4 of the time was spent on non-issues like reverends, flag pins, Bosnia tales, and the "bitter" comments.
We deserved better. We *needed* better.
Shame.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:28:47
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:28:47
This was how the debate went last night...
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:28:50
starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:28:50
Donnie Donnie Donnie. . . does reverend wright, or a lapel pin put food on your table, and cheap gas in your car. DOUCHEBAG.
Comment by right wing hater on 04/17/2008 13:30:18
That was exactly why when you refer to the media....as 'mainstream media' you're playing into the hands of the corporatocracy....
They aren't 'mainstream'....they are the CM, CORPORATE MEDIA. 5 companies that do nothing but wax poetic about the evil driven machinations of the uber wealthy ruling class and castigate those who would dare oppose the wealthy aristocracy and and endlessly broadcast their propaganda. They do this to further the wealth gap and create a permanent 'me society' or as Busheviks/'free marketists' refer to it an 'ownership society'....
That's very amusing coming from the man who has displayed no talent other than running his pyramid scheme corporations into bankruptcy and abrogation.
They aren't 'mainstream'....they are the CM, CORPORATE MEDIA. 5 companies that do nothing but wax poetic about the evil driven machinations of the uber wealthy ruling class and castigate those who would dare oppose the wealthy aristocracy and and endlessly broadcast their propaganda. They do this to further the wealth gap and create a permanent 'me society' or as Busheviks/'free marketists' refer to it an 'ownership society'....
That's very amusing coming from the man who has displayed no talent other than running his pyramid scheme corporations into bankruptcy and abrogation.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:33:10
we have so many of them I can't keep track anymore...
I know I still have to do an audicon blog... I promiseed, and I will keep that promise.
Connor, When Wicked Pam gets in she is going to faint at the sight of your name!
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:33:10
Quote by connor:Quote by Raine:
Wow that Flush is a lot longer than I thought!!!
The audios ROCK!!!
I know I still have to do an audicon blog... I promiseed, and I will keep that promise.
Connor, When Wicked Pam gets in she is going to faint at the sight of your name!
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 13:36:56
g'morning!
I was in the car and couldn't post here, but seriously wtf -- though it is fun to say out loud afro-leninist afro-leninist afro-leninist
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 13:36:56
Quote by Raine:
An Afro-Leninist?!?! WTF?!?!?
g'morning!
I was in the car and couldn't post here, but seriously wtf -- though it is fun to say out loud afro-leninist afro-leninist afro-leninist
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:41:24
starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:41:24
So, according to the Corporate Media's logic:
My paternal grandfather was a pedophile...I guess that makes me a pedophile.
My brother was an alcoholic...I guess that makes me an alcoholic.
F*ckers!
disclaimer: had i known about my grandfather before he died, i would have talked to him even less than i already did.
further disclaimer...i wouldn't have talked to him at all, and probably would have turned him in. . .don't want to go into the family history in full. Hopefully you get my point!
My paternal grandfather was a pedophile...I guess that makes me a pedophile.
My brother was an alcoholic...I guess that makes me an alcoholic.
F*ckers!
disclaimer: had i known about my grandfather before he died, i would have talked to him even less than i already did.
further disclaimer...i wouldn't have talked to him at all, and probably would have turned him in. . .don't want to go into the family history in full. Hopefully you get my point!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:44:11
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:44:11
Gotta say I disagree with 
there.
F*ck the need for ratings. Seriously.
All debates should be on C-span and pbs from now on. No corporate sponsors, PERIOD.
there. F*ck the need for ratings. Seriously.
All debates should be on C-span and pbs from now on. No corporate sponsors, PERIOD.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:44:50
Good morning RWH! 
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:44:50
Quote by right wing hater:
That was exactly why when you refer to the media....as 'mainstream media' you're playing into the hands of the corporatocracy....
They aren't 'mainstream'....they are the CM, CORPORATE MEDIA. 5 companies that do nothing but wax poetic about the evil driven machinations of the uber wealthy ruling class and castigate those who would dare oppose the wealthy aristocracy and and endlessly broadcast their propaganda. They do this to further the wealth gap and create a permanent 'me society' or as Busheviks/'free marketists' refer to it an 'ownership society'....
That's very amusing coming from the man who has displayed no talent other than running his pyramid scheme corporations into bankruptcy and abrogation.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:45:37
Hmmm that is not a bad Idea at all...
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:45:37
Quote by shelaghc:
Raine, if you like, you can add all those links and addresses to the blog post.
Hmmm that is not a bad Idea at all...
Comment by right wing hater on 04/17/2008 13:45:54
Good morning Raine & Bob & Everyone!
Daily Reading has been posted to News of the Day in Forum
Oh Raine....Laina & I haven't watched ABC, CBS, or NBC in years...
We only put CNN on when they have a 'debate'....and then we usually turn it off...
KO & MSNBC...the only place you can find good old fashioned journalism...
Daily Reading has been posted to News of the Day in Forum
Oh Raine....Laina & I haven't watched ABC, CBS, or NBC in years...
We only put CNN on when they have a 'debate'....and then we usually turn it off...
KO & MSNBC...the only place you can find good old fashioned journalism...
Comment by 
livingonli on 04/17/2008 13:50:38
livingonli on 04/17/2008 13:50:38
Good morning all.
That debate was two hours of my life I will never get back. I think I got more out of my interactions at this blog, AAP (not as much), the Shoot the Messenger blog and the Democracy Interactive chatroom. I went in there when some people were commenting during hour 3 of Jeff Farias show about not being able to see the debate live because the debate was not shown live in the Mountain and Pacific time zones.
That debate was two hours of my life I will never get back. I think I got more out of my interactions at this blog, AAP (not as much), the Shoot the Messenger blog and the Democracy Interactive chatroom. I went in there when some people were commenting during hour 3 of Jeff Farias show about not being able to see the debate live because the debate was not shown live in the Mountain and Pacific time zones.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 13:50:43
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 13:50:43
Connor! :hug:
Morning all! :hug:
Sheesh I'm glad I forgot there was a debate and watched Big Brother instead.
Morning all! :hug:
Sheesh I'm glad I forgot there was a debate and watched Big Brother instead.
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:51:25
starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:51:25
Further clarification on my comment. . . 
Alcoholics can be good people, as in my Bro's case.
Pedophiles? Never good people.
But, this bullSHITE about you are the SAME as anyone you know is completely LUDICROUS!
Alcoholics can be good people, as in my Bro's case.
Pedophiles? Never good people.
But, this bullSHITE about you are the SAME as anyone you know is completely LUDICROUS!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:51:37
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:51:37
I added the information provided to the front page of the blog.
The Debate in 30 seconds:
:puke:
provided to the front page of the blog. The Debate in 30 seconds:
:puke:
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 13:51:53
livingonli on 04/17/2008 13:51:53
Good morning Mala. You should have joined us on the blog last night. it was a blast. 
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:53:16
But you missed the party in Connor's room!
starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:53:16
Quote by wickedpam:
Sheesh I'm glad I forgot there was a debate and watched Big Brother instead.
But you missed the party in Connor's room!
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 13:56:29
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 13:56:29
Party in Connor's Room?! Dang it all!
Heyya Liv, Star, Everyone.
Heyya Liv, Star, Everyone.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:56:29
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:56:29
:thud:
Seriously, this is one that is funny and sad at the same time...
Seriously, this is one that is funny and sad at the same time...
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 13:57:18
It's insulting. Totally insulting... My blood pressure is rising today.
Raine on 04/17/2008 13:57:18
Quote by starling310:
But, this bullSHITE about you are the SAME as anyone you know is completely LUDICROUS!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 13:57:54
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 13:57:54
Oh, Bill, Bill, Bill. For shame.
Young and Bitter for Obama.
Young and Bitter for Obama.
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:59:24
starling310 on 04/17/2008 13:59:24
JD...did you hear about the Bumper Stickers I made?
"BITTER" VOTER FOR OBAMA
I am hoping to get them in the mail soon. . . be glad to send ya one!
"BITTER" VOTER FOR OBAMA
I am hoping to get them in the mail soon. . . be glad to send ya one!
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 14:00:00
starling310 on 04/17/2008 14:00:00
Mala's also got them for sale in her Cafe Press shop. . . WICKEDBITS.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:01:26
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:01:26
Hey... Mala, can you give me a link again to your cafe press shop? I want to put it up in our links section!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 14:02:26
I saw that yesterday - I'd love one!
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 14:02:26
Quote by starling310:
JD...did you hear about the Bumper Stickers I made?
"BITTER" VOTER FOR OBAMA
I am hoping to get them in the mail soon. . . be glad to send ya one!
I saw that yesterday - I'd love one!
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:03:38
Do you still have your cafe press shop?
livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:03:38
Quote by Raine:
Hey... Mala, can you give me a link again to your cafe press shop? I want to put it up in our links section!
Do you still have your cafe press shop?
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:05:41
Somewhere. I only have the one shirt and no one bought it.
I was kinda lazy about it...
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:05:41
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
Hey... Mala, can you give me a link again to your cafe press shop? I want to put it up in our links section!
Do you still have your cafe press shop?
I was kinda lazy about it...
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:06:37
Thanks for the plugs guys! :hug:
WickedBits
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:06:37
Quote by Raine:
Hey... Mala, can you give me a link again to your cafe press shop? I want to put it up in our links section!
Thanks for the plugs guys!
:hug:WickedBits
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:07:21
I think you should re-open it :D
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:07:21
Quote by Raine:Somewhere. I only have the one shirt and no one bought it.Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
Hey... Mala, can you give me a link again to your cafe press shop? I want to put it up in our links section!
Do you still have your cafe press shop?
I was kinda lazy about it...
I think you should re-open it :D
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:08:29
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:08:29
And the mind reels about the possible topics.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:08:53
******Updated Phone number for ABC in Blog post******
And here as well: (818) 460-7477
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:08:53
And here as well: (818) 460-7477
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:09:18
You must have some stuff from your paintings. If it's the T-Shirt with the painting that I think it is I would buy an XXL one.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:09:18
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Somewhere. I only have the one shirt and no one bought it.Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
Hey... Mala, can you give me a link again to your cafe press shop? I want to put it up in our links section!
Do you still have your cafe press shop?
I was kinda lazy about it...
I think you should re-open it :D
You must have some stuff from your paintings. If it's the T-Shirt with the painting that I think it is I would buy an XXL one.
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 14:10:33
Wassup with the CafePress shop? Do you make money from the stuff?
I have a couple of t-shirts, but I am always nervouse to sell them because of Intellectual Property stuff.
Like the I Helen Thomas tee is awesome, but am I allowed to use her name??? :shrug:
starling310 on 04/17/2008 14:10:33
Quote by Raine:Somewhere. I only have the one shirt and no one bought it.Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
Hey... Mala, can you give me a link again to your cafe press shop? I want to put it up in our links section!
Do you still have your cafe press shop?
I was kinda lazy about it...
Wassup with the CafePress shop? Do you make money from the stuff?
I have a couple of t-shirts, but I am always nervouse to sell them because of Intellectual Property stuff.
Like the I
Helen Thomas tee is awesome, but am I allowed to use her name??? :shrug:
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:13:43
livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:13:43
I love the Grampa Simpson drops. 
Maybe Shane-O should put some of those here.
Maybe Shane-O should put some of those here.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:14:32
In theroy you're suppose to be able to make money, I would just be happy to have some extra cash to spend for Christmas or on the house.
The Intellectuall stuff I think you just can't use anything that's got copyrights like company logo's and I think certain characters.
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:14:32
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:Somewhere. I only have the one shirt and no one bought it.Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
Hey... Mala, can you give me a link again to your cafe press shop? I want to put it up in our links section!
Do you still have your cafe press shop?
I was kinda lazy about it...
Wassup with the CafePress shop? Do you make money from the stuff?
I have a couple of t-shirts, but I am always nervouse to sell them because of Intellectual Property stuff.
Like the I
In theroy you're suppose to be able to make money, I would just be happy to have some extra cash to spend for Christmas or on the house.
The Intellectuall stuff I think you just can't use anything that's got copyrights like company logo's and I think certain characters.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:15:13
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:15:13
:thud: From Sam Stein at huffPo:
"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."
The statement -- which author Benjamin Barber witnessed and wrote about in his book, "The Truth of Power: Intellectual Affairs in the Clinton White House" -- was prompted by another speaker raising the difficulties of reaching "Reagan Democrats." It stands in stark contrast to the attitude the New York Democrat has recently taken on the campaign trail, in which she has presented herself as the one candidate who understands the working-class needs.
"I don't think [Obama] really gets it that people are looking for a president who stands up for you and not looks down on you," she said this week.
But those who were at the event say the 1995 episode fits into her larger viewpoint. As Harry Boyte, the director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Democracy and Citizenship who was at the retreat, told The Huffington Post: "[Hillary Clinton] sees herself as the champion of the oppressed, but there is always a kind of good guy versus bad guy mentality. The comment before that was that 'the Reagan Democrats are our enemies and they weren't on our side,' and she was agreeing with that comment. She said we should write them off: screw them."
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:19:36
livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:19:36
I have had a problem with the Clintons even when Bill was President because of the whole centrist DLC things which meant there was no real undoing of the Reagan/Bush I policies and then we had the disaster that was Bush II which will hopefully discredit conservative policies for at least another generation.
We need another FDR.
We need another FDR.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:21:11
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:21:11
I don't have my cafe press shop here on this computer. I will grab it up a little later.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:25:52
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:25:52
you know the thing that STILL has me po'd from last night was when Clinton proclaimed NY as HER city.
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:27:02
livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:27:02
I still have a lot of crap I've been wanting to sell on eBay but I've been too lazy about it. The extra income would help me a lot.
Last night I was talking over on the Democracy Interactive chat room. I even talked with Sarge and a lot of people who really can't stand Hillary. Sarge also seemed to hint that NovaM would like to lure Sam over as well. I want to see either Sam get Randi's slot or if they don't give him a daily show again that he is able to jump over to NovaM
Last night I was talking over on the Democracy Interactive chat room. I even talked with Sarge and a lot of people who really can't stand Hillary. Sarge also seemed to hint that NovaM would like to lure Sam over as well. I want to see either Sam get Randi's slot or if they don't give him a daily show again that he is able to jump over to NovaM
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:28:15
I actually don't mind someone who will choose the best things from both parties. It's just right not the center is looking like the left since we went so far to the right.
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:28:15
Quote by livingonli:
I have had a problem with the Clintons even when Bill was President because of the whole centrist DLC things which meant there was no real undoing of the Reagan/Bush I policies and then we had the disaster that was Bush II which will hopefully discredit conservative policies for at least another generation.
We need another FDR.
I actually don't mind someone who will choose the best things from both parties. It's just right not the center is looking like the left since we went so far to the right.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 14:30:08
She may not want to claim Little Rock, and if she claimed the Chicago suburb of Park Ridge, that would seen elitist.
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 14:30:08
Quote by Raine:
you know the thing that STILL has me po'd from last night was when Clinton proclaimed NY as HER city.
She may not want to claim Little Rock, and if she claimed the Chicago suburb of Park Ridge, that would seen elitist.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 14:30:08
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 14:30:08
I think Obama handled it very well
Comment by 
TriSec on 04/17/2008 14:34:16
TriSec on 04/17/2008 14:34:16
Ooog....
I've got so much salt to deal with today that deer are starting to line up to lick me...
I've got so much salt to deal with today that deer are starting to line up to lick me...
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:34:24
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:34:24
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 14:35:17
I believe the old saying (old as in the '90s) was: "Left is Right and Right is wrong"
BobR on 04/17/2008 14:35:17
Quote by wickedpam:
I actually don't mind someone who will choose the best things from both parties. It's just right not the center is looking like the left since we went so far to the right.
I believe the old saying (old as in the '90s) was: "Left is Right and Right is wrong"
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:35:18
Might want to just have a yard sale instead, no shipping involved.
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:35:18
Quote by livingonli:
I still have a lot of crap I've been wanting to sell on eBay but I've been too lazy about it. The extra income would help me a lot.
Last night I was talking over on the Democracy Interactive chat room. I even talked with Sarge and a lot of people who really can't stand Hillary. Sarge also seemed to hint that NovaM would like to lure Sam over as well. I want to see either Sam get Randi's slot or if they don't give him a daily show again that he is able to jump over to NovaM
Might want to just have a yard sale instead, no shipping involved.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:38:49
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:38:49
John Dean for AG!!!
( I know everyone wants John Edwards... but I want John Dean, he is independant... )
( I know everyone wants John Edwards... but I want John Dean, he is independant...
)
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:40:53
But with the bidding, you can sometimes get more money through eBay. I really can't believe what some people will buy. And this is from a guy who has TV Guides going back to the 1950's. Even my comics only go back to the mid-1960's. Then again even the early 1960's books are too expensive for me.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:40:53
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
I still have a lot of crap I've been wanting to sell on eBay but I've been too lazy about it. The extra income would help me a lot.
Might want to just have a yard sale instead, no shipping involved.
But with the bidding, you can sometimes get more money through eBay. I really can't believe what some people will buy. And this is from a guy who has TV Guides going back to the 1950's. Even my comics only go back to the mid-1960's. Then again even the early 1960's books are too expensive for me.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:43:15
I just got a mental picture of cartoon deer queing up to lick a Tri size salt lick. :spit:
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:43:15
Quote by TriSec:
Ooog....
I've got so much salt to deal with today that deer are starting to line up to lick me...
I just got a mental picture of cartoon deer queing up to lick a Tri size salt lick. :spit:
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:44:22
Imagine that.
I liked what Jon Stewart said *I thought Elitist was good?*
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:44:22
Quote by will in chicago:Quote by Raine:
you know the thing that STILL has me po'd from last night was when Clinton proclaimed NY as HER city.
She may not want to claim Little Rock, and if she claimed the Chicago suburb of Park Ridge, that would seen elitist.
I liked what Jon Stewart said *I thought Elitist was good?*
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 14:46:17
BobR on 04/17/2008 14:46:17
Quote by wickedpam:
I just got a mental picture of cartoon deer queing up to lick a Tri size salt lick. :spit:
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:52:47
Poor Tri. Consumed by deer, and he didn't even get the job in Maine.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 14:52:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:
Ooog....
I've got so much salt to deal with today that deer are starting to line up to lick me...
I just got a mental picture of cartoon deer queing up to lick a Tri size salt lick. :spit:
Poor Tri. Consumed by deer, and he didn't even get the job in Maine.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:53:38
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:53:38
I am just SO pissed about that debate last night. It was just terrible. NOT HER CITY!!!!! HArumpgh.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 14:54:32
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 14:54:32
you can choose your husband. bring it up, now, since she brought it up AGAIN
-- eta: Obama doesn't need to say it, but we need to get it out there.
-- eta: Obama doesn't need to say it, but we need to get it out there.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:55:30
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:55:30
I agree with JD, I think That Barck Obama did great under the sniper fire they called a debate last night.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:55:33
If you have 1960's comics I wouldn't do them on ebay, I'd go to a reputable dealer or two to get estimates on there worth.
Granted sometimes you get more money on ebay. Ebay has fees you have to pay though so they take a cut of what you earn. You just have to watch those so they don't take advantage. I think there are other auction sites that are better about that you just have to research them.
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:55:33
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
I still have a lot of crap I've been wanting to sell on eBay but I've been too lazy about it. The extra income would help me a lot.
Might want to just have a yard sale instead, no shipping involved.
But with the bidding, you can sometimes get more money through eBay. I really can't believe what some people will buy. And this is from a guy who has TV Guides going back to the 1950's. Even my comics only go back to the mid-1960's. Then again even the early 1960's books are too expensive for me.
If you have 1960's comics I wouldn't do them on ebay, I'd go to a reputable dealer or two to get estimates on there worth.
Granted sometimes you get more money on ebay. Ebay has fees you have to pay though so they take a cut of what you earn. You just have to watch those so they don't take advantage. I think there are other auction sites that are better about that you just have to research them.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:56:16
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:56:16
Good point JD.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:57:03
I didn't mean it that way! :lol:
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 14:57:03
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
I just got a mental picture of cartoon deer queing up to lick a Tri size salt lick. :spit:
I didn't mean it that way! :lol:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 14:57:12
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 14:57:12
"yes, yes, yes" - that was funny. she was so annoyed
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 14:58:25
Raine on 04/17/2008 14:58:25
Momma is going to the Prom! AWESOME!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 15:05:54
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 15:05:54
The news on WCPT just announced a new endorsement for Barack Obama - from Bruce Springsteen.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 15:09:07
I thought that came out yesterday or the day before... :huh:
EDIT: Yeah, I saw it on This Modern World yesterday at lunchtime...
BobR on 04/17/2008 15:09:07
Quote by will in chicago:
The news on WCPT just announced a new endorsement for Barack Obama - from Bruce Springsteen.
I thought that came out yesterday or the day before... :huh:
EDIT: Yeah, I saw it on This Modern World yesterday at lunchtime...
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 15:09:35
My 1960's comics I mostly bought second-hand out of dollar or discount bins so they are not in the best condition. My collection really starts in the 70's when I bought books new as a kid. Unfortunately some 80's and 90's books are not as collectible as I would like because the publishers over-printed and the speculator market caused the collecting market to crash like it did with baseball cards.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 15:09:35
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
I still have a lot of crap I've been wanting to sell on eBay but I've been too lazy about it. The extra income would help me a lot.
Might want to just have a yard sale instead, no shipping involved.
But with the bidding, you can sometimes get more money through eBay. I really can't believe what some people will buy. And this is from a guy who has TV Guides going back to the 1950's. Even my comics only go back to the mid-1960's. Then again even the early 1960's books are too expensive for me.
If you have 1960's comics I wouldn't do them on ebay, I'd go to a reputable dealer or two to get estimates on there worth.
Granted sometimes you get more money on ebay. Ebay has fees you have to pay though so they take a cut of what you earn. You just have to watch those so they don't take advantage. I think there are other auction sites that are better about that you just have to research them.
My 1960's comics I mostly bought second-hand out of dollar or discount bins so they are not in the best condition. My collection really starts in the 70's when I bought books new as a kid. Unfortunately some 80's and 90's books are not as collectible as I would like because the publishers over-printed and the speculator market caused the collecting market to crash like it did with baseball cards.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:09:54
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:09:54
Reading the TRanscript from the debate...
CLINTON: Well, Tom, I can tell you that I may be a lot of things. But I'm not dumb. And I wrote about going to Bosnia in my book in 2004. I laid it all out there. And you're right. On a couple of occasions in the last weeks, I just said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case and what I had written about in my book.
And, you know, I'm embarrassed by it. I have apologized for it. I've said it was a mistake. And it is, I hope, something that you can look over because, clearly, I am proud that I went to Bosnia. It was a war zone. General Wesley Clark is here in the audience with me, as one of my major supporters. He and I were talking about it before I came out.
You know, our soldiers were there to try to police and keep the peace in a very dangerous area. They were totally in battle gear. There were concerns about potential dangers. The former president of Bosnia has said he was worried about the safety of the situation.
So, I know that it is something that some people have said wait a minute. What happened here? But I have talked about this and written about it. And then, unfortunately, in a few occasions, I was not as accurate as I have been in the past.
But I know, too, that being able to rely on my experience of having gone to Bosnia, gone to more than 80 countries, having represented the United States in so many different settings, gives me a tremendous advantage going into this campaign, particularly against Senator McCain.
So, I will either try to get more sleep, Tom or, you know, have somebody that, you know, is there, as a reminder to me. You know, you can go back for the past 15 months. We both have said things that, you know, turned out not to be accurate. You know, that happens when you're talking as much as we have talked. But, you know, I'm very sorry that I said it. And I have said that, you know, it just didn't jive with what I had written about and knew to be the truth.
==============================================
She admitted that she has been lying about Bosnia.
CLINTON: Well, Tom, I can tell you that I may be a lot of things. But I'm not dumb. And I wrote about going to Bosnia in my book in 2004. I laid it all out there. And you're right. On a couple of occasions in the last weeks, I just said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case and what I had written about in my book.
And, you know, I'm embarrassed by it. I have apologized for it. I've said it was a mistake. And it is, I hope, something that you can look over because, clearly, I am proud that I went to Bosnia. It was a war zone. General Wesley Clark is here in the audience with me, as one of my major supporters. He and I were talking about it before I came out.
You know, our soldiers were there to try to police and keep the peace in a very dangerous area. They were totally in battle gear. There were concerns about potential dangers. The former president of Bosnia has said he was worried about the safety of the situation.
So, I know that it is something that some people have said wait a minute. What happened here? But I have talked about this and written about it. And then, unfortunately, in a few occasions, I was not as accurate as I have been in the past.
But I know, too, that being able to rely on my experience of having gone to Bosnia, gone to more than 80 countries, having represented the United States in so many different settings, gives me a tremendous advantage going into this campaign, particularly against Senator McCain.
So, I will either try to get more sleep, Tom or, you know, have somebody that, you know, is there, as a reminder to me. You know, you can go back for the past 15 months. We both have said things that, you know, turned out not to be accurate. You know, that happens when you're talking as much as we have talked. But, you know, I'm very sorry that I said it. And I have said that, you know, it just didn't jive with what I had written about and knew to be the truth.
==============================================
She admitted that she has been lying about Bosnia.
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 15:10:29
mfaye posted the link yesterday.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 15:10:29
Quote by BobR:Quote by will in chicago:
The news on WCPT just announced a new endorsement for Barack Obama - from Bruce Springsteen.
I thought that came out yesterday or the day before... :huh:
mfaye posted the link yesterday.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 15:10:56
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 15:10:56
She's embarrassed that she got caught - and she should be, because it was stupid stupid stupid and dumb.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 15:12:42
Stupid Stupid Stupid and Dumb....
Sounds like a lawyer's firm... :P
BobR on 04/17/2008 15:12:42
Quote by jd_in_ny:
She's embarrassed that she got caught - and she should be, because it was stupid stupid stupid and dumb.
Stupid Stupid Stupid and Dumb....
Sounds like a lawyer's firm... :P
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 15:14:35
I thought that was Dewey, Cheatam, and Howe.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 15:14:35
Quote by BobR:Quote by jd_in_ny:
She's embarrassed that she got caught - and she should be, because it was stupid stupid stupid and dumb.
Stupid Stupid Stupid and Dumb....
Sounds like a lawyer's firm... :P
I thought that was Dewey, Cheatam, and Howe.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 15:15:20
BobR on 04/17/2008 15:15:20
OMG!! googly-eye nipple!! 
:rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 15:15:35
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 15:15:35
:spit: :rofl:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 15:16:46
I was going to say that...
(and how!)
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 15:16:46
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by jd_in_ny:
She's embarrassed that she got caught - and she should be, because it was stupid stupid stupid and dumb.
Stupid Stupid Stupid and Dumb....
Sounds like a lawyer's firm... :P
I thought that was Dewey, Cheatam, and Howe.
I was going to say that...
(and how!)
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:17:34
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:17:34
I read most of the debate, and I have to say, Senator Clinton Says the word *WELL, ...* whenever she doesn't want to answer a question, or when she does some dirty politicing.
I think in poker they call it a *tell*... I noticed it last night and I see it in the transcript.
I think in poker they call it a *tell*... I noticed it last night and I see it in the transcript.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:19:19
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:19:19
:rofl: I just Love 
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:21:08
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:21:08
Oh goody... Kieth Richards!
Oh, bummah, that was it? :(
Oh, bummah, that was it? :(
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:26:27
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:26:27
That halter dress is back in style Momma...
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:29:43
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:29:43
Rachel Ray... *sigh* Love her/hate her.
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 15:32:57
I know some people at work who can't stand her. They find the perpetual perkiness too phony.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 15:32:57
Quote by Raine:
Rachel Ray... *sigh* Love her/hate her.
I know some people at work who can't stand her. They find the perpetual perkiness too phony.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:37:50
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:37:50
Oh MAN It is BEE YOU TEE FULL out today!
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2008 15:39:10
I might have to run an errand just to enjoy some of it.
wickedpam on 04/17/2008 15:39:10
Quote by Raine:
Oh MAN It is BEE YOU TEE FULL out today!
I might have to run an errand just to enjoy some of it.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 15:41:42
I love her recipes, but I hate the way she says "E.V.O.O." instead of just saying "olive oil"...
... and yeah, that "perkiness" is a little grating.
BobR on 04/17/2008 15:41:42
Quote by Raine:
Rachel Ray... *sigh* Love her/hate her.
I love her recipes, but I hate the way she says "E.V.O.O." instead of just saying "olive oil"...
... and yeah, that "perkiness" is a little grating.
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 15:41:48
starling310 on 04/17/2008 15:41:48
Why does Helen Thomas Hate America? :cry:
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:42:58
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:42:58
Got a note from DJ... (the DJ from the show... And his link is here at our blog) I thought I would pass it on...
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It's actually an Internet radio station that schedules many interesting talk shows (and as of 3/31, "the official Internet radio station of the SMS"). The Cockroach is at http://www.myspace.com/roachradio[/url TARGET="_blank"> "]http://www.myspace.com/roachradio - my username, RoachRadio, is just like my URL. And it's on the air from Thursday evenings through Sunday early mornings.
Thanks for the support!
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:clap:
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It's actually an Internet radio station that schedules many interesting talk shows (and as of 3/31, "the official Internet radio station of the SMS"). The Cockroach is at http://www.myspace.com/roachradio[/url TARGET="_blank"> "]http://www.myspace.com/roachradio - my username, RoachRadio, is just like my URL. And it's on the air from Thursday evenings through Sunday early mornings.
Thanks for the support!
==================================================
:clap:
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:45:54
Quietly puts away the EVOO and Rachel Ray wig ::: scurries to find another role playing costume ::::
:P
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:45:54
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Rachel Ray... *sigh* Love her/hate her.
I love her recipes, but I hate the way she says "E.V.O.O." instead of just saying "olive oil"...
... and yeah, that "perkiness" is a little grating.
Quietly puts away the EVOO and Rachel Ray wig ::: scurries to find another role playing costume ::::
:P
Comment by Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 15:48:55
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 15:48:55
Good news, I have an interview for a long term substitute teaching position tomorrow - that could become full time.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:51:23
Will, that is wonderful news.
:hug:
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:51:23
Quote by will in chicago:
Good news, I have an interview for a long term substitute teaching position tomorrow - that could become full time.
Will, that is wonderful news.
:hug:
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 15:52:14
The Fratboy in Chief.
Oh
My
Gawd...
BobR on 04/17/2008 15:52:14
Quote by Raine:
Bush to Pope: *Awesome Speech!"
Seriously. Video at link...
The Fratboy in Chief.
Oh
My
Gawd...
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 15:53:18
eggggcellent!
BobR on 04/17/2008 15:53:18
Quote by will in chicago:
Good news, I have an interview for a long term substitute teaching position tomorrow - that could become full time.
eggggcellent!
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 15:55:07
:banana:
I am going to be having an Exploratory Conversation with the Hiring Manager of a job I am interested in. It's scary considering leaving my comfort zone, even though I am bored, bored, bored.
Oh...how I wish I could leave Corporate America. But, my brain says "Not a good time to quit your job out of moral principles."
I have sold my soul in George Bush's America, to keep gas in my car.
That makes me BITTER.
I hope with the new President, I can afford to get a job that I actually believe it.
Working in Corp.America makes me feel like a bad person!!!
:cry: :cry:
starling310 on 04/17/2008 15:55:07
Quote by will in chicago:
Good news, I have an interview for a long term substitute teaching position tomorrow - that could become full time.
:banana:
I am going to be having an Exploratory Conversation with the Hiring Manager of a job I am interested in. It's scary considering leaving my comfort zone, even though I am bored, bored, bored.
Oh...how I wish I could leave Corporate America. But, my brain says "Not a good time to quit your job out of moral principles."
I have sold my soul in George Bush's America, to keep gas in my car.
That makes me BITTER.
I hope with the new President, I can afford to get a job that I actually believe it.
Working in Corp.America makes me feel like a bad person!!!
:cry: :cry:
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 15:56:39
starling310 on 04/17/2008 15:56:39
Will, I am sorry...the banana was for you.
Then I went off on a tangent.
But, I hope that you're job works out!!!
Teachers and Nurses...special people! :hug:
Then I went off on a tangent.
But, I hope that you're job works out!!!
Teachers and Nurses...special people! :hug:
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 15:57:19
Raine on 04/17/2008 15:57:19
:star: Don't do the guilt thing to yourself.
Don't you dare. you are Awesome, like the Pope...
Don't you dare. you are Awesome, like the Pope...
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 04/17/2008 15:57:59
IzzyBitz on 04/17/2008 15:57:59
I think Keith played the "awesome speech" clip last night. It was like a stoned Bush at his graduation ceremony, nice job duuuude. Jeebus.
Good morning everyone!
Good morning everyone!
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:04:00
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:04:00
Nice opening, Raine. I think I mentioned the giant messy pant-load nature of the 280,000 debates thus far this year. I also mentioned that there hasn't been a real, substantive debate since the farcical Debate Commission came into being and booting the League of Woman Voters out of the picture.
All of the debates this year have been shallow Roman bread & circus info-tainment that don't and will not provide any intelligent discussion of the real issues. So, my question is this: why put yourself through the agony of watching these farces
All of the debates this year have been shallow Roman bread & circus info-tainment that don't and will not provide any intelligent discussion of the real issues. So, my question is this: why put yourself through the agony of watching these farces
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:07:48
She is friggin idiot bobble head. I can not stand her at all.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:07:48
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Rachel Ray... *sigh* Love her/hate her.
I love her recipes, but I hate the way she says "E.V.O.O." instead of just saying "olive oil"...
... and yeah, that "perkiness" is a little grating.
She is friggin idiot bobble head. I can not stand her at all.
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 16:09:20
For me, I continue to pay attention ONLY so I can be prepared for the dumba**ses who like to argue with me.
starling310 on 04/17/2008 16:09:20
Quote by Mondobubba:
Nice opening, Raine. I think I mentioned the giant messy pant-load nature of the 280,000 debates thus far this year. I also mentioned that there hasn't been a real, substantive debate since the farcical Debate Commission came into being and booting the League of Woman Voters out of the picture.
All of the debates this year have been shallow Roman bread & circus info-tainment that don't and will not provide any intelligent discussion of the real issues. So, my question is this: why put yourself through the agony of watching these farces
For me, I continue to pay attention ONLY so I can be prepared for the dumba**ses who like to argue with me.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:09:44
:chicka bow bow bow:
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:09:44
Quote by Raine:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Rachel Ray... *sigh* Love her/hate her.
I love her recipes, but I hate the way she says "E.V.O.O." instead of just saying "olive oil"...
... and yeah, that "perkiness" is a little grating.
Quietly puts away the EVOO and Rachel Ray wig ::: scurries to find another role playing costume ::::
:P
:chicka bow bow bow:
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 16:11:31
OMG...what an idiot! It;s a SERMON!! Helllllooooo....
starling310 on 04/17/2008 16:11:31
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Bush to Pope: *Awesome Speech!"
Seriously. Video at link...
The Fratboy in Chief.
Oh
My
Gawd...
OMG...what an idiot! It;s a SERMON!! Helllllooooo....
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 16:11:42
Raine on 04/17/2008 16:11:42
Thom is talking about Sniper Gate!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 16:15:32
Raine on 04/17/2008 16:15:32
Bush to pope... :spliff: 'ere Dude, those shoes Rock... 
Totally off the hook.
Totally off the hook.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 16:17:51
Raine on 04/17/2008 16:17:51
you know here is the thing, These are supposed to be DEBATES. NOT interviews.
Mondo I am with I watch because as much as I hate it, I want to be able to know I saw it, as opposed to some knucklehed telling me a lie.
Mondo I am with
I watch because as much as I hate it, I want to be able to know I saw it, as opposed to some knucklehed telling me a lie.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 16:19:22
A gang-related melee across the river from Sleepy Hollow?...
I hope Rip Van Winkle didn't wake up.
BobR on 04/17/2008 16:19:22
Quote by Raine:
Riot in NYACK?!?!?!
NYACK? Come on.
A gang-related melee across the river from Sleepy Hollow?...
I hope Rip Van Winkle didn't wake up.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:25:32
Must be a bunch of blue haired lil ole ladies who are pissed that the Boscov's is closing.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:25:32
Quote by Raine:
Riot in NYACK?!?!?!
NYACK? Come on.
Must be a bunch of blue haired lil ole ladies who are pissed that the Boscov's is closing.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:29:09
Raine, you know as well as I do that the knuckleheads aren't watching the debate, they are getting the executive summary from some other media. So anything the knucklehead is clearly suspect and easily dis-proved by a quick Google search.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:29:09
Quote by Raine:
you know here is the thing, These are supposed to be DEBATES. NOT interviews.
Mondo I am with
Raine, you know as well as I do that the knuckleheads aren't watching the debate, they are getting the executive summary from some other media. So anything the knucklehead is clearly suspect and easily dis-proved by a quick Google search.
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 16:32:59
Is it too much to have a President who has a command of the English language. Like I really want to have a beer with this schmuck, I know some people who I would rather have a beer with.
Good luck on the interview, Will.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 16:32:59
Quote by Raine:
Bush to pope... :spliff: 'ere Dude, those shoes Rock...
Is it too much to have a President who has a command of the English language. Like I really want to have a beer with this schmuck, I know some people who I would rather have a beer with.
Good luck on the interview, Will.
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 16:33:29
No, they're probably not. But, they are paying attention to FlagPinGate, etc. And, after 1 weekend of not watching, reading I had no clue about BitterGate and would have been rendered somewhat defenseless had someone pressed me on that.
Of course, I could just bring it back to "Does Obama not saying bitter put food on the table? No. Okay, than let's move on."
starling310 on 04/17/2008 16:33:29
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
you know here is the thing, These are supposed to be DEBATES. NOT interviews.
Mondo I am with
Raine, you know as well as I do that the knuckleheads aren't watching the debate, they are getting the executive summary from some other media. So anything the knucklehead is clearly suspect and easily dis-proved by a quick Google search.
No, they're probably not. But, they are paying attention to FlagPinGate, etc. And, after 1 weekend of not watching, reading I had no clue about BitterGate and would have been rendered somewhat defenseless had someone pressed me on that.
Of course, I could just bring it back to "Does Obama not saying bitter put food on the table? No. Okay, than let's move on."
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 16:42:45
Raine on 04/17/2008 16:42:45
I love how thom is dissecting what happened last night. I feel so much calmer.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 16:43:59
Raine on 04/17/2008 16:43:59
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:45:36
Ya know when I have been pressed by knuckleheads, I don't use logic, reason or any of that fancy stuff. I simply call the knucklehead a ill informed knucklehead and not to waste my time until said knucklehead does some real research.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:45:36
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
you know here is the thing, These are supposed to be DEBATES. NOT interviews.
Mondo I am with
Raine, you know as well as I do that the knuckleheads aren't watching the debate, they are getting the executive summary from some other media. So anything the knucklehead is clearly suspect and easily dis-proved by a quick Google search.
No, they're probably not. But, they are paying attention to FlagPinGate, etc. And, after 1 weekend of not watching, reading I had no clue about BitterGate and would have been rendered somewhat defenseless had someone pressed me on that.
Of course, I could just bring it back to "Does Obama not saying bitter put food on the table? No. Okay, than let's move on."
Ya know when I have been pressed by knuckleheads, I don't use logic, reason or any of that fancy stuff. I simply call the knucklehead a ill informed knucklehead and not to waste my time until said knucklehead does some real research.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 16:45:38
Raine on 04/17/2008 16:45:38
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 16:45:53
starling310 on 04/17/2008 16:45:53
YAY THOM!!! He is totally breaking down the "debate" from last night.
THOM. I ADORE YOU!!!!
THOM. I ADORE YOU!!!!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 16:46:55
Raine on 04/17/2008 16:46:55
My fave so far:
Q: Dave, will you protect my right as a Floridian to own and operate Russian military helicopters with full missile, cannon and bomb capabilities?
A: As I read the Constitution, all of these items are specifically mentioned in the second amendment.
Answered 04/15/08 13:19:09 by Dave Barry
Q: Dave, will you protect my right as a Floridian to own and operate Russian military helicopters with full missile, cannon and bomb capabilities?
A: As I read the Constitution, all of these items are specifically mentioned in the second amendment.
Answered 04/15/08 13:19:09 by Dave Barry
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 16:49:25
He is amazing. :swoon:
Raine on 04/17/2008 16:49:25
Quote by starling310:
YAY THOM!!! He is totally breaking down the "debate" from last night.
THOM. I ADORE YOU!!!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:52:40
He has got my vote with that one! Mi 24 Hind here I come! :metal:
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 16:52:40
Quote by Raine:
My fave so far:
Q: Dave, will you protect my right as a Floridian to own and operate Russian military helicopters with full missile, cannon and bomb capabilities?
A: As I read the Constitution, all of these items are specifically mentioned in the second amendment.
Answered 04/15/08 13:19:09 by Dave Barry
He has got my vote with that one! Mi 24 Hind here I come! :metal:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 16:54:28
bwah!
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 16:54:28
Q: Dave, as an elitist man of the people, is it wise to call a small-town crowd of gun-toting, religious zealots "bitter?"
Submitted by Chuck Ben-Hur from Altoona, PA
A: I can totally relate to the residents of small mill towns. When the mill in my town closed down, I was devastated, because up to that point I didn't even realize we had a mill. "What the hell were we milling?" I asked. But by then it was too late. So I became bitter and turned to crack guns and religion.
Answered 04/14/08 09:33:23 by Dave Barry
bwah!
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 16:54:46
livingonli on 04/17/2008 16:54:46
Charles Gibson is a Republican tool. Also, don't forget that Brit Hume was ABC's White House correspondent under Poppy Bush and used to play tennis with him.
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 16:58:43
livingonli on 04/17/2008 16:58:43
For the comic book nerd in me
Q: Dave, which is correct, Sub-Mariner or Submariner?
Submitted by Prince Namor from Atlantis
A: Aquaman.
Answered 04/15/08 13:41:09 by Dave Barry
Q: Dave, which is correct, Sub-Mariner or Submariner?
Submitted by Prince Namor from Atlantis
A: Aquaman.
Answered 04/15/08 13:41:09 by Dave Barry
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 17:00:54
The word wonderful was crossed out.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 17:00:54
Q: As a normal woman of the female gender, I wear a Size 8. When shopping lately, I have found, to my dismay that the jeans have zippers that are so short as to have only 1 tooth, and the sizes go from 0 to sub-atomic. When you are president, will you please send the so-called fashion designers to a place where they will be forced to make real-sized clothes for real women with waists at the waist and not at the private area line. Will you make them design clothes in REAL sizes? I will send you a sample of one of the pair of jeans I saw on the rack. Look for a post card, the postage stamp is the jeans.
Submitted by Size 8 from JC Penneys
A: I know what you mean. In Miami, where I live, women are wearing their jeans basically at knee level. It is wonderful very alarming.
Answered 04/16/08 14:04:35 by Dave Barry
The word wonderful was crossed out.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 17:04:29
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 17:04:29
:thud: I mention an aircraft and Tri didn't come a-runnin' poor feller is trapped in salt dome.
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 17:12:52
livingonli on 04/17/2008 17:12:52
And now it's time for the squeaky voice of Terry Jeffries.
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 17:15:23
starling310 on 04/17/2008 17:15:23
Not only does he always sound he needs to clear his throat, but he also sounds like he's got marbles in his mouth.
: squeak : : squeak : : squeak :
: mumble : : mumble : : mumble :
: squeak : : squeak : : squeak :
: mumble : : mumble : : mumble :
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 17:18:27
livingonli on 04/17/2008 17:18:27
If the Dick Tracy villain Mumbles was turned into a mouse, you would get Terry Jeffries. :D
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 17:29:45
Raine on 04/17/2008 17:29:45
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 17:37:41
starling310 on 04/17/2008 17:37:41
I started a BOOK BLOG. Hope nobody minds.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 17:42:48
Raine on 04/17/2008 17:42:48
A book Blog! will you serve Lattes?!?
I love it. I really do.
I love it. I really do.
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 17:46:54
starling310 on 04/17/2008 17:46:54
Yes...Lattes and overpriced Paninis.
In the summer, you can take your book and your latte out onto the Blog Patio.
In the summer, you can take your book and your latte out onto the Blog Patio.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 17:49:05
Can I wear berks and my hemp ware?
Raine on 04/17/2008 17:49:05
Quote by starling310:
Yes...Lattes and overpriced Paninis.
In the summer, you can take your book and your latte out onto the Blog Patio.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 17:57:58
Only if the hemp is all organic and fair trade!
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 17:57:58
Quote by Raine:Can I wear berks and my hemp ware?Quote by starling310:
Yes...Lattes and overpriced Paninis.
In the summer, you can take your book and your latte out onto the Blog Patio.
Only if the hemp is all organic and fair trade!
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 18:03:03
The lattes are ONLY made with SOY!
starling310 on 04/17/2008 18:03:03
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Can I wear berks and my hemp ware?Quote by starling310:
Yes...Lattes and overpriced Paninis.
In the summer, you can take your book and your latte out onto the Blog Patio.
Only if the hemp is all organic and fair trade!
The lattes are ONLY made with SOY!
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2008 18:21:47
BLOW-THROUGH!
TriSec on 04/17/2008 18:21:47
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 18:35:36
starling310 on 04/17/2008 18:35:36
woo HOO!
christie harvey.
christie harvey.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 18:46:54
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2008 18:46:54
Sorry to be silent, but I had housework and the Daily Headlines to wrap up.
Here is one of the most depressing stories.
Here is one of the most depressing stories.
300,000 vets have mental problem, 320,000 had brain injuries
Study: 300,000 US troops from Iraq, Afghanistan have mental problems, 320,000 brain injuries
PAULINE JELINEK
AP News
Apr 17, 2008 09:47 EST
Some 300,000 U.S. troops are suffering from major depression or post traumatic stress from serving in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and 320,000 received brain injuries, a new study estimates.
Only about half have sought treatment, said the study released Thursday by the RAND Corporation.
"There is a major health crisis facing those men and women who have served our nation in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Terri Tanielian, the project's co-leader and a researcher at the nonprofit RAND.
"Unless they receive appropriate and effective care for these mental health conditions, there will be long-term consequences for them and for the nation," she said in an interview with The Associated Press.
The 500-page study is the first large-scale, private assessment of its kind — including a survey of 1,965 service members across the country, from all branches of the armed forces and including those still in the military as well veterans who have left the services.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 19:13:05
Raine on 04/17/2008 19:13:05
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 19:24:53
Raine on 04/17/2008 19:24:53
I love Randi today.
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 19:27:34
starling310 on 04/17/2008 19:27:34
Me too! ME TOO!
bark!park!
bark!park!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 19:32:04
barkpark!
Raine on 04/17/2008 19:32:04
Quote by starling310:
Me too! ME TOO!
bark!park!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 19:40:18
Raine on 04/17/2008 19:40:18
Depends on what is is ...
That is what snipergate has become. it is the IS of her campain.
That is what snipergate has become. it is the IS of her campain.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 19:42:46
Randi apparently NOT a "Mac person"... :whistling:
BobR on 04/17/2008 19:42:46
Quote by Raine:
I love Randi today.
Randi apparently NOT a "Mac person"... :whistling:
Comment by starling310 on 04/17/2008 19:49:38
starling310 on 04/17/2008 19:49:38
Off the "design" portion of my day. Gotta turn on music.
later dudes.
later dudes.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 04/17/2008 20:23:44
velveeta jones on 04/17/2008 20:23:44
Thanks for the linky to ABC. I missed the debate due to work, then ............. um, er, all right............ baseball! Yes, I watched the last innings of the Braves/Marlins.
But I did see the followup on KO special. Here's what I sent to Always Bush or Clinton network
But I did see the followup on KO special. Here's what I sent to Always Bush or Clinton network
Where on Earth did you get those questions for that "debate"! That was NO DEBATE! And those questioners are NOT JOURNALISTS. Lamest and dumbest questions EVER. I am struggling to pay bills, do you think I give a flying fuck whether someone wears a flag pin? Or, that they might have known a criminal when they were a kid? What a bunch of NONSENSE!!!!! Send George and Charles to the E! network, where they'll be more at home.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 20:29:53
btw - if you and the missus ever want to come down to the Big City to see a Braves game, you've got a free place to stay...
Just sayin'... ;)
BobR on 04/17/2008 20:29:53
Quote by velveeta jones:
Thanks for the linky to ABC. I missed the debate due to work, then ............. um, er, all right............ baseball! Yes, I watched the last innings of the Braves/Marlins.
But I did see the followup on KO special. Here's what I sent to Always Bush or Clinton network
btw - if you and the missus ever want to come down to the Big City to see a Braves game, you've got a free place to stay...
Just sayin'... ;)
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 20:46:25
Go Marlins!
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 20:46:25
Quote by velveeta jones:
Thanks for the linky to ABC. I missed the debate due to work, then ............. um, er, all right............ baseball! Yes, I watched the last innings of the Braves/Marlins.
But I did see the followup on KO special. Here's what I sent to Always Bush or Clinton networkWhere on Earth did you get those questions for that "debate"! That was NO DEBATE! And those questioners are NOT JOURNALISTS. Lamest and dumbest questions EVER. I am struggling to pay bills, do you think I give a flying fuck whether someone wears a flag pin? Or, that they might have known a criminal when they were a kid? What a bunch of NONSENSE!!!!! Send George and Charles to the E! network, where they'll be more at home.
Go Marlins!
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 20:50:49
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 20:50:49
Watching "Juno."
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 21:03:14
... and take the Buccaneers with you. :P
BobR on 04/17/2008 21:03:14
Quote by Mondobubba:
Go Marlins!
... and take the Buccaneers with you. :P
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 21:05:14
: eyeroll: WHATever!
Mondobubba on 04/17/2008 21:05:14
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Go Marlins!
... and take the Buccaneers with you. :P
: eyeroll: WHATever!
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2008 21:10:51
BobR on 04/17/2008 21:10:51
Randi Rhodes has me laughing out loud... :rofl:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 21:14:39
jd_in_ny on 04/17/2008 21:14:39
in a comment to Adam Felber's great post over at Fanatical Apathy:
eta: oops. the great post is at fanaticalapathy.com
You know, if this election does not go to Obama, as it righteously should, there will be a whole new tribe of bitter folk, clinging to their, I don’t know, keyboards and booze, I guess.
eta: oops. the great post is at fanaticalapathy.com
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 21:41:58
He nailed it!
Raine on 04/17/2008 21:41:58
Quote by jd_in_ny:
in a comment to Adam Felber's great post over at Fanatical Apathy:You know, if this election does not go to Obama, as it righteously should, there will be a whole new tribe of bitter folk, clinging to their, I don’t know, keyboards and booze, I guess.
eta: oops. the great post is at fanaticalapathy.com
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 21:44:44
Raine on 04/17/2008 21:44:44
Barack reacts to last nite's debate...
You want zen? This is Zen....
You want zen? This is Zen....
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2008 21:50:20
It sucks that I can't listen to her now if I'm not in front of a computer. I do hope Nova M is able to get her on satellite radio since apparently WWRL is committed to Air America in that time period even under the new arrangement. At least I hope that they do give us Sam Seder in that slot and not more crappy celebrity guest hosts. I may have to add that comment to Shelagh's blog.
livingonli on 04/17/2008 21:50:20
Quote by BobR:
Randi Rhodes has me laughing out loud... :rofl:
It sucks that I can't listen to her now if I'm not in front of a computer. I do hope Nova M is able to get her on satellite radio since apparently WWRL is committed to Air America in that time period even under the new arrangement. At least I hope that they do give us Sam Seder in that slot and not more crappy celebrity guest hosts. I may have to add that comment to Shelagh's blog.
Comment by velveeta jones on 04/17/2008 23:15:32
Oh! You are sooooooo gonna regret saying this. And now I've got it in writing!! TeeHee.
:lol:
velveeta jones on 04/17/2008 23:15:32
Quote by BobR:Quote by velveeta jones:
Thanks for the linky to ABC. I missed the debate due to work, then ............. um, er, all right............ baseball! Yes, I watched the last innings of the Braves/Marlins.
But I did see the followup on KO special. Here's what I sent to Always Bush or Clinton network
btw - if you and the missus ever want to come down to the Big City to see a Braves game, you've got a free place to stay...
Just sayin'... ;)
Oh! You are sooooooo gonna regret saying this. And now I've got it in writing!! TeeHee.
:lol:
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2008 23:33:27
Raine on 04/17/2008 23:33:27
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/18/2008 00:21:32
cool as a cucumber - perfect.
jd_in_ny on 04/18/2008 00:21:32
Quote by Raine:
Barack reacts to last nite's debate...
cool as a cucumber - perfect.
Comment by TriSec on 04/18/2008 01:30:36
TriSec on 04/18/2008 01:30:36
Comment by velveeta jones on 04/18/2008 01:39:04
velveeta jones on 04/18/2008 01:39:04
You MUST go here and see the video of the Joe Scarborough/Rachel Maddow snit.
Hysterical. Joe don't like the uppity lezbo's.
Hysterical. Joe don't like the uppity lezbo's.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 01:57:01
Tri, I invoked an aircraft earlier and you didn't respond. It wasn't a fixed wing aircraft...:shrug:
Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 01:57:01
Quote by TriSec:
Tri, I invoked an aircraft earlier and you didn't respond. It wasn't a fixed wing aircraft...:shrug:
Comment by livingonli on 04/18/2008 02:02:39
What'sa matter, Tri?
livingonli on 04/18/2008 02:02:39
Quote by TriSec:
What'sa matter, Tri?
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:26:23
Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:26:23
Tri what important event of WWII happened tomorrow.
Comment by starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:35:59
starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:35:59
Oof...KO playing the clip of the '04 Democratic Convention.
That's like playing clips of Game 6. . . Tri, you know what I'm talkin' about.
I am glad to see that Gibson and Snuffulufugus are making news for their HORRIBLE debate questions.
Maybe the Electorate isn't as dumb as I thought.
That's like playing clips of Game 6. . . Tri, you know what I'm talkin' about.
I am glad to see that Gibson and Snuffulufugus are making news for their HORRIBLE debate questions.
Maybe the Electorate isn't as dumb as I thought.
Comment by starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:41:10
starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:41:10
Quote by velveeta jones:
You MUST go here and see the video of the Joe Scarborough/Rachel Maddow snit.
Hysterical. Joe don't like the uppity lezbo's.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:44:25
Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:44:25
Star my darling! :tosses rose petals for to walk on:
:tosses rose petals for to walk on:
Comment by starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:45:26
starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:45:26
Oooh...rose petals. Lovely!
Where are you in Dexter?
I just added "The Corner" to books i want to read in my Google Library.
Where are you in Dexter?
I just added "The Corner" to books i want to read in my Google Library.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:51:18
About 3/4 of the way through season 1. I have a wild crush on the Jennifer Carpenter, ya know she plays Dexter's sister.
Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:51:18
Quote by starling310:
Oooh...rose petals. Lovely!
Where are you in Dexter?
I just added "The Corner" to books i want to read in my Google Library.
About 3/4 of the way through season 1. I have a wild crush on the Jennifer Carpenter, ya know she plays Dexter's sister.
Comment by starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:53:17
really? huh. the women on that show don't do it for me.
but, the show still kicks ass. . .
I like the latino cop....ugh. What's his name?
He had a small part in "Michael Clayton." I was happy for him for that.
starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:53:17
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
Oooh...rose petals. Lovely!
Where are you in Dexter?
I just added "The Corner" to books i want to read in my Google Library.
About 3/4 of the way through season 1. I have a wild crush on the Jennifer Carpenter, ya know she plays Dexter's sister.
really? huh. the women on that show don't do it for me.
but, the show still kicks ass. . .
I like the latino cop....ugh. What's his name?
He had a small part in "Michael Clayton." I was happy for him for that.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:53:48
Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:53:48
Speaker of "Dexter" I have noticed from prolonged, marathon level watching that as Dexter locks the front door of his apartment, it is Dexter lock that he is pulling the key out of.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:55:43
oh those cheeks those legs! rrrrrRRRRRRrrrrrrr. But that is just me. She doesn;t do much for Brother Mondo,he like Dex's girlfriend.
Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 02:55:43
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
Oooh...rose petals. Lovely!
Where are you in Dexter?
I just added "The Corner" to books i want to read in my Google Library.
About 3/4 of the way through season 1. I have a wild crush on the Jennifer Carpenter, ya know she plays Dexter's sister.
really? huh. the women on that show don't do it for me.
but, the show still kicks ass. . .
I like the latino cop....ugh. What's his name?
He had a small part in "Michael Clayton." I was happy for him for that.
oh those cheeks those legs! rrrrrRRRRRRrrrrrrr. But that is just me. She doesn;t do much for Brother Mondo,he like Dex's girlfriend.
Comment by starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:55:51
YES! I caught that too.
starling310 on 04/18/2008 02:55:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
Speaker of "Dexter" I have noticed from prolonged, marathon level watching that as Dexter locks the front door of his apartment, it is Dexter lock that he is pulling the key out of.
YES! I caught that too.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 03:00:05
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Mondobubba on 04/18/2008 03:00:05
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:
Speaker of "Dexter" I have noticed from prolonged, marathon level watching that as Dexter locks the front door of his apartment, it is Dexter lock that he is pulling the key out of.
YES! I caught that too.
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