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Author: Raine    Date: 06/07/2013 12:57:17

Getting a late start to the morning... will be back!
 

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Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 13:10:48
:collapses in a semi-sodden heap on a fainting couch: Too. Much. To. Drink. Last. Night.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 13:11:34
Morning

Comment by TriSec on 06/07/2013 13:19:14
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )


Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 13:29:02
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )



Not made with real key limes I wager.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 13:34:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )



ever since I found out they ship in there donuts daily DD has gone to the bottom of my list - much rather have a Shoppers donut

Not made with real key limes I wager.



Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 13:35:49
Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 13:40:39
Well I have to admit -- between the NSA and anonymous, I am not feeling safer at all.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/07/2013 13:52:38
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )


Not made with real key limes I wager.

ever since I found out they ship in there donuts daily DD has gone to the bottom of my list - much rather have a Shoppers donut

Normally I would agree with you, but I'm not gonna look a free donut in the mouth!

Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 14:00:22
Quote by Raine:
Well I have to admit -- between the NSA and anonymous, I am not feeling safer at all.



at this point in the "scandal" I'm pretty much of the opinion that - if you were outraged when Bush did it then carry on with righteous indignation BUT if you said nothing or deflected it as "if you have nothing to hide" arguments when Bush did it then shut your pie hole you are a hypocrite


Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 14:00:58
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )


Not made with real key limes I wager.

ever since I found out they ship in there donuts daily DD has gone to the bottom of my list - much rather have a Shoppers donut

Normally I would agree with you, but I'm not gonna look a free donut in the mouth!


point taken


Comment by Scoopster on 06/07/2013 14:01:55
aaaand Mornin' all.. it's Happy Fridee once again!

Couple more hours at the office, then I'm off to Providence for the pre-qualifier events. With any luck by late afternoon tomorrow you'll be able to watch my team play on the live stream!

Comment by BobR on 06/07/2013 14:04:39
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Well I have to admit -- between the NSA and anonymous, I am not feeling safer at all.

at this point in the "scandal" I'm pretty much of the opinion that - if you were outraged when Bush did it then carry on with righteous indignation BUT if you said nothing or deflected it as "if you have nothing to hide" arguments when Bush did it then shut your pie hole you are a hypocrite

My points exactly (from yesterday's blog). FOX "News" should just show pictures of bunnies.

Comment by BobR on 06/07/2013 14:05:33
In case you haven't seen it yet on the Book of Faces, your daily does of SQUEEE: baby sea lion snuggles with sailor

Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 14:08:26
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Well I have to admit -- between the NSA and anonymous, I am not feeling safer at all.

at this point in the "scandal" I'm pretty much of the opinion that - if you were outraged when Bush did it then carry on with righteous indignation BUT if you said nothing or deflected it as "if you have nothing to hide" arguments when Bush did it then shut your pie hole you are a hypocrite

My points exactly (from yesterday's blog). FOX "News" should just show pictures of bunnies.



I would tune in if they had all bunnies all the time

Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 14:09:06
Ahh, I like our 4F archives.

I wrote this February 2012. In particular... this:


What I found interesting is that this batch of information was obtained thru an email cache that was hacked. I asked earlier what people thought about e-mail hacking. I'm not questioning content here. I am questionting the means by which this information was procured.

I am wondering a number of things today, in particular, how and why are some people celebrating Anon/WikiLeaks for revealing information about private individuals stolen from private sources. In many cases, these are the same people who protest against government collecting information about private individuals without due course of legislative channels set up to protect citizens -- also known as the 4th amendment. I don't think Government should have the right to gather information -- cull information -- without due cause and without a warrant to do so. This has always been my stance. I don't want government in my inbox. I also find the Murdoch email/phone hacking investigation completely justified. I believe people deserve privacy. I also believe that outing a covert CIA operative is treasonous. I will quote myself:
I know a lot of people were VERY angry that the former administration outed Valerie Plame -- a covert CIA agent. I am one of them. I still feel more people should have faced jail time for that treasonous act. Shouldn't we feel the same way about what WikiLeaks has done? People are outraged at the treatment of Sibel Edmonds. She is a whistleblower who has had first hand experience with what she speaks. Julian Assange and WikiLeaks do not. Someone 'procured' information that was not theirs and made it public.


And yet here today we have anonymous dumping NSA documents.

and I wrote this in 2010 regarding the celebration of wikileaks and what was done in the name of national security:
Siprnet was designed to solve the chronic problem of big bureaucracies – how to share information easily and confidentially among large numbers of people spread around the world. Siprnet is a worldwide US military internet system, kept separate from the ordinary civilian internet and run by the defence department in Washington.

Since the terrorist attacks of September 2001, there has been a move in the US to link up separate archives of government information, in the hope that key intelligence no longer gets trapped in information silos or "stovepipes".


An increasing number of US embassies were plugged into Siprnet in the last decade, so that military and diplomatic information can be shared. In 2002, 125 embassies were on Siprnet; by 2005, there were 180.
This system failed. It failed because a so called secure network has proven to be anything but secure. Why? Perhaps this is why:
The US general accounting office identified 3,067,000 people cleared to "secret" and above in a 1993 study. Since then, the size of the security establishment has grown appreciably. Another GAO report in May 2009 said: "Following the terrorist attacks on September 11 2001 the nation's defence and intelligence needs grew, prompting increased demand for personnel with security clearances." A state department spokesman today refused to say exactly how many people had access to Siprnet.

There are OVER 3 million people that we know of that have access to Siprnet. Is this all just more security theatre? Has this system really made us safer? Was this a situation that was just waiting to happen?
Look here is what I believe.

If anonymous and wikileaks can get access to whatever they want and dump it, why are people so surprised at the NSA? We have KNOWN about this for YEARS.

Seriously, this all just baffles me.

Comment by TriSec on 06/07/2013 14:12:05
Quote by wickedpam:



at this point in the "scandal" I'm pretty much of the opinion that - if you were outraged when Bush did it then carry on with righteous indignation BUT if you said nothing or deflected it as "if you have nothing to hide" arguments when Bush did it then shut your pie hole you are a hypocrite


I'm totally stealing this when my right wing toolfriends start posting crap.


Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 14:12:48
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )


Not made with real key limes I wager.

ever since I found out they ship in there donuts daily DD has gone to the bottom of my list - much rather have a Shoppers donut

Normally I would agree with you, but I'm not gonna look a free donut in the mouth!



As we all know free food is the best tasting food.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 14:15:43
Quote by BobR:
In case you haven't seen it yet on the Book of Faces, your daily does of SQUEEE: baby sea lion snuggles with sailor



just want is needed after a long week


Comment by BobR on 06/07/2013 14:20:29
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )


Not made with real key limes I wager.

ever since I found out they ship in there donuts daily DD has gone to the bottom of my list - much rather have a Shoppers donut

Normally I would agree with you, but I'm not gonna look a free donut in the mouth!

As we all know free food is the best tasting food.

Free with purchase of - there's always a catch. Trying to decide if it's worth braving the rain, since I already have coffee.

Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 14:22:31
I don't want to write again about NSA, spying, anonymous wikileaks and the hypocrisy of celebrating anarchy. I don't want to write again about NSA, spying, anonymous wikileaks and the hypocrisy of celebrating anarchy. I don't want to write again about NSA, spying, anonymous wikileaks and the hypocrisy of celebrating anarchy. I don't want to write again about NSA, spying, anonymous wikileaks and the hypocrisy of celebrating anarchy. I don't want to write again about NSA, spying, anonymous wikileaks and the hypocrisy of celebrating anarchy. I don't want to write again about NSA, spying, anonymous wikileaks and the hypocrisy of celebrating anarchy. I don't want to write again about NSA, spying, anonymous wikileaks and the hypocrisy of celebrating anarchy. I don't want to write again about NSA, spying, anonymous wikileaks and the hypocrisy of celebrating anarchy.

Comment by TriSec on 06/07/2013 14:23:21
Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 14:38:37
Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 14:40:20
The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.

For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made — across town or across the country — to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.


Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 14:43:40
Quote by Raine:
May 11, 2006.
Also referenced in TriSec 4f Blog post from 2007


Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 14:49:02
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )


Not made with real key limes I wager.

ever since I found out they ship in there donuts daily DD has gone to the bottom of my list - much rather have a Shoppers donut

Normally I would agree with you, but I'm not gonna look a free donut in the mouth!

As we all know free food is the best tasting food.

Free with purchase of - there's always a catch. Trying to decide if it's worth braving the rain, since I already have coffee.


Our weather is what I call post-tropical gorgeous. Sunny to partly cloudy, a touch breezy and not too hot.


Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 14:50:25



They aren't made fresh in each location like Krispy Kreme? Bastids!

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 14:54:02
Don't mind me as I continue out gas vodka, amaretto and chartreuse.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 14:56:00
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
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Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )


Not made with real key limes I wager.

ever since I found out they ship in there donuts daily DD has gone to the bottom of my list - much rather have a Shoppers donut

Normally I would agree with you, but I'm not gonna look a free donut in the mouth!

As we all know free food is the best tasting food.

Free with purchase of - there's always a catch. Trying to decide if it's worth braving the rain, since I already have coffee.


Our weather is what I call post-tropical gorgeous. Sunny to partly cloudy, a touch breezy and not too hot.



oohh I love that air - everything smells so amazingly clean

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 14:59:54
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

Why, It's Free Donut Day at ol' DD!

(I got my new fave - Key Lime Pie! )


Not made with real key limes I wager.

ever since I found out they ship in there donuts daily DD has gone to the bottom of my list - much rather have a Shoppers donut

Normally I would agree with you, but I'm not gonna look a free donut in the mouth!

As we all know free food is the best tasting food.

Free with purchase of - there's always a catch. Trying to decide if it's worth braving the rain, since I already have coffee.


Our weather is what I call post-tropical gorgeous. Sunny to partly cloudy, a touch breezy and not too hot.



oohh I love that air - everything smells so amazingly clean


YES! It was so weird, the local host on NPR kept saying it was overcast when I was driving to work. What? Then why was I wearing my sunglasses? Go look out a window, woman!

Comment by clintster on 06/07/2013 14:59:55
Just heard Steph play my Beckthoven symphony, and John say it always makes him laugh. I just smiled for the first time in a while.

Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 15:03:13
Quote by clintster:
Just heard Steph play my Beckthoven symphony, and John say it always makes him laugh. I just smiled for the first time in a while.
I laugh at that one every time as well!


Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 15:13:34
It's not like some people didn't fight to prevent this all from happening... from 4f in 2008....

Privacy was bought and sold to the highest bidder.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 15:18:00
With Christie's unrelenting dislike of teachers my guess he was a crap student

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 15:19:40
Quote by wickedpam:
With Christie's unrelenting dislike of teachers my guess he was a crap student



Yeah he was that kid in the back row with the bad attitude and mocking laugh. I bet he looked something like this:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110623042519/simpsons/images/4/40/Picture0003.jpg


Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 15:34:54
Way to get something wrong, Altnet.

I've only started reading this article. Where they mention Thomas R. Insel, director of the National Institute of Mental Health not using the DSM, the author is completely wrong. Insel said they won't be using DSM-5.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/07/2013 15:35:12
It's wayback machine day here at 4F..

http://atlantaunfiltered.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/wayback-machine.jpg


Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 15:43:19
Quote by Scoopster:
It's wayback machine day here at 4F..

http://atlantaunfiltered.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/wayback-machine.jpg
Sorry -- It's amazing to go back and look at how much we have written over the past 6 or so years.


In that respect I have to say I am baffled about this NSA issue NOW. I don't like it, I never have, but this is simply something anyone who was paying attention KNEW ABOUT.

Hell -- even the PRISM program was passed into law in 2007. Hell I even came across this from M-Faye a few years ago about telecom immunity:
The observation made by Olbermann and Abrams was that the Congress is merely covering their own collective ass as they were as complicit in undermining the FISA laws as the Bush/Cheney administration. I don't believe knowing about a crime and not acting to stop it is as bad as committing a crime, but it is a crime nonetheless, and that is apparently that crime that has Congress's guilty conscience stopping them from doing the right thing and casting a vote that does not give retroactive immunity to companies who broke the law. Chris Lavoie has said several times on the SMS that companies should not have more or better rights than people, but there is the rub - corporations are people in the eyes of the law.
<-- bolded MINE -- this was BEFORE Citizen's United!



Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 15:45:08
I am sorry about a lack of a blog today, but in rereading so much stuff, it is amazing to me when I read that this is a *both sides* problem from those on the right.

To be honest, it is a *you weren't listening when we were warning you* problem.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 15:54:04
Quote by Raine:
I am sorry about a lack of a blog today, but in rereading so much stuff, it is amazing to me when I read that this is a *both sides* problem from those on the right.

To be honest, it is a *you weren't listening when we were warning you* problem.




Yeppers. I've been ruminating on this the past couple of days and pretty much reached the same conclusion. The PATRIOT Act was a Bad Idea then, and continues to be a Bad Idea. It was an enormous power grab by the executive branch; it's a genie that we are not going to be able to get back into the bottle.

Comment by livingonli on 06/07/2013 16:06:47
Good day, folks. Really crappy and rainy today so I will probably just stay indoors since it will be too much to drive out to get the free doughnut.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 16:20:17
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Really crappy and rainy today so I will probably just stay indoors since it will be too much to drive out to get the free doughnut.



I love rainy days when I don't have to go anywhere

Comment by TriSec on 06/07/2013 16:38:47
It's a Fox link...but I am strangely comforted by the fact that Iwo is still an emergency landing field for the US Navy....which is why we invaded it in the first place.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 17:05:30
Quote by TriSec:
It's a Fox link...but I am strangely comforted by the fact that Iwo is still an emergency landing field for the US Navy....which is why we invaded it in the first place.




Esplain to me why is the navy training pilots on carrier landing on chunk of volcanic rock in the Pacific ocean close to Japan as apposed to one close to the US? :headscratch:

Comment by TriSec on 06/07/2013 17:54:20
Hmm, the hardest part about planning an entire Scouting Year is I'm trying not to "clone" Pack 250, despite knowing that the program works 100%. (If you liked what you saw, come and join Pack 205 and you will see different events in a different order.)


Comment by TriSec on 06/07/2013 18:17:30
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/07/2013 18:33:22
Quote by TriSec:
Icky.




Yep. Looks like my weather yesterdee.

Comment by livingonli on 06/07/2013 18:47:29
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Icky.




Yep. Looks like my weather yesterdee.

Down here too. Rain fade on the DirecTV but I am watching Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein on Cozi TV.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/07/2013 18:48:34
Hi, bloggers! I hope everyone is well.

I am not surprised by the NSA, and would argue that we need to repeal the Patriot Act. I just believe that putting millions of people in a database, without their consent, is intrusive.

Today, I am doing various boring household chores in addition to job hunting. In the good news, I think that my interview yesterday went well.

Also, I did some more job hunting in Massachusetts and Virginia. I am waiting to hear from some of the places that I have applied to of late. One quick question for our Virginia folks. What counties in addition to Fairfax County, are considered part of Northern Virginia and the DC area?

Comment by Raine on 06/07/2013 19:01:02
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Hi, bloggers! I hope everyone is well.

I am not surprised by the NSA, and would argue that we need to repeal the Patriot Act. I just believe that putting millions of people in a database, without their consent, is intrusive.

Today, I am doing various boring household chores in addition to job hunting. In the good news, I think that my interview yesterday went well.

Also, I did some more job hunting in Massachusetts and Virginia. I am waiting to hear from some of the places that I have applied to of late. One quick question for our Virginia folks. What counties in addition to Fairfax County, are considered part of Northern Virginia and the DC area?
here you go, Will:

The counties of Arlington, Clarke, Culpeper, Fairfax, Fauquier, King George, Loudoun, Prince William, Spotsylvania, Stafford, and Warren, and the independent cities Alexandria, Falls Church, Fairfax, Fredericksburg, Manassas, and Manassas Park


Comment by wickedpam on 06/07/2013 19:03:33
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Hi, bloggers! I hope everyone is well.

I am not surprised by the NSA, and would argue that we need to repeal the Patriot Act. I just believe that putting millions of people in a database, without their consent, is intrusive.

Today, I am doing various boring household chores in addition to job hunting. In the good news, I think that my interview yesterday went well.

Also, I did some more job hunting in Massachusetts and Virginia. I am waiting to hear from some of the places that I have applied to of late. One quick question for our Virginia folks. What counties in addition to Fairfax County, are considered part of Northern Virginia and the DC area?



Alexandria, Springfield, Annandale, Arlington, Loudoun Co, Sterling, Ashburn, to some extend Prince William Co, Manassas, Manassas Park, Dale City, Woodbridge, Tyson's Corner, McLean, Great Falls........ did I miss any?