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Tax-wasted Enough Already
Author: BobR
Date: 06/10/2013 12:32:28
With the NSA phone log warrant story taking all the headlines and pundit breath, the previous "controversies" surrounding the Obama administration have taken a back seat. It's time to revisit one of them: the "IRS/Tea Party" "scandal". To hear Republicans and FOX "News" tell it, the president conspired with the IRS to target Tea Party groups applying for tax-exempt status.
The initial question, of course, is: WHY should a blatantly political organization be granted tax-exempt status in the first place under a designation reserved for social welfare groups (which are the antithesis of what the Tea Party and Republicans stand for)? I am not the only person to ask that question:
So to that point - the "targeting" fell squarely within the purview of the IRS's mission to legally collect taxes and ferret out the cheats. However, that sort of question just inflamed the right-wing even more. Investigations were initiated. Lies and misrepresentations were rampant. The heads of the affected groups testified before Congress about how they felt their 1st Amendment rights were being stifled (pssst - here's what it means to have free speech).
And of course - there was the accusation that this was somehow orchestrated by the White House. It has been previously reported that the person in charge of the region where this occurred was a Bush appointee that was still in her job. The head of the IRS at the time was also a Bush appointee (and yet somehow the person currently acting as head of the IRS had to be sacrificed by President Obama at the altar of Republican douchebaggery).
It is now coming to light that the IRS agent that initiated the targeting of Tea Party groups was - in fact - a conservative Republican:
So: We have a conservative Republican IRS agent, reporting to a Bush-Appointee area manager, working under a Bush-Appointee IRS head, and somehow - somehow - this is a partisan Obama controversy??
Perpetual witch-hunter Daryll Issa wanted the truth to come out, and there is certainly enough truth out there now to prove that this was a "ground-up" operation (rather than a "top-down"), and was not done for partisan reasons. All Issa has proven thus far is that HE is the partisan hack wasting taxpayer dollars while he pursues his partisan agenda.
The initial question, of course, is: WHY should a blatantly political organization be granted tax-exempt status in the first place under a designation reserved for social welfare groups (which are the antithesis of what the Tea Party and Republicans stand for)? I am not the only person to ask that question:
The tea party groups in question were applying to become tax exempt 501©4 groups, also known as social welfare organizations. McDermott noted the purpose of such groups was to advance the common good and general welfare a community. Political organizations, on the other hand, are categorized under section 527 of the federal tax code.
“Each of your groups is highly political,” the congressman said. “From opposing the President’s healthcare reform, to abortion restrictions, to gay marriage, you’re all entrenched in some of the most controversial political issues in this country – and with your applications you are asking the American public to pay for that work. Many of you host and endorse candidates. The line between permitted political activity and non-permitted political activity can be very fine, and it’s important that tax payers know which side you fall on.”
So to that point - the "targeting" fell squarely within the purview of the IRS's mission to legally collect taxes and ferret out the cheats. However, that sort of question just inflamed the right-wing even more. Investigations were initiated. Lies and misrepresentations were rampant. The heads of the affected groups testified before Congress about how they felt their 1st Amendment rights were being stifled (pssst - here's what it means to have free speech).
And of course - there was the accusation that this was somehow orchestrated by the White House. It has been previously reported that the person in charge of the region where this occurred was a Bush appointee that was still in her job. The head of the IRS at the time was also a Bush appointee (and yet somehow the person currently acting as head of the IRS had to be sacrificed by President Obama at the altar of Republican douchebaggery).
It is now coming to light that the IRS agent that initiated the targeting of Tea Party groups was - in fact - a conservative Republican:
A U.S. Internal Revenue Service manager, who described himself as a conservative Republican, told congressional investigators that he and a local colleague decided to give conservative groups the extra scrutiny that has prompted weeks of political controversy.
In an official interview transcript released on Sunday by Democratic Representative Elijah Cummings, the manager said he and an underling set aside “Tea Party” and “patriot” groups that had applied for tax-exempt status because the organizations appeared to pose a new precedent that could affect future IRS filings.
[..]
The excerpts of interviews with IRS workers released by Cummings indicate that the IRS manager and an underling first decided to contact Washington, D.C. IRS officials for guidance on the cases from groups aligned with the anti-tax Tea Party movement.
They did so to consolidate them, as they might be precedent-setting for future cases, the manager said, according to the interview transcripts.
So: We have a conservative Republican IRS agent, reporting to a Bush-Appointee area manager, working under a Bush-Appointee IRS head, and somehow - somehow - this is a partisan Obama controversy??
Perpetual witch-hunter Daryll Issa wanted the truth to come out, and there is certainly enough truth out there now to prove that this was a "ground-up" operation (rather than a "top-down"), and was not done for partisan reasons. All Issa has proven thus far is that HE is the partisan hack wasting taxpayer dollars while he pursues his partisan agenda.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 12:56:33
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 12:56:33
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 06/10/2013 13:25:54
Good Morning!
I look forward to Representative Cummings releasing the interviews proving Issa wrong.
ETA: the rest of the interviews
Raine on 06/10/2013 13:25:54
Good Morning! I look forward to Representative Cummings releasing the interviews proving Issa wrong.
ETA: the rest of the interviews
Comment by 
TriSec on 06/10/2013 13:59:46
TriSec on 06/10/2013 13:59:46
OK, I need to go home.
I totally just opened up a mini-moo, poured it in the trash, and dropped the empty into my coffee cup.
I totally just opened up a mini-moo, poured it in the trash, and dropped the empty into my coffee cup.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 14:05:25
Raine on 06/10/2013 14:05:25
The whistle blower gave that info from his office in Hong Kong it appears.
Hong Kong...
According to Glenn Greenwald, Snowden said he chose Hong Kong because “‘they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent,’ and because he believed that it was one of the few places in the world that both could and would resist the dictates of the US government.â€
Hong Kong...
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:14:19
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:14:19
Hey Mondo - which Samsung did you get?
Comment by 
Scoopster on 06/10/2013 14:18:21
Scoopster on 06/10/2013 14:18:21
Mornin' all.. 
The computer problems are abundant this morning..
The computer problems are abundant this morning..
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:23:49
This one:
The Galaxy S3, aka the awesome phone of awesomeness 
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:23:49
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Mondo - which Samsung did you get?
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:24:10
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:24:10
Mine is ice blue though.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:25:07
You are having an interesting morning.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:25:07
Quote by TriSec:
OK, I need to go home.
I totally just opened up a mini-moo, poured it in the trash, and dropped the empty into my coffee cup.
You are having an interesting morning.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:32:19
the awesome phone of awesome XD - so that's a thumbs up from you on that product, right
Its Android based, right? So if I switch from Motorola Android to Samsung its not a big deal and doesn't need a huge learning curve?
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:32:19
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Mondo - which Samsung did you get?This one: The Galaxy S3, aka the awesome phone of awesomeness
the awesome phone of awesome XD - so that's a thumbs up from you on that product, right
Its Android based, right? So if I switch from Motorola Android to Samsung its not a big deal and doesn't need a huge learning curve?
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 14:37:36
Raine on 06/10/2013 14:37:36
I'm with Jackie Schectner -- Something is sketchy about Snowden.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:38:37
he's very - its me, I did it, look at me!
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:38:37
Quote by Raine:
I'm with Jackie Schectner -- Something is sketchy about Snowden.
he's very - its me, I did it, look at me!
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:40:20
I should say the main thing I want is a bigger screen
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:40:20
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Mondo - which Samsung did you get?This one: The Galaxy S3, aka the awesome phone of awesomeness
the awesome phone of awesome XD - so that's a thumbs up from you on that product, right
Its Android based, right? So if I switch from Motorola Android to Samsung its not a big deal and doesn't need a huge learning curve?
I should say the main thing I want is a bigger screen
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:41:39
The paranoia runs deep in that one. He's worried that the CIA will come and "get" him.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:41:39
Quote by Raine:
I'm with Jackie Schectner -- Something is sketchy about Snowden.
The paranoia runs deep in that one. He's worried that the CIA will come and "get" him.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:42:32
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:42:32
Why doth you inquire about the APoA, Mala?
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 14:44:58
he WAS CIA.
Raine on 06/10/2013 14:44:58
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I'm with Jackie Schectner -- Something is sketchy about Snowden.
The paranoia runs deep in that one. He's worried that the CIA will come and "get" him.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/10/2013 14:45:50
Will in Chicago on 06/10/2013 14:45:50
Good morning, bloggers!! BobR, I don't think that Issa has a leg to stand on here. First of all, a lot of these groups seem to exist solely for political reasons. Secondly, I don't see any IRS agent who happens to be a Republican sacrificing his or her career for Obama.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:45:51
Yes. Although I have learned that since Android is much more open platform than iOS, there are little tweaks that each manufacturer and cell phone provider add, but otherwise, yeah, it will be pretty much the same. I was able to transition from the iPhone to the Android in about a day or so.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:45:51
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Mondo - which Samsung did you get?This one: The Galaxy S3, aka the awesome phone of awesomeness
the awesome phone of awesome XD - so that's a thumbs up from you on that product, right
Its Android based, right? So if I switch from Motorola Android to Samsung its not a big deal and doesn't need a huge learning curve?
Yes. Although I have learned that since Android is much more open platform than iOS, there are little tweaks that each manufacturer and cell phone provider add, but otherwise, yeah, it will be pretty much the same. I was able to transition from the iPhone to the Android in about a day or so.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 14:46:36
Raine on 06/10/2013 14:46:36
Except Hong Kong/China has an extradition treaty with the USA -- why didn't this dude just go straight to Iceland?
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:47:46
I'm wanting to change my phone since I had to get a refurb when my original phone crapped out - just hating to change phones cause then I lose my grandfathered unlimited data plan so I'm dragging my feet a bit doing research
and the screen is so freaking small I have to put on reading glasses just to see it
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:47:46
Quote by Mondobubba:
Why doth you inquire about the APoA, Mala?
I'm wanting to change my phone since I had to get a refurb when my original phone crapped out - just hating to change phones cause then I lose my grandfathered unlimited data plan so I'm dragging my feet a bit doing research
and the screen is so freaking small I have to put on reading glasses just to see it
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:48:20
He was and now he's Booz, Allen and Hamilton. I was listening to the NPR mosheen this morning, when they were reporting on him it was mentioned that there 850,000 involved in intelligence these days. This includes gummit employees and contractors.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 14:48:20
Quote by Raine:he WAS CIA.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I'm with Jackie Schectner -- Something is sketchy about Snowden.
The paranoia runs deep in that one. He's worried that the CIA will come and "get" him.
He was and now he's Booz, Allen and Hamilton. I was listening to the NPR mosheen this morning, when they were reporting on him it was mentioned that there 850,000 involved in intelligence these days. This includes gummit employees and contractors.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:50:12
that is a good question - my guess he's either not so smart or he wants to make it a bigger spectacle in thinking the US and China will fight over him
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 14:50:12
Quote by Raine:
Except Hong Kong/China has an extradition treaty with the USA -- why didn't this dude just go straight to Iceland?
that is a good question - my guess he's either not so smart or he wants to make it a bigger spectacle in thinking the US and China will fight over him
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/10/2013 14:51:11
In his case, I would have gone straight to Iceland. Although Hong Kong itself is trying hard to preserve its liberties, China has the ultimate say so.
I think that we are having a debate on these programs, which we should have had long ago.
Will in Chicago on 06/10/2013 14:51:11
Quote by Raine:
Except Hong Kong/China has an extradition treaty with the USA -- why didn't this dude just go straight to Iceland?
In his case, I would have gone straight to Iceland. Although Hong Kong itself is trying hard to preserve its liberties, China has the ultimate say so.
I think that we are having a debate on these programs, which we should have had long ago.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 14:51:44
I posted a lot of that info last night on das blog. 
Something is just not right here. He has to have high level sec clearance. You see that is the part that just bugs me to no end -- and I feel really torn on this.
Raine on 06/10/2013 14:51:44
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:he WAS CIA.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I'm with Jackie Schectner -- Something is sketchy about Snowden.
The paranoia runs deep in that one. He's worried that the CIA will come and "get" him.
He was and now he's Booz, Allen and Hamilton. I was listening to the NPR mosheen this morning, when they were reporting on him it was mentioned that there 850,000 involved in intelligence these days. This includes gummit employees and contractors.
Something is just not right here. He has to have high level sec clearance. You see that is the part that just bugs me to no end -- and I feel really torn on this.
Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2013 14:53:52
TriSec on 06/10/2013 14:53:52
Flashback:
It was 29 years ago today that Your Loyal TriSec was graduating from Saugus High School.
On what turned out to be the second-hottest day of 1984 in Boston (the next day was 98), in the middle of a week-long heat wave.
The only reason I'm here today is because my section of the alphabet was seated near the band - and they had water.
It was 29 years ago today that Your Loyal TriSec was graduating from Saugus High School.
On what turned out to be the second-hottest day of 1984 in Boston (the next day was 98), in the middle of a week-long heat wave.
The only reason I'm here today is because my section of the alphabet was seated near the band - and they had water.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 14:54:18
We should have had that debate yes -- but that doesn't mean that anyone should just release classified information becuase they decided years ago they wanted to become a 'whistleblower'. (Which he is not -- he is a leaker) he worked for booz allen hamilton for LESS than three months.
Raine on 06/10/2013 14:54:18
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
Except Hong Kong/China has an extradition treaty with the USA -- why didn't this dude just go straight to Iceland?
In his case, I would have gone straight to Iceland. Although Hong Kong itself is trying hard to preserve its liberties, China has the ultimate say so.
I think that we are having a debate on these programs, which we should have had long ago.
"A lot of people in 2008 voted for Obama. I did not vote for him. I voted for a third party. But I believed in Obama's promises. I was going to disclose it [but waited because of his election]. He continued with the policies of his predecessor," Snowden said in an interview The Guardian posted online.
Comment by 
BobR on 06/10/2013 14:58:20
https://immi.is/index.php/86-statement-regarding-involvement-of-immi-in-edward-snowden-asylum-request
BobR on 06/10/2013 14:58:20
Quote by Raine:
Except Hong Kong/China has an extradition treaty with the USA -- why didn't this dude just go straight to Iceland?
https://immi.is/index.php/86-statement-regarding-involvement-of-immi-in-edward-snowden-asylum-request
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 15:02:47
Who is your carrier? I have AT&T and am grandfathered on unlimited data. I am not leaving them any time soon.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 15:02:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Why doth you inquire about the APoA, Mala?
I'm wanting to change my phone since I had to get a refurb when my original phone crapped out - just hating to change phones cause then I lose my grandfathered unlimited data plan so I'm dragging my feet a bit doing research
and the screen is so freaking small I have to put on reading glasses just to see it
Who is your carrier? I have AT&T and am grandfathered on unlimited data. I am not leaving them any time soon.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 15:05:49
verizon -if your get a new phone you have to sign a new contract - at least that is my understanding
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 15:05:49
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Why doth you inquire about the APoA, Mala?
I'm wanting to change my phone since I had to get a refurb when my original phone crapped out - just hating to change phones cause then I lose my grandfathered unlimited data plan so I'm dragging my feet a bit doing research
and the screen is so freaking small I have to put on reading glasses just to see it
Who is your carrier? I have AT&T and am grandfathered on unlimited data. I am not leaving them any time soon.
verizon -if your get a new phone you have to sign a new contract - at least that is my understanding
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 15:10:38
I'd have to ask Bob about that. I thought it was just a contract extension.
Raine on 06/10/2013 15:10:38
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Why doth you inquire about the APoA, Mala?
I'm wanting to change my phone since I had to get a refurb when my original phone crapped out - just hating to change phones cause then I lose my grandfathered unlimited data plan so I'm dragging my feet a bit doing research
and the screen is so freaking small I have to put on reading glasses just to see it
Who is your carrier? I have AT&T and am grandfathered on unlimited data. I am not leaving them any time soon.
verizon -if your get a new phone you have to sign a new contract - at least that is my understanding
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 15:12:41
and you can still get the phone on a deal price? - that would be awesome
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 15:12:41
Quote by Raine:I'd have to ask Bob about that. I thought it was just a contract extension.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Why doth you inquire about the APoA, Mala?
I'm wanting to change my phone since I had to get a refurb when my original phone crapped out - just hating to change phones cause then I lose my grandfathered unlimited data plan so I'm dragging my feet a bit doing research
and the screen is so freaking small I have to put on reading glasses just to see it
Who is your carrier? I have AT&T and am grandfathered on unlimited data. I am not leaving them any time soon.
verizon -if your get a new phone you have to sign a new contract - at least that is my understanding
and you can still get the phone on a deal price? - that would be awesome
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 15:14:41
Remember, unlike computer security, the clearance goes with the person, not the role. If he had the top secret clearance at CIA he can walk right into the waiting arms of any contractor who wants to hire him.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 15:14:41
Quote by Raine:I posted a lot of that info last night on das blog.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:he WAS CIA.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I'm with Jackie Schectner -- Something is sketchy about Snowden.
The paranoia runs deep in that one. He's worried that the CIA will come and "get" him.
He was and now he's Booz, Allen and Hamilton. I was listening to the NPR mosheen this morning, when they were reporting on him it was mentioned that there 850,000 involved in intelligence these days. This includes gummit employees and contractors.
Something is just not right here. He has to have high level sec clearance. You see that is the part that just bugs me to no end -- and I feel really torn on this.
Remember, unlike computer security, the clearance goes with the person, not the role. If he had the top secret clearance at CIA he can walk right into the waiting arms of any contractor who wants to hire him.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 15:19:24
There is some confusion to that as the Icelandic ambassador to China has said he needs to be in Iceland to request asylum. Original South China Post article.
Raine on 06/10/2013 15:19:24
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Except Hong Kong/China has an extradition treaty with the USA -- why didn't this dude just go straight to Iceland?
https://immi.is/index.php/86-statement-regarding-involvement-of-immi-in-edward-snowden-asylum-request
Iceland might be a long shot. That country's ambassador to China told the South China Morning Post that Snowden would have to be physically inside Iceland in order to apply for such status.
"According to Icelandic law, a person can only submit such an application once he-she is in Iceland," Ambassador KristÃn Ãrnadóttir said, according to the paper. "The Ministry of the Interior in Iceland deals with issues of this nature and handles applications for asylum."
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 15:21:21
Thanks for reminding me. It still seems really strange that he said he knew of these practices in 2008. That would be before Obama took office.
Why did he wait?
Raine on 06/10/2013 15:21:21
Quote by Mondobubba:
Remember, unlike computer security, the clearance goes with the person, not the role. If he had the top secret clearance at CIA he can walk right into the waiting arms of any contractor who wants to hire him.
Why did he wait?
Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2013 15:27:53
I'm with Verizon - Brother TriSec has recently told me the same thing. Especially if you have a much older, non-smart phone. I'd have to upgrade to one of the far more expensive data plans, so I have not yet.
Although I probably will soon enough - I want a new phone for my birthday this summer. Which I will have to buy myself.
TriSec on 06/10/2013 15:27:53
Quote by wickedpam:
verizon -if your get a new phone you have to sign a new contract - at least that is my understanding
I'm with Verizon - Brother TriSec has recently told me the same thing. Especially if you have a much older, non-smart phone. I'd have to upgrade to one of the far more expensive data plans, so I have not yet.
Although I probably will soon enough - I want a new phone for my birthday this summer. Which I will have to buy myself.
Comment by 
clintster on 06/10/2013 15:30:18
clintster on 06/10/2013 15:30:18
So apparently the Tony awards broadcast was cut off early in Atlanta for the news. Not to fear, though: they provided a recap. And after watching this, I'm sure you'll agree they really put their best foot in their mouth:
Katie Boots? REALLY?
Katie Boots? REALLY?
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 15:35:31
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 15:35:31
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 15:37:04
trust me, when you jump up to a smart phone you'll enjoy it very much
wonder if its the same if you're just making a lateral move
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 15:37:04
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
verizon -if your get a new phone you have to sign a new contract - at least that is my understanding
I'm with Verizon - Brother TriSec has recently told me the same thing. Especially if you have a much older, non-smart phone. I'd have to upgrade to one of the far more expensive data plans, so I have not yet.
Although I probably will soon enough - I want a new phone for my birthday this summer. Which I will have to buy myself.
trust me, when you jump up to a smart phone you'll enjoy it very much
wonder if its the same if you're just making a lateral move
Comment by 
livingonli on 06/10/2013 15:41:24
livingonli on 06/10/2013 15:41:24
Good morning, folks. So much to do and so little time to do it.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 15:42:00
That's a mouthful? 
Neil Patrick harris rapping was a mouthful... and he was awesome!
Raine on 06/10/2013 15:42:00
Quote by clintster:
So apparently the Tony awards broadcast was cut off early in Atlanta for the news. Not to fear, though: they provided a recap. And after watching this, I'm sure you'll agree they really put their best foot in their mouth:
Katie Boots? REALLY?
Neil Patrick harris rapping was a mouthful... and he was awesome!
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 15:42:35
CHeck it!
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 15:42:35
Quote by Raine:That's a mouthful?Quote by clintster:
So apparently the Tony awards broadcast was cut off early in Atlanta for the news. Not to fear, though: they provided a recap. And after watching this, I'm sure you'll agree they really put their best foot in their mouth:
Katie Boots? REALLY?
Neil Patrick harris rapping was a mouthful... and he was awesome!
CHeck it!
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 15:42:56
Raine on 06/10/2013 15:42:56
The trip to beautiful pippin starring KAtie Boots! 
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:13:20
Speaking of things that will make you laugh, this is well worth to the 16 mins
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:13:20
Speaking of things that will make you laugh, this is well worth to the 16 mins
Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2013 16:14:43
TriSec on 06/10/2013 16:14:43
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 16:19:54
Raine on 06/10/2013 16:19:54
This really kinda pissed me off, and I can't believe I am defending Mika.
Look I am not trying to attack the messenger, but this idea of shutting down a question, a fair one in my opinion, with the answer *Your parroting WH talking points* id just a bullshit way to shut down discussion.
THIS I do not like. If people like Greenwald want sunlight and transparency -- then let the f8cking discussion happen -- he, after all, broke the story.
This was actually a great segment on Morning Joe.
Look I am not trying to attack the messenger, but this idea of shutting down a question, a fair one in my opinion, with the answer *Your parroting WH talking points* id just a bullshit way to shut down discussion.
THIS I do not like. If people like Greenwald want sunlight and transparency -- then let the f8cking discussion happen -- he, after all, broke the story.
This was actually a great segment on Morning Joe.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:24:27
Sounds like the neighbor I almost ran over last night when the power was out the neighborhood. I turned on my headlights and there in his black shirt and dark jeans was a dude with his headphones on in the middle of the street. Note to the meat head, do not dress for felony burglary when you are out for a walk in the blackout.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:24:27
Quote by TriSec:
Strike one - Trespassing.
Strike two - Headphones.
Strike Three - TRAIN!
Sounds like the neighbor I almost ran over last night when the power was out the neighborhood. I turned on my headlights and there in his black shirt and dark jeans was a dude with his headphones on in the middle of the street. Note to the meat head, do not dress for felony burglary when you are out for a walk in the blackout.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:29:12
Glen Greenwald at his worst. As I said on the book of the faces yesterday, he is the Andrew Wakefield of journalism. Like Wakefield his defenders are jumping to his defense.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:29:12
Quote by Raine:
This really kinda pissed me off, and I can't believe I am defending Mika.
Look I am not trying to attack the messenger, but this idea of shutting down a question, a fair one in my opinion, with the answer *Your parroting WH talking points* id just a bullshit way to shut down discussion.
THIS I do not like. If people like Greenwald want sunlight and transparency -- then let the f8cking discussion happen -- he, after all, broke the story.
This was actually a great segment on Morning Joe.
Glen Greenwald at his worst. As I said on the book of the faces yesterday, he is the Andrew Wakefield of journalism. Like Wakefield his defenders are jumping to his defense.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:37:28
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:37:28
Said power failure happened during "Mad Men" last night. I am not please'd. 
Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2013 16:42:45
I just finished Season 4 last night.. so good!
Scoopster on 06/10/2013 16:42:45
Quote by Mondobubba:
Said power failure happened during "Mad Men" last night. I am not please'd.
I just finished Season 4 last night.. so good!
Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2013 16:46:54
TriSec on 06/10/2013 16:46:54
So, this past weekend was Paddlesports weekend at the store.
I didn't sell many boats myself, but I did spend an awful lot of time in the parking lot doing "installs".
One was completely epic - spent over an hour wrestling with a Ford Explorer trying to tie two kayaks on the roof. Glass-panorama roof and no crossbars are not very "tiedown friendly". We eventually tried to get both kayaks onto a second vehicle, A Toyota this time. One went up just fine, but the second....underneath was a sea of plastic and skid plates, without a single hardpoint.
"Sport" and "Utility"? Not so much. The Explorer was nicely appointed with rich, Corinthian leather and burnished hardwoods, though.
I could have strapped both of them onto my Subaru (or any other sedan, for that matter) in about 15 minutes.
I didn't sell many boats myself, but I did spend an awful lot of time in the parking lot doing "installs".
One was completely epic - spent over an hour wrestling with a Ford Explorer trying to tie two kayaks on the roof. Glass-panorama roof and no crossbars are not very "tiedown friendly". We eventually tried to get both kayaks onto a second vehicle, A Toyota this time. One went up just fine, but the second....underneath was a sea of plastic and skid plates, without a single hardpoint.
"Sport" and "Utility"? Not so much. The Explorer was nicely appointed with rich, Corinthian leather and burnished hardwoods, though.
I could have strapped both of them onto my Subaru (or any other sedan, for that matter) in about 15 minutes.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:48:36
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 16:48:36
This a classic error of correlation not being causation.
Last time I checked, Federal business taxes are used to specifically fund education. WTF Alternet?
As corporate taxes have plummeted, education financing has declined by 24 percent, and tuition at state schools has increased 72 percent. Since 1985, while consumer prices have approximately doubled, tuition has risen almost 600%.
Last time I checked, Federal business taxes are used to specifically fund education. WTF Alternet?
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 16:59:05
another reason why I'm glad I stopped "like"ing Alternet on FB - the posts were getting more and more obnoxious and annoying
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 16:59:05
Quote by Mondobubba:
This a classic error of correlation not being causation.As corporate taxes have plummeted, education financing has declined by 24 percent, and tuition at state schools has increased 72 percent. Since 1985, while consumer prices have approximately doubled, tuition has risen almost 600%.
Last time I checked, Federal business taxes are used to specifically fund education. WTF Alternet?
another reason why I'm glad I stopped "like"ing Alternet on FB - the posts were getting more and more obnoxious and annoying
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 17:13:21
In my head, "rich Corithian leather" was said by Ricardo Montolban.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 17:13:21
Quote by TriSec:
So, this past weekend was Paddlesports weekend at the store.
I didn't sell many boats myself, but I did spend an awful lot of time in the parking lot doing "installs".
One was completely epic - spent over an hour wrestling with a Ford Explorer trying to tie two kayaks on the roof. Glass-panorama roof and no crossbars are not very "tiedown friendly". We eventually tried to get both kayaks onto a second vehicle, A Toyota this time. One went up just fine, but the second....underneath was a sea of plastic and skid plates, without a single hardpoint.
"Sport" and "Utility"? Not so much. The Explorer was nicely appointed with rich, Corinthian leather and burnished hardwoods, though.
I could have strapped both of them onto my Subaru (or any other sedan, for that matter) in about 15 minutes.
In my head, "rich Corithian leather" was said by Ricardo Montolban.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 17:17:12
ditto
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 17:17:12
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
So, this past weekend was Paddlesports weekend at the store.
I didn't sell many boats myself, but I did spend an awful lot of time in the parking lot doing "installs".
One was completely epic - spent over an hour wrestling with a Ford Explorer trying to tie two kayaks on the roof. Glass-panorama roof and no crossbars are not very "tiedown friendly". We eventually tried to get both kayaks onto a second vehicle, A Toyota this time. One went up just fine, but the second....underneath was a sea of plastic and skid plates, without a single hardpoint.
"Sport" and "Utility"? Not so much. The Explorer was nicely appointed with rich, Corinthian leather and burnished hardwoods, though.
I could have strapped both of them onto my Subaru (or any other sedan, for that matter) in about 15 minutes.
In my head, "rich Corithian leather" was said by Ricardo Montolban.
ditto
Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2013 17:35:43
TriSec on 06/10/2013 17:35:43
Mondo will appreciate that I am losing brain cells at a prodigious rate while I sit through this conference call.
They are presently demonstrating how to register for the CORE testing website.
I may hang up soon.
They are presently demonstrating how to register for the CORE testing website.
I may hang up soon.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 17:48:21
Raine on 06/10/2013 17:48:21
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 17:54:35
even if it was this position, it still seems strange that he was able to get this job.
Raine on 06/10/2013 17:54:35
Quote by Raine:
how did Snowden even get his job at the CIA? He doesn't have a degree by his own admission.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/10/2013 17:57:28
From the Guardian article:
I have to ask how easy it is for someone to get involved with the NSA and CIA? While Snowden got a GED, I am surprised that he went from a security guard to a worker for the CIA.
Aditionally, I have to wonder what data is being collected on us. I am not happy with the scope of surveillance now, as I was unhappy with everything that was done during the Bush administration. (The GOP and its pundit allies, seem to take the position that anything is bad if it is done under a Democratic administration. I do have to give them credit for one virtue - consistency. As in being consistent in their hypocrisy.)
Will in Chicago on 06/10/2013 17:57:28
Quote by Raine:
how did Snowden even get his job at the CIA? He doesn't have a degree by his own admission.
From the Guardian article:
By his own admission, he was not a stellar student. In order to get the credits necessary to obtain a high school diploma, he attended a community college in Maryland, studying computing, but never completed the coursework. (He later obtained his GED.)
In 2003, he enlisted in the US army and began a training program to join the Special Forces. Invoking the same principles that he now cites to justify his leaks, he said: "I wanted to fight in the Iraq war because I felt like I had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression".
He recounted how his beliefs about the war's purpose were quickly dispelled. "Most of the people training us seemed pumped up about killing Arabs, not helping anyone," he said. After he broke both his legs in a training accident, he was discharged.
After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.
By 2007, the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland. His responsibility for maintaining computer network security meant he had clearance to access a wide array of classified documents.
I have to ask how easy it is for someone to get involved with the NSA and CIA? While Snowden got a GED, I am surprised that he went from a security guard to a worker for the CIA.
Aditionally, I have to wonder what data is being collected on us. I am not happy with the scope of surveillance now, as I was unhappy with everything that was done during the Bush administration. (The GOP and its pundit allies, seem to take the position that anything is bad if it is done under a Democratic administration. I do have to give them credit for one virtue - consistency. As in being consistent in their hypocrisy.)
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 18:03:43
My IQ dropped couple of points just by reading "how to register for the CORE testing website."
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 18:03:43
Quote by TriSec:
Mondo will appreciate that I am losing brain cells at a prodigious rate while I sit through this conference call.
They are presently demonstrating how to register for the CORE testing website.
I may hang up soon.
My IQ dropped couple of points just by reading "how to register for the CORE testing website."
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 18:10:08
from security guard to CIA??
As I said below, even if it was this position: The article appears to be ignoring his stint at Dell -- there is something not quite fitting together here. How long did he work at Dell? He was there until at least 2012:
Raine on 06/10/2013 18:10:08
Quote by Raine:even if it was this position, it still seems strange that he was able to get this job.Quote by Raine:
how did Snowden even get his job at the CIA? He doesn't have a degree by his own admission.
After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.
As I said below, even if it was this position:
These positions require a 5-year contract-term employment agreement. Contract-Term Agreement. Candidates should have Associate's Degree in Electronics and Communications Engineering Technology, Computer Network Systems, Electronics Engineering Technology or similar degrees from an accredited technical school or university. A final GPA of at least 3.0 on a 4.0 scale is required. Candidates with at least two years civilian or military work experience/knowledge in the telecommunications and/or automated information systems field that is comparable to one of the requisite degree fields may also qualify (example: with current computer systems, applications, networks, and hardware/software troubleshooting skills).
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 18:13:48
seems like a lot of job jumping in a short amount of time - I think you may be right in something being rather off about this
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 18:13:48
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:even if it was this position, it still seems strange that he was able to get this job.Quote by Raine:
how did Snowden even get his job at the CIA? He doesn't have a degree by his own admission.
from security guard to CIA??After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.
As I said below, even if it was this position:The article appears to be ignoring his stint at Dell -- there is something not quite fitting together here. How long did he work at Dell? He was there until at least 2012:These positions require a 5-year contract-term employment agreement. Contract-Term Agreement. Candidates should have Associate's Degree in Electronics and Communications Engineering Technology, Computer Network Systems, Electronics Engineering Technology or similar degrees from an accredited technical school or university. A final GPA of at least 3.0 on a 4.0 scale is required. Candidates with at least two years civilian or military work experience/knowledge in the telecommunications and/or automated information systems field that is comparable to one of the requisite degree fields may also qualify (example: with current computer systems, applications, networks, and hardware/software troubleshooting skills).
seems like a lot of job jumping in a short amount of time - I think you may be right in something being rather off about this
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 18:14:47
Where did you get the Dell thing from Raine?
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 18:14:47
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:even if it was this position, it still seems strange that he was able to get this job.Quote by Raine:
how did Snowden even get his job at the CIA? He doesn't have a degree by his own admission.
from security guard to CIA??After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.
As I said below, even if it was this position:The article appears to be ignoring his stint at Dell -- there is something not quite fitting together here. How long did he work at Dell? He was there until at least 2012:These positions require a 5-year contract-term employment agreement. Contract-Term Agreement. Candidates should have Associate's Degree in Electronics and Communications Engineering Technology, Computer Network Systems, Electronics Engineering Technology or similar degrees from an accredited technical school or university. A final GPA of at least 3.0 on a 4.0 scale is required. Candidates with at least two years civilian or military work experience/knowledge in the telecommunications and/or automated information systems field that is comparable to one of the requisite degree fields may also qualify (example: with current computer systems, applications, networks, and hardware/software troubleshooting skills).
Where did you get the Dell thing from Raine?
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 18:19:56
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 18:19:56
Hillary Clinton is now on Twitter.
She has my vote in 2016!
“Thanks for the inspiration @ASmith83 & @Sllambe – I’ll take it from here… #tweetsfromhillary†— a nod to Adam Smith and Stacy Lambe, creators of the 2012 perfection that was Texts from Hillary. And her profile photo? The cool, sunglasses and smartphone image that inspired it in the first place. Better still was her bio: “Wife, mom, lawyer, women & kids advocate, FLOAR, FLOTUS, US Senator, SecState, author, dog owner, hair icon, pantsuit aficionado, glass ceiling cracker, TBD…â€
She has my vote in 2016!
Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2013 18:24:41
livingonli on 06/10/2013 18:24:41
MSNBC just mentioned that Snowden game money to Ron Paul.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 18:26:36
I posted the link earlier this morning. Here.
I am going to mope in the corner. No one read the link.
Raine on 06/10/2013 18:26:36
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:even if it was this position, it still seems strange that he was able to get this job.Quote by Raine:
how did Snowden even get his job at the CIA? He doesn't have a degree by his own admission.
from security guard to CIA??After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.
As I said below, even if it was this position:The article appears to be ignoring his stint at Dell -- there is something not quite fitting together here. How long did he work at Dell? He was there until at least 2012:These positions require a 5-year contract-term employment agreement. Contract-Term Agreement. Candidates should have Associate's Degree in Electronics and Communications Engineering Technology, Computer Network Systems, Electronics Engineering Technology or similar degrees from an accredited technical school or university. A final GPA of at least 3.0 on a 4.0 scale is required. Candidates with at least two years civilian or military work experience/knowledge in the telecommunications and/or automated information systems field that is comparable to one of the requisite degree fields may also qualify (example: with current computer systems, applications, networks, and hardware/software troubleshooting skills).
Where did you get the Dell thing from Raine?
I am going to mope in the corner. No one read the link.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 18:31:24
Raine on 06/10/2013 18:31:24
It's also in the guardian article: But it is clear that he worked for the two companies AFTER his CIA stint -- I don't see how he qualified for the job.
The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 18:36:51
I love that she totally gets it
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 18:36:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
Hillary Clinton is now on Twitter.“Thanks for the inspiration @ASmith83 & @Sllambe – I’ll take it from here… #tweetsfromhillary†— a nod to Adam Smith and Stacy Lambe, creators of the 2012 perfection that was Texts from Hillary. And her profile photo? The cool, sunglasses and smartphone image that inspired it in the first place. Better still was her bio: “Wife, mom, lawyer, women & kids advocate, FLOAR, FLOTUS, US Senator, SecState, author, dog owner, hair icon, pantsuit aficionado, glass ceiling cracker, TBD…â€
She has my vote in 2016!
I love that she totally gets it
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 18:53:16
I didn't notice that bit about Dell in the Guardian article. Who knew that Dell was doing contract work for the NSA.
I can actually see a guy with a GED getting this kind of job. Tech is weird that way.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 18:53:16
Quote by Raine:
It's also in the guardian article:But it is clear that he worked for the two companies AFTER his CIA stint -- I don't see how he qualified for the job.The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.
I didn't notice that bit about Dell in the Guardian article. Who knew that Dell was doing contract work for the NSA.
I can actually see a guy with a GED getting this kind of job. Tech is weird that way.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2013 18:54:36
Scoopster on 06/10/2013 18:54:36
Snowden's rise through the world of IT isn't really a big surprise to me. Maybe it's because I have many friends who did the same thing without the traditional educational track - they just know their stuff, worked their way in through their contacts, gaining job experience and picked up certifications on their own or paid for by their employers along the way.
Comment by BobR on 06/10/2013 19:16:31
BobR on 06/10/2013 19:16:31
Hell - I would jump on one of those jobs in a second if I could make $200k/yr. They are not that easy to get, and I have an electronics degree and a 3 decades of experience..
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 19:22:40
For me it's not the rise thru the world of IT -- it's his rise thru the CIA that has me curious.
Raine on 06/10/2013 19:22:40
Quote by Scoopster:
Snowden's rise through the world of IT isn't really a big surprise to me. Maybe it's because I have many friends who did the same thing without the traditional educational track - they just know their stuff, worked their way in through their contacts, gaining job experience and picked up certifications on their own or paid for by their employers along the way.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 19:25:22
Raine on 06/10/2013 19:25:22
Glad that Randi is back! 
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 19:58:22
Yeah, pretty much the same thing here. I know some very bright guys (they are all guys) who don't have the degree, but they know their stuff and have the right certifications. One of them is a Linux geek who collects obsolete UNIX boxes as a hobby. He has I dunno how many flavors of UNIX at this point.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 19:58:22
Quote by Scoopster:
Snowden's rise through the world of IT isn't really a big surprise to me. Maybe it's because I have many friends who did the same thing without the traditional educational track - they just know their stuff, worked their way in through their contacts, gaining job experience and picked up certifications on their own or paid for by their employers along the way.
Yeah, pretty much the same thing here. I know some very bright guys (they are all guys) who don't have the degree, but they know their stuff and have the right certifications. One of them is a Linux geek who collects obsolete UNIX boxes as a hobby. He has I dunno how many flavors of UNIX at this point.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:05:54
He had the clearance from being a lowly guard already. The rest was easy. See the geek discussion below. I know a woman who worked at the CIA many years ago. Her job was a "walker". Basically she would show up in the lobby and walk you to your destination at the CIA HQ. She was able to get the job because her daddy was some sort of spook. He was cleared, so she was too.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:05:54
Quote by Raine:For me it's not the rise thru the world of IT -- it's his rise thru the CIA that has me curious.Quote by Scoopster:
Snowden's rise through the world of IT isn't really a big surprise to me. Maybe it's because I have many friends who did the same thing without the traditional educational track - they just know their stuff, worked their way in through their contacts, gaining job experience and picked up certifications on their own or paid for by their employers along the way.
He had the clearance from being a lowly guard already. The rest was easy. See the geek discussion below. I know a woman who worked at the CIA many years ago. Her job was a "walker". Basically she would show up in the lobby and walk you to your destination at the CIA HQ. She was able to get the job because her daddy was some sort of spook. He was cleared, so she was too.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:11:21
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:11:21
Mala, another thing about the APoA, it has fantastic battery life. I am currently at 60% charged and I've been on the battery for 8.5 hours
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 20:14:38
that's better then mine - have to charge daily
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 20:14:38
Quote by Mondobubba:
Mala, another thing about the APoA, it has fantastic battery life. I am currently at 60% charged and I've been on the battery for 8.5 hours
that's better then mine - have to charge daily
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 20:16:39
Fine, then.
He was just peachy to have gotten top secret clearance with a GED. I'm sure Snowden is totally legit, in that case. I read the geek talk -- and it still doesn't pass the smell test.
Raine on 06/10/2013 20:16:39
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:For me it's not the rise thru the world of IT -- it's his rise thru the CIA that has me curious.Quote by Scoopster:
Snowden's rise through the world of IT isn't really a big surprise to me. Maybe it's because I have many friends who did the same thing without the traditional educational track - they just know their stuff, worked their way in through their contacts, gaining job experience and picked up certifications on their own or paid for by their employers along the way.
He had the clearance from being a lowly guard already. The rest was easy. See the geek discussion below. I know a woman who worked at the CIA many years ago. Her job was a "walker". Basically she would show up in the lobby and walk you to your destination at the CIA HQ. She was able to get the job because her daddy was some sort of spook. He was cleared, so she was too.
He was just peachy to have gotten top secret clearance with a GED. I'm sure Snowden is totally legit, in that case. I read the geek talk -- and it still doesn't pass the smell test.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:23:15
Raine, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm just spit balling on the how. It still smells off, don't get me wrong. In the interview when he talks about being reditioned back to the US or the CIA hiring one of the Triads to take him out is just crazy talk. A Triad? Really? Has he been watching a few too many Hong Kong action pictures.?
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:23:15
Quote by Raine:Fine, then.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:For me it's not the rise thru the world of IT -- it's his rise thru the CIA that has me curious.Quote by Scoopster:
Snowden's rise through the world of IT isn't really a big surprise to me. Maybe it's because I have many friends who did the same thing without the traditional educational track - they just know their stuff, worked their way in through their contacts, gaining job experience and picked up certifications on their own or paid for by their employers along the way.
He had the clearance from being a lowly guard already. The rest was easy. See the geek discussion below. I know a woman who worked at the CIA many years ago. Her job was a "walker". Basically she would show up in the lobby and walk you to your destination at the CIA HQ. She was able to get the job because her daddy was some sort of spook. He was cleared, so she was too.
He was just peachy to have gotten top secret clearance with a GED. I'm sure Snowden is totally legit, in that case. I read the geek talk -- and it still doesn't pass the smell test.
Raine, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm just spit balling on the how. It still smells off, don't get me wrong. In the interview when he talks about being reditioned back to the US or the CIA hiring one of the Triads to take him out is just crazy talk. A Triad? Really? Has he been watching a few too many Hong Kong action pictures.?
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:43:01
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:43:01
Here is a really interesting article from the Atlantic.
There are about 5 MILLION people with some sort of security classification in US. Of them about 28% of them have top secret clearance; that is about 1.4 MILLION people. It seems to me that we are tossing around top secret like it still means something.
There are about 5 MILLION people with some sort of security classification in US. Of them about 28% of them have top secret clearance; that is about 1.4 MILLION people. It seems to me that we are tossing around top secret like it still means something.
Comment by BobR on 06/10/2013 20:49:35
I've worked in technology my entire career, and don't find it easy to get these kinds of jobs. The security clearance isn't easy to get either. Finally - getting a security clearance is one step - getting access to classified information is another entirely.
BobR on 06/10/2013 20:49:35
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Fine, then.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:For me it's not the rise thru the world of IT -- it's his rise thru the CIA that has me curious.Quote by Scoopster:
Snowden's rise through the world of IT isn't really a big surprise to me. Maybe it's because I have many friends who did the same thing without the traditional educational track - they just know their stuff, worked their way in through their contacts, gaining job experience and picked up certifications on their own or paid for by their employers along the way.
He had the clearance from being a lowly guard already. The rest was easy. See the geek discussion below. I know a woman who worked at the CIA many years ago. Her job was a "walker". Basically she would show up in the lobby and walk you to your destination at the CIA HQ. She was able to get the job because her daddy was some sort of spook. He was cleared, so she was too.
He was just peachy to have gotten top secret clearance with a GED. I'm sure Snowden is totally legit, in that case. I read the geek talk -- and it still doesn't pass the smell test.
Raine, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm just spit balling on the how. It still smells off, don't get me wrong. In the interview when he talks about being reditioned back to the US or the CIA hiring one of the Triads to take him out is just crazy talk. A Triad? Really? Has he been watching a few too many Hong Kong action pictures.?
I've worked in technology my entire career, and don't find it easy to get these kinds of jobs. The security clearance isn't easy to get either. Finally - getting a security clearance is one step - getting access to classified information is another entirely.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:54:37
Read the Atlantic article I just posted. There are a couple of interesting tweets embedded in them. There are more people total with security clearances then there are Federal employees total. What is wrong with that picture?
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 20:54:37
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Fine, then.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:For me it's not the rise thru the world of IT -- it's his rise thru the CIA that has me curious.Quote by Scoopster:
Snowden's rise through the world of IT isn't really a big surprise to me. Maybe it's because I have many friends who did the same thing without the traditional educational track - they just know their stuff, worked their way in through their contacts, gaining job experience and picked up certifications on their own or paid for by their employers along the way.
He had the clearance from being a lowly guard already. The rest was easy. See the geek discussion below. I know a woman who worked at the CIA many years ago. Her job was a "walker". Basically she would show up in the lobby and walk you to your destination at the CIA HQ. She was able to get the job because her daddy was some sort of spook. He was cleared, so she was too.
He was just peachy to have gotten top secret clearance with a GED. I'm sure Snowden is totally legit, in that case. I read the geek talk -- and it still doesn't pass the smell test.
Raine, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm just spit balling on the how. It still smells off, don't get me wrong. In the interview when he talks about being reditioned back to the US or the CIA hiring one of the Triads to take him out is just crazy talk. A Triad? Really? Has he been watching a few too many Hong Kong action pictures.?
I've worked in technology my entire career, and don't find it easy to get these kinds of jobs. The security clearance isn't easy to get either. Finally - getting a security clearance is one step - getting access to classified information is another entirely.
Read the Atlantic article I just posted. There are a couple of interesting tweets embedded in them. There are more people total with security clearances then there are Federal employees total. What is wrong with that picture?
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 20:57:29
You should know that there are different levels of sec clearance.
National Security clearances are one thing -- but for him to make the claim that, and I quote:
His claim comes across as bullshit. The NSA Compartmentalizes.
Something is seriously wrong here.
Raine on 06/10/2013 20:57:29
Quote by Mondobubba:
Raine, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm just spit balling on the how. It still smells off, don't get me wrong. In the interview when he talks about being reditioned back to the US or the CIA hiring one of the Triads to take him out is just crazy talk. A Triad? Really? Has he been watching a few too many Hong Kong action pictures.?
National Security clearances are one thing -- but for him to make the claim that, and I quote:
“I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge or even the President, if I had a personal e-mail,â€
His claim comes across as bullshit. The NSA Compartmentalizes.
Something is seriously wrong here.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 21:05:07
What have you think I've been talking about all day?
You are the one who has been telling me that his Sec Clearance is no big deal -- just normal -- and I am trying to put together a picture that something here is not right.
He went from NSA security guard to CIA to private contractor. All on a GED -- and I am supposed to believe that is normal?
A GED earning 200K a year is normal?
Raine on 06/10/2013 21:05:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
Read the Atlantic article I just posted. There are a couple of interesting tweets embedded in them. There are more people total with security clearances then there are Federal employees total. What is wrong with that picture?
You are the one who has been telling me that his Sec Clearance is no big deal -- just normal -- and I am trying to put together a picture that something here is not right.
He went from NSA security guard to CIA to private contractor. All on a GED -- and I am supposed to believe that is normal?
A GED earning 200K a year is normal?
Comment by BobR on 06/10/2013 21:11:06
WTH am I doing wrong?
BobR on 06/10/2013 21:11:06
Quote by Raine:What have you think I've been talking about all day?Quote by Mondobubba:
Read the Atlantic article I just posted. There are a couple of interesting tweets embedded in them. There are more people total with security clearances then there are Federal employees total. What is wrong with that picture?
You are the one who has been telling me that his Sec Clearance is no big deal -- just normal -- and I am trying to put together a picture that something here is not right.
He went from NSA security guard to CIA to private contractor. All on a GED -- and I am supposed to believe that is normal?
A GED earning 200K a year is normal?
WTH am I doing wrong?
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 21:11:17
^^THIS ^^.
Seriously -- this.
Raine on 06/10/2013 21:11:17
Quote by BobR:
I've worked in technology my entire career, and don't find it easy to get these kinds of jobs. The security clearance isn't easy to get either. Finally - getting a security clearance is one step - getting access to classified information is another entirely.
Seriously -- this.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 21:13:47
My point is the government is classifying way too much. Of the stuff that is classified, too much of that is classified as top secret. A friend of mine had to get a secret clearance to be the sys admin at the base hospital the navel air station. This is how the Navy implements HIPPA. Yes, you read that right.
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 21:13:47
Quote by Raine:What have you think I've been talking about all day?Quote by Mondobubba:
Read the Atlantic article I just posted. There are a couple of interesting tweets embedded in them. There are more people total with security clearances then there are Federal employees total. What is wrong with that picture?
You are the one who has been telling me that his Sec Clearance is no big deal -- just normal -- and I am trying to put together a picture that something here is not right.
He went from NSA security guard to CIA to private contractor. All on a GED -- and I am supposed to believe that is normal?
A GED earning 200K a year is normal?
My point is the government is classifying way too much. Of the stuff that is classified, too much of that is classified as top secret. A friend of mine had to get a secret clearance to be the sys admin at the base hospital the navel air station. This is how the Navy implements HIPPA. Yes, you read that right.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 21:15:57
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 21:15:57
Hell I wouldn't be surprised to find out my gay sugardaddy has a clearance of some kind for his job at the Corps of Engineers.
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2013 21:21:50
Raine on 06/10/2013 21:21:50
Splitting hair question:
is a GED the same as a high school diploma graduate?
Here is my deal -- I am not willing to take what he is saying on face value -- especially considering he went to Hong Kong. Why am I supposed to believe the government is evil and he is innocent and a hero?
We live in interesting times.
is a GED the same as a high school diploma graduate?
QUALIFICATIONS
To become part of the Army's Green Berets, you need to be mentally and physically tough, endure difficult training and face all challenges head-on. In addition to that, you must:
Be a male, age 20-30 (Special Forces positions are not open to women)
Be a U.S. citizen
Be a high school diploma graduate
Achieve a General Technical score of 107 or higher and a combat operation score of 98 on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery.
Qualify for a secret security clearance.
Qualify and volunteer for Airborne training
Must take and pass the Army Physical Fitness Assessment (PFA)
Must successfully complete the Pre-Basic Task list
Must have 20/20 or corrected to 20/20 in both near and distant vision in both eyes
One year of college is preferred, but it is not a mandatory for enlistment
Here is my deal -- I am not willing to take what he is saying on face value -- especially considering he went to Hong Kong. Why am I supposed to believe the government is evil and he is innocent and a hero?
We live in interesting times.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 21:28:31
That made some of my neck hairs stand up. Yes they relaxed some of the enlistment requirements post Iraq invasion, but for the Special Forces?
Mondobubba on 06/10/2013 21:28:31
Quote by Raine:
Splitting hair question:
is a GED the same as a high school diploma graduate?QUALIFICATIONS
To become part of the Army's Green Berets, you need to be mentally and physically tough, endure difficult training and face all challenges head-on. In addition to that, you must:
Be a male, age 20-30 (Special Forces positions are not open to women)
Be a U.S. citizen
Be a high school diploma graduate
Achieve a General Technical score of 107 or higher and a combat operation score of 98 on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery.
Qualify for a secret security clearance.
Qualify and volunteer for Airborne training
Must take and pass the Army Physical Fitness Assessment (PFA)
Must successfully complete the Pre-Basic Task list
Must have 20/20 or corrected to 20/20 in both near and distant vision in both eyes
One year of college is preferred, but it is not a mandatory for enlistment
Here is my deal -- I am not willing to take what he is saying on face value -- especially considering he went to Hong Kong. Why am I supposed to believe the government is evil and he is innocent and a hero?
We live in interesting times.
That made some of my neck hairs stand up. Yes they relaxed some of the enlistment requirements post Iraq invasion, but for the Special Forces?
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2013 22:52:04
could it be another instance of failing up on this guys part?
wickedpam on 06/10/2013 22:52:04
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:What have you think I've been talking about all day?Quote by Mondobubba:
Read the Atlantic article I just posted. There are a couple of interesting tweets embedded in them. There are more people total with security clearances then there are Federal employees total. What is wrong with that picture?
You are the one who has been telling me that his Sec Clearance is no big deal -- just normal -- and I am trying to put together a picture that something here is not right.
He went from NSA security guard to CIA to private contractor. All on a GED -- and I am supposed to believe that is normal?
A GED earning 200K a year is normal?
WTH am I doing wrong?
could it be another instance of failing up on this guys part?