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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 06/11/2013 10:19:59
Good Morning.
Today is our 4,265th day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 2,233
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,095
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
$ 1, 446, 795, 250, 000 .00
I've got a mixed bag today. We'll start with the economy; it seems like there's a wee bit of good news on the veteran's hiring front - for perhaps the first time since I've been tracking this, the "post 9-11" vet unemployment rate is actually lower than the national unemployment rate. While neither number is that great, perhaps this is a sign that we're slowly waking up and are giving our returning soldiers their due.
Speaking of the economy, here's something curious. Remember when the United States used to have a shoe industry? For some of us, that's still within living memory. A city near me (Lynn, MA) was once the shoe capitol of the United States, but that's far in the past now. The military was once the largest purchaser of domestic-made footwear, but over time that's eroded. Like everything else, Uncle Sam has outsourced their combat boots. But a new proposal from the 2 senators from Maine would force those that receive "vouchers" for footwear to purchase only American-made items. It's maybe Pork-y, as New Balance of Maine would likely be the sole beneficiary, but nevertheless it might help a little.
But then again, baby steps in the right direction aren't of much help when the train is rolling backwards down the tracks anyway. Despite some high-profile items, much of the sequester is rolling along almost completely unnoticed by the masses. An awful lot of folks have been furloughed, and the Navy at least, is discovering that maybe some of those guys are actually important. Believe it or not, there's been some outreach to try to get some of them to re-enlist, but like everything else, there's a catch. This would be for a short-term contract, and for many hundreds of sailors that are within a few years of their 20 needed for full benefits, this isn't sitting well.
Finally this morning...a bonus story. This has nothing to do with veterans, except perhaps fleetingly, but being the WWII aviation geek, I can't resist. The hull of perhaps the only remaining intact Do-17 has been recovered from the Channel and is headed for the restorer's shop. (Surely to static display, but imagine if she could ever take to the sky!)
Today is our 4,265th day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 2,233
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,095
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
I've got a mixed bag today. We'll start with the economy; it seems like there's a wee bit of good news on the veteran's hiring front - for perhaps the first time since I've been tracking this, the "post 9-11" vet unemployment rate is actually lower than the national unemployment rate. While neither number is that great, perhaps this is a sign that we're slowly waking up and are giving our returning soldiers their due.
For Post-9/11 veterans, the job market appears to be improving as the unemployment rate for May fell to 7.3 percent, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday.
One year ago, the unemployment rate for the Iraq and Afghanistan generation of veterans was 12.3 percent. In April, the jobless rate for Post-9/11 veterans was 7.5 percent.
The national unemployment rate for May was 7.6 percent, unchanged from April, as the economy grew about 175,000 jobs, according to the employment report. There are about 11.8 million people who are unemployed and about 155.7 million with jobs, according to the report.
Overall, veterans continue to do better than non-veterans, although the 6.6 percent jobless rate for veterans of all generations is higher than the 6.2 percent rate reported in April.
The May jobless rate for male veterans was 6.7 percent for men and 6 percent for women. he jobless rate for Post-9/11 male veterans was 7.8 percent while the rate for women was 4.9 percent. Small sample sizes for women in the survey could be responsible for the lower rate.
Last week, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that unemployment rates were lower in 276 of 372 metropolitan areas in April, a sign of widespread improvement. Unemployment rates were higher in 78 areas and unchanged in 18, the report say. The city with the highest unemployment rate was Yuma, Ariz., with 30.3 percent.
Speaking of the economy, here's something curious. Remember when the United States used to have a shoe industry? For some of us, that's still within living memory. A city near me (Lynn, MA) was once the shoe capitol of the United States, but that's far in the past now. The military was once the largest purchaser of domestic-made footwear, but over time that's eroded. Like everything else, Uncle Sam has outsourced their combat boots. But a new proposal from the 2 senators from Maine would force those that receive "vouchers" for footwear to purchase only American-made items. It's maybe Pork-y, as New Balance of Maine would likely be the sole beneficiary, but nevertheless it might help a little.
Athletic shoe vouchers for Army, Navy and Air Force recruits could be used to purchase only American-made footwear under a bill introduced Thursday by two senators from Maine.
They argue it would not only help domestic manufacturers such as New Balance Athletic Shoe Inc., a Boston-based company with offices and plants in Maine, but it might also save money.
The footwear battle, which has gone on for years, involves a decision made in 2002 to provide vouchers to new service members to purchase athletic shoes rather than provide military-issued shoes. Comfort, safety and varying tastes were cited as reasons for the change.
About $15 million is spent each year on the vouchers.
Sens. Susan Collins, a Republican, and Angus King Jr., an Independent, introduced S 1051, which would require the military to either directly buy domestic shoes or restrict the vouchers to be good only for U.S.-made shoes — complying with a 1941 law, the Berry Act, which requires preference be given to American manufacturers for clothing on any contract valued at $150,000 or more.
The bill includes one exception: Foreign-made shoes could be purchased for valid medical reasons.
In a statement included in the Congressional Record as she introduced the bill, Collins said the Defense Department is spending 100 times the minimum contract value required to buy from U.S. producers. “It is time for DoD to treat athletic footwear like every other uniform item, including boots, and buy them from American manufacturers,” she said.
Military officials have defended letting new service members pick their own shoes for comfort and safety, but Collins said the military buys domestically made boots and other uniform shoes “with no adverse effect upon recruits.”
Collins and King will try to get their restriction added to the 2014 defense authorization bill when the Senate Armed Services Committee begins writing that measure in mid-June. King is a member of the committee.
But then again, baby steps in the right direction aren't of much help when the train is rolling backwards down the tracks anyway. Despite some high-profile items, much of the sequester is rolling along almost completely unnoticed by the masses. An awful lot of folks have been furloughed, and the Navy at least, is discovering that maybe some of those guys are actually important. Believe it or not, there's been some outreach to try to get some of them to re-enlist, but like everything else, there's a catch. This would be for a short-term contract, and for many hundreds of sailors that are within a few years of their 20 needed for full benefits, this isn't sitting well.
YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — One month after being cast out of the Navy because his career field was overmanned, the Recruit Training Command called Robert Van back with a plea — come back, we don’t have enough sailors like you.
But there was a catch — Van’s contract would only be guaranteed for two years, which would leave him looking for another job about three years short of his 20-year retirement eligibility.
Van was one of nearly 3,000 sailors laid off, or in Navy parlance, “involuntarily separated,” as a result of the former Enlisted Retention Board’s mandate to thin the ranks in 31 overmanned job fields by September 2012.
Yet, less than a year later, the Navy found itself thousands of sailors below its congressionally mandated strength, so it boosted recruiting by 6,000 sailors per year and shelled out incentive pay to make up in an attempt to make up for the shortage, especially in undermanned sea rates.
The seemingly contradictory actions left former sailors — and at least one congressman — to question whether the service made a mistake in cutting so many experienced sailors in the first place.
Perhaps in an effort to right the ship, so to speak, the Navy is now offering some sailors a chance to put the uniform back on.
What it isn’t doing, however, is offering sailors like Van — who by service evaluation standards was among the best at what he did — a chance to come back on a permanent basis.
Finally this morning...a bonus story. This has nothing to do with veterans, except perhaps fleetingly, but being the WWII aviation geek, I can't resist. The hull of perhaps the only remaining intact Do-17 has been recovered from the Channel and is headed for the restorer's shop. (Surely to static display, but imagine if she could ever take to the sky!)
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 12:47:49
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 12:47:49
Morning.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 12:49:19
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 12:49:19
:plays masterful air guitar to "All Along the Watchtower": Seriously you have never seen anything this amazing. 
Comment by 
Scoopster on 06/11/2013 12:54:58
Scoopster on 06/11/2013 12:54:58
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 12:58:04
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 12:58:04
Comment by 
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 13:00:55
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 13:00:55
Morning 
Comment by Scoopster on 06/11/2013 13:04:30
Yeah just a tad!
Last time we had this much rain the local major river flooded badly & almost every route south of Providence was blocked. They're saying it might get close to that level again later today.
Scoopster on 06/11/2013 13:04:30
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
Well.. my ride to work was interesting today!
Spot o' rain, eh?
Yeah just a tad!
Last time we had this much rain the local major river flooded badly & almost every route south of Providence was blocked. They're saying it might get close to that level again later today.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 13:10:01
That sounds like...fun.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 13:10:01
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
Well.. my ride to work was interesting today!
Spot o' rain, eh?
Yeah just a tad!
Last time we had this much rain the local major river flooded badly & almost every route south of Providence was blocked. They're saying it might get close to that level again later today.
That sounds like...fun.
Comment by 
Raine on 06/11/2013 13:15:00
Raine on 06/11/2013 13:15:00
good morning! 
Comment by 
TriSec on 06/11/2013 13:17:46
TriSec on 06/11/2013 13:17:46
TriSec is Paul Revere!
Last night, there was an "alarm", so I found the fastest horse in town and headed for Lexington to warn my fellow Patriots....
No, that's not right.
Paul is known for his "midnight ride", but it's less well known that Mr. Revere cultivated a vast network of contacts throughout the Patriot community. It was important that he rode, but it was even more important that he knew WHO to alert and where they were.
I was at city council last night, and there was some interesting sausage-making going on. During the meeting, I managed to re-connect to two of my compatriots from when I ran 4 years ago, both of them on the ballot again this year. I made a new connection to a gentleman from the Unitarian Church that was there to speak on an issue, and I realized that I know the Sargeant-at-arms on the outside - we've been doing the 'Hey, you look familiar" routine for a few months now.
This is all groundwork and networking for 2015...
Last night, there was an "alarm", so I found the fastest horse in town and headed for Lexington to warn my fellow Patriots....
No, that's not right.
Paul is known for his "midnight ride", but it's less well known that Mr. Revere cultivated a vast network of contacts throughout the Patriot community. It was important that he rode, but it was even more important that he knew WHO to alert and where they were.
I was at city council last night, and there was some interesting sausage-making going on. During the meeting, I managed to re-connect to two of my compatriots from when I ran 4 years ago, both of them on the ballot again this year. I made a new connection to a gentleman from the Unitarian Church that was there to speak on an issue, and I realized that I know the Sargeant-at-arms on the outside - we've been doing the 'Hey, you look familiar" routine for a few months now.
This is all groundwork and networking for 2015...
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 13:28:48
Raine on 06/11/2013 13:28:48
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 13:48:26
and -- her website is now unavailable -- that was some fascinating stuff.
Raine on 06/11/2013 13:48:26
Quote by Raine:
Wow, Eric Snowden is really a douchebag for what he did to his Girlfriend
Comment by 
BobR on 06/11/2013 13:49:33
I suspect he took her to Hong Kong to scope out his future getaway locations.
BobR on 06/11/2013 13:49:33
Quote by Raine:
Wow, Eric Snowden is really a douchebag for what he did to his Girlfriend
I suspect he took her to Hong Kong to scope out his future getaway locations.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 13:52:38
He traveled in April to the mainland -- I was reading stuff from last year -- they both traveled all around the world. I hope her website comes back online, but I doubt it.
What the Mail article is saying was meshing up with what I was reading.
Raine on 06/11/2013 13:52:38
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Wow, Eric Snowden is really a douchebag for what he did to his Girlfriend
I suspect he took her to Hong Kong to scope out his future getaway locations.
What the Mail article is saying was meshing up with what I was reading.
Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2013 14:04:18
TriSec on 06/11/2013 14:04:18
There is testing going on of the kind that involves sniffs.
I'm afraid this story grows increasingly rank.
I'm afraid this story grows increasingly rank.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 14:06:31
Raine on 06/11/2013 14:06:31
this story is really getting curious. Snowden worked at BAH for three months -- by his own statement. he left May 1.
This is also interesting:
The real question is what did Greenwld know... he said he was contacted in February by Snowden --
So how did this all begin?
I was originally contacted in January, anonymously.
By Edward Snowden?
Well, I didn’t know who it was.
What was the format?
Via email. It said, I want to get your encryption key and let’s get on a secure channel.
And he didn’t say what it was about?
He just said — that was the first, and the second was, I have some information in the intelligence community, and it won’t be a waste of your time.
This is also interesting:
So how did it then become two separate stories in the Washington Post and the Guardian?
The source also has a relationship with Glenn. Which I can’t speak to.
Since he contacted you before he started working at Booz Allen, the implication people were drawing was that he went to Booz Allen with the express intention of leaking this.
That’s completely absurd. I had no dialogue about what the information was — there were claims, that’s all I received.
The real question is what did Greenwld know... he said he was contacted in February by Snowden --
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:08:13
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:08:13
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:13:27
That is a pretty dick cheese move. But when you are in danger of rendition or assassination by a Hong Kong Triad, you don't want to put the woman you love in danger.
I've slept on this issue and I've come to the conclusion that Snowden a couple bricks shy.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:13:27
Quote by Raine:
Wow, Eric Snowden is really a douchebag for what he did to his Girlfriend
That is a pretty dick cheese move. But when you are in danger of rendition or assassination by a Hong Kong Triad, you don't want to put the woman you love in danger.
I've slept on this issue and I've come to the conclusion that Snowden a couple bricks shy.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:16:25
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:16:25
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 14:17:38
Raine on 06/11/2013 14:17:38
Booz Allen Statement on Reports of Leaked Information
June 11, 2013
(Updated Information Underlined)
Booz Allen can confirm that Edward Snowden, 29, was an employee of our firm for less than 3 months, assigned to a team in Hawaii. Snowden, who had a salary at the rate of $122,000, was terminated June 10, 2013 for violations of the firm’s code of ethics and firm policy. News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm. We will work closely with our clients and authorities in their investigation of this matter.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 14:20:53
and my company will be very happy to sell that water to those thirsty hipsters with extra cash who want their water to be as douchy as their choice in beer
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 14:20:53
and my company will be very happy to sell that water to those thirsty hipsters with extra cash who want their water to be as douchy as their choice in beer
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 14:26:33
to contact a report prior to getting a job tells me he knew before had what information he was going to be in contact with - how did he know, who told him and why
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 14:26:33
Quote by Raine:
this story is really getting curious. Snowden worked at BAH for three months -- by his own statement. he left May 1.So how did this all begin?
I was originally contacted in January, anonymously.
By Edward Snowden?
Well, I didn’t know who it was.
What was the format?
Via email. It said, I want to get your encryption key and let’s get on a secure channel.
And he didn’t say what it was about?
He just said — that was the first, and the second was, I have some information in the intelligence community, and it won’t be a waste of your time.
This is also interesting:So how did it then become two separate stories in the Washington Post and the Guardian?
The source also has a relationship with Glenn. Which I can’t speak to.Since he contacted you before he started working at Booz Allen, the implication people were drawing was that he went to Booz Allen with the express intention of leaking this.
That’s completely absurd. I had no dialogue about what the information was — there were claims, that’s all I received.
The real question is what did Greenwld know... he said he was contacted in February by Snowden --
to contact a report prior to getting a job tells me he knew before had what information he was going to be in contact with - how did he know, who told him and why
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:42:15
That is rather bland.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:42:15
Quote by Raine:Booz Allen Statement on Reports of Leaked Information
June 11, 2013
(Updated Information Underlined)
Booz Allen can confirm that Edward Snowden, 29, was an employee of our firm for less than 3 months, assigned to a team in Hawaii. Snowden, who had a salary at the rate of $122,000, was terminated June 10, 2013 for violations of the firm’s code of ethics and firm policy. News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm. We will work closely with our clients and authorities in their investigation of this matter.
That is rather bland.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 14:48:13
Which is essentially bottled water... oh the irony.
Raine on 06/11/2013 14:48:13
Quote by wickedpam:
and my company will be very happy to sell that water to those thirsty hipsters with extra cash who want their water to be as douchy as their choice in beer
Which is essentially bottled water... oh the irony.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 14:51:16
It's CYA. Snowden was sill employed -- as thus he may have still had access to information. Also of interet is his salary. Snowden himself said he earned 200K at BAH.
Raine on 06/11/2013 14:51:16
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Booz Allen Statement on Reports of Leaked Information
June 11, 2013
(Updated Information Underlined)
Booz Allen can confirm that Edward Snowden, 29, was an employee of our firm for less than 3 months, assigned to a team in Hawaii. Snowden, who had a salary at the rate of $122,000, was terminated June 10, 2013 for violations of the firm’s code of ethics and firm policy. News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm. We will work closely with our clients and authorities in their investigation of this matter.
That is rather bland.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 14:51:24
we just started selling Perrier, San Pellegrino and Acqua Panna - I can't tell the difference in any of them
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 14:51:24
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
and my company will be very happy to sell that water to those thirsty hipsters with extra cash who want their water to be as douchy as their choice in beer
we just started selling Perrier, San Pellegrino and Acqua Panna - I can't tell the difference in any of them
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 14:52:50
what contracts get paid is obscene - I will never forget what my mom told me how salary's work when she worked for one, total craziness!
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 14:52:50
Quote by Raine:It's CYA. Snowden was sill employed -- as thus he may have still had access to information. Also of interet is his salary. Snowden himself said he earned 200K at BAH.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Booz Allen Statement on Reports of Leaked Information
June 11, 2013
(Updated Information Underlined)
Booz Allen can confirm that Edward Snowden, 29, was an employee of our firm for less than 3 months, assigned to a team in Hawaii. Snowden, who had a salary at the rate of $122,000, was terminated June 10, 2013 for violations of the firm’s code of ethics and firm policy. News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm. We will work closely with our clients and authorities in their investigation of this matter.
That is rather bland.
what contracts get paid is obscene - I will never forget what my mom told me how salary's work when she worked for one, total craziness!
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:52:51
I noticed the difference in salary.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:52:51
Quote by Raine:It's CYA. Snowden was sill employed -- as thus he may have still had access to information. Also of interet is his salary. Snowden himself said he earned 200K at BAH.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Booz Allen Statement on Reports of Leaked Information
June 11, 2013
(Updated Information Underlined)
Booz Allen can confirm that Edward Snowden, 29, was an employee of our firm for less than 3 months, assigned to a team in Hawaii. Snowden, who had a salary at the rate of $122,000, was terminated June 10, 2013 for violations of the firm’s code of ethics and firm policy. News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm. We will work closely with our clients and authorities in their investigation of this matter.
That is rather bland.
I noticed the difference in salary.
Comment by BobR on 06/11/2013 14:52:57
"Resource"? They should have named it "Brawndo", because - really - do you want to drink water like what comes from the toilet?
BobR on 06/11/2013 14:52:57
"Resource"? They should have named it "Brawndo", because - really - do you want to drink water like what comes from the toilet?
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:53:46
Well played.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:53:46
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
and my company will be very happy to sell that water to those thirsty hipsters with extra cash who want their water to be as douchy as their choice in beer
Well played.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:55:53
Brawndo is trademarked by 20th Century Fox.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 14:55:53
Quote by BobR:
"Resource"? They should have named it "Brawndo", because - really - do you want to drink water like what comes from the toilet?
Brawndo is trademarked by 20th Century Fox.
Comment by BobR on 06/11/2013 15:06:18
BobR on 06/11/2013 15:06:18
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:
"Resource"? They should have named it "Brawndo", because - really - do you want to drink water like what comes from the toilet?
Brawndo is trademarked by 20th Century Fox.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:10:24
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:10:24
I guess all the spoof songs got pulled for copyright
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 15:10:55
Raine on 06/11/2013 15:10:55
You know, Jim keeps mentioning Daniel Ellsberg -- comparing him to Snowden.
He's ignoring the fact that Ellsberg tried to reach out to Senate and government officials. Crazy Uncle Senator Mike Gravel was the one to enter it into the Senate Records on the senate floor.
Snowden didn't even try.
He's ignoring the fact that Ellsberg tried to reach out to Senate and government officials. Crazy Uncle Senator Mike Gravel was the one to enter it into the Senate Records on the senate floor.
Snowden didn't even try.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 15:11:00
I'm not sure if Resource got electrolytes.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 15:11:00
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:
"Resource"? They should have named it "Brawndo", because - really - do you want to drink water like what comes from the toilet?
Brawndo is trademarked by 20th Century Fox.
I'm not sure if Resource got electrolytes.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 15:11:30
Well that's a bit of BS considering they are all pretty much karaoke trax.
Raine on 06/11/2013 15:11:30
Quote by wickedpam:
I guess all the spoof songs got pulled for copyright
Well that's a bit of BS considering they are all pretty much karaoke trax.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:17:42
that's just a guess based on what Jackie and Jim were hinting at with RMM's originals. I can't think Katrina and the Waves would pull their song from the show.
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:17:42
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I guess all the spoof songs got pulled for copyright
Well that's a bit of BS considering they are all pretty much karaoke trax.
that's just a guess based on what Jackie and Jim were hinting at with RMM's originals. I can't think Katrina and the Waves would pull their song from the show.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:18:52
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:18:52
and Steph just proved me wrong 
Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2013 15:21:08
TriSec on 06/11/2013 15:21:08
Don't underestimate just how giant dicks the record companies can be.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 15:27:55
You don't want to mess with Big Vinyl! They have hordes of hell hound like lawyers who want nothing more than to make you into a metaphorical grease spot.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 15:27:55
Quote by TriSec:
Don't underestimate just how giant dicks the record companies can be.
You don't want to mess with Big Vinyl! They have hordes of hell hound like lawyers who want nothing more than to make you into a metaphorical grease spot.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 15:31:25
I have a feeling it's a bumper song that went too long.
Raine on 06/11/2013 15:31:25
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I guess all the spoof songs got pulled for copyright
Well that's a bit of BS considering they are all pretty much karaoke trax.
that's just a guess based on what Jackie and Jim were hinting at with RMM's originals. I can't think Katrina and the Waves would pull their song from the show.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:35:58
that would be also logical
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:35:58
Quote by Raine:I have a feeling it's a bumper song that went too long.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I guess all the spoof songs got pulled for copyright
Well that's a bit of BS considering they are all pretty much karaoke trax.
that's just a guess based on what Jackie and Jim were hinting at with RMM's originals. I can't think Katrina and the Waves would pull their song from the show.
that would be also logical
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 15:37:21
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 15:37:21
I'm calling shenanigans on Snowden. He is full of shite.
Doubtful. Raine you rightly mentioned compartmentalization. Nobody would have system rights that would grant him this kind of access.
Snowden, who said he leaked top-secret documents to expose abuse and not to cause damage to the United States, told the Guardian that he had “full access to the rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all around the world, the locations of every station we have, what their missions are and so forth.â€
Doubtful. Raine you rightly mentioned compartmentalization. Nobody would have system rights that would grant him this kind of access.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 15:52:12
I just don't believe this guy.
Anyone recall what the leaked documents are? I'm not being a smartass here.
Raine on 06/11/2013 15:52:12
Quote by Mondobubba:
I'm calling shenanigans on Snowden. He is full of shite.Snowden, who said he leaked top-secret documents to expose abuse and not to cause damage to the United States, told the Guardian that he had “full access to the rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all around the world, the locations of every station we have, what their missions are and so forth.â€
Doubtful. Raine you rightly mentioned compartmentalization. Nobody would have system rights that would grant him this kind of access.
Administration officials said Monday that they are working to confirm that Snowden leaked the documents and build a case against him without relying on his admissions in his video interview with the Guardian.
Anyone recall what the leaked documents are? I'm not being a smartass here.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 15:55:36
I actually mentioned this to Bobber this morning -- what if this dude is a spy gone rogue? That isn't tinfoil, this is a real ponderance.
Raine on 06/11/2013 15:55:36
Joel Brenner, a former NSA inspector general, said any investigation needs to focus on how Snowden “had access to such a startling range of information.â€
“The spy you want in an organization may not be the executive assistant to the secretary of state; it may be the guy in the bowels of the IT department because he has system-administrator privileges and because that person is also in a position to insert malware into your system to facilitate remote access,†Brenner said.
Further information about Snowden’s personal and professional life was scant Monday.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:58:46
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 15:58:46
No, Esmeralda on Bewitched was played by Alice Ghostly. Serena was Samantha's twin
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:02:09
that would explain why he ran to China instead straight to Iceland
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:02:09
Quote by Raine:I actually mentioned this to Bobber this morning -- what if this dude is a spy gone rogue? That isn't tinfoil, this is a real ponderance.Joel Brenner, a former NSA inspector general, said any investigation needs to focus on how Snowden “had access to such a startling range of information.â€
“The spy you want in an organization may not be the executive assistant to the secretary of state; it may be the guy in the bowels of the IT department because he has system-administrator privileges and because that person is also in a position to insert malware into your system to facilitate remote access,†Brenner said.
Further information about Snowden’s personal and professional life was scant Monday.
that would explain why he ran to China instead straight to Iceland
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 16:02:40
THANK YOU! I was just getting ready to say something about this. THEY ALL FAILED.
Raine on 06/11/2013 16:02:40
Quote by wickedpam:
No, Esmeralda on Bewitched was played by Alice Ghostly. Serena was Samantha's twin
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:02:45
Some Power Point slides. He gave them to the WaPo and the Guardian.
From der WaPo site.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:02:45
Quote by Raine:I just don't believe this guy.Quote by Mondobubba:
I'm calling shenanigans on Snowden. He is full of shite.Snowden, who said he leaked top-secret documents to expose abuse and not to cause damage to the United States, told the Guardian that he had “full access to the rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all around the world, the locations of every station we have, what their missions are and so forth.â€
Doubtful. Raine you rightly mentioned compartmentalization. Nobody would have system rights that would grant him this kind of access.Administration officials said Monday that they are working to confirm that Snowden leaked the documents and build a case against him without relying on his admissions in his video interview with the Guardian.
Anyone recall what the leaked documents are? I'm not being a smartass here.
Some Power Point slides. He gave them to the WaPo and the Guardian.
From der WaPo site.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:03:32
That thought crossed my mind as well.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:03:32
Quote by Raine:I actually mentioned this to Bobber this morning -- what if this dude is a spy gone rogue? That isn't tinfoil, this is a real ponderance.Joel Brenner, a former NSA inspector general, said any investigation needs to focus on how Snowden “had access to such a startling range of information.â€
“The spy you want in an organization may not be the executive assistant to the secretary of state; it may be the guy in the bowels of the IT department because he has system-administrator privileges and because that person is also in a position to insert malware into your system to facilitate remote access,†Brenner said.
Further information about Snowden’s personal and professional life was scant Monday.
That thought crossed my mind as well.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 16:04:08
Raine on 06/11/2013 16:04:08
From the initial guardian leak article: There HAS to be more than a powerpoint presentation.
The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation – classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies – which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the program. The document claims "collection directly from the servers" of major US service providers.
Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 16:05:50
Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 16:05:50
Hello, bloggers!!
TriSec, it is good to see veterans getting hired more.
As for Snowden, I think that the issues being raised by this story are important. I have questions on the collection of meta data, as I did not like what I saw in the previous presidency --- and how Snowden was able to move from a security guard to working with top secret information. (Also,I am not happy with his shabby treatment of his girlfriend.)
Like so many issues these days, I find myself divided. To be blunt, there is so much about this story that we don't know yet that I have to wonder what will be revealed next.
TriSec, it is good to see veterans getting hired more.
As for Snowden, I think that the issues being raised by this story are important. I have questions on the collection of meta data, as I did not like what I saw in the previous presidency --- and how Snowden was able to move from a security guard to working with top secret information. (Also,I am not happy with his shabby treatment of his girlfriend.)
Like so many issues these days, I find myself divided. To be blunt, there is so much about this story that we don't know yet that I have to wonder what will be revealed next.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 16:07:22
Raine on 06/11/2013 16:07:22
See what I mean, Mondo?
Now last night Lawrence interviewed Greenwald. let me find the trancript. something VERY interesting was said.
Now last night Lawrence interviewed Greenwald. let me find the trancript. something VERY interesting was said.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:08:13
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:08:13
Is Ed still on vaca? wasn't he just live for about 2 hours yesterday? how may times are they going to play that Barrymore theatre stuff
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 16:11:25
That was from about two years ago, no?
Raine on 06/11/2013 16:11:25
Quote by wickedpam:
Is Ed still on vaca? wasn't he just live for about 2 hours yesterday? how may times are they going to play that Barrymore theatre stuff
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 16:12:11
Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 16:12:11
Okay, this is weird. Who is on at this time besides Schultz in progressive talk?
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:12:54
about 4 months ago I think - right after they announced he was going to weekends on MSNBC
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:12:54
Quote by Raine:That was from about two years ago, no?Quote by wickedpam:
Is Ed still on vaca? wasn't he just live for about 2 hours yesterday? how may times are they going to play that Barrymore theatre stuff
about 4 months ago I think - right after they announced he was going to weekends on MSNBC
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:13:55
no one that I know of - I check his website, they posted that it should be a live show. Wonder if its technical difficulties.
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:13:55
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Okay, this is weird. Who is on at this time besides Schultz in progressive talk?
no one that I know of - I check his website, they posted that it should be a live show. Wonder if its technical difficulties.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:14:42
I do wonder if there's more. But if not, the feds are getting their undies in a bunch over a single document. One that is like all Power Point documents tedious and not worth paying attention to.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:14:42
Quote by Raine:
From the initial guardian leak article:There HAS to be more than a powerpoint presentation.The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation – classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies – which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the program. The document claims "collection directly from the servers" of major US service providers.
Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program.
I do wonder if there's more. But if not, the feds are getting their undies in a bunch over a single document. One that is like all Power Point documents tedious and not worth paying attention to.
Comment by 
livingonli on 06/11/2013 16:14:49
livingonli on 06/11/2013 16:14:49
Good day, folks. There's no other progressive talk on radio besides Schultz but I do believe Sam Seder is streaming his show right now.
Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2013 16:18:22
TriSec on 06/11/2013 16:18:22
And in baseball news, another 14-inning marathon last night at the Trop, with an almost-brawl.
Honestly, when was the last time the Sox-Yanks had a major dustup? Historic rivals, yes...but both teams are far too professional for that sort of thing.
Seems like every time we play Tampa Bay, *something* happens.
Honestly, when was the last time the Sox-Yanks had a major dustup? Historic rivals, yes...but both teams are far too professional for that sort of thing.
Seems like every time we play Tampa Bay, *something* happens.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:21:43
I just switched to some music for a couple hours. Realized how out of touch with the top 40 I was when I was looking for something to add to my itunes last night. It'll do me good to take a break from politics.......
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Randi on yet?
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:21:43
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. There's no other progressive talk on radio besides Schultz but I do believe Sam Seder is streaming his show right now.
I just switched to some music for a couple hours. Realized how out of touch with the top 40 I was when I was looking for something to add to my itunes last night. It'll do me good to take a break from politics.......
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Randi on yet?
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 16:25:52
When I need a good music fix I listen to WDST in Woodstock.
Raine on 06/11/2013 16:25:52
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. There's no other progressive talk on radio besides Schultz but I do believe Sam Seder is streaming his show right now.
I just switched to some music for a couple hours. Realized how out of touch with the top 40 I was when I was looking for something to add to my itunes last night. It'll do me good to take a break from politics.......
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Randi on yet?
When I need a good music fix I listen to WDST in Woodstock.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:29:21
if he doesn't serve some time for his actions, I don't see this ending peacefully
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:29:21
Quote by Mondobubba:
Meanwhile, in Sanford, Florida.
if he doesn't serve some time for his actions, I don't see this ending peacefully
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:31:38
Nope, neither do I.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:31:38
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Meanwhile, in Sanford, Florida.
if he doesn't serve some time for his actions, I don't see this ending peacefully
Nope, neither do I.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:31:56
its not on iheartradio
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:31:56
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. There's no other progressive talk on radio besides Schultz but I do believe Sam Seder is streaming his show right now.
I just switched to some music for a couple hours. Realized how out of touch with the top 40 I was when I was looking for something to add to my itunes last night. It'll do me good to take a break from politics.......
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When I need a good music fix I listen to WDST in Woodstock.
its not on iheartradio
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:33:13
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:33:13
awesome DC101 is 
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:35:36
Okay, Yoda.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:35:36
Quote by wickedpam:
awesome DC101 is
Okay, Yoda.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:36:56
no, I meant - Awesome, DC101 is (on iheartradio) XD
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:36:56
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
awesome DC101 is
Okay, Yoda.
no, I meant - Awesome, DC101 is (on iheartradio) XD
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:38:26
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:38:26
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:39:24
Now you are dissing Master Yoda! Harumph!
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 16:39:24
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
awesome DC101 is
Okay, Yoda.
no, I meant - Awesome, DC101 is (on iheartradio) XD
Now you are dissing Master Yoda! Harumph!
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:44:52
I prefer my Star's to Trek than War.
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 16:44:52
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
awesome DC101 is
Okay, Yoda.
no, I meant - Awesome, DC101 is (on iheartradio) XD
Now you are dissing Master Yoda! Harumph!
I prefer my Star's to Trek than War.
Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2013 16:48:32
TriSec on 06/11/2013 16:48:32
All I saw was "DC-10".
Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2013 17:05:45
livingonli on 06/11/2013 17:05:45
On the baseball front, my fun at work last night was doing the O's game last night and they actually played through the rain until it turned into a downpour during the 6th inning and we had to sit through a 2 hours and 15 minute rain delay. Although strangely enough, when I plotted it for replay, it actually comes up as a quick game if you remove the rain delay.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 17:12:42
Heratic!
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 17:12:42
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
awesome DC101 is
Okay, Yoda.
no, I meant - Awesome, DC101 is (on iheartradio) XD
Now you are dissing Master Yoda! Harumph!
I prefer my Star's to Trek than War.
Heratic!
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 17:13:52
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 17:13:52
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 17:31:00
Raine on 06/11/2013 17:31:00
Mala, are you voting today?
Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2013 17:32:51
TriSec on 06/11/2013 17:32:51
I've been particularly Haram the last few days.
Although vintage jazz, classic martini, and ploughing through Volume IV of "WWII" sounds like a fine evening to me.
I shall retreat to my lair and ponder a Halal Martini.
Although vintage jazz, classic martini, and ploughing through Volume IV of "WWII" sounds like a fine evening to me.
I shall retreat to my lair and ponder a Halal Martini.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 17:37:07
Raine on 06/11/2013 17:37:07
Halal martini? do tell...
Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2013 17:41:06
in the primary - probably not - I'm good with which ever guy gets the nom
wickedpam on 06/11/2013 17:41:06
Quote by Raine:
Mala, are you voting today?
in the primary - probably not - I'm good with which ever guy gets the nom
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 17:52:18
Raine on 06/11/2013 17:52:18
I strongly urge that this be read.
REad it all and you will see why this paragraph is REALLY important:.
REad it all and you will see why this paragraph is REALLY important:
We can have a good national conversation about whether FISA should still be the law of the land. Understand though that if we repeal it and don’t replace it with anything, existing legal decisions and judicial review would mean that once again warrantless wiretapping ultimately aimed at foreign groups and terrorist organizations would be legal. Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter knew what they were doing when they created and passed FISA. Any law can be improved and FISA is no exception, but FISA is a big improvement compared to the situation before it was passed in 1978 and it is a big improvement over the Bush administration’s attempts to go back to warrantless wiretapping
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 18:05:17
I like this paragraph:
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 18:05:17
Quote by Raine:
I strongly urge that this be read.
REad it all and you will see why this paragraph is REALLY important:.We can have a good national conversation about whether FISA should still be the law of the land. Understand though that if we repeal it and don�t replace it with anything, existing legal decisions and judicial review would mean that once again warrantless wiretapping ultimately aimed at foreign groups and terrorist organizations would be legal. Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter knew what they were doing when they created and passed FISA. Any law can be improved and FISA is no exception, but FISA is a big improvement compared to the situation before it was passed in 1978 and it is a big improvement over the Bush administration�s attempts to go back to warrantless wiretapping
I like this paragraph:
President Obama did nothing wrong and there is no scandal here, at least not in terms of the administration. The reporting of this issue by Greenwald and other journalists and pundits, well there you might have a scandal. The history and context matters and not providing those things in this situation completely alters the meaning of the story and is a veritable journalistic crime. Greenwald should be ashamed of himself, and many other journalists and pundits out there should also feel ashamed of themselves.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 18:18:43
I liked that one as well --
Should I be pissed that Kennedy and Carter created this court to stop wiretapping? It just appears to me that Greenwald is seriously misrepresenting the story.
compare and contrast to Dr. Maddow's interview with Barton Gellman last night.
Raine on 06/11/2013 18:18:43
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I strongly urge that this be read.
REad it all and you will see why this paragraph is REALLY important:.We can have a good national conversation about whether FISA should still be the law of the land. Understand though that if we repeal it and don�t replace it with anything, existing legal decisions and judicial review would mean that once again warrantless wiretapping ultimately aimed at foreign groups and terrorist organizations would be legal. Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter knew what they were doing when they created and passed FISA. Any law can be improved and FISA is no exception, but FISA is a big improvement compared to the situation before it was passed in 1978 and it is a big improvement over the Bush administration�s attempts to go back to warrantless wiretapping
I like this paragraph:President Obama did nothing wrong and there is no scandal here, at least not in terms of the administration. The reporting of this issue by Greenwald and other journalists and pundits, well there you might have a scandal. The history and context matters and not providing those things in this situation completely alters the meaning of the story and is a veritable journalistic crime. Greenwald should be ashamed of himself, and many other journalists and pundits out there should also feel ashamed of themselves.
Should I be pissed that Kennedy and Carter created this court to stop wiretapping? It just appears to me that Greenwald is seriously misrepresenting the story.
compare and contrast to Dr. Maddow's interview with Barton Gellman last night.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 18:30:33
Greenwald has been reading too many of his own press clippings if you ask me. He acts as if he and a few brave kindred souls are the only people in the world who are protecting us from government over reach. If you don't agree with him you are just spouting the administration's talking points.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 18:30:33
Quote by Raine:I liked that one as well --Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I strongly urge that this be read.
REad it all and you will see why this paragraph is REALLY important:.We can have a good national conversation about whether FISA should still be the law of the land. Understand though that if we repeal it and don�t replace it with anything, existing legal decisions and judicial review would mean that once again warrantless wiretapping ultimately aimed at foreign groups and terrorist organizations would be legal. Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter knew what they were doing when they created and passed FISA. Any law can be improved and FISA is no exception, but FISA is a big improvement compared to the situation before it was passed in 1978 and it is a big improvement over the Bush administration�s attempts to go back to warrantless wiretapping
I like this paragraph:President Obama did nothing wrong and there is no scandal here, at least not in terms of the administration. The reporting of this issue by Greenwald and other journalists and pundits, well there you might have a scandal. The history and context matters and not providing those things in this situation completely alters the meaning of the story and is a veritable journalistic crime. Greenwald should be ashamed of himself, and many other journalists and pundits out there should also feel ashamed of themselves.
Should I be pissed that Kennedy and Carter created this court to stop wiretapping? It just appears to me that Greenwald is seriously misrepresenting the story.
compare and contrast to Dr. Maddow's interview with Barton Gellman last night.
Greenwald has been reading too many of his own press clippings if you ask me. He acts as if he and a few brave kindred souls are the only people in the world who are protecting us from government over reach. If you don't agree with him you are just spouting the administration's talking points.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 18:42:45
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 18:42:45
One of the things that has been bugging me about the PRISM reporting is how it is being characterized as "wiretapping." That would imply that they are listening and reading all the calls, emails, etc that are coming through to the NSA. They are collecting meta-data. Big, huge difference.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 18:57:08
Yes, there is a big difference.
Personally I don't see why this meta Data needs to be kept for more than -- let's be generous: 5 years.
But yes, this is Meta-Data.
The original report from WaPo.z
This came out about the same time as the GG story. this is important:
and I read this :
this is the kind of shit that pisses me off.
Raine on 06/11/2013 18:57:08
Quote by Mondobubba:
One of the things that has been bugging me about the PRISM reporting is how it is being characterized as "wiretapping." That would imply that they are listening and reading all the calls, emails, etc that are coming through to the NSA. They are collecting meta-data. Big, huge difference.
Personally I don't see why this meta Data needs to be kept for more than -- let's be generous: 5 years.
But yes, this is Meta-Data.
The original report from WaPo.z
This came out about the same time as the GG story. this is important:
Barton Gellman and Laura Poitras, Published: June 6 | Updated: Friday, June 7, 10:51 AM
and I read this :
The story alleges that the NSA is “reaching deep inside the machinery of American companies that host hundreds of millions of American-held accounts on American soil.†It specifically names nine companies: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple. And the story alleges, “From inside a company's data stream the NSA is capable of pulling out anything it likes.â€
Within hours after the story broke, it had been amplified by other news agencies and tech websites and had inspired expressions of outrage over this invasion of privacy. And seven of the nine companies named issued categorical denials that they knew of or participated in any such program.
And then a funny thing happened the next morning. If you followed the link to that story, you found a completely different story, nearly twice as long, with a slightly different headline. The new story wasn’t just expanded; it had been stripped of key details, with no acknowledgment of the changes. That updated version, time-stamped at 8:51 AM on June 7, backed off from key details in the original story.
this is the kind of shit that pisses me off.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 19:05:17
YES! I saw that Matt Yeazel had posted this to FB on Sundee. Bless his fuzzy little heart. It was on the thread for that post that I likened Greenwald to Timothy Wakefield.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 19:05:17
Quote by Raine:Yes, there is a big difference.Quote by Mondobubba:
One of the things that has been bugging me about the PRISM reporting is how it is being characterized as "wiretapping." That would imply that they are listening and reading all the calls, emails, etc that are coming through to the NSA. They are collecting meta-data. Big, huge difference.
Personally I don't see why this meta Data needs to be kept for more than -- let's be generous: 5 years.
But yes, this is Meta-Data.
The original report from WaPo.z
This came out about the same time as the GG story. this is important:Barton Gellman and Laura Poitras, Published: June 6 | Updated: Friday, June 7, 10:51 AM
and I read this :The story alleges that the NSA is “reaching deep inside the machinery of American companies that host hundreds of millions of American-held accounts on American soil.†It specifically names nine companies: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple. And the story alleges, “From inside a company's data stream the NSA is capable of pulling out anything it likes.â€
Within hours after the story broke, it had been amplified by other news agencies and tech websites and had inspired expressions of outrage over this invasion of privacy. And seven of the nine companies named issued categorical denials that they knew of or participated in any such program.
And then a funny thing happened the next morning. If you followed the link to that story, you found a completely different story, nearly twice as long, with a slightly different headline. The new story wasn’t just expanded; it had been stripped of key details, with no acknowledgment of the changes. That updated version, time-stamped at 8:51 AM on June 7, backed off from key details in the original story.
this is the kind of shit that pisses me off.
YES! I saw that Matt Yeazel had posted this to FB on Sundee. Bless his fuzzy little heart. It was on the thread for that post that I likened Greenwald to Timothy Wakefield.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 19:05:34
YES! I saw that Matt Yeazel had posted this to FB on Sundee. Bless his fuzzy little heart. It was on the thread for that post that I likened Greenwald to Timothy Wakefield.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 19:05:34
Quote by Raine:Yes, there is a big difference.Quote by Mondobubba:
One of the things that has been bugging me about the PRISM reporting is how it is being characterized as "wiretapping." That would imply that they are listening and reading all the calls, emails, etc that are coming through to the NSA. They are collecting meta-data. Big, huge difference.
Personally I don't see why this meta Data needs to be kept for more than -- let's be generous: 5 years.
But yes, this is Meta-Data.
The original report from WaPo.z
This came out about the same time as the GG story. this is important:Barton Gellman and Laura Poitras, Published: June 6 | Updated: Friday, June 7, 10:51 AM
and I read this :The story alleges that the NSA is “reaching deep inside the machinery of American companies that host hundreds of millions of American-held accounts on American soil.†It specifically names nine companies: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple. And the story alleges, “From inside a company's data stream the NSA is capable of pulling out anything it likes.â€
Within hours after the story broke, it had been amplified by other news agencies and tech websites and had inspired expressions of outrage over this invasion of privacy. And seven of the nine companies named issued categorical denials that they knew of or participated in any such program.
And then a funny thing happened the next morning. If you followed the link to that story, you found a completely different story, nearly twice as long, with a slightly different headline. The new story wasn’t just expanded; it had been stripped of key details, with no acknowledgment of the changes. That updated version, time-stamped at 8:51 AM on June 7, backed off from key details in the original story.
this is the kind of shit that pisses me off.
YES! I saw that Matt Yeazel had posted this to FB on Sundee. Bless his fuzzy little heart. It was on the thread for that post that I likened Greenwald to Timothy Wakefield.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 19:07:50
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 19:07:50
Agreed! I think five years is the legal standard for retaining business documents. Why not meta-data gather through signal intelligence?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 19:09:13
Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 19:09:13
There should be some sort of limits on meta data. I think we do need a robust debate.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 19:59:45
Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 19:59:45
The Senate is voting on the immigration reform bill. So, I contacted my two Senators on the issue to support the compromise. (I am in NW Indiana, so it is Dan Coats (I was on hold for a while) and Joe Donnelly, who defeated Richard Mourdock last year.
Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2013 20:17:26
TriSec on 06/11/2013 20:17:26
And now I fully expect to find my right rear tire in a resting, or flaccid state. It was looking pretty sad this morning when I got to the garage.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 20:39:07
Nick Cave is right, people ain't no good.
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 20:39:07
Nick Cave is right, people ain't no good.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 20:55:09
Will in Chicago on 06/11/2013 20:55:09
From the Daily Kos: Senate votes to move forward with immigration debate.
Both of Indiana's senators voted yes, but Senator Kirk of Illinois voted no. You can check on how your senators voted here.
Both of Indiana's senators voted yes, but Senator Kirk of Illinois voted no. You can check on how your senators voted here.
Comment by Raine on 06/11/2013 21:38:13
Raine on 06/11/2013 21:38:13
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 22:05:30
Mondobubba on 06/11/2013 22:05:30
Quote by Raine:corrected.Quote by Mondobubba:
Scrotom rejuvination. I kid you not. :headscratch: :ballscratch:
Comment by BobR on 06/11/2013 23:26:28
There is no way I am letting anyone get near my "tea & crumpets" with a laser, unless my life depends on it.
Even then, I may have to think on it...
BobR on 06/11/2013 23:26:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
Scrotom rejuvination. I kid you not. :headscratch:
There is no way I am letting anyone get near my "tea & crumpets" with a laser, unless my life depends on it.
Even then, I may have to think on it...
Comment by 
clintster on 06/12/2013 00:22:27
clintster on 06/12/2013 00:22:27
