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Beating a Dead Gift Horse in the Mouth
Author: BobR
Date: 06/20/2013 13:25:20
When the IRS "scandal" broke, you could pretty much hear the Republican's licking their lips in anticipation. It was pretty gross, really, all that smacking, and there was so much spittle, we had rainy weather for weeks. The Republicans were certain this was going to bring down the Obama presidency: a government entity generally hated by everyone being used to politically target the president's "enemies".
There was just one problem - there was nothing there. The witch-hunter-in-chief convened hisinquisitions hearings to "get to the bottom of it". The bottom was got (I wrote about this previously). Darrell Issa knew he had nothing, and tried to hide that from the public. One might ask: isn't that the REAL scandal here?... that the person in power claiming "corruption" found none and then refused to update the country with the truth?
That proved to be a bit too much for congressman Elijah Cummings (D-MD), who went ahead against Issa's objections, and released the FULL transcripts of the hearings. Instead of just the cherry-picked comments from the hyper-partisan Tea Party groups who felt "violated" because they wanted tax-exempt status for their political advocacy groups (which is in violation of the tax-exempt statutes) and still got it, we also heard from the self-professed conservative Republican IRS manager who oversaw the "targeting", and declared it wasn't partisan.
So the end result? Not partisan, not targeting, and certainly not a directive from the White House.
That hasn't stopped some in Congress from continuing to pursue this. House Rep Dave Camp (R-MI) has stated:
Hint to Congressman Camp: The Truth is Out There.
Ultimately, though - the gambit worked. A majority of Americans still believe the groups were targeted, and for political reasons, despite the release of the transcripts. The propaganda is overshadowing the truth, and since they aren't able to use it to boot the president, the Republicans are trying to ride this to their ultimate wet-dream: The Flat Tax (also falsely named The Fair Tax, because it is anything but).
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) is still lying about this to forward this goal:
Every one of those lines is a lie (except for "I'm Ted Cruz"). Rand Paul (R-KY) is chiming in as well. They're hoping that the anti-IRS sentiment will out-shout the truth coming from the congressional hearing transcripts. It's a long jump, though, from "uga uga - IRS BAD" to a legislative package that grossly restructures the entire IRS.
If the facts supported the allegations, I might be bothered enough to consider their anger to be valid. It's not, though, which makes them lying opportunists. No big surprise there.
There was just one problem - there was nothing there. The witch-hunter-in-chief convened his
That proved to be a bit too much for congressman Elijah Cummings (D-MD), who went ahead against Issa's objections, and released the FULL transcripts of the hearings. Instead of just the cherry-picked comments from the hyper-partisan Tea Party groups who felt "violated" because they wanted tax-exempt status for their political advocacy groups (which is in violation of the tax-exempt statutes) and still got it, we also heard from the self-professed conservative Republican IRS manager who oversaw the "targeting", and declared it wasn't partisan.
So the end result? Not partisan, not targeting, and certainly not a directive from the White House.
That hasn't stopped some in Congress from continuing to pursue this. House Rep Dave Camp (R-MI) has stated:
House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) pledged to hundreds of Tea Party activists that lawmakers would get to the bottom of the current IRS controversy.
Camp, whose panel is one of several examining the IRS's targeting of conservative groups, told a rally at the west front of the Capitol that lawmakers would be on the case no matter how long it took.
"It will take time, but we will get the facts, and we will follow them wherever they lead," Camp said. "We will get the truth, and we will hold those responsible accountable."
Hint to Congressman Camp: The Truth is Out There.
Ultimately, though - the gambit worked. A majority of Americans still believe the groups were targeted, and for political reasons, despite the release of the transcripts. The propaganda is overshadowing the truth, and since they aren't able to use it to boot the president, the Republicans are trying to ride this to their ultimate wet-dream: The Flat Tax (also falsely named The Fair Tax, because it is anything but).
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) is still lying about this to forward this goal:
Hi, I’m Ted Cruz and this is the Freedom Minute.
The IRS scandal revealed the targeting of conservative groups, tea party groups, pro-life groups, and pro-Israel groups for intrusive questions and harassing.
This is the consequence of an agency that is too big and has too much power.
And now, the IRS is supposed to be put in charge of administering Obamacare.
Enough is enough.
We need to abolish the IRS, eliminate the intrusive agents, and replace the IRS and the tax code with a simple flat tax where every American can file his or her taxes on a postcard.
Every year we spend about $500 billion on tax compliance – which is dead weight loss and it doesn’t produce even a single truck or tortilla.
A flat tax would produce economic growth and create jobs.
Every one of those lines is a lie (except for "I'm Ted Cruz"). Rand Paul (R-KY) is chiming in as well. They're hoping that the anti-IRS sentiment will out-shout the truth coming from the congressional hearing transcripts. It's a long jump, though, from "uga uga - IRS BAD" to a legislative package that grossly restructures the entire IRS.
If the facts supported the allegations, I might be bothered enough to consider their anger to be valid. It's not, though, which makes them lying opportunists. No big surprise there.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 06/20/2013 13:24:46
wickedpam on 06/20/2013 13:24:46
Morning 
yum, cake for breakie!
yum, cake for breakie!
Comment by 
BobR on 06/20/2013 13:27:05
BobR on 06/20/2013 13:27:05
I was so busy typing this morning, I didn't even see 9:00 come and go. Blog is posted, though.
Comment by 
Raine on 06/20/2013 13:44:44
Raine on 06/20/2013 13:44:44
I'm really truly concerned at how 
everything is becoming lately -- I really am --
everything is becoming lately -- I really am --
Comment by 
TriSec on 06/20/2013 13:48:26
TriSec on 06/20/2013 13:48:26
Morning, comrades.
We got blogs for sale!
Troop weekend:
Saturday - June 29
Scout Camp Week:
Tuesday, July 16 ("Ask a Vet" formatting strongly recommended)
Saturday, July 20 (No restrictions)
I will not have access to any sort of electronics on any of these dates.
And in case you missed it last night:
I suppose they're lucky I stuck to my guns and insisted that I was going. If I listened to them and backed out, they'd have no adults committed for the week now, and where would the troop be?
We got blogs for sale!
Troop weekend:
Saturday - June 29
Scout Camp Week:
Tuesday, July 16 ("Ask a Vet" formatting strongly recommended)
Saturday, July 20 (No restrictions)
I will not have access to any sort of electronics on any of these dates.
And in case you missed it last night:
I am feeling much better about summer camp. I get to go for free now, since "You're the only one going for the week". Which also means I'm acting Scoutmaster.
So I get to do things my way, and maybe undo some of the crapola those poor kids have put up with all season.
I suppose they're lucky I stuck to my guns and insisted that I was going. If I listened to them and backed out, they'd have no adults committed for the week now, and where would the troop be?
Comment by wickedpam on 06/20/2013 13:52:30
I thought it was just me who was getting twitchy from being pelting with tin foil. A week doesn't go by without a new or expanding "scandal".
wickedpam on 06/20/2013 13:52:30
Quote by Raine:
I'm really truly concerned at how
I thought it was just me who was getting twitchy from being pelting with tin foil. A week doesn't go by without a new or expanding "scandal".
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 13:52:44
I'll take the Ask a vet
Raine on 06/20/2013 13:52:44
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades.
We got blogs for sale!
Troop weekend:
Saturday - June 29
Scout Camp Week:
Tuesday, July 16 ("Ask a Vet" formatting strongly recommended)
Saturday, July 20 (No restrictions)
I will not have access to any sort of electronics on any of these dates.
And in case you missed it last night:
I am feeling much better about summer camp. I get to go for free now, since "You're the only one going for the week". Which also means I'm acting Scoutmaster.
So I get to do things my way, and maybe undo some of the crapola those poor kids have put up with all season.
I suppose they're lucky I stuck to my guns and insisted that I was going. If I listened to them and backed out, they'd have no adults committed for the week now, and where would the troop be?
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 13:55:54
Sadly it's not just the right -- just take a look around at the left regarding Michael HAsting death.
Raine on 06/20/2013 13:55:54
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I'm really truly concerned at how
I thought it was just me who was getting twitchy from being pelting with tin foil. A week doesn't go by without a new or expanding "scandal".
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:09:32
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:09:32
Raine, re; your comment about my cheeky Wikipedia comment. Of course I use the footnotes, who wouldn't. I do have a caveat though, sometimes the footnotes can't be trusted because they link secondary sources. But, that is where this can get even more fun when you trip down the rabbit hole! 
Oh and good morning!
Oh and good morning!
Comment by BobR on 06/20/2013 14:12:04
I'd offer, but we are going to be in Philly for the NHC on Jun 29, and then July 20th is our yearly party blowout, and we'll be frantically making last minute preparations.
BobR on 06/20/2013 14:12:04
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades.
We got blogs for sale!
Troop weekend:
Saturday - June 29
Scout Camp Week:
Tuesday, July 16 ("Ask a Vet" formatting strongly recommended)
Saturday, July 20 (No restrictions)
I'd offer, but we are going to be in Philly for the NHC on Jun 29, and then July 20th is our yearly party blowout, and we'll be frantically making last minute preparations.
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 14:12:56
Good Morning!
-- yes, Mondo I too have gone down numerous wiki induced rabbit holes...
Raine on 06/20/2013 14:12:56
Good Morning! -- yes, Mondo I too have gone down numerous wiki induced rabbit holes...
Comment by 
Scoopster on 06/20/2013 14:13:24
Scoopster on 06/20/2013 14:13:24
Morning all.. 
Well, this numbness and dull-to-stabbing pain in my thing has returned, and the entire area where it's numb/hurting is firm to the touch. Needless to say I'm quite concerned.
Well, this numbness and dull-to-stabbing pain in my thing has returned, and the entire area where it's numb/hurting is firm to the touch. Needless to say I'm quite concerned.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/20/2013 14:14:31
oh I figure that every side has a foil section but at this point its getting completely out of hand. Not everything is a conspiracy.
wickedpam on 06/20/2013 14:14:31
Quote by Raine:Sadly it's not just the right -- just take a look around at the left regarding Michael HAsting death.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I'm really truly concerned at how
I thought it was just me who was getting twitchy from being pelting with tin foil. A week doesn't go by without a new or expanding "scandal".
oh I figure that every side has a foil section but at this point its getting completely out of hand. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 14:16:18
Posse comiromalongadingding.
Raine on 06/20/2013 14:16:18
Posse comiromalongadingding.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:17:30
Go to the doctor, right now. Don't wait.
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:17:30
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all..
Well, this numbness and dull-to-stabbing pain in my thing has returned, and the entire area where it's numb/hurting is firm to the touch. Needless to say I'm quite concerned.
Go to the doctor, right now. Don't wait.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:19:44
I sense a Jimism am I right?
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:19:44
Quote by Raine:
I sense a Jimism am I right?
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 14:21:34
Raine on 06/20/2013 14:21:34
SCOTUS is done with ruling for the day.
They are saving DOMA, Prop8 and the Voting rights act for Monday.
They are saving DOMA, Prop8 and the Voting rights act for Monday.
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 14:23:24
He came close to saying it -- but that one was all me. a RW caller said he didn't care about Posse Comitatis and BADLY mispronounced it-- something like proccy somtalis --
Raine on 06/20/2013 14:23:24
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I sense a Jimism am I right?
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 14:24:01
Seconded! Get to the Doctor!
Raine on 06/20/2013 14:24:01
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all..
Well, this numbness and dull-to-stabbing pain in my thing has returned, and the entire area where it's numb/hurting is firm to the touch. Needless to say I'm quite concerned.
Go to the doctor, right now. Don't wait.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:41:45
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:41:45
Quote by Raine:He came close to saying it -- but that one was all me. a RW caller said he didn't care about Posse Comitatis and BADLY mispronounced it-- something like proccy somtalis --Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I sense a Jimism am I right?
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:44:11
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:44:11
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:46:20
Posse Com'n Irene?
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 14:46:20
Quote by Raine:He came close to saying it -- but that one was all me. a RW caller said he didn't care about Posse Comitatis and BADLY mispronounced it-- something like proccy somtalis --Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I sense a Jimism am I right?
Posse Com'n Irene?
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 15:08:01
Ahh Jacob Riis! (This is a display of a tasteful liberal arts education at a private university, SUCK IT REPUBLICANS! LIBERAL ARTS MATTER!)
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 15:08:01
Quote by BobR:
These pictures are amazing: NYC slums in 1890s
Ahh Jacob Riis! (This is a display of a tasteful liberal arts education at a private university, SUCK IT REPUBLICANS! LIBERAL ARTS MATTER!)
Comment by TriSec on 06/20/2013 15:36:15
TriSec on 06/20/2013 15:36:15
There's no "Conservative Arts" courses, are there?
Flees state -->
Flees state -->
Comment by BobR on 06/20/2013 15:40:14
"Conservative Arts" is an oxymoron.
BobR on 06/20/2013 15:40:14
Quote by TriSec:
There's no "Conservative Arts" courses, are there?
Flees state -->
"Conservative Arts" is an oxymoron.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/20/2013 15:42:02
I think the term you mean is artistic conversation (and restoration).
My ex-landlord's son is in that industry.. Was working at MoMa for a few years, and just recently took a job at the University of Chicago.
Scoopster on 06/20/2013 15:42:02
Quote by TriSec:
There's no "Conservative Arts" courses, are there?
Flees state -->
I think the term you mean is artistic conversation (and restoration).
My ex-landlord's son is in that industry.. Was working at MoMa for a few years, and just recently took a job at the University of Chicago.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 15:56:36
He didn't have a previous career as concert cellist by any chance?
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 15:56:36
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by TriSec:
There's no "Conservative Arts" courses, are there?
Flees state -->
I think the term you mean is artistic conversation (and restoration).
My ex-landlord's son is in that industry.. Was working at MoMa for a few years, and just recently took a job at the University of Chicago.
He didn't have a previous career as concert cellist by any chance?
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 16:02:14
The "Artist" of Light comes to mind.
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 16:02:14
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
There's no "Conservative Arts" courses, are there?
Flees state -->
"Conservative Arts" is an oxymoron.
The "Artist" of Light comes to mind.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/20/2013 16:05:47
Will in Chicago on 06/20/2013 16:05:47
Hi, bloggers!!
BobR, I enjoyed the blog. I wonder if there can be a push back against these claims that will work.
I will try to stop back later. Cleaning today.
BobR, I enjoyed the blog. I wonder if there can be a push back against these claims that will work.
I will try to stop back later. Cleaning today.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/20/2013 16:07:35
Will in Chicago on 06/20/2013 16:07:35
Also, rest in peace James Gandolfini!
Comment by BobR on 06/20/2013 16:31:59
Yeah - and these
BobR on 06/20/2013 16:31:59
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
There's no "Conservative Arts" courses, are there?
Flees state -->
"Conservative Arts" is an oxymoron.
The "Artist" of Light comes to mind.
Yeah - and these
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 16:32:05
Raine on 06/20/2013 16:32:05
Another interesting and nice result from SCOTUS. Scalia and Thomas dissented. Kagan didn't take part in the case as she worked on it while a member of the Obama Administration.
The Supreme Court on Thursday said the government cannot force private health organizations to denounce prostitution as a condition to get taxpayer money to fight AIDS around the world.
Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the court, said the anti-prostitution pledge in a 2003 AIDS funding law improperly restricts the groups’ First Amendment rights. (snip)
But in the 6-2 decision, Roberts wrote that the pledge “goes beyond preventing recipients from using private funds in a way that would undermine the federal government.â€
“It requires them to pledge allegiance to the government’s policy of eradicating prostitution,†he wrote. That, Roberts wrote, the government cannot do.
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 16:32:59
I haven't thought of those in years!!
Raine on 06/20/2013 16:32:59
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
There's no "Conservative Arts" courses, are there?
Flees state -->
"Conservative Arts" is an oxymoron.
The "Artist" of Light comes to mind.
Yeah - and these
I haven't thought of those in years!!
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 16:36:11
Raine on 06/20/2013 16:36:11
and then this: Supreme Court makes it harder to bring class-action lawsuits
“In Plain English,†writes Tom Goldstein of SCOTUSblog, “this means that if you have a contract with a business in which you agree to arbitrate a dispute but it says you can’t get together with other plaintiffs in a ‘class action,’ that contract will be enforced, even if it may be too expensive for you to pursue your own claim given what you might win.â€
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 16:39:27
Raine on 06/20/2013 16:39:27
SCOTUS ruling makes it harder to punish repeat offenders
“In Plain English,†SCOTUSblog writer and noted SCOTUS litigator Tom Goldstein concludes, “it is now harder for the government to use the facts of a prior conviction to enhance a federal criminal sentence.†Elena Kagan wrote the decision for the court. Samuel Alito dissented. Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas wrote separate concurrences.
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 16:40:03
Raine on 06/20/2013 16:40:03
And that is your 4F SCOTUS moment!
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 16:47:19
Four Freedoms cares!
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 16:47:19
Quote by Raine:
And that is your 4F SCOTUS moment!
Four Freedoms cares!
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 17:54:11
Jesus what an asshole, a clueless, mean spirited, asshole.
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 17:54:11
Quote by Raine:
Paul ryan -- proving once again what a POS he really is.
Jesus what an asshole, a clueless, mean spirited, asshole.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 17:56:13
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 17:56:13
In the eyes of some of my co-workers, I am an asshole. I've mentioned the smoking area we have here before. Some my fellow employees are leaving the boundaries of that designated area. I ratted them out to HR. The HR people were pleased.
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 17:59:26
Raine on 06/20/2013 17:59:26
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 18:09:17
Isn't it? I read that last night. I've read some other stuff that sets out to remind people that there was more to the man than Tone.
This one is from Slate. Do check out the clip from "Get Shorty" it is one of the best funny scenes in the movie.
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 18:09:17
Isn't it? I read that last night. I've read some other stuff that sets out to remind people that there was more to the man than Tone.
This one is from Slate. Do check out the clip from "Get Shorty" it is one of the best funny scenes in the movie.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/20/2013 18:31:40
So, the GOP is devolving to the point where one has to question why anyone outside the top 2 percent of voters would support it.
Will in Chicago on 06/20/2013 18:31:40
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Paul ryan -- proving once again what a POS he really is.
Jesus what an asshole, a clueless, mean spirited, asshole.
So, the GOP is devolving to the point where one has to question why anyone outside the top 2 percent of voters would support it.
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 18:39:12
Raine on 06/20/2013 18:39:12
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 18:41:18
It is a little more subtle than that. I honestly believe that Paul Ryan thinks unless you dressed in rags and live in some sort of Dickensian squalor, you aren't poor.
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 18:41:18
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Paul ryan -- proving once again what a POS he really is.
Jesus what an asshole, a clueless, mean spirited, asshole.
So, the GOP is devolving to the point where one has to question why anyone outside the top 2 percent of voters would support it.
It is a little more subtle than that. I honestly believe that Paul Ryan thinks unless you dressed in rags and live in some sort of Dickensian squalor, you aren't poor.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 18:46:22
As much as this kinda scares the crap out of me, I can't help but think of these two as a couple of total mooks.
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 18:46:22
Quote by Raine:
I am copywriting this word:
Terrorednecks.
(more on the terror plot that was busted in Upstate NY)
As much as this kinda scares the crap out of me, I can't help but think of these two as a couple of total mooks.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/20/2013 18:49:02
I given them crazy points for at least being creative but other then that - Go to Jail, Do Not Pass Go
wickedpam on 06/20/2013 18:49:02
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I am copywriting this word:
Terrorednecks.
(more on the terror plot that was busted in Upstate NY)
As much as this kinda scares the crap out of me, I can't help but think of these two as a couple of total mooks.
I given them crazy points for at least being creative but other then that - Go to Jail, Do Not Pass Go
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/20/2013 18:49:38
Perhaps he should live the life he is so concerned about for a few weeks. He may not gain any new insights, but a documentary of what that would be like might be eye opening for many Americans.
Will in Chicago on 06/20/2013 18:49:38
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Paul ryan -- proving once again what a POS he really is.
Jesus what an asshole, a clueless, mean spirited, asshole.
So, the GOP is devolving to the point where one has to question why anyone outside the top 2 percent of voters would support it.
It is a little more subtle than that. I honestly believe that Paul Ryan thinks unless you dressed in rags and live in some sort of Dickensian squalor, you aren't poor.
Perhaps he should live the life he is so concerned about for a few weeks. He may not gain any new insights, but a documentary of what that would be like might be eye opening for many Americans.
Comment by Raine on 06/20/2013 19:03:23
They are idiots -- but they are idiots who fortunately stopped before they found someone to help them that WASN'T an idiot.
here is an interesting tidbit: I know this isn't a FISA issue but it is worth noting that a warrant was gotten to listen in on them.
Raine on 06/20/2013 19:03:23
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I am copywriting this word:
Terrorednecks.
(more on the terror plot that was busted in Upstate NY)
As much as this kinda scares the crap out of me, I can't help but think of these two as a couple of total mooks.
I given them crazy points for at least being creative but other then that - Go to Jail, Do Not Pass Go
They are idiots -- but they are idiots who fortunately stopped before they found someone to help them that WASN'T an idiot.
here is an interesting tidbit:
In December, agents were given permission to monitor Crawford and Feight's cell phones and emails.
Although Crawford had not found a radiation supply for the device, it was capable of being operated remotely.
The men were arrested on Tuesday, after having a meeting on June 12, monitored by undercover informants posing as members of the KKK interested in purchasing the device and financing the project, where they discussed testing a fully working version of the device.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 19:08:22
Yes, a wiretap in LE slang is called a Title 3, from the section of the US Code that explains what the rules surrounding getting a wire up and running are. Thank you, David Simon if it wasn't for your amazing teevee show I wouldn't be able to discuss this intelligently.
This didn't got through FISA because it was being treated from jump street as criminal matter. Like all cases of suspected terrorism should be.
Mondobubba on 06/20/2013 19:08:22
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I am copywriting this word:
Terrorednecks.
(more on the terror plot that was busted in Upstate NY)
As much as this kinda scares the crap out of me, I can't help but think of these two as a couple of total mooks.
I given them crazy points for at least being creative but other then that - Go to Jail, Do Not Pass Go
They are idiots -- but they are idiots who fortunately stopped before they found someone to help them that WASN'T an idiot.
here is an interesting tidbit:I know this isn't a FISA issue but it is worth noting that a warrant was gotten to listen in on them.In December, agents were given permission to monitor Crawford and Feight's cell phones and emails.
Although Crawford had not found a radiation supply for the device, it was capable of being operated remotely.
The men were arrested on Tuesday, after having a meeting on June 12, monitored by undercover informants posing as members of the KKK interested in purchasing the device and financing the project, where they discussed testing a fully working version of the device.
Yes, a wiretap in LE slang is called a Title 3, from the section of the US Code that explains what the rules surrounding getting a wire up and running are. Thank you, David Simon if it wasn't for your amazing teevee show I wouldn't be able to discuss this intelligently.
This didn't got through FISA because it was being treated from jump street as criminal matter. Like all cases of suspected terrorism should be.