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Crime and Punishment
Author: BobR    Date: 07/25/2013 12:45:11

Ten days ago, I wrote about the Zimmerman trial result, and the wild west gun culture in America. I'd like to revisit that theme today. In that blog I wrote:
This is the logical end result of those Stand Your Ground laws (now in effect in half the states in America). This is the end-result of the obscene fetishization of the gun in the American zeitgeist. We look back wistfully at the Old West, where everyone had a gun, and justice was swift and only required a tree and a rope. The gun Zimmerman used was his tree and rope. Zimmerman was judge, jury, and executioner, just like in the old days.

Except - those old days didn't really exist, not the way people think. If you rode into a western town with a gun, you had to leave it at the sheriff's office, and pick it up when you left. What America seems to model itself on is a Hollywood fiction.

There is also the issue of conviction and incarceration. In the last 30 years, the number of Americans imprisoned has skyrocketed:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/US_incarceration_timeline-clean-fixed-timescale.svg/693px-US_incarceration_timeline-clean-fixed-timescale.svg.png


Of those, the vast majority are black or hispanic:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/U.S._incarceration_rate_by_race_2.gif


Part of this could be blamed on Reagan's War on Drugs, which has continued to this day. Some could be blamed on the scourge of crack that appeared around the same time. There's also this unsettling statistic: A white person who kills a black person is 354 percent more likely to be acquitted than a white person who kills another white person in states with Stand Your Ground laws (and over 400% more likely than a black person who kills a white person):

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/15/article-2363939-1AD2BA90000005DC-68_634x647.jpg


How do these statistics translate into real life? We saw Zimmerman walk. We saw (in my previous blog) the woman got 20 years for just firing a warning shot. And a white person killing a brown prostitute for not providing sex is okay in TX.

So yes - the laws themselves are problematic. They give incredible leeway for law enforcement to decide whether or not to charge a person for a crime, and they give juries incredible leeway for letting a murderer walk.

The bigger problem is the application of those laws, by both law enforcement and courts. When the percentage of incarcerated doesn't match the percentage by population, then something is terribly wrong. When white-on-black murder is treated vastly different than any other combination, then something is terribly wrong.

Some blame can be made for the lingering economic dichotomy between black and white America as a hangover from the decades of slavery and then emancipation into a world that either was indifferent or downright hostile. Desperation and lack of hope for a future can breed resentment and lead to crime. But in these numbers? I don't think so.

That desperation and resentment is beginning to show in the white male power structure that sees it's influence waning, that sees "others" as less than them, or even less than human. The police say the Scary Black Man committed a crime? Off to jail - don't want him hanging around here. But let little white Johnny boy come up for something in court... well, we don't want to ruin HIS life by tarring him with a criminal conviction - he has so much to live for... not like the Scary Black Man who is never going to amount to anything.

This is the poisonous mindset. This is what creates the shocking disparities in the statistics above. When police and courts and juries see the black man and assume criminal, then see the white man and see themselves, the results are predictable.

The big question is how does this change? How do we as a nation heal ourselves from the wounds of the past? How do we keep the poison from damaging the minds of the children? I have some hope when I see the younger generation that doesn't understand racism, especially the institutionalized kind. It may take several more generations, but I hope it gets better. I think we are seeing a certain type of desperation from the power structure, but as they die off and younger replacements come in with cleaner minds, perhaps this will all go away.

Perhaps...

Justice can't be for just us.
 

26 comments (Latest Comment: 07/25/2013 22:52:08 by livingonli)
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Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2013 13:02:00
Morning

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2013 13:06:22
We are the jailingest country in the world. You knew that before you did your research, right? Most of the people who are in prison right now are there for non-violent drug offenses and the incarceration rate on drug charges is rising for poor white people. I can not recommend "The House I Live In" enough. It is currently available on the Netflix. I also recommend "When Work Disapires"

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2013 13:34:09
Oh, Florida!

For some reason we just find it hard to believe that any animal might not be an apt accessory to our Florida lifestyle—until they do something to remind us that they're wild animals, like escaping to wreak havoc or attacking a child. I once spent a day hanging out with some wildlife inspectors at the Miami airport, where they have found marmosets hidden under a man's hat, Cuban parrot chicks tucked in a woman's bra (one per cup), and 45 red-footed tortoises stuffed in a man's parachute pants. While I was there, a dude walked up to the intake window and casually told the woman on duty, “Hey. I just bought a tiger off a guy and it didn't come with any papers and I wondered if that's a problem.”
“Well sir,” she said, frowning, “first let's think about where tigers normally live, OK? It's not Florida.”



This begs the question, what kind of person buys a tiger from a dodgy guy at the airport?

Comment by Raine on 07/25/2013 13:45:57
Good morning!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2013 13:47:42
Airport Tigers. Great band name, yes or no?

Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2013 13:51:03
Quote by Mondobubba:
Airport Tigers. Great band name, yes or no?


80's Glass Tiger cover band name


Comment by BobR on 07/25/2013 13:58:20
Quote by Mondobubba:
We are the jailingest country in the world. You knew that before you did your research, right? Most of the people who are in prison right now are there for non-violent drug offenses and the incarceration rate on drug charges is rising for poor white people. I can not recommend "The House I Live In" enough. It is currently available on the Netflix. I also recommend "When Work Disapires"

Yes I knew that. I did make a comment about the drug war in the blog. I wanted to focus on the racial inequities in how the laws are applied.

Comment by BobR on 07/25/2013 14:04:19
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2013 14:31:35
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
We are the jailingest country in the world. You knew that before you did your research, right? Most of the people who are in prison right now are there for non-violent drug offenses and the incarceration rate on drug charges is rising for poor white people. I can not recommend "The House I Live In" enough. It is currently available on the Netflix. I also recommend "When Work Disapires"

Yes I knew that. I did make a comment about the drug war in the blog. I wanted to focus on the racial inequities in how the laws are applied.



The single biggest point were the laws are applied are for drug sentencing. Most of the people sent to jail under the crack vs powdered cocaine disparity sentencing guidelines are people of color despite the fact that most crack users are white. Cause you know crack is sooo much worse than powdered coke. So much worse that until recently if you had 5 grams of crack, the sentence was the same as if you were holding 500 grams of powder. Now it the disparity is only 18 to 1. Seriously. WTF? The only difference between crack and powder coke is some baking soda and heat. This idiot horseshit is why if I am ever called for jury duty and the case in question is for a non-violent drug offense, I will vote for acquit no matter the evidence.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2013 15:05:42
everyone's so quiet today



Comment by Raine on 07/25/2013 15:34:45
This:
On July 16th further evidence was released to the public that implicates the parents involvement in the child’s death. Police tests immediately following the shooting revealed gun powder on the hands of both Sherry West and the baby’s father, Louis Santiago. Santiago claimed that he was nowhere near the scene of the shooting. This evidence too, was withheld for months, until the defense attorney in the case demanded that it be released in mid July.
I remember reading that story back in April and was really wondering where this was going to go.




Comment by Raine on 07/25/2013 15:51:38
Quote by wickedpam:
everyone's so quiet today


I;m kinda bored with the NYC Mayoral Candidate talk --



Comment by Scoopster on 07/25/2013 15:56:52
Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/25/2013 15:59:25
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
everyone's so quiet today


I;m kinda bored with the NYC Mayoral Candidate talk --


Kinda bored, period. Dull and dreary outside (at least it's not 90+). Just finished testing an updated series of fixtures that pretty much consumed 90% of the time in the last week and now I get to catch up on all the other testing that got pushed to the side to take care of the Priority of the Week, though I was able to sneak some of the other stuff in from time to time.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2013 16:02:02
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
everyone's so quiet today


I;m kinda bored with the NYC Mayoral Candidate talk --


Kinda bored, period. Dull and dreary outside (at least it's not 90+). Just finished testing an updated series of fixtures that pretty much consumed 90% of the time in the last week and now I get to catch up on all the other testing that got pushed to the side to take care of the Priority of the Week, though I was able to sneak some of the other stuff in from time to time.



me too - just trying to clear off my desk for mini-vaca taking off Friday and Monday

Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/25/2013 16:23:39
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
everyone's so quiet today


I;m kinda bored with the NYC Mayoral Candidate talk --


Kinda bored, period. Dull and dreary outside (at least it's not 90+). Just finished testing an updated series of fixtures that pretty much consumed 90% of the time in the last week and now I get to catch up on all the other testing that got pushed to the side to take care of the Priority of the Week, though I was able to sneak some of the other stuff in from time to time.



me too - just trying to clear off my desk for mini-vaca taking off Friday and Monday


Still have to do the test reports though. Ugh. For this product the color fixtures are much simpler to test than the white ones. 20 tests for the white ones to meet US, European and Japanese requirements. Half that for the color ones.

Used to be worse though. I remember my medical electronics days when you needed different wiring harnesses because the US insisted on a green ground wire and the Europeans insisted on a green with yellow stripe wire. And a fuse or circuit breaker approved for the US was usually not approved for European use and vice-versa.

Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2013 16:49:17
Good day, folks. Feeling like that kind of day.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2013 16:50:10
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2013 17:55:07
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2013 18:02:22
Quote by TriSec:
As promised, I have finally written about camp.



"One time at Scout camp..."

Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2013 18:06:44
Quote by Mondobubba:



"One time at Scout camp..."





Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/25/2013 18:18:35
BobR, thanks for a great blog. I think that we have to take a hard look at our justice system.

In some good news, I just checked about some documents with the Prince William County Public Schools in Virginia. Everything is fine, and I will not have to submit by tuberculosis test results unless I am hired. (Waiting to hear on interviews from anywhere.)

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2013 18:52:06
Quote by TriSec:
As promised, I have finally written about camp.



Now that I have read the whole thing. A rather nice piece of work about something that is clearly near and dear to our author's heart. Well done!

Comment by Raine on 07/25/2013 20:56:41
It really is the dog days of summer, Huh?



Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/25/2013 21:25:42
Quote by Raine:
It really is the dog days of summer, Huh?




Raine, I have spent most of the day running errands.

By the way, for those who deny that climate change is real, please explain this to the kids waiting for Santa Claus, courtesy of USA Today: North Pole has become a lake, again.

Please read down to the bottom, where one estimate of the cost of climate change is $60 trillion. Yes, trillion with a t.

To quote the band World Party from their song, "Ship of Fools": Oh, save me, save me from tomorrow./ I don't want to sail with this Ship of Fools, no, no



Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2013 22:52:08
I'm still trying to figure out why temperatures here today haven't gotten out of the 60's after that heat wave last week. And I'm starting to feel like my body and my mind need a good vacation right now, but I haven't been able to consider taking any time off while I was dealing with all the legal stuff so I might end up just taking an early fall vacation.