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The Martyr
Author: BobR    Date: 04/30/2008 12:52:32

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life... (John 3:17)


According to Websters, a martyr is "a person who is put to death or endures great suffering on behalf of any belief, principle, or cause". About 2000 years ago, Jesus allowed himself to be martyred for the sins of mankind (if you believe the Christian Bible). There are two types of martyrs: Those that allow themselves to be nailed to the cross for the greater good, and those that nail themselves to the cross so they can feel noble and important. There are too many of the latter, and not enough of the former in this world.

Over the past few weeks, the Rev. Wright has been an albatros around the neck of Senator Obama. The fiery sermons were causing problems, and both of them knew it. Obama's famous "Pennsylvania Speech" on race relations helped to put water to the flames, but those in the media and those with an agenda would not let the embers die.

Over this past weekend, Rev. Wright made some extraordinary comments. He accused the government of introducing AIDS into the gay community... he danced around explaining the difference between white and black marching bands. Rather than tone himself down to match Obama's cool demeanor, he kicked it up several notches, thus putting even more distance between them.

The end result of the spectacle is that Obama became the "rational" one and denounced the reverend. Was the Rev. trying to hurt Obama for his attempts to create distance, as some have suggested? Or was he trying to help Obama by giving him the knife he needed to sever the relationship?

Being a man of the cloth, he is apt to feel empathy. He may have realized that he was a burden and decided to help Obama by removing himself from the discussion. There had been calls for Obama to dispute and disown the Rev., pleadings which Obama righteously chose to ignore, to his own detriment. It's possible that Rev. Wright knew that Obama would not disassociate himself unless there were actions and comments too controversial to ignore, and thus put himself out there to help Obama do that. Regardless of whether that was the raison d'etre, that's exactly what transpired.

There was some discussion a long ways back that Obama wasn't "black enough" for the black community, which has proved to be untrue. The Rev. Wright debacle may have been promoting unspoken thoughts that he was "too black" for the white community. The end result is that - like Goldilocks and the porridge - he may have found a level that is just right (no pun intended) for everyone.

Only the Rev. knows whether he sacrificed himself for Obama, and - if so - whether he did it for selfish or selfless reasons. It's safe to assume that no one will know for sure until after November. Let's all hope that whatever the motivation, the "Wright" issue is finally ensconsed in its tomb.

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Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 12:57:22
:clap: nice blog Bobber...

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 13:08:14
Momma just said what bob said in the bloggie! Wondering.

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 13:13:28
McCain offers market based health plan...



[...]McCain's prescription would seek to lure workers away from their company health plans with a $5,000 family tax credit and a promise that, left to their own devices, they would be able to find cheaper insurance that is more tailored to their health-care needs and not tied to a particular job.[...]



Basically it is the same plan that Bush touted. :rolleyes:

Comment by velveeta jones on 04/30/2008 13:20:08
:clap: Yes, I agree with the Mrs. :P



'Tis indeed an excellent blog.



Here's the thing - one which many talking heads are gawking at - many, many black people, and gay people, DO believe that the Gov't had something to do with AIDS. So, do you just "poo-poo" their feelings? After the Tuskegee Experiment is it so hard to deny these people that belief?





"YES" according to most of these "newscasters" and neo-con blow-hards.



Well.......... FUCK THEM.

Comment by BobR on 04/30/2008 13:20:27
Quote by Raine:

McCain offers market based health plan...



[...]McCain's prescription would seek to lure workers away from their company health plans with a $5,000 family tax credit and a promise that, left to their own devices, they would be able to find cheaper insurance that is more tailored to their health-care needs and not tied to a particular job.[...]

Basically it is the same plan that Bush touted. :rolleyes:


Of course - this assumes you are making enough money to pay $5000 in taxes a year.... and that you have enough money to pay for it up front... and that you have no pre-existing conditions that would cause insurance companies to charge you a much higher rate (if they covered you at all).



Lot of ASSumptions there...



Comment by m-hadley on 04/30/2008 13:23:54
Mornin' Everybody!

Excellent post BobR - I do truly hope that we have heard the last of Rev Wright

Happy Wednesday /Pay Day here at TU - we only get paid once a month so it is indeed a big deal :D

Cheers,

mfaye

:hug:

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 13:31:58
Quote by velveeta jones:

:clap: Yes, I agree with the Mrs. :P



'Tis indeed an excellent blog.



Here's the thing - one which many talking heads are gawking at - many, many black people, and gay people, DO believe that the Gov't had something to do with AIDS. So, do you just "poo-poo" their feelings? After the Tuskegee Experiment is it so hard to deny these people that belief?





"YES" according to most of these "newscasters" and neo-con blow-hards.



Well.......... FUCK THEM.
That is a wonderful point VJ.



I believe this as well, but I do bleieve that this country, this campaign is just not ready to have that thrown up so fervently.



I think this whole thing made barack as DAmaged as Hillary at this point. SO let's move on, becuase even damaged, they are still light years ahead of that man.



Comment by starling310 on 04/30/2008 13:33:16
:yawn:



mornin'







Rev. Wright can bite me!

Just sayin. . . .

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 13:35:30
oh dear... Donny. :unsure:

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 13:36:34
Oh jeez, Donny sounds like a unFair taxer....

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 13:37:54
:kitty: Sanchez!

Comment by starling310 on 04/30/2008 13:43:38
Dag! I have to watch that Bill Moyers interview to see what all the huff is about.



Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 13:48:26
Today's NYT Editorial:



It was the most forthright repudiation of an out-of-control supporter that we can remember. We would like to say that it will finally take the racial charge out of this campaign. We’re not that naïve.



It is an injustice, a legacy of the racist threads of this nation’s history, but prominent African-Americans are regularly called upon to explain or repudiate what other black Americans have to say, while white public figures are rarely, if ever, handed that burden.



Senator John McCain has continued to embrace a prominent white supporter, Pastor John Hagee, whose bigotry matches that of Mr. Wright. Mr. McCain has not tried hard enough to stop a race-baiting commercial — complete with video of Mr. Wright — that is being run against Mr. Obama in North Carolina.

===============================================



There is more at the link, but This ad should now be pulled, altho I won't hold my breath, in the mean time, McCain still plays the race card.



Comment by starling310 on 04/30/2008 13:50:33
I make 50K a year. . . most of it goes to gas and coffee.

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 13:51:11
We need to stop corporate welfare.



The republicans made that CAymen Island po box thing legal.

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 13:52:58
Republican Economics: Build from the top down...



Democratic Economics: Build from the bottom up.



Comment by TriSec on 04/30/2008 13:53:49
Morning, folks!



The hardest part of going back to the mines is dealing with e-mail...over 500 in 3 days! :thud:



I also passed through my friendly dental professional's office this morning...and had to re-do my medical history. One question made me guffaw out loud:



"Do you breathe primarily through your mouth?"



Ummm, no. I'm a Democrat.

Comment by starling310 on 04/30/2008 13:56:12
THANK YOU CALLER!!! EXACTLY!



Dave!

Good job Dave.

Comment by starling310 on 04/30/2008 13:58:02
". . .when they own the information, oh, they can bend it all they want. . . "

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 14:01:35
.6% is growth?



So who felt that growth? I don't give a rat's ass about all these indicators when I see people on the streets hurting.

Comment by livingonli on 04/30/2008 14:01:59
A belated good morning everyone. I was listening but a little sluggish this morning.



Yeah, I am a perfect example of how well the Bush policies have done for the economy.



And speaking of fees, driving down to DC, it seems like every so many miles I had to stop and pay a frickin' toll between the Verrazano and the Harbor Day Tunnel in Baltimore.

Comment by wickedpam on 04/30/2008 14:02:06
Morning :hug:

Comment by starling310 on 04/30/2008 14:03:04
Here's what I about my lady friend. . . she believes a lot of these same lies that Donnie believes. She's not annoying in how she does it, but I think that goes without saying. She told me that she likes Thomas Friedman! :thud:

And, the other night expressed confusion about "well, it is a Global Economy, etc, etc, etc."



It's amazing how differently the conversation goes when you have someone open and willing to connecting the dots and having that "Ah Ha" moment when they realize that perhaps everything they hear on Corporate Television, or read in Corporate Press isn't necessarily true.



She has decided to start reading about History and listening to Thom Hartmann; I told her that is pretty much where I have learned the most in the past 5 years.



Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 14:04:07
40 years ago? they filmed Jimi 40 years ago? What the hell kind of camera was used?

Comment by starling310 on 04/30/2008 14:06:09
Quote by livingonli:

A belated good morning everyone. I was listening but a little sluggish this morning.



Yeah, I am a perfect example of how well the Bush policies have done for the economy.



And speaking of fees, driving down to DC, it seems like every so many miles I had to stop and pay a frickin' toll between the Verrazano and the Harbor Day Tunnel in Baltimore.




My trip to DC definitely changed my mind about Mass Transit. I used to be one of those "I will never give up my car" people. Now, I find myself wishing I lived in a community where I could travel by rail, cab, bus, bike, etc. . .



Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 14:07:12
Quote by starling310:

Here's what I about my lady friend. . . she believes a lot of these same lies that Donnie believes. She's not annoying in how she does it, but I think that goes without saying. She told me that she likes Thomas Friedman! :thud:

And, the other night expressed confusion about "well, it is a Global Economy, etc, etc, etc."



It's amazing how differently the conversation goes when you have someone open and willing to connecting the dots and having that "Ah Ha" moment when they realize that perhaps everything they hear on Corporate Television, or read in Corporate Press isn't necessarily true.



She has decided to start reading about History and listening to Thom Hartmann; I told her that is pretty much where I have learned the most in the past 5 years.

That is amazing! And wonderful!



Comment by starling310 on 04/30/2008 14:07:30
Will it stimulate the economy if I buy a new mountain bike? :scratchhead:

Comment by wickedpam on 04/30/2008 14:08:46
Quote by Raine:

40 years ago? they filmed Jimi 40 years ago? What the hell kind of camera was used?






High 8 I think.

Comment by BobR on 04/30/2008 14:09:00
Quote by Raine:

40 years ago? they filmed Jimi 40 years ago? What the hell kind of camera was used?


My dad had an 8mm film camera in the 60's...

Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/30/2008 14:10:54
good morning!

Comment by livingonli on 04/30/2008 14:11:47
Quote by starling310:

Quote by livingonli:

A belated good morning everyone. I was listening but a little sluggish this morning.



Yeah, I am a perfect example of how well the Bush policies have done for the economy.



And speaking of fees, driving down to DC, it seems like every so many miles I had to stop and pay a frickin' toll between the Verrazano and the Harbor Day Tunnel in Baltimore.




My trip to DC definitely changed my mind about Mass Transit. I used to be one of those "I will never give up my car" people. Now, I find myself wishing I lived in a community where I could travel by rail, cab, bus, bike, etc. . .



That is the drawback to living on Long Island is that you pretty much need the car to get around. While there is public transportation, it is really only viable if you want to go into New York City. Between the cost of gas and the aging of my car, I more and more wish I had a job in the city so I could take the train instead of drive. (Not to mention hopefully have something that pays more money).

Comment by livingonli on 04/30/2008 14:13:42
Good morning to Mala and j_d.

Comment by wickedpam on 04/30/2008 14:14:48
"me out" :spit:

Comment by wickedpam on 04/30/2008 14:16:33
Hey Liv and everyone!

Comment by livingonli on 04/30/2008 14:17:12
Those Australian Tories are Klassy with a K indeed.

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 14:19:06
So if we produced MORE oil, how is that going to make us more fossil fuel independent?









Comment by velveeta jones on 04/30/2008 14:19:52
Quote by Raine:

40 years ago? they filmed Jimi 40 years ago? What the hell kind of camera was used?


We DID have camera's 40 years ago darling. 8mm hand helds, Kodak Super 8's, even 16mm.



:lol:

Comment by livingonli on 04/30/2008 14:20:26
And if we drilled in ANWAR, it is believed that there is only a limited supply up there and after that is dried up, than what do we do?

Comment by TriSec on 04/30/2008 14:21:06
I'm such a putz; the 70 bus (Main Street, Waltham) goes door-to-door from my house to Athena. Think I ride it?



But it is bicycle season for me now, and I am on record with several folks that if gas prices continue on, I'm buying the necessary gear and will pursue riding year-round.





Comment by velveeta jones on 04/30/2008 14:22:48
that's so cute! You and your lady friend. :P



I'll tell you a secret, everyone else (including Stan) don't read!



{ When I started dating Aunt Azalea, I was still pretty conservative. What little I cared about politics could fit in a bottle cap. Aunt Azalea patiently "schooled" me. }





Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 14:23:02
Quote by starling310:

Will it stimulate the economy if I buy a new mountain bike? :scratchhead:
it will make you more energy independent!







Comment by velveeta jones on 04/30/2008 14:23:31
Quote by livingonli:

And if we drilled in ANWAR, it is believed that there is only a limited supply up there and after that is dried up, than what do we do?






Theme park?

Comment by wickedpam on 04/30/2008 14:23:37
Okay all these oil companies keep saying they are investing their 'ugh profits into research for alternative fuels. If that were true wouldn't we have these alt fuels by now? I mean even if they are investing 1Billon of their profit, shouldn't we be farther along then we are?

Comment by wickedpam on 04/30/2008 14:24:39
Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by livingonli:

And if we drilled in ANWAR, it is believed that there is only a limited supply up there and after that is dried up, than what do we do?






Theme park?






The first every ice roller coaster?



Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 14:24:43
Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by Raine:

40 years ago? they filmed Jimi 40 years ago? What the hell kind of camera was used?


We DID have camera's 40 years ago darling. 8mm hand helds, Kodak Super 8's, even 16mm.



:lol:
I was having visions of Panavision camera's and booms and best boys and stuff like that !



Comment by livingonli on 04/30/2008 14:25:15
Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by livingonli:

And if we drilled in ANWAR, it is believed that there is only a limited supply up there and after that is dried up, than what do we do?






Theme park?


A memorial to the Alaskan Wildlife that was made extinct possibly.

Comment by starling310 on 04/30/2008 14:25:45
Quote by velveeta jones:

that's so cute! You and your lady friend. :P



I'll tell you a secret, everyone else (including Stan) don't read!



{ When I started dating Aunt Azalea, I was still pretty conservative. What little I cared about politics could fit in a bottle cap. Aunt Azalea patiently "schooled" me. }







Aww....see!





hi stan.

Comment by Raine on 04/30/2008 14:25:48
:rofl: Brown Chicken Brown cow!

Comment by livingonli on 04/30/2008 14:27:23
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by livingonli:

And if we drilled in ANWAR, it is believed that there is only a limited supply up there and after that is dried up, than what do we do?






Theme park?






The first every ice roller coaster?



Which melted as a result of global warming.