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Never Forget
Author: BobR
Date: 2013-09-12 11:29:30
Just over a week ago, we celebrated Labor Day with a 3-day weekend, cookouts, and maybe one last trip to the beach or maybe the neighborhood swimming pool. The day before yesterday, the president spoke about Syria. Yesterday was the 12th anniversary of 9/11. What could these things possibly have in common?
If you ventured outside your house and/or watched anything on TV or surfed in the internet yesterday, you were likely bombarded with two words: Never Forget. Once again the photos of the twin towers burning or videos of them collapsing and that horrible white cloud spreading out like the Angel of Death's wings were plastered across our screens. Some call it tragedy porn. It is wallowing in the emotions we felt at the time, picking at the scars just to remember the blood.
What "never forgot" really means to a lot of people is remember the fear and hatred and desire for vengeance. How many people will never forget the lies that were told to send thousands of young Americans to their deaths in Iraq? We Support the Troops, they say, but they never asked for retribution from those who cooked the intelligence into that deadly stew.
It's only when there's talk of military action in another country that the lies from the previous president and his cabal are remembered. Even with that, the mistrust for this president overpowers the very real facts of the previous administrations deliberate lies. We don't want to get into another mess, but let's not dwell on who created the first one and why, and oh by the way - Support the Troops!™ Never Forget!™
America has certainly forgotten the history of Labor Day as well. They've forgotten the struggles the unions went through to improve workplace safety, to secure a reasonable work week, and to ensure that employees were treated fairly by management. A 3 day weekend at the beginning of September is a given, as if it just happened on its own and is a birthright for all Americans. The unions and the laws that sprung up around them due to their labor and steadfast resolve created the middle class in America.
Yet propaganda created by the rich have made union a dirty word. We love our teachers and cops and firemen, but hate their unions. We blame the unions for the loss of jobs, while simultaneously giving tax breaks to the rich because they are the "job creators". Except... well... they really aren't creating many jobs. And all that money just just keeps floating uphill to them:
What happened in the 1980s? Ronald Reagan was president, and began selling the idea of "supply-side" economics, also known "trickle-down" economics, also known as "voodoo economics". It's the notion that tax breaks for the rich will create jobs - hence the "job creators" idea that's still being sold to the gullible.
America has forgotten the blood, sweat, and tears of those labor union members so many years ago who led us down the path to prosperity, but yet they've let the architects of the Iraq War walk away from their culpability, and instead embraced the marketing of a terrorist attack, and an economic theory that continues to prove itself insane. The trick of the pickpocket is to distract. As America is reminded to relive its pain yet again, and blames "others" for their economic malaise, its pocket gets picked by those who can afford to pull our strings with media.
What we are remembering and forgetting seem to be helping those with the money. Funny, that....
If you ventured outside your house and/or watched anything on TV or surfed in the internet yesterday, you were likely bombarded with two words: Never Forget. Once again the photos of the twin towers burning or videos of them collapsing and that horrible white cloud spreading out like the Angel of Death's wings were plastered across our screens. Some call it tragedy porn. It is wallowing in the emotions we felt at the time, picking at the scars just to remember the blood.
What "never forgot" really means to a lot of people is remember the fear and hatred and desire for vengeance. How many people will never forget the lies that were told to send thousands of young Americans to their deaths in Iraq? We Support the Troops, they say, but they never asked for retribution from those who cooked the intelligence into that deadly stew.
It's only when there's talk of military action in another country that the lies from the previous president and his cabal are remembered. Even with that, the mistrust for this president overpowers the very real facts of the previous administrations deliberate lies. We don't want to get into another mess, but let's not dwell on who created the first one and why, and oh by the way - Support the Troops!™ Never Forget!™
America has certainly forgotten the history of Labor Day as well. They've forgotten the struggles the unions went through to improve workplace safety, to secure a reasonable work week, and to ensure that employees were treated fairly by management. A 3 day weekend at the beginning of September is a given, as if it just happened on its own and is a birthright for all Americans. The unions and the laws that sprung up around them due to their labor and steadfast resolve created the middle class in America.
Yet propaganda created by the rich have made union a dirty word. We love our teachers and cops and firemen, but hate their unions. We blame the unions for the loss of jobs, while simultaneously giving tax breaks to the rich because they are the "job creators". Except... well... they really aren't creating many jobs. And all that money just just keeps floating uphill to them:
The gulf between the richest 1 percent and the rest of America is the widest it's been since the Roaring '20s.
The very wealthiest Americans earned more than 19 percent of the country's household income last year — their biggest share since 1928, the year before the stock market crash. And the top 10 percent captured a record 48.2 percent of total earnings last year.
[...]
The gap between rich and poor narrowed after World War II as unions negotiated better pay and benefits and as the government enacted a minimum wage and other policies to help the poor and middle class.
The top 1 percent's share of income bottomed out at 7.7 percent in 1973 and has risen steadily since the early 1980s, according to the analysis.
What happened in the 1980s? Ronald Reagan was president, and began selling the idea of "supply-side" economics, also known "trickle-down" economics, also known as "voodoo economics". It's the notion that tax breaks for the rich will create jobs - hence the "job creators" idea that's still being sold to the gullible.
America has forgotten the blood, sweat, and tears of those labor union members so many years ago who led us down the path to prosperity, but yet they've let the architects of the Iraq War walk away from their culpability, and instead embraced the marketing of a terrorist attack, and an economic theory that continues to prove itself insane. The trick of the pickpocket is to distract. As America is reminded to relive its pain yet again, and blames "others" for their economic malaise, its pocket gets picked by those who can afford to pull our strings with media.
What we are remembering and forgetting seem to be helping those with the money. Funny, that....
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 13:01:26
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 13:01:26
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/12/2013 13:09:21
wickedpam on 09/12/2013 13:09:21
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 09/12/2013 13:10:22
Raine on 09/12/2013 13:10:22
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 13:11:25
<---carrot bits 
Well done, Raine! Well done indeed!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 13:11:25
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Good morning. Queue the right wing freak out in 3...2...1...
<---carrot bits Well done, Raine! Well done indeed!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 13:16:18
Thank you!
Raine on 09/12/2013 13:16:18
Thank you!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 13:17:06
Raine on 09/12/2013 13:17:06
Zimmerman HAD A GUN. I posted a link to the video yesterday. HE dropped the gun on the street before the cops cuffed him.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 13:19:19
What does it take for him to have his carry right canceled? Right now unless he's convicted of a felony Florida won't do shit.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 13:19:19
Quote by Raine:
Zimmerman HAD A GUN. I posted a link to the video yesterday. HE dropped the gun on the street before the cops cuffed him.
What does it take for him to have his carry right canceled? Right now unless he's convicted of a felony Florida won't do shit.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 13:21:46
Raine on 09/12/2013 13:21:46
Putin Op-Ed in 1999 title: Why We Must Act
You know that small little problem with Chechnya? YEah... he wanted to take care of that pesky problem with force.
Puting Today : A Plea for Caution From Russia Now he's a damn dove. >D
You know that small little problem with Chechnya? YEah... he wanted to take care of that pesky problem with force.
Puting Today : A Plea for Caution From Russia Now he's a damn dove. >D
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 13:22:52
I think we both know the very sad answer to that.
Part of me believes that His estranged wife might have saved lives by calling 911.
Raine on 09/12/2013 13:22:52
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Zimmerman HAD A GUN. I posted a link to the video yesterday. HE dropped the gun on the street before the cops cuffed him.
What does it take for him to have his carry right canceled? Right now unless he's convicted of a felony Florida won't do shit.
Part of me believes that His estranged wife might have saved lives by calling 911.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 13:41:04
Raine on 09/12/2013 13:41:04
And you can bet your ass I am pissed that PUTIN is trying to tell America about morality.
PHUCK PUTIN.
PHUCK PUTIN.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 14:06:54
Yeah, pretty much my reaction.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 14:06:54
Quote by Raine:
And you can bet your ass I am pissed that PUTIN is trying to tell America about morality.
PHUCK PUTIN.
Yeah, pretty much my reaction.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 14:09:11
But that was strictly an internal problem in Chechnya. :wide innocent:
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 14:09:11
Quote by Raine:
Putin Op-Ed in 1999 title: Why We Must Act
You know that small little problem with Chechnya? YEah... he wanted to take care of that pesky problem with force.
Puting Today : A Plea for Caution From Russia Now he's a damn dove. >D
But that was strictly an internal problem in Chechnya. :wide innocent:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 14:24:43
Speaking of Zimmermann and his access to guns...
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 14:24:43
Quote by Raine:I think we both know the very sad answer to that.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Zimmerman HAD A GUN. I posted a link to the video yesterday. HE dropped the gun on the street before the cops cuffed him.
What does it take for him to have his carry right canceled? Right now unless he's convicted of a felony Florida won't do shit.
Part of me believes that His estranged wife might have saved lives by calling 911.
Speaking of Zimmermann and his access to guns...
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/12/2013 14:33:30
TriSec on 09/12/2013 14:33:30
Mondo, isn't legal precedent in Florida now a variation of the following?
BANG! BANG!
(body falls to earth).
"I"m sorry officer, but He started it!!"
"OK, have a nice day."
BANG! BANG!
(body falls to earth).
"I"m sorry officer, but He started it!!"
"OK, have a nice day."
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 14:49:46
The cops at this point are enabling him.
HE HAD A DAMN GUN.
And -- from what I understand -- charges could be filed even though his estranged wife and her father chose not to.
The man is a ticking time bomb..
Raine on 09/12/2013 14:49:46
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I think we both know the very sad answer to that.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Zimmerman HAD A GUN. I posted a link to the video yesterday. HE dropped the gun on the street before the cops cuffed him.
What does it take for him to have his carry right canceled? Right now unless he's convicted of a felony Florida won't do shit.
Part of me believes that His estranged wife might have saved lives by calling 911.
Speaking of Zimmermann and his access to guns...
HE HAD A DAMN GUN.
And -- from what I understand -- charges could be filed even though his estranged wife and her father chose not to.
The man is a ticking time bomb..
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 14:50:47
Raine on 09/12/2013 14:50:47
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2013 14:51:33
As he is now?
wickedpam on 09/12/2013 14:51:33
Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 14:55:51
We need 100 racist, bigoted assholes who are rotting in Hell in the Senate? Ted, you are a giant tool. Eff you!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 14:55:51
Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
We need 100 racist, bigoted assholes who are rotting in Hell in the Senate? Ted, you are a giant tool. Eff you!
Comment by 
BobR on 09/12/2013 14:58:01
BobR on 09/12/2013 14:58:01
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 14:58:57
Raine on 09/12/2013 14:58:57
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 14:59:31
ZOMBIE HELMS!
Raine on 09/12/2013 14:59:31
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 15:03:58
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 15:03:58
Quote by Raine:ZOMBIE HELMS!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 15:06:34
Would Zombie Helms only eat the brains of white people?
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 15:06:34
Quote by Raine:ZOMBIE HELMS!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
Would Zombie Helms only eat the brains of white people?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2013 15:07:22
I see we were having a shared brain moment
wickedpam on 09/12/2013 15:07:22
Quote by Raine:ZOMBIE HELMS!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
I see we were having a shared brain moment
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2013 15:35:29
no pun intended
BobR on 09/12/2013 15:35:29
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:ZOMBIE HELMS!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
I see we were having a shared brain moment
no pun intended
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2013 15:37:54
TriSec on 09/12/2013 15:37:54
In other news, I'm a bit bemused by my new Committee Chairman. (Pack 205). He had a tough time dealing with last year's Cubmaster...we've had all our meetings and everything is all ready for recruiting kickoff on Monday and our first meeting next week.
He's called me every day this week with something, it's gone kinda like this:
Did we call xyz? Yep, spoke to him yesterday, it's all set.
Don't forget to do "this"! We're ready, another leader is doing that.
Can we get into this place? I"m waiting to hear back; I emailed them last night.
The flyers are all messed up! I talked to Joe at District - he's printing new ones and will even deliver them.
I'm ready!
He's called me every day this week with something, it's gone kinda like this:
Did we call xyz? Yep, spoke to him yesterday, it's all set.
Don't forget to do "this"! We're ready, another leader is doing that.
Can we get into this place? I"m waiting to hear back; I emailed them last night.
The flyers are all messed up! I talked to Joe at District - he's printing new ones and will even deliver them.
I'm ready!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2013 15:40:44
wickedpam on 09/12/2013 15:40:44
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:ZOMBIE HELMS!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
I see we were having a shared brain moment
no pun intended
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/12/2013 15:45:18
We can get away with that here, unlike some of those Objectivist Zombie blogs where they don't believe in sharing..
Scoopster on 09/12/2013 15:45:18
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:ZOMBIE HELMS!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
I see we were having a shared brain moment
no pun intended
We can get away with that here, unlike some of those Objectivist Zombie blogs where they don't believe in sharing..
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2013 15:46:36
TriSec on 09/12/2013 15:46:36
"All Politics is Local", V4 I think.
I finally connected with my neighbor's campaign in full last night. I phone banked for a while, and will hopefully get out and canvas for a bit Sunday. I'm also on the social media team; I will be writing numerous letters to the editor and posting stuff to Twitter and the Book of Face.
Pity none of you are in my District, but vote for Peter anyway!
I finally connected with my neighbor's campaign in full last night. I phone banked for a while, and will hopefully get out and canvas for a bit Sunday. I'm also on the social media team; I will be writing numerous letters to the editor and posting stuff to Twitter and the Book of Face.
Pity none of you are in my District, but vote for Peter anyway!
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/12/2013 15:49:23
livingonli on 09/12/2013 15:49:23
Good morning, folks. Zombie Helms would want segregated brain counters.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2013 15:50:05
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2013 15:50:05
Good morning, bloggers!!! I hope that everyone is well.
I had a busy day Tuesday, as I had to take a 92-year old friend to the hospital for constipation and chest congestion. It turns out that he had bronchitis and should be getting out today. However, I was at the hospital from 3:30 PM to 2:00 AM, as it took till 12:30 AM to get a room and then I waited until a nurse supervisor could put his valuables way and left the hospital after 2 AM. I grabbed something to eat from Wendy's and got home just before 3 AM.
Yesterday was a quiet day for me. I find myself to be sad and contemplative on each anniversary.
BobR, I fear that many of us have forgotten our history. We are back to Gilded Age conditions economically and we have those who want blood and empire. It is time that we move beyond this as a nation. Perhaps the dispute over Syria will show that Americans can be engaged in complex issues.
I had a busy day Tuesday, as I had to take a 92-year old friend to the hospital for constipation and chest congestion. It turns out that he had bronchitis and should be getting out today. However, I was at the hospital from 3:30 PM to 2:00 AM, as it took till 12:30 AM to get a room and then I waited until a nurse supervisor could put his valuables way and left the hospital after 2 AM. I grabbed something to eat from Wendy's and got home just before 3 AM.
Yesterday was a quiet day for me. I find myself to be sad and contemplative on each anniversary.
BobR, I fear that many of us have forgotten our history. We are back to Gilded Age conditions economically and we have those who want blood and empire. It is time that we move beyond this as a nation. Perhaps the dispute over Syria will show that Americans can be engaged in complex issues.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 16:00:03
Raine, I didn't know Zimmerman had been charged with battering a police officer back in 2005.
Yep, he is a ticking time bomb.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 16:00:03
Quote by Raine:The cops at this point are enabling him.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I think we both know the very sad answer to that.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Zimmerman HAD A GUN. I posted a link to the video yesterday. HE dropped the gun on the street before the cops cuffed him.
What does it take for him to have his carry right canceled? Right now unless he's convicted of a felony Florida won't do shit.
Part of me believes that His estranged wife might have saved lives by calling 911.
Speaking of Zimmermann and his access to guns...
HE HAD A DAMN GUN.
And -- from what I understand -- charges could be filed even though his estranged wife and her father chose not to.
The man is a ticking time bomb..
Raine, I didn't know Zimmerman had been charged with battering a police officer back in 2005.
Zimmerman is a perfect example of this. In 2005, the same year he faced felony charges for battering a police officer, Zimmerman was subject to a temporary restraining order after his ex-fiancée accused him of striking, shoving and groping her on several occasions. During the duration of the order, Zimmerman was prohibited from owning or purchasing firearms. But after it expired in 2006, he was once again eligible to possess a gun — and obtain a concealed carry permit.
Yep, he is a ticking time bomb.
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2013 16:02:21
He's already gone off once.
BobR on 09/12/2013 16:02:21
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:The cops at this point are enabling him.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I think we both know the very sad answer to that.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Zimmerman HAD A GUN. I posted a link to the video yesterday. HE dropped the gun on the street before the cops cuffed him.
What does it take for him to have his carry right canceled? Right now unless he's convicted of a felony Florida won't do shit.
Part of me believes that His estranged wife might have saved lives by calling 911.
Speaking of Zimmermann and his access to guns...
HE HAD A DAMN GUN.
And -- from what I understand -- charges could be filed even though his estranged wife and her father chose not to.
The man is a ticking time bomb..
Raine, I didn't know Zimmerman had been charged with battering a police officer back in 2005.Zimmerman is a perfect example of this. In 2005, the same year he faced felony charges for battering a police officer, Zimmerman was subject to a temporary restraining order after his ex-fiancée accused him of striking, shoving and groping her on several occasions. During the duration of the order, Zimmerman was prohibited from owning or purchasing firearms. But after it expired in 2006, he was once again eligible to possess a gun — and obtain a concealed carry permit.
Yep, he is a ticking time bomb.
He's already gone off once.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2013 16:05:48
wickedpam on 09/12/2013 16:05:48
Don't you just love it when for the past 3 days you shoved all your work aside to take care of an event that a certain manager who decided to change it from an indoor to outdoor so I had to scramble to get 2 bids from rental places (which is difficult when places won't call you back). Then today he tell you something is wrong with a printer you have no clue about so you direct them to the correct person and he still tells you to deal with. THEN he goes and bitches to the person you told him could help him that I don't take care of what he wants.
I'm so pissed I'm about to cry.
I'm so pissed I'm about to cry.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 16:21:07
You beat me to that
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 16:21:07
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:The cops at this point are enabling him.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I think we both know the very sad answer to that.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Zimmerman HAD A GUN. I posted a link to the video yesterday. HE dropped the gun on the street before the cops cuffed him.
What does it take for him to have his carry right canceled? Right now unless he's convicted of a felony Florida won't do shit.
Part of me believes that His estranged wife might have saved lives by calling 911.
Speaking of Zimmermann and his access to guns...
HE HAD A DAMN GUN.
And -- from what I understand -- charges could be filed even though his estranged wife and her father chose not to.
The man is a ticking time bomb..
Raine, I didn't know Zimmerman had been charged with battering a police officer back in 2005.Zimmerman is a perfect example of this. In 2005, the same year he faced felony charges for battering a police officer, Zimmerman was subject to a temporary restraining order after his ex-fiancée accused him of striking, shoving and groping her on several occasions. During the duration of the order, Zimmerman was prohibited from owning or purchasing firearms. But after it expired in 2006, he was once again eligible to possess a gun — and obtain a concealed carry permit.
Yep, he is a ticking time bomb.
He's already gone off once.
You beat me to that
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2013 16:27:00
Scoopster on 09/12/2013 16:27:00
Why the fuck didn't the prosecution bring up any of this HISTORY OF VIOLENCE AND DISOBEDIENCE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT at the Trayvon Martin trial?!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2013 16:30:25
I'm tempted to write a review that says 'DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!'
Scoopster on 09/12/2013 16:30:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
Pollo Hermanos on Yelp.
I'm tempted to write a review that says 'DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!'
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 16:33:03
That's right. The fiancee had a restraining order AND he accosted an officer -- nd he got a fucking gun back and killed a kid. Now this, coupled with his recent speeding issues and *stuff*
And then there is the whole other issue of this.
Raine on 09/12/2013 16:33:03
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:The cops at this point are enabling him.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I think we both know the very sad answer to that.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Zimmerman HAD A GUN. I posted a link to the video yesterday. HE dropped the gun on the street before the cops cuffed him.
What does it take for him to have his carry right canceled? Right now unless he's convicted of a felony Florida won't do shit.
Part of me believes that His estranged wife might have saved lives by calling 911.
Speaking of Zimmermann and his access to guns...
HE HAD A DAMN GUN.
And -- from what I understand -- charges could be filed even though his estranged wife and her father chose not to.
The man is a ticking time bomb..
Raine, I didn't know Zimmerman had been charged with battering a police officer back in 2005.Zimmerman is a perfect example of this. In 2005, the same year he faced felony charges for battering a police officer, Zimmerman was subject to a temporary restraining order after his ex-fiancée accused him of striking, shoving and groping her on several occasions. During the duration of the order, Zimmerman was prohibited from owning or purchasing firearms. But after it expired in 2006, he was once again eligible to possess a gun — and obtain a concealed carry permit.
Yep, he is a ticking time bomb.
And then there is the whole other issue of this.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 16:34:24
Well played.
Raine on 09/12/2013 16:34:24
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning, folks. Zombie Helms would want segregated brain counters.
Well played.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2013 16:35:46
TriSec on 09/12/2013 16:35:46
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 16:36:41
It was ruled not relevant to the crime?
I'll never for the life of me understand why.
The man was allowed to walk away from a murder.
Raine on 09/12/2013 16:36:41
Quote by Scoopster:
Why the fuck didn't the prosecution bring up any of this HISTORY OF VIOLENCE AND DISOBEDIENCE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT at the Trayvon Martin trial?!
I'll never for the life of me understand why.
The man was allowed to walk away from a murder.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 16:39:31
Have you see the movie Horrible Bosses yet?
I could prove to be cathartic for you...
Raine on 09/12/2013 16:39:31
Quote by wickedpam:
Don't you just love it when for the past 3 days you shoved all your work aside to take care of an event that a certain manager who decided to change it from an indoor to outdoor so I had to scramble to get 2 bids from rental places (which is difficult when places won't call you back). Then today he tell you something is wrong with a printer you have no clue about so you direct them to the correct person and he still tells you to deal with. THEN he goes and bitches to the person you told him could help him that I don't take care of what he wants.
I'm so pissed I'm about to cry.
Have you see the movie Horrible Bosses yet?
I could prove to be cathartic for you...
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 16:41:55
Eliminating Government-funded Oil-painting, or EGO?
I'd like to see EGOP
Eliminate Grand Old Party
Raine on 09/12/2013 16:41:55
Quote by TriSec:
I don't buy their explanation. It's just the Republicans attacking art. Again.
I'd like to see EGOP
Eliminate Grand Old Party
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2013 16:42:01
My friend zosi has been chewing me a new asshole for the past hour arguing exactly that - the history of threatening & harassing his wife with a gun, and beating her, and battering & disobeying cops somehow has no relevance to the fact that he stalked someone, disobeyed law enforcement to confront & harass that person with a gun, then CLAIMS to have ended up in a brawl with that person that led to that person's death by his gun.
No, no relevance at all.
Scoopster on 09/12/2013 16:42:01
Quote by Raine:It was ruled not relevant to the crime?Quote by Scoopster:
Why the fuck didn't the prosecution bring up any of this HISTORY OF VIOLENCE AND DISOBEDIENCE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT at the Trayvon Martin trial?!
I'll never for the life of me understand why.
The man was allowed to walk away from a murder.
My friend zosi has been chewing me a new asshole for the past hour arguing exactly that - the history of threatening & harassing his wife with a gun, and beating her, and battering & disobeying cops somehow has no relevance to the fact that he stalked someone, disobeyed law enforcement to confront & harass that person with a gun, then CLAIMS to have ended up in a brawl with that person that led to that person's death by his gun.
No, no relevance at all.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 16:45:57
Another WELL PLAYED moment.
Raine on 09/12/2013 16:45:57
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:ZOMBIE HELMS!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
From the good Dr, Maddow:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) declared yesterday, "We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate."
As he is now?
I see we were having a shared brain moment
no pun intended
We can get away with that here, unlike some of those Objectivist Zombie blogs where they don't believe in sharing..
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2013 16:46:10
As I understand it, they were required to only take into account what happened after the scuffle started. That is the nature of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later law.
BobR on 09/12/2013 16:46:10
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:It was ruled not relevant to the crime?Quote by Scoopster:
Why the fuck didn't the prosecution bring up any of this HISTORY OF VIOLENCE AND DISOBEDIENCE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT at the Trayvon Martin trial?!
I'll never for the life of me understand why.
The man was allowed to walk away from a murder.
My friend zosi has been chewing me a new asshole for the past hour arguing exactly that - the history of threatening & harassing his wife with a gun, and beating her, and battering & disobeying cops somehow has no relevance to the fact that he stalked someone, disobeyed law enforcement to confront & harass that person with a gun, then CLAIMS to have ended up in a brawl with that person that led to that person's death by his gun.
No, no relevance at all.
As I understand it, they were required to only take into account what happened after the scuffle started. That is the nature of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later law.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2013 16:51:13
That's my understanding as well. It's terrible.
As I said below, I think his estranged wife may have saved lives yesterday. I think her safety is temporary.
The cops CLEARLY treated him as a threat when they arrived at the scene.
Raine on 09/12/2013 16:51:13
Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:It was ruled not relevant to the crime?Quote by Scoopster:
Why the fuck didn't the prosecution bring up any of this HISTORY OF VIOLENCE AND DISOBEDIENCE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT at the Trayvon Martin trial?!
I'll never for the life of me understand why.
The man was allowed to walk away from a murder.
My friend zosi has been chewing me a new asshole for the past hour arguing exactly that - the history of threatening & harassing his wife with a gun, and beating her, and battering & disobeying cops somehow has no relevance to the fact that he stalked someone, disobeyed law enforcement to confront & harass that person with a gun, then CLAIMS to have ended up in a brawl with that person that led to that person's death by his gun.
No, no relevance at all.
As I understand it, they were required to only take into account what happened after the scuffle started. That is the nature of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later law.
As I said below, I think his estranged wife may have saved lives yesterday. I think her safety is temporary.
The cops CLEARLY treated him as a threat when they arrived at the scene.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 16:55:01
His past history with the law was excluded from the trial. It would have been prejudicial in the case.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2013 16:55:01
Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:It was ruled not relevant to the crime?Quote by Scoopster:
Why the fuck didn't the prosecution bring up any of this HISTORY OF VIOLENCE AND DISOBEDIENCE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT at the Trayvon Martin trial?!
I'll never for the life of me understand why.
The man was allowed to walk away from a murder.
My friend zosi has been chewing me a new asshole for the past hour arguing exactly that - the history of threatening & harassing his wife with a gun, and beating her, and battering & disobeying cops somehow has no relevance to the fact that he stalked someone, disobeyed law enforcement to confront & harass that person with a gun, then CLAIMS to have ended up in a brawl with that person that led to that person's death by his gun.
No, no relevance at all.
As I understand it, they were required to only take into account what happened after the scuffle started. That is the nature of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later law.
His past history with the law was excluded from the trial. It would have been prejudicial in the case.