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Up or Down
Author: BobR
Date: 2013-10-03 11:07:42
Between 2005 and 2008, President Bush was trying to get some judicial nominees appointed. These need to be approved by the Senate. The Democrats in the Senate were not rubber-stamping them like the Republicans thought they should be. They were mired in hearings and committees, and the process was slow and deliberative. This riled the Republicans no end. The message from them was clear: Up or Down!... Up or Down!
Of course - that's what they demand when it's something they want. What happens when it's something they don't want? Well - we know the answer to THAT one - it's happening right now.
The Republican Speaker of the House has declared that he will not pass a clean spending bill. Every spending bill they've sent to the Senate has had one or more poison pill amendments, and the Senate strips them out, approves the "clean" version and sends it back to the House. The House could vote on the clean bill - there's nothing stopping them - except for the Speaker and a minority of extremist Republican House members.
We've been down this road before. At the beginning of the year, we were set to go over the fiscal cliff. The messy bills went back and forth between the two houses of Congress. We got to zero hour, got past zero hour, and then finally - a clean bill was put up for a vote in the House:
Ultimately, the clean version passed with bipartisan support. Of course - it was only a stop-gap measure, and later on we DID go over the "fiscal cliff".
Perhaps that's why Speaker Boehner won't put up a clean bill this time for an Up or Down Vote - he knows it would pass. Many Republican lawmakers are already feeling the heat from constituents:
Some - including Rob Wittman of VA - have openly said they'd like to vote for a clean bill, but they are being denied the opportunity. Just like in January, there are enough reasonable Republicans to vote for a clean bill along with Democrats that it would pass, and everyone could get back to work.
C'mon Speaker Boehner - Up or Down... Up or Down...
Of course - that's what they demand when it's something they want. What happens when it's something they don't want? Well - we know the answer to THAT one - it's happening right now.
The Republican Speaker of the House has declared that he will not pass a clean spending bill. Every spending bill they've sent to the Senate has had one or more poison pill amendments, and the Senate strips them out, approves the "clean" version and sends it back to the House. The House could vote on the clean bill - there's nothing stopping them - except for the Speaker and a minority of extremist Republican House members.
We've been down this road before. At the beginning of the year, we were set to go over the fiscal cliff. The messy bills went back and forth between the two houses of Congress. We got to zero hour, got past zero hour, and then finally - a clean bill was put up for a vote in the House:
The House’s final up-or-down vote on the Senate bill was due sometime after 11 p.m. Eastern time, according to CNN.
Prospects for passage remained uncertain, but the vote marked a step back from a plan Republicans voiced earlier to amend the Senate bill, a move which might have sunk the deal.
The Senate had approved the compromise bill in the wee hours of Tuesday morning, but after reviewing the details of the deal, many House Republicans said they could not support it because it does not include spending cuts.
Most notably, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said he could not support the agreement.
[...]
Republican leaders decided to poll their caucus members on two courses of action: One would amend the Senate bill and add spending cuts, but the second would be a vote on the clean version of the Senate plan.
Ultimately, the clean version passed with bipartisan support. Of course - it was only a stop-gap measure, and later on we DID go over the "fiscal cliff".
Perhaps that's why Speaker Boehner won't put up a clean bill this time for an Up or Down Vote - he knows it would pass. Many Republican lawmakers are already feeling the heat from constituents:
Lawmakers locked in a political stare-down Wednesday were buffeted by rising anger from across the nation about a partial government shutdown that ruined vacations, sapped businesses and closed military cemeteries as far away as France. Some on Capitol Hill ominously suggested the impasse might last for weeks, but a few Republicans seemed ready to blink.
Republican Rep. Peter King of New York accused tea party-backed lawmakers of trying to "hijack the party" and said he senses that a growing number of rank-and-file House Republicans — perhaps as many as a hundred — are tired of the shutdown that began Tuesday morning and will be meeting to look for a way out.
Some - including Rob Wittman of VA - have openly said they'd like to vote for a clean bill, but they are being denied the opportunity. Just like in January, there are enough reasonable Republicans to vote for a clean bill along with Democrats that it would pass, and everyone could get back to work.
C'mon Speaker Boehner - Up or Down... Up or Down...
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Comment by 
Raine on 10/03/2013 12:10:14
Good morning.
That says it all.
Raine on 10/03/2013 12:10:14
Good morning. “We’re not going to be disrespected,†conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., [told the Washington Examiner]. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.â€
That says it all.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 12:31:20
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 12:31:20
Mornin' all.. 
Oh don't worry, Rep. Stutzman. You'll get something - I would be more specific but there are ladies present.
Oh screw it..
Oh don't worry, Rep. Stutzman. You'll get something - I would be more specific but there are ladies present.
Oh screw it..
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 12:35:03
Raine on 10/03/2013 12:35:03
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
Oh don't worry, Rep. Stutzman. You'll get something - I would be more specific but there are ladies present.
Oh screw it..
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 12:42:05
you know. he confuses me at times, but this letter reminded me why he is the leader of the senate.
This is the second time in a week he punched the gut of Boehner.
He embodies the phrase, 'Speak softly, and carry a big stick.'
Raine on 10/03/2013 12:42:05
Quote by Scoopster:
btw, don't piss off Harry fuckin' Reid! WOW!
This is the second time in a week he punched the gut of Boehner.
He embodies the phrase, 'Speak softly, and carry a big stick.'
Comment by 
BobR on 10/03/2013 13:10:00
Deja vu Newt Gingrich
BobR on 10/03/2013 13:10:00
Quote by Raine:
“We’re not going to be disrespected,†conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., [told the Washington Examiner]. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.â€
That says it all.
Deja vu Newt Gingrich
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 13:12:45
And then we have soon to be ex-congressthing Michelle Blechmann:
Raine on 10/03/2013 13:12:45
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
“We’re not going to be disrespected,†conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., [told the Washington Examiner]. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.â€
That says it all.
Deja vu Newt Gingrich
“This is about the happiest I’ve seen members in a long time because we’ve seen we’re starting to win this dialogue on a national level.â€
Comment by 
clintster on 10/03/2013 13:12:47
There was another quote by Stutzman from yesterday.
But don't you dare call them racists.
clintster on 10/03/2013 13:12:47
Quote by Raine:
“We’re not going to be disrespected,†conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., [told the Washington Examiner]. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.â€
That says it all.
There was another quote by Stutzman from yesterday.
But don't you dare call them racists.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 10/03/2013 13:19:54
trojanrabbit on 10/03/2013 13:19:54
Good morning.
Thanks for your support Raine.
As long as I sense Lucky wants to be around, I'll do the force-feedings and the fluid injections. If I notice he's stopped grooming himself, or he really turns on me when I approach him, that will be my signal he's had enough. For the time being, apart from the times I'm "assaulting" him, he's pretty much the same old Lucky. When I'm sitting down putting my shoes on before I go to work, he hops up beside me for some combings and love. When I see him on Mrs. Rabbit's rocking chair he rolls over on his back begging for tummy rubs. Open the balcony door and he's listening to the birdies. When those things don't mean anything to him, then it's time.
I've already given up cable partially because I was being forced to buy mostly inane tripe. It seems the "liberal mainstream MSM liberal media" is firmly attached to Kochknob. One nice thing about a digital tuner is that if you don't want to watch a station, you can delete it and voila, it doesn't exist. NBC may be the first to go that way if they don't get their lying assholes in line (do you hear me Fuckchuck Todd and Fuckdavid Gregory?). If my channel lineup consists solely of CBS (NFL), FOX (NFL only), MeTV and ThisTV, then so be it, fuck the rest.
Thanks for your support Raine.
As long as I sense Lucky wants to be around, I'll do the force-feedings and the fluid injections. If I notice he's stopped grooming himself, or he really turns on me when I approach him, that will be my signal he's had enough. For the time being, apart from the times I'm "assaulting" him, he's pretty much the same old Lucky. When I'm sitting down putting my shoes on before I go to work, he hops up beside me for some combings and love. When I see him on Mrs. Rabbit's rocking chair he rolls over on his back begging for tummy rubs. Open the balcony door and he's listening to the birdies. When those things don't mean anything to him, then it's time.
I've already given up cable partially because I was being forced to buy mostly inane tripe. It seems the "liberal mainstream MSM liberal media" is firmly attached to Kochknob. One nice thing about a digital tuner is that if you don't want to watch a station, you can delete it and voila, it doesn't exist. NBC may be the first to go that way if they don't get their lying assholes in line (do you hear me Fuckchuck Todd and Fuckdavid Gregory?). If my channel lineup consists solely of CBS (NFL), FOX (NFL only), MeTV and ThisTV, then so be it, fuck the rest.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/03/2013 13:21:10
I would think the major reason Blechmann's happy is that her investigation stops? Amirite?
trojanrabbit on 10/03/2013 13:21:10
Quote by Raine:And then we have soon to be ex-congressthing Michelle Blechmann:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
“We’re not going to be disrespected,†conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., [told the Washington Examiner]. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.â€
That says it all.
Deja vu Newt Gingrich“This is about the happiest I’ve seen members in a long time because we’ve seen we’re starting to win this dialogue on a national level.â€
I would think the major reason Blechmann's happy is that her investigation stops? Amirite?
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 13:23:37
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 13:23:37
What.. in the fuck @ that screencap?!
Whatever else happens today, it can't be ANY dumber than reading quotes from that guy.
Whatever else happens today, it can't be ANY dumber than reading quotes from that guy.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 13:28:03
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 13:28:03
I stand corrected.
The media, try as it may to ignore these stories, cannot ignore them. Democrats are putting their feet in their mouths and swallowing.
We are learning the President has a White House staff of 90 to take care of him and his family. Right now, only 15 people are there helping.
We’ve learned 93% of the EPA is considered non-essential.
We’ve learned 94% of the Department of Education is considered non-essential.
We’ve learned that after three years of trying, the government still cannot get a website going to register people for healthcare.
Comment by clintster on 10/03/2013 13:32:12
clintster on 10/03/2013 13:32:12
OK, so I went to healthcare.gov to see if I could get in. While waiting, I checked to see if I could apply for Medicaid. Georgia has not expanded Medicaid (of course, because fuck me) so I either need to hope for a job soon or blind myself, declare myself disabled or enter a nursing home.
Methinks even if the GOP gets some kind of concession regarding ACA and the shutdown, there's going to be a YUGE backlash against them for what their state government puppets have done to gum up the works.
Methinks even if the GOP gets some kind of concession regarding ACA and the shutdown, there's going to be a YUGE backlash against them for what their state government puppets have done to gum up the works.
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/03/2013 13:32:16
TriSec on 10/03/2013 13:32:16
Morning, comrades.
I'm impressed by the Tea Party Caucus these days. How big are they?
And with that limited power, they're holding 365 million people hostage.
Boenher clearly doesn't have one. (Out of the gutter - I mean backbone.) This would have never happened with a stronger "party" leader there.
I'm impressed by the Tea Party Caucus these days. How big are they?
And with that limited power, they're holding 365 million people hostage.
Boenher clearly doesn't have one. (Out of the gutter - I mean backbone.) This would have never happened with a stronger "party" leader there.
Comment by clintster on 10/03/2013 13:34:05
Don't worry, I'm sure the Tea Party Caucus will be there with sleeves rolled up topitch in the recovery efforts tell the landfall victims they need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps.
clintster on 10/03/2013 13:34:05
Quote by Raine:
Tropical Storm Karen. eep. this is the last thing we need.
Don't worry, I'm sure the Tea Party Caucus will be there with sleeves rolled up to
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 13:35:25
Raine on 10/03/2013 13:35:25
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 13:36:59
Raine on 10/03/2013 13:36:59
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 13:39:57
Clint, just curious, what's the feel on the ground in Georgia with this shutdown?
Do you think there will actually be backlash in the state?
Raine on 10/03/2013 13:39:57
Quote by clintster:
OK, so I went to healthcare.gov to see if I could get in. While waiting, I checked to see if I could apply for Medicaid. Georgia has not expanded Medicaid (of course, because fuck me) so I either need to hope for a job soon or blind myself, declare myself disabled or enter a nursing home.
Methinks even if the GOP gets some kind of concession regarding ACA and the shutdown, there's going to be a YUGE backlash against them for what their state government puppets have done to gum up the works.
Do you think there will actually be backlash in the state?
Comment by clintster on 10/03/2013 13:40:12
clintster on 10/03/2013 13:40:12
Newsbusters so desperately wants to be Media Matters for the right. Bless their hearts.
Comment by clintster on 10/03/2013 13:45:43
Seems like the feeling is divided along urban/rural lines, at least right now. I can see public opinion swerving against the GOP here if the shutdown continues.
clintster on 10/03/2013 13:45:43
Quote by Raine:Clint, just curious, what's the feel on the ground in Georgia with this shutdown?Quote by clintster:
OK, so I went to healthcare.gov to see if I could get in. While waiting, I checked to see if I could apply for Medicaid. Georgia has not expanded Medicaid (of course, because fuck me) so I either need to hope for a job soon or blind myself, declare myself disabled or enter a nursing home.
Methinks even if the GOP gets some kind of concession regarding ACA and the shutdown, there's going to be a YUGE backlash against them for what their state government puppets have done to gum up the works.
Do you think there will actually be backlash in the state?
Seems like the feeling is divided along urban/rural lines, at least right now. I can see public opinion swerving against the GOP here if the shutdown continues.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 13:46:44
Raine on 10/03/2013 13:46:44
Like I said yesterday (with regard to this caller having to go to work and not knowing if he is going to get paid) federal workers are just damn pawns in the GOP game.
Comment by clintster on 10/03/2013 13:46:52
From today's Augusta (GA) Chronicle, which is usually a more conservative paper than this.
clintster on 10/03/2013 13:46:52
From today's Augusta (GA) Chronicle, which is usually a more conservative paper than this.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 13:49:38
Woah.
Raine on 10/03/2013 13:49:38
Quote by clintster:
From today's Augusta (GA) Chronicle, which is usually a more conservative paper than this.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 13:56:10
You mean the Dirty Thirty? Charlie Pierce had profiles of the dumber members of the Tea Party Caucus in his "Esquire" blog. I have a link around here somewhere...
Oh here it is, "Meet the Morons Who Caused the Shutdown."
From the mouth of Jim Bridenstine:
He doesn't even know how government works! He is completely unaware of judicial review!
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 13:56:10
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades.
I'm impressed by the Tea Party Caucus these days. How big are they?
And with that limited power, they're holding 365 million people hostage.
Boenher clearly doesn't have one. (Out of the gutter - I mean backbone.) This would have never happened with a stronger "party" leader there.
You mean the Dirty Thirty? Charlie Pierce had profiles of the dumber members of the Tea Party Caucus in his "Esquire" blog. I have a link around here somewhere...
Oh here it is, "Meet the Morons Who Caused the Shutdown."
From the mouth of Jim Bridenstine:
Just because the Supreme Court rules on something doesn't necessarily mean that that's constitutional. What that means is that that's what they decided on that particular day given the makeup of the Court on that particular day. And the left in this country has done an extraordinary job of stacking the courts in their favor. So what we have to do as a body of Congress is say, "look, just because the courts" - and I hear this all the time from Republicans - they say that the court is the arbitrator and after the arbitration is done, that's the rules we have to live under and we can go forth and make legislation given those rules. That's not the case. A perfect example if Obamacare. Obamacare is not constitutional, the individual mandate.
He doesn't even know how government works! He is completely unaware of judicial review!
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 13:57:25
I hadn't even considered that... interesting.
Raine on 10/03/2013 13:57:25
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:And then we have soon to be ex-congressthing Michelle Blechmann:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
“We’re not going to be disrespected,†conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., [told the Washington Examiner]. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.â€
That says it all.
Deja vu Newt Gingrich“This is about the happiest I’ve seen members in a long time because we’ve seen we’re starting to win this dialogue on a national level.â€
I would think the major reason Blechmann's happy is that her investigation stops? Amirite?
Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 14:01:18
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 14:01:18
Morning
running through on my way to the store - be back in a bit!
running through on my way to the store - be back in a bit!
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 14:06:39
Raine on 10/03/2013 14:06:39
57 years in congress, Rep. John Dingell of Michigan:
"The American people would get better government out of Monkey Island at the local zoo than we're giving them today,"
Also, THIS:
Now, here's the deal -- if CORPORATE phucking AMERICA has a problem with the GOP we have a REALLY BIG PROBLEM. (sorry for all the caps.)
"The American people would get better government out of Monkey Island at the local zoo than we're giving them today,"
Also, THIS:
The stock market ended lower as Wall Street CEOs, Europe's central banker and traders pressed for a solution. Chief executives from the nation's biggest financial firms met Obama for more than an hour Wednesday, some of them plainly frustrated with the tactics at play in Congress and with the potential showdown coming over the debt limit.
"You can re-litigate these policy issues in a political forum, but we shouldn't use threats of causing the U.S. to fail on its obligations to repay its debt as a cudgel," Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, said after the meeting.
Now, here's the deal -- if CORPORATE phucking AMERICA has a problem with the GOP we have a REALLY BIG PROBLEM. (sorry for all the caps.)
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 14:14:32
heya scoop, took me a while but I found our audicon:
{ idiotic } <-for future reference.
Raine on 10/03/2013 14:14:32
Quote by Scoopster:
I stand corrected.The media, try as it may to ignore these stories, cannot ignore them. Democrats are putting their feet in their mouths and swallowing.
We are learning the President has a White House staff of 90 to take care of him and his family. Right now, only 15 people are there helping.
We’ve learned 93% of the EPA is considered non-essential.
We’ve learned 94% of the Department of Education is considered non-essential.
We’ve learned that after three years of trying, the government still cannot get a website going to register people for healthcare.
{ idiotic } <-for future reference.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 14:19:10
For some reason I haven't figured out yet (I suspect some setting in NoScript) audiocons don't ever show up for me.
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 14:19:10
Quote by Raine:
[ { idiotic } <-for future reference.
For some reason I haven't figured out yet (I suspect some setting in NoScript) audiocons don't ever show up for me.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 14:20:32
Raine on 10/03/2013 14:20:32
Because I love you all, use this link every time someone posts another stupid thing said by a teatard.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 14:20:58
The big problem with these tea party assholes is they are populist who don't trust gummit or big bidness. They don't care what the likes of Lloyd Blankfein have to say since they exist in a world that doesn't hear inputs for the reality based community. They are dangerous because the are true believers.
Since the House made a big deal out of doing away with earmarks, The Boner has almost nothing he can do to control these ass hats. I would hazard a guess that a good number of the clowns have little or no federally funded activity in their districts, so The Worst Speaker in History® can't turn off that spigot to keep them in line.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 14:20:58
Quote by Raine:
57 years in congress, Rep. John Dingell of Michigan:
"The American people would get better government out of Monkey Island at the local zoo than we're giving them today,"
Also, THIS:The stock market ended lower as Wall Street CEOs, Europe's central banker and traders pressed for a solution. Chief executives from the nation's biggest financial firms met Obama for more than an hour Wednesday, some of them plainly frustrated with the tactics at play in Congress and with the potential showdown coming over the debt limit.
"You can re-litigate these policy issues in a political forum, but we shouldn't use threats of causing the U.S. to fail on its obligations to repay its debt as a cudgel," Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, said after the meeting.
Now, here's the deal -- if CORPORATE phucking AMERICA has a problem with the GOP we have a REALLY BIG PROBLEM. (sorry for all the caps.)
The big problem with these tea party assholes is they are populist who don't trust gummit or big bidness. They don't care what the likes of Lloyd Blankfein have to say since they exist in a world that doesn't hear inputs for the reality based community. They are dangerous because the are true believers.
Since the House made a big deal out of doing away with earmarks, The Boner has almost nothing he can do to control these ass hats. I would hazard a guess that a good number of the clowns have little or no federally funded activity in their districts, so The Worst Speaker in History® can't turn off that spigot to keep them in line.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 14:21:23
I hope the link I just gave helps. it probably is a NoScript thing)
Raine on 10/03/2013 14:21:23
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
[ { idiotic } <-for future reference.
For some reason I haven't figured out yet (I suspect some setting in NoScript) audiocons don't ever show up for me.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 14:28:53
That's a great point, Mondo.
He can however, do the right thing.
He can ignore the damn non-binding Hastert rule and say fuckitall -- he might lose his speakership -- in return for his soul.
What I do not understand at this point, I really don't -- is that if these baggers (and the GOP as a whole) are really corporatists -- why are they ignoring the will of Wall Street? I'm not trying to be obstuse; The baggers were bought and paid for by the likes of the Koch brothers and the gang of Super pacs.
Is this a case of being a true believer of the hype? is it possibly the snake eating its tail?
Raine on 10/03/2013 14:28:53
Quote by Mondobubba:
The big problem with these tea party assholes is they are populist who don't trust gummit or big bidness. They don't care what the likes of Lloyd Blankfein have to say since they exist in a world that doesn't hear inputs for the reality based community. They are dangerous because the are true believers.
Since the House made a big deal out of doing away with earmarks, The Boner has almost nothing he can do to control these ass hats. I would hazard a guess that a good number of the clowns have little or no federally funded activity in their districts, so The Worst Speaker in History® can't turn off that spigot to keep them in line.
He can however, do the right thing.
He can ignore the damn non-binding Hastert rule and say fuckitall -- he might lose his speakership -- in return for his soul.
What I do not understand at this point, I really don't -- is that if these baggers (and the GOP as a whole) are really corporatists -- why are they ignoring the will of Wall Street? I'm not trying to be obstuse; The baggers were bought and paid for by the likes of the Koch brothers and the gang of Super pacs.
Is this a case of being a true believer of the hype? is it possibly the snake eating its tail?
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 14:43:43
I think that the Bagger rank and file (this includes members o' congress) don't view them as creatures of Freedomworks etc. They truly believe they are independent actors who aren't funded by the Koch brothers.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 14:43:43
Quote by Raine:That's a great point, Mondo.Quote by Mondobubba:
The big problem with these tea party assholes is they are populist who don't trust gummit or big bidness. They don't care what the likes of Lloyd Blankfein have to say since they exist in a world that doesn't hear inputs for the reality based community. They are dangerous because the are true believers.
Since the House made a big deal out of doing away with earmarks, The Boner has almost nothing he can do to control these ass hats. I would hazard a guess that a good number of the clowns have little or no federally funded activity in their districts, so The Worst Speaker in History® can't turn off that spigot to keep them in line.
He can however, do the right thing.
He can ignore the damn non-binding Hastert rule and say fuckitall -- he might lose his speakership -- in return for his soul.
What I do not understand at this point, I really don't -- is that if these baggers (and the GOP as a whole) are really corporatists -- why are they ignoring the will of Wall Street? I'm not trying to be obstuse; The baggers were bought and paid for by the likes of the Koch brothers and the gang of Super pacs.
Is this a case of being a true believer of the hype? is it possibly the snake eating its tail?
I think that the Bagger rank and file (this includes members o' congress) don't view them as creatures of Freedomworks etc. They truly believe they are independent actors who aren't funded by the Koch brothers.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 14:52:48
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 14:52:48
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 14:55:23
Pawns in their game.
And make no mistake -- what has been happening at the WW2 memorial is staged. they are now using WW2 vets to propagate the bullshit. let me see if I can dig up those links.
Raine on 10/03/2013 14:55:23
Quote by Scoopster:
Asshole.
Pawns in their game.
And make no mistake -- what has been happening at the WW2 memorial is staged. they are now using WW2 vets to propagate the bullshit. let me see if I can dig up those links.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 14:59:31
Yep I've got it.. That bint is truly shameless.
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 14:59:31
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
Asshole.
Pawns in their game.
And make no mistake -- what has been happening at the WW2 memorial is staged. they are now using WW2 vets to propagate the bullshit. let me see if I can dig up those links.
Yep I've got it.. That bint is truly shameless.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 15:00:17
Did you look at the comments? Disturbing Prince animated gifs
Oh and Walter White throwing a pizza on the roof.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 15:00:17
Quote by Scoopster:
Asshole.
Did you look at the comments? Disturbing Prince animated gifs
Oh and Walter White throwing a pizza on the roof.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 15:14:33
here.
Here.
and here.
And if that doesn't convince you, let us take a look a Palin political projection: (aka: PPP) They are horrible awesome terrible people.
They care so much about our WW2 vets that they don;t want to fund our nursing homes that need federal funding.
PIGS. EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM
Raine on 10/03/2013 15:14:33
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
Asshole.
Pawns in their game.
And make no mistake -- what has been happening at the WW2 memorial is staged. they are now using WW2 vets to propagate the bullshit. let me see if I can dig up those links.
Here.
and here.
And if that doesn't convince you, let us take a look a Palin political projection: (aka: PPP)
“My Call For Civil Disobedience Around The ‘Barrycades,’†Palin blamed President Barack Obama for shutting down the memorial and others as a publicity stunt.
“It’s beyond shameful to see Barack Obama disrespect and mistreat our World War II veterans so blatantly. Obama’s political stunt to ‘shut down’ their memorial by barricade is to elicit an angry response to generate bad publicity for people the president uses in his continual blame game,†Palin wrote on Wednesday.
Palin posted a link to a picture on Twitter of a single piece of fencing around the World War I memorial in contrast.
“The difference is obvious. There aren’t any World War I veterans alive today to mistreat in a shameful political stunt. He’s deployed more guards to bar our World War II heroes from their memorial than he sent to Benghazi when our consulate was under attack,†Palin said.
They care so much about our WW2 vets that they don;t want to fund our nursing homes that need federal funding.
PIGS. EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 15:17:46
OK, you did it in one link. 
Raine on 10/03/2013 15:17:46
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
Asshole.
Pawns in their game.
And make no mistake -- what has been happening at the WW2 memorial is staged. they are now using WW2 vets to propagate the bullshit. let me see if I can dig up those links.
Yep I've got it.. That bint is truly shameless.
Comment by BobR on 10/03/2013 15:21:09
the level of douchiness is matched only by the awesomeness of the comments
BobR on 10/03/2013 15:21:09
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Asshole.
Did you look at the comments? Disturbing Prince animated gifs
the level of douchiness is matched only by the awesomeness of the comments
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2013 15:23:16
TriSec on 10/03/2013 15:23:16
I'm telling you; I'm waiting for the first American to actually die because of the shutdown (if it hasn't happened already). I'd like to see the Republicans dodge that one.
(And I posted a link back about day one quoting a federal worker here at the JFK Building. To paraphrase: "I live paycheck to paycheck; I"m scared.")
Starving families, check.
Utilities being cut off, check.
Evictions, check.
Nice work, asshats.
(And I posted a link back about day one quoting a federal worker here at the JFK Building. To paraphrase: "I live paycheck to paycheck; I"m scared.")
Starving families, check.
Utilities being cut off, check.
Evictions, check.
Nice work, asshats.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 15:31:32
Raine on 10/03/2013 15:31:32
Not for nothing, but can we seriously stop saying that WW2 vets STORMED the memorial? They are WORLD WAR TWO VETS.
Some one had to say it. Sue me.
Some one had to say it. Sue me.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2013 15:33:54
to see Carol Burnett, cause that alone would be awesome, or to the Kennedy Center?
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 15:33:54
Quote by Raine:
I want to go to there.
to see Carol Burnett, cause that alone would be awesome, or to the Kennedy Center?
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 15:35:56
Burnett, Tina Fey, Maya Rudolph, Amy Pohler just to name a few.
and both, to answer your question. I SO WANT TO GO.
But at a cool grand a ticket, that ain't gonna happen.
Raine on 10/03/2013 15:35:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I want to go to there.
to see Carol Burnett, cause that alone would be awesome, or to the Kennedy Center?
and both, to answer your question. I SO WANT TO GO.
But at a cool grand a ticket, that ain't gonna happen.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 15:36:16
It is so easy for Sarah Palin to say stupid shit in her sub-Arctic Fortress of Evil. Here in the real world where people are being hurt it is a different matter.
I think I need to start a website called "Sarah Palin in the Heisenberg of Wasilia" where I say slanderous crap about her being the biggest meth dealer in Alaska.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 15:36:16
Quote by Raine:here.Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
Asshole.
Pawns in their game.
And make no mistake -- what has been happening at the WW2 memorial is staged. they are now using WW2 vets to propagate the bullshit. let me see if I can dig up those links.
Here.
and here.
And if that doesn't convince you, let us take a look a Palin political projection: (aka: PPP)They are horrible awesome terrible people.“My Call For Civil Disobedience Around The ‘Barrycades,’†Palin blamed President Barack Obama for shutting down the memorial and others as a publicity stunt.
“It’s beyond shameful to see Barack Obama disrespect and mistreat our World War II veterans so blatantly. Obama’s political stunt to ‘shut down’ their memorial by barricade is to elicit an angry response to generate bad publicity for people the president uses in his continual blame game,†Palin wrote on Wednesday.
Palin posted a link to a picture on Twitter of a single piece of fencing around the World War I memorial in contrast.
“The difference is obvious. There aren’t any World War I veterans alive today to mistreat in a shameful political stunt. He’s deployed more guards to bar our World War II heroes from their memorial than he sent to Benghazi when our consulate was under attack,†Palin said.
They care so much about our WW2 vets that they don;t want to fund our nursing homes that need federal funding.
PIGS. EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM
It is so easy for Sarah Palin to say stupid shit in her sub-Arctic Fortress of Evil. Here in the real world where people are being hurt it is a different matter.
I think I need to start a website called "Sarah Palin in the Heisenberg of Wasilia" where I say slanderous crap about her being the biggest meth dealer in Alaska.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2013 15:39:40
Knew it was a stunt the second the TOP said that some congress people help move the barriers. If they truly cared all they had to do was make a call, no this was a photo op
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 15:39:40
Quote by Raine:OK, you did it in one link.Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
Asshole.
Pawns in their game.
And make no mistake -- what has been happening at the WW2 memorial is staged. they are now using WW2 vets to propagate the bullshit. let me see if I can dig up those links.
Yep I've got it.. That bint is truly shameless.
Knew it was a stunt the second the TOP said that some congress people help move the barriers. If they truly cared all they had to do was make a call, no this was a photo op
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 15:42:11
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 15:42:11
This is a shining example of why I can't stand Alternet sometimes.
When talking about Barry Goldwater they don't mention where he stood on the Civil Rights Act, which was against since he thought the public accommodation provisions were an infringement on property rights. Just like Rand Fucking Paul. As to the scary war monger stuff, that ad they are alluding to air one time. Johnson was able to beat Goldwater like a rented army mule because of Goldwater's views on domestic issues, not foreign policy issues.
When talking about Barry Goldwater they don't mention where he stood on the Civil Rights Act, which was against since he thought the public accommodation provisions were an infringement on property rights. Just like Rand Fucking Paul. As to the scary war monger stuff, that ad they are alluding to air one time. Johnson was able to beat Goldwater like a rented army mule because of Goldwater's views on domestic issues, not foreign policy issues.
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2013 15:42:52
TriSec on 10/03/2013 15:42:52
Ah, and the email has just come out about the annual in-house Flu Clinics taking place next week. Like I said, my doctor finally convinced me to get one this year.
So, I am expecting an immediate anyphlactic reaction, followed by late onset autism, and then of course I'll get the flu anyway.
So, I am expecting an immediate anyphlactic reaction, followed by late onset autism, and then of course I'll get the flu anyway.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 15:43:12
Or you could blog one a week!
Raine on 10/03/2013 15:43:12
I think I need to start a website called "Sarah Palin in the Heisenberg of Wasilia" where I say slanderous crap about her being the biggest meth dealer in Alaska.
Or you could blog one a week!
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2013 15:44:01
TriSec on 10/03/2013 15:44:01
I moved barriers myself once on the National Mall. (yes, there are witnesses.) The army didn't like that much.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2013 15:44:06
You know you could volunteer to be a docent at the Kennedy
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 15:44:06
Quote by Raine:Burnett, Tina Fey, Maya Rudolph, Amy Pohler just to name a few.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I want to go to there.
to see Carol Burnett, cause that alone would be awesome, or to the Kennedy Center?
and both, to answer your question. I SO WANT TO GO.
But at a cool grand a ticket, that ain't gonna happen.
You know you could volunteer to be a docent at the Kennedy
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 15:51:10
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 15:51:10
Ah shit.. friend of mine back in CT is a contractor at Sikorsky Aircraft. He's getting furloughed. 
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 15:56:00
Um, Tri. We call that "The Mall." Calling it the "National Mall" makes you look like tourist.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 15:56:00
Quote by TriSec:
I moved barriers myself once on the National Mall. (yes, there are witnesses.) The army didn't like that much.
Um, Tri. We call that "The Mall." Calling it the "National Mall" makes you look like tourist.
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2013 15:57:09
Mmm...that doesn't wash. What does he do for them? Anything on the production line is already bought and paid for; that shouldn't be affected by any shutdown, unless Sikorsky is being pricks. Which is always possible.
TriSec on 10/03/2013 15:57:09
Quote by Scoopster:
Ah shit.. friend of mine back in CT is a contractor at Sikorsky Aircraft. He's getting furloughed.
Mmm...that doesn't wash. What does he do for them? Anything on the production line is already bought and paid for; that shouldn't be affected by any shutdown, unless Sikorsky is being pricks. Which is always possible.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2013 15:58:35
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 15:58:35
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
I moved barriers myself once on the National Mall. (yes, there are witnesses.) The army didn't like that much.
Um, Tri. We call that "The Mall." Calling it the "National Mall" makes you look like tourist.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 15:58:54
He does contract programming work. IT and such.
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 15:58:54
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
Ah shit.. friend of mine back in CT is a contractor at Sikorsky Aircraft. He's getting furloughed.
Mmm...that doesn't wash. What does he do for them? Anything on the production line is already bought and paid for; that shouldn't be affected by any shutdown, unless Sikorsky is being pricks. Which is always possible.
He does contract programming work. IT and such.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 16:08:52
I got my P/T yesterday and I am still nuerotypical. I still have a giant-ass painful knot in my upper left arm from the tetanus part. I think Tail Gunner Jenny might be wrong.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 16:08:52
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, and the email has just come out about the annual in-house Flu Clinics taking place next week. Like I said, my doctor finally convinced me to get one this year.
So, I am expecting an immediate anyphlactic reaction, followed by late onset autism, and then of course I'll get the flu anyway.
I got my P/T yesterday and I am still nuerotypical. I still have a giant-ass painful knot in my upper left arm from the tetanus part. I think Tail Gunner Jenny might be wrong.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2013 16:18:44
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2013 16:18:44
Hello, everyone!
Trojanrabbit, it sounds like Lucky is responding to the treatment and I hope that all goes well.
I am trying to destress today after taking my sister in law's Dad to dialysis at a VA hospital.
I found a link on Facebook where Andrew Sullivan comments on what he calls the Nullification Party:
Trojanrabbit, it sounds like Lucky is responding to the treatment and I hope that all goes well.
I am trying to destress today after taking my sister in law's Dad to dialysis at a VA hospital.
I found a link on Facebook where Andrew Sullivan comments on what he calls the Nullification Party:
When ideologies become as calcified, as cocooned and as extremist as those galvanizing the GOP, the American system of government cannot work. But I fear this nullification of the last two elections is a deliberate attempt to ensure that the American system of government as we have known it cannot work. It cannot, must not work, in the mindset of these radicals, because they simply do not accept the legitimacy of a President and Congress of the opposing party. The GOP does not regard the president as merely wrong – but as illegitimate. Not misguided – illegitimate. This is not about ending Obamacare as such (although that is a preliminary scalp); it is about nullifying this presidency, the way the GOP attempted to nullify the last Democratic presidency by impeachment.
Except this time, of course, we cannot deny that race too is an added factor to the fathomless sense of entitlement felt among the GOP far right. You saw it in birtherism; in the Southern GOP’s constant outrageous claims of Obama’s alleged treason and alliance with Islamist enemies; in providing zero votes for a stimulus that was the only thing that prevented a global depression of far worse proportions; in the endless race-baiting from Fox News and the talk radio right. And in this racially-charged atmosphere, providing access to private healthcare insurance to the working poor is obviously the point of no return.
Even though the law is almost identical to that of their last presidential nominee’s in Massachusetts, the GOP is prepared to destroy both the American government and the global economy to stop it. They see it, it seems to me, as both some kind of profound attack on the Constitution (something even Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts viewed as a step too far) and, in some inchoate way, as a racial hand-out, however preposterous that is. And that is at the core of the recklessness behind this attack on the US – or at least my best attempt to understand something that has long since gone beyond reason. This is the point of no return – a black president doing something for black citizens (even though the vast majority of beneficiaries of Obamacare will be non-black).
Comment by clintster on 10/03/2013 16:19:16
Yeah, that's been bugging me as well. The youngest WW II vets are in their mid 80s, and no disrespect for those men and women and their service to the country, but "storming" would have been too strong a word to describe their entry into the memorial. If anything, it was a more appropriate term for the Tea Partiers who nearly fell all over themselves to get photo op'ed in the greatest disconnect from reality since... well, since their extortion play the previous weekend that led to the memorial being closed.
clintster on 10/03/2013 16:19:16
Quote by Raine:
Not for nothing, but can we seriously stop saying that WW2 vets STORMED the memorial? They are WORLD WAR TWO VETS.
Some one had to say it. Sue me.
Yeah, that's been bugging me as well. The youngest WW II vets are in their mid 80s, and no disrespect for those men and women and their service to the country, but "storming" would have been too strong a word to describe their entry into the memorial. If anything, it was a more appropriate term for the Tea Partiers who nearly fell all over themselves to get photo op'ed in the greatest disconnect from reality since... well, since their extortion play the previous weekend that led to the memorial being closed.
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2013 16:20:47
*grunt*
Just don't try to park your car in Harvard Yard, okay?
TriSec on 10/03/2013 16:20:47
Quote by Mondobubba:
Um, Tri. We call that "The Mall." Calling it the "National Mall" makes you look like tourist.
*grunt*
Just don't try to park your car in Harvard Yard, okay?
Comment by clintster on 10/03/2013 16:24:53
it's CHOWDAH! Say it right.
Yeah, I know it's not entirely germane to the discussion, but I like this clip.
clintster on 10/03/2013 16:24:53
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Um, Tri. We call that "The Mall." Calling it the "National Mall" makes you look like tourist.
*grunt*
Just don't try to park your car in Harvard Yard, okay?
it's CHOWDAH! Say it right.
Yeah, I know it's not entirely germane to the discussion, but I like this clip.
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2013 16:25:03
TriSec on 10/03/2013 16:25:03
Say gang, what do we all make of that NYC motorcycle thing that's been making the rounds?
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 16:25:07
ooOOOoo I didn't know that!
Raine on 10/03/2013 16:25:07
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Burnett, Tina Fey, Maya Rudolph, Amy Pohler just to name a few.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I want to go to there.
to see Carol Burnett, cause that alone would be awesome, or to the Kennedy Center?
and both, to answer your question. I SO WANT TO GO.
But at a cool grand a ticket, that ain't gonna happen.
You know you could volunteer to be a docent at the Kennedy
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 16:30:09
My feeling exactly.
It's shameful, to be honest. (Or is it shameless?)
Raine on 10/03/2013 16:30:09
Quote by clintster:
Yeah, that's been bugging me as well. The youngest WW II vets are in their mid 80s, and no disrespect for those men and women and their service to the country, but "storming" would have been too strong a word to describe their entry into the memorial. If anything, it was a more appropriate term for the Tea Partiers who nearly fell all over themselves to get photo op'ed in the greatest disconnect from reality since... well, since their extortion play the previous weekend that led to the memorial being closed.
It's shameful, to be honest. (Or is it shameless?)
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2013 16:33:03
TriSec on 10/03/2013 16:33:03
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 16:38:52
Raine on 10/03/2013 16:38:52
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2013 16:39:18
oh yeah, there are docent programs all over the city, my friend Rikki volunteers for the Smithsonian. You just have to do thru a training.
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 16:39:18
Quote by Raine:ooOOOoo I didn't know that!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Burnett, Tina Fey, Maya Rudolph, Amy Pohler just to name a few.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I want to go to there.
to see Carol Burnett, cause that alone would be awesome, or to the Kennedy Center?
and both, to answer your question. I SO WANT TO GO.
But at a cool grand a ticket, that ain't gonna happen.
You know you could volunteer to be a docent at the Kennedy
oh yeah, there are docent programs all over the city, my friend Rikki volunteers for the Smithsonian. You just have to do thru a training.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 16:56:56
Raine on 10/03/2013 16:56:56
Jim Moran is sporting quite a beard...
“Mr. Speaker, this Republican shutdown is an outrageous abdication of Congress’ responsibility. And it didn’t need to be this way. In fact, if the House leadership were to call up a clean appropriations bill today, it would pass. There are a sufficient number of votes from both sides of the political aisle to pass the measure.
“So far, however, the House Republican leadership has refused to do so, afraid of extremists within its caucus, the so called Ted Cruz Tea Party faction, whose demand is to shut down the government until the Affordable Care Act (ACA) is either repealed or delayed.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2013 16:57:22
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 16:57:22
Time to go play some Dragon Age
I love vacation days were I don't have to do anything!
I love vacation days were I don't have to do anything!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2013 17:19:51
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 17:19:51
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 17:22:17
Raine on 10/03/2013 17:22:17
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 17:23:28
Demon Cat ate monsanto fed mice... it all makes sense now.
Raine on 10/03/2013 17:23:28
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
The Fuh -- a mountain lion in DC?
you sure that wasn't the
Capitol Demon Cat?
Demon Cat ate monsanto fed mice... it all makes sense now.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2013 17:28:54
wickedpam on 10/03/2013 17:28:54
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
The Fuh -- a mountain lion in DC?
you sure that wasn't the
Capitol Demon Cat?
Demon Cat ate monsanto fed mice... it all makes sense now.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 17:30:51
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 17:30:51
We now take a short break from our regularly scheduled outrage for a moment of zen.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 17:36:07
Raine on 10/03/2013 17:36:07
Quote by Scoopster:
We now take a short break from our regularly scheduled outrage for a moment of zen.
Comment by BobR on 10/03/2013 17:40:27
It occurred to me that this is the same as the bully classic "Stop hitting yourself!"
BobR on 10/03/2013 17:40:27
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Asshole.
Did you look at the comments? Disturbing Prince animated gifs
It occurred to me that this is the same as the bully classic "Stop hitting yourself!"
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 17:43:50
Raine on 10/03/2013 17:43:50
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 17:47:21
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 17:47:21
And one more, for all the geeks out there..
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 17:53:59
I'm in trouble. I'm a fact.
Raine on 10/03/2013 17:53:59
Quote by Scoopster:
And one more, for all the geeks out there..
I'm in trouble. I'm a fact.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 18:31:46
Raine on 10/03/2013 18:31:46
HOLY SHIT.
BREAKING:
The US capitol is on lockdown. Shots have been fired outside the west front.
2nd St and constitution avenue
BREAKING:
The US capitol is on lockdown. Shots have been fired outside the west front.
2nd St and constitution avenue
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 18:43:04
Raine on 10/03/2013 18:43:04
I am not a happy camper right now.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 18:43:28
Goddamnit...........
They're saying a CP officer was injured.. not sure if that mean he got shot or not.
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 18:43:28
Quote by Raine:
HOLY SHIT.
BREAKING:
The US capitol is on lockdown. Shots have been fired outside the west front.
2nd St and constitution avenue
Goddamnit...........
They're saying a CP officer was injured.. not sure if that mean he got shot or not.
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/03/2013 18:45:18
livingonli on 10/03/2013 18:45:18
Thanks, teabaggers for turning America into an insane asylum where the lunatics have taken over.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 18:51:24
he was airlifted.
Raine on 10/03/2013 18:51:24
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
HOLY SHIT.
BREAKING:
The US capitol is on lockdown. Shots have been fired outside the west front.
2nd St and constitution avenue
Goddamnit...........
They're saying a CP officer was injured.. not sure if that mean he got shot or not.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 18:54:19
Could be that the work he does is reported to an actual gummit employee. In that case yeah I can see him being furloughed. There was a report about this very thing on the NPR mosheen this morning.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 18:54:19
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
Ah shit.. friend of mine back in CT is a contractor at Sikorsky Aircraft. He's getting furloughed.
Mmm...that doesn't wash. What does he do for them? Anything on the production line is already bought and paid for; that shouldn't be affected by any shutdown, unless Sikorsky is being pricks. Which is always possible.
He does contract programming work. IT and such.
Could be that the work he does is reported to an actual gummit employee. In that case yeah I can see him being furloughed. There was a report about this very thing on the NPR mosheen this morning.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 18:56:10
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 18:56:10
Quote by Scoopster:
We now take a short break from our regularly scheduled outrage for a moment of zen.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 18:58:03
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 18:58:03
Quote by Scott Thuman @ABC7Scott:
#BREAKING suspect reportedly in custody, as many as three injured from shooting outside U.S. Capitol bldg.; people told to shelter in place.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 18:59:02
My dad (he would have been 88 today BTW) was a WW II vet. In his last couple -three years on this Earth he might have shuffled, he might slowly walked, he might have even sauntered, but his storming days were long over.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 18:59:02
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
Not for nothing, but can we seriously stop saying that WW2 vets STORMED the memorial? They are WORLD WAR TWO VETS.
Some one had to say it. Sue me.
Yeah, that's been bugging me as well. The youngest WW II vets are in their mid 80s, and no disrespect for those men and women and their service to the country, but "storming" would have been too strong a word to describe their entry into the memorial. If anything, it was a more appropriate term for the Tea Partiers who nearly fell all over themselves to get photo op'ed in the greatest disconnect from reality since... well, since their extortion play the previous weekend that led to the memorial being closed.
My dad (he would have been 88 today BTW) was a WW II vet. In his last couple -three years on this Earth he might have shuffled, he might slowly walked, he might have even sauntered, but his storming days were long over.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 19:05:10
Thank you, Scoop.
WTOP is reporting that the Capitol is no longer in lockdown.
The only I wanted to know is that they got the fucker in custody. I know Bob might say I am over-reacting -- but this is just too damn close to the bone.
He was out there taking a walk just a little while before this happened.
Raine on 10/03/2013 19:05:10
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Scott Thuman @ABC7Scott:
#BREAKING suspect reportedly in custody, as many as three injured from shooting outside U.S. Capitol bldg.; people told to shelter in place.
WTOP is reporting that the Capitol is no longer in lockdown.
The only I wanted to know is that they got the fucker in custody. I know Bob might say I am over-reacting -- but this is just too damn close to the bone.
He was out there taking a walk just a little while before this happened.
Comment by BobR on 10/03/2013 19:05:59
Our building was locked down. I assume that will be lifted soon
BobR on 10/03/2013 19:05:59
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Scott Thuman @ABC7Scott:
#BREAKING suspect reportedly in custody, as many as three injured from shooting outside U.S. Capitol bldg.; people told to shelter in place.
Our building was locked down. I assume that will be lifted soon
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 19:06:21
Raine on 10/03/2013 19:06:21
Quote by Mondobubba:
My dad (he would have been 88 today BTW) was a WW II vet. In his last couple -three years on this Earth he might have shuffled, he might slowly walked, he might have even sauntered, but his storming days were long over.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 19:16:53
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 19:16:53
Has anybody else been following the Silkroad story?
Greed, drugs, libertarians run amok, murder for hire, Bitcoin!
Greed, drugs, libertarians run amok, murder for hire, Bitcoin!
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 19:22:21
Raine on 10/03/2013 19:22:21
Suspect is reported to have been killed.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 19:30:58
Raine on 10/03/2013 19:30:58
Woman rammed the security gate at the WH had a baby in the car. The baby is safe. reports are she's dead.
Blame both sides might have created the first death of the shutdown.
Blame both sides might have created the first death of the shutdown.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 19:31:23
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 19:31:23
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 19:32:20
Of course he is. Alex you are so precious!
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 19:32:20
Of course he is. Alex you are so precious!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2013 19:41:55
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2013 19:41:55
I can't even go on Facebook to avoid the right wing trolls. One responded to a friend and called the shut down a revolution -- after the friend had posted a picture of a flyer telling people receiving WIC that they need to spend their benefits by October 15th.
My reply (I also linked to the story abut the Cape Cod man.)
My reply (I also linked to the story abut the Cape Cod man.)
I guess that women and infants should suffer for the sake of ideological purity as should a man who may not get the cancer treatment that could save his life. Oh well, he is not part of the rich and powerful and perhaps should die to decrease the surface population...(Yes, I am paraphrasing Dickens).
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 19:45:02
I find the crass opportunism an cynical use of vets by teatards galling.
On the other hand I found it very difficult develop sympathy for this guy What kind of self-indulgent asshole take a kid out school for a vacation?
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 19:45:02
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
My dad (he would have been 88 today BTW) was a WW II vet. In his last couple -three years on this Earth he might have shuffled, he might slowly walked, he might have even sauntered, but his storming days were long over.
I find the crass opportunism an cynical use of vets by teatards galling.
On the other hand I found it very difficult develop sympathy for this guy What kind of self-indulgent asshole take a kid out school for a vacation?
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 19:49:06
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 19:49:06
Whoa bloggie just went hyperlink crazy! 
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 19:52:53
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 19:52:53
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2013 20:01:23
TriSec on 10/03/2013 20:01:23
Well, I'm not a code monkey, nor do I play one on TV.
I can't see what's wrong; all the tags look correct in super-secret blog administrator editing mode.
I can't see what's wrong; all the tags look correct in super-secret blog administrator editing mode.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 20:04:20
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 20:04:20
Ahh I see it! It's in Mondo's comment. The end of the link is messed up it's still open-ended.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 20:56:27
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 20:56:27
Comment by BobR on 10/03/2013 21:23:01
fixed.
BobR on 10/03/2013 21:23:01
Quote by Scoopster:
Ahh I see it! It's in Mondo's comment. The end of the link is messed up it's still open-ended.
fixed.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 21:26:21
:Skates to the penalty box:
Mondobubba on 10/03/2013 21:26:21
Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:
Ahh I see it! It's in Mondo's comment. The end of the link is messed up it's still open-ended.
fixed.
:Skates to the penalty box:
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 21:37:17
Seriously, I hope he swallows bile.
Raine on 10/03/2013 21:37:17
Phuck Alex Jones.
Seriously, I hope he swallows bile.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 21:37:46
Raine on 10/03/2013 21:37:46
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:
Ahh I see it! It's in Mondo's comment. The end of the link is messed up it's still open-ended.
fixed.
:Skates to the penalty box:
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 21:38:35
Raine on 10/03/2013 21:38:35
WTOP is reporting that the car had Connecticut plates.
I have a feeling this is something that has gone terribly wrong.
I have a feeling this is something that has gone terribly wrong.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2013 22:08:37
Raine on 10/03/2013 22:08:37
The Fuh? A reporter is insinuating that the person in the car is of somali decent.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2013 22:49:34
Scoopster on 10/03/2013 22:49:34
NSFW: This is so distasteful. and HILARIOUS! 
'Someone from your church's IP address spent 41 minutes looking at our website,' the band tweeted earlier today. 'That's longer than the video on your lawn!!!'
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2013 00:07:55
Raine on 10/04/2013 00:07:55
http://liveblog.wtop.com/Event/Shots_at_Capitol_Hill