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Dystopia, USA
Author: BobR
Date: 2013-11-18 11:54:38
Of all the ruins left by the exodus of American manufacturing and the 2008 economic crash, perhaps no place embodies it so vividly as Detroit. Most Americans see Detroit teetering on the edge. Most in Detroit know that they've already gone over. The reality is bleak.
We watched Anthony Bourdain's "Parts Unknown" a few nights ago in which he visited Detroit and documented his visit. He described his actions with mixed emotions as he said he didn't want to participate in the "ruin porn":
I'd seen the heartwrenching photos before of ruined schools, churches, houses, and theatres, where the ghosts of their previous elegance and beauty could be seen amongst the dust and bricks and broken glass. To see the video of blocks of houses boarded, houses that would easily go for $700K in our neighborhood, to see the remaining people gamely making a life in their seemingly post-apocolyptic landscape was still nonetheless shocking and enlightening. There are no major grocery stores left in Detroit, abandoned homes are burned down by the remaining neighbors rather than be left to become crack houses, people make and sell food out of their front yard just to get by.
It's obvious that those who remain love their city, despite it being on life support. They take care of each other, and do what they can to retain some livability, where there are no tax dollars left for the city to provide what most of us take for granted.
It is both a casualty of the past and a premonition of our future if we don't look out for each other. Whither goes Detroit goes the other big cities and small towns in America that don't invest in themselves, that don't do what they can to prevent jobs from leaving our borders, that allow money to be siphoned off into the hands and bank accounts of the very rich.
Republicans say socialism will destroy America. I look at Detroit and wonder if capitalism might do it first.
We watched Anthony Bourdain's "Parts Unknown" a few nights ago in which he visited Detroit and documented his visit. He described his actions with mixed emotions as he said he didn't want to participate in the "ruin porn":
Detroiters hate what they call "ruin porn." And it's understandable, the unease and even anger, that must come with seeing tourists, gawkers, (and television crews) come to your city to pose giddily in front of abandoned factories, public buildings, the symbols of former empire.
I, too, I'm afraid, am guilty of wallowing in ruin porn, of making sure we pointed our cameras, lingered even, in the waist-high grass, overgrown gardens, abandoned mansions, crumbling towers, denuded neighborhoods of what was once an all-powerful metropolis, the engine of capitalism.
I'd seen the heartwrenching photos before of ruined schools, churches, houses, and theatres, where the ghosts of their previous elegance and beauty could be seen amongst the dust and bricks and broken glass. To see the video of blocks of houses boarded, houses that would easily go for $700K in our neighborhood, to see the remaining people gamely making a life in their seemingly post-apocolyptic landscape was still nonetheless shocking and enlightening. There are no major grocery stores left in Detroit, abandoned homes are burned down by the remaining neighbors rather than be left to become crack houses, people make and sell food out of their front yard just to get by.
It's obvious that those who remain love their city, despite it being on life support. They take care of each other, and do what they can to retain some livability, where there are no tax dollars left for the city to provide what most of us take for granted.
It is both a casualty of the past and a premonition of our future if we don't look out for each other. Whither goes Detroit goes the other big cities and small towns in America that don't invest in themselves, that don't do what they can to prevent jobs from leaving our borders, that allow money to be siphoned off into the hands and bank accounts of the very rich.
Republicans say socialism will destroy America. I look at Detroit and wonder if capitalism might do it first.
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Comment by 
Raine on 11/18/2013 14:07:32
Good morning!
Raine on 11/18/2013 14:07:32
Good morning!
Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/18/2013 14:08:39
wickedpam on 11/18/2013 14:08:39
Morning 
Okay I admit I enjoy a little dystopia architecture - there just something lovely about old buildings crumbling back into the earth or being taken over by vegetation.
Now I would never purposely take selfies in front of stuff like that.
What kills me about Detroit is all that beautiful industrial architecture, and the lovely people who believe in the city, are just going to ruin because we are basically choosing to cut it loose. Its sad.
Okay I admit I enjoy a little dystopia architecture - there just something lovely about old buildings crumbling back into the earth or being taken over by vegetation.
Now I would never purposely take selfies in front of stuff like that.
What kills me about Detroit is all that beautiful industrial architecture, and the lovely people who believe in the city, are just going to ruin because we are basically choosing to cut it loose. Its sad.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 14:23:55
Raine on 11/18/2013 14:23:55
I believe that there should be a responsibility placed on corporations that abandon buildings. Same with development companies that just leave half constrcted buildings.
Same with banks that foreclose homes. They should be held financially responsible for either upkeep, refurbish or demolishing. That money could go back to city, county etc., government to help prevent things like this:
That is Detroit's once glorious train station. It makes me sad and angry. This doesn't have to happen.
Bob is correct -- what we are witnessing is what happens when capitalism -- the free market principle becomes more important than a well regulated society.
Same with banks that foreclose homes. They should be held financially responsible for either upkeep, refurbish or demolishing. That money could go back to city, county etc., government to help prevent things like this:
That is Detroit's once glorious train station. It makes me sad and angry. This doesn't have to happen.
Bob is correct -- what we are witnessing is what happens when capitalism -- the free market principle becomes more important than a well regulated society.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2013 14:30:57
No it doesn't. That' just a shame. I see stuff like this and just want to move there and restore all that beauty.
I know in VA the bank does have to upkeep any foreclosed property to some extent. Especially homes, cause when we had homes like that our HOA had to go after the banks to maintain them. Once they were made aware they at the very least kept up the yards and if something broke on the outside they had to fix it.
wickedpam on 11/18/2013 14:30:57
Quote by Raine:
I believe that there should be a responsibility placed on corporations that abandon buildings. Same with development companies that just leave half constrcted buildings.
Same with banks that foreclose homes. They should be held financially responsible for either upkeep, refurbish or demolishing. That money could go back to city, county etc., government to help prevent things like this:
That is Detroit's once glorious train station. It makes me sad and angry. This doesn't have to happen.
Bob is correct -- what we are witnessing is what happens when capitalism -- the free market principle becomes more important than a well regulated society.
No it doesn't. That' just a shame. I see stuff like this and just want to move there and restore all that beauty.
I know in VA the bank does have to upkeep any foreclosed property to some extent. Especially homes, cause when we had homes like that our HOA had to go after the banks to maintain them. Once they were made aware they at the very least kept up the yards and if something broke on the outside they had to fix it.
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/18/2013 14:36:00
TriSec on 11/18/2013 14:36:00
Morning, comrades.
Buildings "abandoned" around these parts don't stay that way for long; there's always somebody new that will pick it up and move in.
But then again, I'm in a liberal state...our economy isn't booming, but we haven't tied our engine to a single line of business. Things ebb and flow, and as one sector declines, we're often positioned to have another rise. Having deep civic pride in our educational institutions around this city also helps to attract the 'best and the brightest', many of whom stay to create businesses and products, and in turn create families and increase the tax base, which in turn perpetuates the system.
I was listening to TRMS this morning (Friday's show), and I spent most of my commute shaking my head. She went point-by-point about a half-dozen policies and laws that would likely improve the standards of living for millions of Americans. But they're all blocked by the power of one man holding a gavel.
The Republicans have it all wrong; it isn't socialism, it's fascism. This is already a military-industrial dictatorship, and if you're not one of the lucky few, there is no more "American Dream".
I can only thank my lucky stars that my father happened to be entering high school when Grandpa was passing through Boston; they decided to put down roots so my daddy could finish school in one place. I could have just as easily ended up in Peoria, and then what?
(No offense to Peoria; I'm sure it's lovely.)
Buildings "abandoned" around these parts don't stay that way for long; there's always somebody new that will pick it up and move in.
But then again, I'm in a liberal state...our economy isn't booming, but we haven't tied our engine to a single line of business. Things ebb and flow, and as one sector declines, we're often positioned to have another rise. Having deep civic pride in our educational institutions around this city also helps to attract the 'best and the brightest', many of whom stay to create businesses and products, and in turn create families and increase the tax base, which in turn perpetuates the system.
I was listening to TRMS this morning (Friday's show), and I spent most of my commute shaking my head. She went point-by-point about a half-dozen policies and laws that would likely improve the standards of living for millions of Americans. But they're all blocked by the power of one man holding a gavel.
The Republicans have it all wrong; it isn't socialism, it's fascism. This is already a military-industrial dictatorship, and if you're not one of the lucky few, there is no more "American Dream".
I can only thank my lucky stars that my father happened to be entering high school when Grandpa was passing through Boston; they decided to put down roots so my daddy could finish school in one place. I could have just as easily ended up in Peoria, and then what?
(No offense to Peoria; I'm sure it's lovely.)
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 11/18/2013 14:44:09
velveeta jones on 11/18/2013 14:44:09
Excellent blog!
Good morning.
Good morning.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 14:52:48
Raine on 11/18/2013 14:52:48
The thing about Detroit is that this has been a slow sad decline -- When Michael More made Roger and Me -- people should have really paid attention.
Comment by 
BobR on 11/18/2013 14:59:18
BobR on 11/18/2013 14:59:18
I was also thinking of Atlanta, a city of people who abandon one place as soon as a shinier newer place opens. Cases-in-point: The Dome and The Ted, two perfectly lovely (and accessible) sporting facilities in the heart of Atlanta that are being abandoned for newer ones - in the latter case located in the suburbs.
This will be a huge setback to the recovery of the city which suffered terribly from the real estate market crash.
This will be a huge setback to the recovery of the city which suffered terribly from the real estate market crash.
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2013 15:07:35
TriSec on 11/18/2013 15:07:35
Ah, yes...a brief take on city vs. suburb around these parts....
City: Fenway Park, steps from Kenmore Square and the Boston University campus. It's surrounded by businesses, restaraunts, clubs, nightspots, traffic, public transit, thousands of people...even on days there isn't a game, it's a busy and interesting place to be.
Suburbs: Gillette Stadium, on a desolate stretch of Route 1 in Foxboro, not even near a decent rail line or highway access. Up until a few years ago, there wasn't even a strip mall or a place to eat within 5 miles of the place. (Rectified a bit by the building of Patriot Place). But if there isn't a game happening, it's generally a ghost town and does nothing for Foxboro or the surrounding communities.
City: Fenway Park, steps from Kenmore Square and the Boston University campus. It's surrounded by businesses, restaraunts, clubs, nightspots, traffic, public transit, thousands of people...even on days there isn't a game, it's a busy and interesting place to be.
Suburbs: Gillette Stadium, on a desolate stretch of Route 1 in Foxboro, not even near a decent rail line or highway access. Up until a few years ago, there wasn't even a strip mall or a place to eat within 5 miles of the place. (Rectified a bit by the building of Patriot Place). But if there isn't a game happening, it's generally a ghost town and does nothing for Foxboro or the surrounding communities.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 15:15:03
LEt me ask you this -- was Kenmore Square ever in need of gentrification?
I ask because I think of cities like NYC -- it's ever changing, due to city and state incentives to reinvest in decaying neighborhoods -- Like the area around Yankee stadium, the meat packing district, the lower east side etc. --
In the 70's and into the 80's NYC wasn't exactly perfect. It took a serious plan to get people to come back to the city.
Some of it was overboard: see Times Square.
Raine on 11/18/2013 15:15:03
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, yes...a brief take on city vs. suburb around these parts....
City: Fenway Park, steps from Kenmore Square and the Boston University campus. It's surrounded by businesses, restaraunts, clubs, nightspots, traffic, public transit, thousands of people...even on days there isn't a game, it's a busy and interesting place to be.
Suburbs: Gillette Stadium, on a desolate stretch of Route 1 in Foxboro, not even near a decent rail line or highway access. Up until a few years ago, there wasn't even a strip mall or a place to eat within 5 miles of the place. (Rectified a bit by the building of Patriot Place). But if there isn't a game happening, it's generally a ghost town and does nothing for Foxboro or the surrounding communities.
I ask because I think of cities like NYC -- it's ever changing, due to city and state incentives to reinvest in decaying neighborhoods -- Like the area around Yankee stadium, the meat packing district, the lower east side etc. --
In the 70's and into the 80's NYC wasn't exactly perfect. It took a serious plan to get people to come back to the city.
Some of it was overboard: see Times Square.
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2013 15:33:18
TriSec on 11/18/2013 15:33:18
No, Kenmore has never "gentrified". The big business engines of Fenway and Boston University have ensured that when the Square hits some bumps, it never declines too far.
Downtown Crossing is in serious need, though. When Macy's killed the local businesses of Jordan Marsh and Filenes that stood on opposite corners downtown, the whole works collapsed and it hasn't come back.
Downtown Crossing is in serious need, though. When Macy's killed the local businesses of Jordan Marsh and Filenes that stood on opposite corners downtown, the whole works collapsed and it hasn't come back.
Comment by BobR on 11/18/2013 16:18:33
BobR on 11/18/2013 16:18:33
It's pretty quiet in here...
a little TOO quiet...
a little TOO quiet...
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 16:37:40
Doing research on cities that came back from the brink and cities that experienced urban renewal.
(plus, where is Mondo??? )
Raine on 11/18/2013 16:37:40
Quote by BobR:
It's pretty quiet in here...
a little TOO quiet...
(plus, where is Mondo??? )
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/18/2013 16:41:22
Scoopster on 11/18/2013 16:41:22
Mornin' all.. 
Busy morning in the office.. The storm we had earlier slowed everything down, and now it's so damn nice outside I don't wanna work!
Busy morning in the office.. The storm we had earlier slowed everything down, and now it's so damn nice outside I don't wanna work!
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 16:47:03
Raine on 11/18/2013 16:47:03
HerpDerp....
“That leaves hundreds of thousands of patients without the doctor that they’ve had for many many years,†Varney added. “We don’t know how many thousands have been dropped, but thousands have been dropped. What about their patients? What about the people who used to have this doctor who now no longer have this doctor? Broken promise.â€
“And many of those people are women who are expecting babies and who may just have a real relationship with their physician and want to see the same doctor deliver possibly their second child,†Hasselbeck opined. “And they are now left in the dark in a time that they feeling quite vulnerable.â€
“Most of them are elderly,†Varney pointed out.
Medicare Advantage is a type of Medicare offered by private companies to people over 65 years of age. Medicare Advantage covers traditional Medicare plus additional services, but customers must pay a premium.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2013 16:59:53
I read this story and immediately thought of..
Scoopster on 11/18/2013 16:59:53
Quote by Raine:
HerpDerp....“That leaves hundreds of thousands of patients without the doctor that they’ve had for many many years,†Varney added. “We don’t know how many thousands have been dropped, but thousands have been dropped. What about their patients? What about the people who used to have this doctor who now no longer have this doctor? Broken promise.â€
“And many of those people are women who are expecting babies and who may just have a real relationship with their physician and want to see the same doctor deliver possibly their second child,†Hasselbeck opined. “And they are now left in the dark in a time that they feeling quite vulnerable.â€
“Most of them are elderly,†Varney pointed out.
Medicare Advantage is a type of Medicare offered by private companies to people over 65 years of age. Medicare Advantage covers traditional Medicare plus additional services, but customers must pay a premium.
I read this story and immediately thought of..
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 17:26:58
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 17:26:58
Have I mentioned lately how much I hate Outlook? And Exchange servers. 
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 17:47:02
You lost me at "Hasselbeck."
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 17:47:02
Quote by Raine:
HerpDerp....“That leaves hundreds of thousands of patients without the doctor that they’ve had for many many years,†Varney added. “We don’t know how many thousands have been dropped, but thousands have been dropped. What about their patients? What about the people who used to have this doctor who now no longer have this doctor? Broken promise.â€
“And many of those people are women who are expecting babies and who may just have a real relationship with their physician and want to see the same doctor deliver possibly their second child,†Hasselbeck opined. “And they are now left in the dark in a time that they feeling quite vulnerable.â€
“Most of them are elderly,†Varney pointed out.
Medicare Advantage is a type of Medicare offered by private companies to people over 65 years of age. Medicare Advantage covers traditional Medicare plus additional services, but customers must pay a premium.
You lost me at "Hasselbeck."
Comment by 
livingonli on 11/18/2013 18:00:43
livingonli on 11/18/2013 18:00:43
I just wonder at times if Hasselback even has a brain.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 18:25:30
Raine on 11/18/2013 18:25:30
He is survived by a wife and Child in Hudson NY. 
It appears to me to be a PTSD assisted Suicide by cop. Looks like the recent wars came home to Germantown, NY.
It appears to me to be a PTSD assisted Suicide by cop. Looks like the recent wars came home to Germantown, NY.
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2013 18:56:27
TriSec on 11/18/2013 18:56:27
Say gang, a certain person on this blog is probably tripping over cases of Beaujolais-Nouveau already....
*grunts*
Anybody got a good cranberry sauce recipe?
*grunts*
Anybody got a good cranberry sauce recipe?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 19:04:02
Not Mamma Stanburg's it.is.nasty.
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 19:04:02
Quote by TriSec:
Say gang, a certain person on this blog is probably tripping over cases of Beaujolais-Nouveau already....
*grunts*
Anybody got a good cranberry sauce recipe?
Not Mamma Stanburg's it.is.nasty.
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2013 19:17:32
Urgh. I think we're veering into "unwashed ass" territory again.
TriSec on 11/18/2013 19:17:32
Quote by Mondobubba:
Not Mamma Stanburg's it.is.nasty.
Urgh. I think we're veering into "unwashed ass" territory again.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 19:19:42
it's not a felony. It's not even tax evasion. The teeth in not paying the mandate is actually ridiculous. (I know you all knew that tho. )
Raine on 11/18/2013 19:19:42
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Uhhhhh... wut?
)
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 19:24:48
It looks like peptobismal
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 19:24:48
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Not Mamma Stanburg's it.is.nasty.
Urgh. I think we're veering into "unwashed ass" territory again.
It looks like peptobismal
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2013 19:49:30
sorry had to go the Xerox showroom in DC for a follow up meeting and a yummy lunch! Now I'm in a turkey coma
wickedpam on 11/18/2013 19:49:30
Quote by BobR:
It's pretty quiet in here...
a little TOO quiet...
sorry had to go the Xerox showroom in DC for a follow up meeting and a yummy lunch! Now I'm in a turkey coma
Comment by BobR on 11/18/2013 19:57:35
So he's killed an unarmed black kid and beat up a "girl". That should earn him plenty of respect in the Big House
BobR on 11/18/2013 19:57:35
Quote by wickedpam:
Shocker :/
So he's killed an unarmed black kid and beat up a "girl". That should earn him plenty of respect in the Big House
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2013 20:01:19
nothing says winner in life like beating up people younger and smaller then you
wickedpam on 11/18/2013 20:01:19
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
Shocker :/
So he's killed an unarmed black kid and beat up a "girl". That should earn him plenty of respect in the Big House
nothing says winner in life like beating up people younger and smaller then you
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:09:54
I didn't know they owned channel 4 here. Cool.
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:09:54
Quote by Raine:
Washington Post Co. is soon to exist.
(kinda)
I didn't know they owned channel 4 here. Cool.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:12:37
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:12:37
Media...media, more media and then this: Celtic Healthcare, a provider of home health-care and hospice services; and Forney Corporation, a global supplier of products and systems that control and monitor combustion processes in electric utility and industrial applications.
Huh?
Huh?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:31:19
Ohh fancy! A Xerox® copier! Or should I say document storage and delivery system!
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:31:19
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:
It's pretty quiet in here...
a little TOO quiet...
sorry had to go the Xerox showroom in DC for a follow up meeting and a yummy lunch! Now I'm in a turkey coma
Ohh fancy! A Xerox® copier! Or should I say document storage and delivery system!
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 20:34:55
If this POS doesn't go t jail soon -- someone else is going to die by his hands.
Raine on 11/18/2013 20:34:55
Quote by wickedpam:
Shocker :/
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:41:25
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:41:25
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2013 20:41:49
hey, if we actually get them then yes call them document storage and delivery systems.
wickedpam on 11/18/2013 20:41:49
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:
It's pretty quiet in here...
a little TOO quiet...
sorry had to go the Xerox showroom in DC for a follow up meeting and a yummy lunch! Now I'm in a turkey coma
Ohh fancy! A Xerox® copier! Or should I say document storage and delivery system!
hey, if we actually get them then yes call them document storage and delivery systems.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:41:55
Yeah. I know.
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:41:55
Quote by Raine:If this POS doesn't go t jail soon -- someone else is going to die by his hands.Quote by wickedpam:
Shocker :/
Yeah. I know.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 20:46:53
Another source.
Raine on 11/18/2013 20:46:53
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:If this POS doesn't go t jail soon -- someone else is going to die by his hands.Quote by wickedpam:
Shocker :/
Yeah. I know.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 20:49:42
Has his divorce papers been served?
I can't stand this guy.
Raine on 11/18/2013 20:49:42
Quote by Raine:Another source.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:If this POS doesn't go t jail soon -- someone else is going to die by his hands.Quote by wickedpam:
Shocker :/
Yeah. I know.
I can't stand this guy.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:55:05
So he can make bail for killing an unarmed black kid, but not for punching a pregnant woman? Priorities, Florida, priorities.
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 20:55:05
Quote by Raine:Has his divorce papers been served?Quote by Raine:Another source.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:If this POS doesn't go t jail soon -- someone else is going to die by his hands.Quote by wickedpam:
Shocker :/
Yeah. I know.
I can't stand this guy.
So he can make bail for killing an unarmed black kid, but not for punching a pregnant woman? Priorities, Florida, priorities.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2013 21:05:26
Raine on 11/18/2013 21:05:26
Zimmerman is a menace to society.
If this POS shit doesn't go to jail soon -- someone else will wind up dead. He's a case example of a state justice system gone wrong.
If this POS shit doesn't go to jail soon -- someone else will wind up dead. He's a case example of a state justice system gone wrong.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 21:34:38
Right now, he is the poster boy for just how dysfunctional our justice system is.
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 21:34:38
Quote by Raine:
Zimmerman is a menace to society.
If this POS shit doesn't go to jail soon -- someone else will wind up dead. He's a case example of a state justice system gone wrong.
Right now, he is the poster boy for just how dysfunctional our justice system is.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 22:20:45
Mondobubba on 11/18/2013 22:20:45
This is very interesting.
This is from 1963. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
This is from 1963. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
LIFE LINE’S latest crusade is against the Medicare program proposed by John F. Kennedy. Hunt’s announcer claims that Kennedy’s program will create government death panels: “This plan provides a neat little package of sweeping dictatorial power over medicine and the healing arts—a package which would literally make the President of the United States a medical czar with potential life-or-death power over every man, woman and child in the country.â€