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The Burden is on the Victim
Author: Raine    Date: 11/20/2013 13:58:58

Yesterday we learned that Trayvon Martin's killer was released on $9000 bail after being arrested for yet another domestic violence incident. From the Daily Beast:
The man who shot Trayvon Martin allegedly choked his girlfriend, prompting a judge to ban him from weapons use. Prosecutors say he has ‘nothing to lose’ and is a public threat.

George Zimmerman attempted to choke his girlfriend 10 days ago and has threatened suicide because he feels he has “nothing to lose,” prosecutors told a Florida judge today. (snip)

Scheibe did not report the alleged choking to police, said the prosecutor, adding, however: “She did fear for her safety on the day of this incident. She indicated that they had been discussing breaking up. He also has mentioned suicide in the recent past. Due to those factors and the defendant indicating at the time he was going to commit suicide, that he had nothing to lose, we feel that the victim’s safety and the community’s safety is our paramount concern.”

Zimmerman is charged with felony aggravated assault, plus one count of misdemeanor battery—for allegedly pushing Scheibe out of her own front door during their row and barricading himself inside—and another of criminal mischief, for allegedly smashing some of her possessions including a glass table.
At least this time he was arrested. A few months ago, that wasn't the case, as his estranged wife didn't press charges. The man has a history of violence. He's never truly been held responsible for his actions; he knows how to work the system.
August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiancee filed for a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman responded by requesting a restraining order against her. Both requests were granted. No criminal charges were filed.
This week we saw a very similar situation. His Girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe called 911 after he pointed a gun at her. She was locked out of her home and called authorities. At that point, Zimmernman called 911 himself - to tell his side of the story.
Zimmerman told his girlfriend to leave and smashed a pair of her sunglasses as she walked toward the front door, the report says. Scheibe told deputies he pushed her out of the house when she got close to the door.

"You point your gun at my fricking face," Scheibe is heard telling Zimmerman on a 911 call. "Get out of my house. Do not push me out of my house. Please get out of my house."

Seconds later, she told the dispatcher, "You kidding me? He pushed me out of my house and locked me out. ... He knows how to do this. He knows how to play this game."

Moments later, Zimmerman called 911 from inside the barricaded house to tell his side of the story.

"I have a girlfriend, who for lack of a better word, has gone crazy on me," Zimmerman said.

Zimmerman then said he never pulled a gun on his girlfriend and that it was she who smashed a table at the home they shared. He also told the dispatcher that Scheibe was pregnant with their child and that she had decided she would raise the child on her own. When Zimmerman started to leave, "she got mad," he said.
You see what's going on here? He's blaming the woman for his actions. Just like he blamed Trayvon, he blamed his estranged wife. All of these incidents over the past 8 years, it was always someone else' fault.

And through it all -- he was always given his precious guns back -- until yesterday. Prosectors say he has ‘nothing to lose’ and is a public threat. "Due to those factors and the defendant indicating at the time he was going to commit suicide, that he had nothing to lose, we feel that the victim’s safety and the community’s safety is our paramount concern."

If he wasn't thought to be suicidal, he'd still have those guns. His girlfriend and estranged wife would still be fearful for their lives, and may have to again if these charges are dropped or if he is found not guilty.

The sad part about this is this: If this had happened in a bar, or at a party, we wouldn't be discussing this in the framework of domestic violence. He would have been in jail for assault. Once again the burden is on the victim of domestic violence. This is why we have federal laws on violence against women. All that said - until state and local governments help by taking the burden of guilt off the victim, more women will suffer.

Now, I'd like to tell you a story.

One night many years ago, a 17 year old was witness to a violent situation. A rifle was involved. A man was verbally abusing a woman. The police were called by a third party (the 17 year old) After informing law enforcement about what had and was happening, the police went to question the parties involved. As a result, the man claimed the woman was the provoker. It was at that point police said they couldn't remove him from the house. Law enforcement informed the woman that they couldn't press charges. She had no physical injuries to prove her claims. They couldn't remove the man from the home without her further provoking an already violent situation by pressing charges. So - she did. Then the man pressed charges against her. He also informed the police that charges should be pressed against the 17 year old witness. Police talked the man out of that charge. Both adults were taken away from the home is separate police vehicles.

Did I mention that this incident happened in spite of an order of protection that had expired just a few days before? Oh, no I didn't. The order of protection was for 6 weeks, as a cooling off period due to prior domestic incidents. After it expired, he moved back into the home. What happened after the arrest is mind boggling.

The woman was ordered by a judge to stay away from the home, along with her 3 children. The man moved back into the house, by himself. This in effect made her homeless. She stayed with friends, her oldest stayed with friends. the youngest children stayed with family a few hours away. It took nearly a month to find an apartment she could afford with room enough for her and the kids. They never returned to live in the house.

This happened because she wasn't physically injured enough to prove she was a victim of domestic violence after an order of protection had expired.

In that vein, I believe George Zimmerman should never be allowed to own a gun again. Unfortunately, by the time that happens it may very well be too late for the next victim. He knows how to play the game. A 17 year old many years ago saw how it was played.

and
Rainie
 

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Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 14:04:33
Joy! We are having a fire drill today at 9:30 this should be fun.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2013 14:21:45
Morning

They say those with nothing to lose are the most dangerous people.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/20/2013 14:26:34
Mornin' all.. Hopefully this latest instance of unchecked thuggery from G-Zizzy will finally wake up the nitwits in Florida about their criminal justice system and laws.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 14:27:33
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all.. Hopefully this latest instance of unchecked thuggery from G-Zizzy will finally wake up the nitwits in Florida about their criminal justice system and laws.



Um,


G-Zizzy?

Comment by BobR on 11/20/2013 14:28:23
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all.. Hopefully this latest instance of unchecked thuggery from G-Zizzy will finally wake up the nitwits in Florida about their criminal justice system and laws.

"G-Zizzy"

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 14:29:48
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all.. Hopefully this latest instance of unchecked thuggery from G-Zizzy will finally wake up the nitwits in Florida about their criminal justice system and laws.

"G-Zizzy"



Bobber, get out of my mind!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 14:30:17
I'll be back in a bit, the fire drill is going to start any minute now.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 14:54:20
Fire alarm...loudest in know universe.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2013 15:04:12
Quote by Mondobubba:
I'll be back in a bit, the fire drill is going to start any minute now.


hurry before the fake fire gets ya


Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 15:05:19
The blog has been SERIOUSLY updated, and edits are being made, Please take another look.


Comment by Scoopster on 11/20/2013 15:09:16
Quote by Raine:
The blog has been SERIOUSLY updated, and edits are being made, Please take another look.



Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 15:14:21
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Raine:
The blog has been SERIOUSLY updated, and edits are being made, Please take another look.

(lump in throat)




Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 15:15:36
I have a friend who is a deputy for the JSO. She told me that 12 years on the job she has not had to testify in a single case of domestic violence. She's made arrests, but no one of them has ever been brought to trial.

What does this tell me? That the DA for Jacksonville, Pam Bondi doesn't put a priority on domestic violence prosecutions because they are not easy winners for her office.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 15:18:02
Raine,

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2013 15:24:05
Raine

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 16:35:31
Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2013 16:40:07


Mario B for the WIN!


Comment by BobR on 11/20/2013 16:40:35

definitely more respect for the guy - nothing pisses off an angry person tossing insults more than not getting angry in return

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 16:47:22
Mondo, Mala, Scoop.



I'm terrified to put this out there...



Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 16:51:03
Quote by Mondobubba:
I have a friend who is a deputy for the JSO. She told me that 12 years on the job she has not had to testify in a single case of domestic violence. She's made arrests, but no one of them has ever been brought to trial.

What does this tell me? That the DA for Jacksonville, Pam Bondi doesn't put a priority on domestic violence prosecutions because they are not easy winners for her office.
That's a huge problem.

Trust me.

That 17 year old didn't want to see the male go into the DOC system.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2013 16:51:34
Quote by Raine:
Mondo, Mala, Scoop.



I'm terrified to put this out there...




I'll tell you about my cousin and her crazy 1st husband and his crazy redneck survivalist family sometime. We had to take her to another state to get her out of that marriage.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/20/2013 16:55:02
Quote by Raine:
Mondo, Mala, Scoop.



I'm terrified to put this out there...

There's some reasons I don't associate with my father's side of the family at all. Some are between my father and I, and some are what he did to my mother when I was very young (which I didn't learn about until much later).

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 17:11:02
Quote by wickedpam:


Mario B for the WIN!



I totally love this tweet:

I think you need a nap it's pro choice. Bubye


Comment by clintster on 11/20/2013 17:14:13
Damn. *reads blog again* Damn.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 17:14:29
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I have a friend who is a deputy for the JSO. She told me that 12 years on the job she has not had to testify in a single case of domestic violence. She's made arrests, but no one of them has ever been brought to trial.

What does this tell me? That the DA for Jacksonville, Pam Bondi doesn't put a priority on domestic violence prosecutions because they are not easy winners for her office.
That's a huge problem.

Trust me.

That 17 year old didn't want to see the male go into the DOC system.


I mentioned my friend who's daughter is in abusive relationship yes? My friend is terrified for her daughter, but the kid is deep in the depths of batter spouse syndrome, she won't press charges against the douche. Becki (my friend) is at wit's end. She's done what we hope is the right thing and is doing tough love on her daughter.


Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 17:20:38
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I have a friend who is a deputy for the JSO. She told me that 12 years on the job she has not had to testify in a single case of domestic violence. She's made arrests, but no one of them has ever been brought to trial.

What does this tell me? That the DA for Jacksonville, Pam Bondi doesn't put a priority on domestic violence prosecutions because they are not easy winners for her office.
That's a huge problem.

Trust me.

That 17 year old didn't want to see the male go into the DOC system.


I mentioned my friend who's daughter is in abusive relationship yes? My friend is terrified for her daughter, but the kid is deep in the depths of batter spouse syndrome, she won't press charges against the douche. Becki (my friend) is at wit's end. She's done what we hope is the right thing and is doing tough love on her daughter.
Here's that part that kills me. I;m not sure if I drove this point home enough in the blog)

Your friend KNOWS that this is happening -- and she can't do a damn thing about it.

(strawman alert) If someone knew that a person was abusing a child, they could call the police -- and an investigation would happen.

That doesn't happen for women in domestic violence situations.

Your friend can't do anything -- and yet everyone knows what's happening.

Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2013 17:25:08
Quote by Raine:

(strawman alert) If someone knew that a person was abusing a child, they could call the police -- and an investigation would happen.



The way the law is written in this Commonwealth, if you're an authorized Reporting Party (Teacher, Doctor, Youth Leader, things of this nature) and you don't report suspected abuse....they could come after you for negligence.

I do not know how that applies to the battered spouse syndrome, though. Remember Remdawg's son murdering his gf here in Waltham? I know that apartment complex. How could he be this big abusive guy without anybody hearing?


Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2013 17:30:10
Speaking of the War on Thanksgiving, were you all aware that a certain Flagship Store of a Certain Outdoor Retailer was planning on being open 24 hours straight on Thanksgiving Day? And Christmas Eve? And Christmas Day? And every other day of the year for that matter?

Heartless Bastages.

(For bonus points - name the only 3 times the Flagship has ever been closed since it went to 24/7?)


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 17:39:52
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I have a friend who is a deputy for the JSO. She told me that 12 years on the job she has not had to testify in a single case of domestic violence. She's made arrests, but no one of them has ever been brought to trial.

What does this tell me? That the DA for Jacksonville, Pam Bondi doesn't put a priority on domestic violence prosecutions because they are not easy winners for her office.
That's a huge problem.

Trust me.

That 17 year old didn't want to see the male go into the DOC system.


I mentioned my friend who's daughter is in abusive relationship yes? My friend is terrified for her daughter, but the kid is deep in the depths of batter spouse syndrome, she won't press charges against the douche. Becki (my friend) is at wit's end. She's done what we hope is the right thing and is doing tough love on her daughter.
Here's that part that kills me. I;m not sure if I drove this point home enough in the blog)

Your friend KNOWS that this is happening -- and she can't do a damn thing about it.

(strawman alert) If someone knew that a person was abusing a child, they could call the police -- and an investigation would happen.

That doesn't happen for women in domestic violence situations.

Your friend can't do anything -- and yet everyone knows what's happening.



That is what is driving both of us nuts!

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 17:43:55
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:

(strawman alert) If someone knew that a person was abusing a child, they could call the police -- and an investigation would happen.



The way the law is written in this Commonwealth, if you're an authorized Reporting Party (Teacher, Doctor, Youth Leader, things of this nature) and you don't report suspected abuse....they could come after you for negligence.

I do not know how that applies to the battered spouse syndrome, though. Remember Remdawg's son murdering his gf here in Waltham? I know that apartment complex. How could he be this big abusive guy without anybody hearing?
people knew.

But to be honest -- there is nothing that can be done.

My point being -- the burden of proof.



Comment by velveeta jones on 11/20/2013 18:05:46
Golly, I'm sure Sean Hannity will take up a collection to help out poor George Z.

Comment by clintster on 11/20/2013 18:32:40
Meanwhile, the latest Medal of Freedom recipients will be honored tonight in Washington, and among them will be White Sox great Ernie Banks.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/20/2013 18:42:26
Comment by livingonli on 11/20/2013 18:58:52
Another day, another dollar. These shifts where I work until 2 AM are driving me nuts.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/20/2013 19:03:11
And now, your moment of zen.



Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2013 19:08:49


Hmm, I'm deep into the Prince of Darkness this afternoon...

http://www.quimper.fr/uploads/Image/0e/IMF_LARGE/GAB_QUIMPER/16490_530_LOGO-Miles-Davis_352.jpg


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 19:20:44
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I have a friend who is a deputy for the JSO. She told me that 12 years on the job she has not had to testify in a single case of domestic violence. She's made arrests, but no one of them has ever been brought to trial.

What does this tell me? That the DA for Jacksonville, Pam Bondi doesn't put a priority on domestic violence prosecutions because they are not easy winners for her office.
That's a huge problem.

Trust me.

That 17 year old didn't want to see the male go into the DOC system.


I mentioned my friend who's daughter is in abusive relationship yes? My friend is terrified for her daughter, but the kid is deep in the depths of batter spouse syndrome, she won't press charges against the douche. Becki (my friend) is at wit's end. She's done what we hope is the right thing and is doing tough love on her daughter.
Here's that part that kills me. I;m not sure if I drove this point home enough in the blog)

Your friend KNOWS that this is happening -- and she can't do a damn thing about it.

(strawman alert) If someone knew that a person was abusing a child, they could call the police -- and an investigation would happen.

That doesn't happen for women in domestic violence situations.

Your friend can't do anything -- and yet everyone knows what's happening.



Point of order, I should point out that the daughter in question is a adult, she is closing in on 30.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/20/2013 19:29:27
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:

(strawman alert) If someone knew that a person was abusing a child, they could call the police -- and an investigation would happen.



The way the law is written in this Commonwealth, if you're an authorized Reporting Party (Teacher, Doctor, Youth Leader, things of this nature) and you don't report suspected abuse....they could come after you for negligence.

I do not know how that applies to the battered spouse syndrome, though. Remember Remdawg's son murdering his gf here in Waltham? I know that apartment complex. How could he be this big abusive guy without anybody hearing?



The same law applies in Illinois and Indiana. I hate to say it, but stopping domestic violence seems to be not regarded as a high priority in many places. I think that we have generations of misogyny impacting law enforcement.


Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 19:31:58
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I have a friend who is a deputy for the JSO. She told me that 12 years on the job she has not had to testify in a single case of domestic violence. She's made arrests, but no one of them has ever been brought to trial.

What does this tell me? That the DA for Jacksonville, Pam Bondi doesn't put a priority on domestic violence prosecutions because they are not easy winners for her office.
That's a huge problem.

Trust me.

That 17 year old didn't want to see the male go into the DOC system.


I mentioned my friend who's daughter is in abusive relationship yes? My friend is terrified for her daughter, but the kid is deep in the depths of batter spouse syndrome, she won't press charges against the douche. Becki (my friend) is at wit's end. She's done what we hope is the right thing and is doing tough love on her daughter.
Here's that part that kills me. I;m not sure if I drove this point home enough in the blog)

Your friend KNOWS that this is happening -- and she can't do a damn thing about it.

(strawman alert) If someone knew that a person was abusing a child, they could call the police -- and an investigation would happen.

That doesn't happen for women in domestic violence situations.

Your friend can't do anything -- and yet everyone knows what's happening.



Point of order, I should point out that the daughter in question is a adult, she is closing in on 30.
I assumed she was well into her adult years.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 19:34:40
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I have a friend who is a deputy for the JSO. She told me that 12 years on the job she has not had to testify in a single case of domestic violence. She's made arrests, but no one of them has ever been brought to trial.

What does this tell me? That the DA for Jacksonville, Pam Bondi doesn't put a priority on domestic violence prosecutions because they are not easy winners for her office.
That's a huge problem.

Trust me.

That 17 year old didn't want to see the male go into the DOC system.


I mentioned my friend who's daughter is in abusive relationship yes? My friend is terrified for her daughter, but the kid is deep in the depths of batter spouse syndrome, she won't press charges against the douche. Becki (my friend) is at wit's end. She's done what we hope is the right thing and is doing tough love on her daughter.
Here's that part that kills me. I;m not sure if I drove this point home enough in the blog)

Your friend KNOWS that this is happening -- and she can't do a damn thing about it.

(strawman alert) If someone knew that a person was abusing a child, they could call the police -- and an investigation would happen.

That doesn't happen for women in domestic violence situations.

Your friend can't do anything -- and yet everyone knows what's happening.



Point of order, I should point out that the daughter in question is a adult, she is closing in on 30.
I assumed she was well into her adult years.



From the tenor of the conversation, I thought I hadn't made that clear. :curtsy:

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 19:36:51
This is why Patrick Steward is one of Salon's sexiest men of 2013.

As a child I heard in my home doctors and ambulance men say, ‘Mrs Stewart, you must have done something to provoke him. Mrs Stewart, it takes two to make an argument.’ Wrong. Wrong. My mother did nothing to provoke that and even if she had, violence is never, ever a choice that a man should make. Ever



I Sir Patrick. Best.Captain.Ever!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 20:23:04
Raine, you still looking for a cranberry sauce recipe?

I give you the one from Thug Kitchen:

HOMEMADE CRANBERRY SAUCE

12 ounces of fresh or frozen whole cranberries (a little over 3 cups)

½ cup water

¼ cup orange juice (use the juice of one orange or straight outta the carton, your call I don’t give a fuck)

3-4 tablespoons brown sugar

1 lemon

1 tablespoon bourbon (optional but I already know how you celebrate holidays)

Take a sharp ass knife and cut a sliver of the skin off the lemon about the size and length of your pointer finger. Just try not to get too much of the white part underneath the yellow skin because that shit can be pretty fucking bitter. Add the lemon zest slice and the rest of the ingredients to a medium saucepan and bring them to a gentle simmer over a medium heat. If you like your sauce a little sweeter, add the extra tablespoon of sugar but this bitch will be nice and tart either way. You will hear the cranberries start to burst which might be fucking confusing but it’s fine. Calm your shit. Maybe sip some of that bourbon. Stir every now and then but you want to keep that motherfucker bubbling until most of berries have burst and the sauce is starting to thicken up, about 10-12 minutes. Pull out the piece of lemon zest and let the sauce cool before serving. It will get thicker as it cools. You can cut some more lemon zest and garnish that motherfucker. Make it look all fancy and shit. Your guests will be like “Damn. You see that zest?”

Serves 4-6 as a sauce. Put it on whateverthefuck you want.


You're welcome.

Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2013 20:27:17
Sauce:

1. Go to store.
2. Buy can of sauce.
3. Push out of can in log shape, preserving ridges
4. Fight over who gets the end piece with your brother.
5. Squish the entire log and make him cry.
6. Go to your room for rest of dinner.





Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 20:37:27
Apropos of todays blog. This is a fascinating article. Zimmerman knew this girlfriend for 12 years. Read this. This is important stuff.

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 20:38:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
Raine, you still looking for a cranberry sauce recipe?

I give you the one from Thug Kitchen:

HOMEMADE CRANBERRY SAUCE

12 ounces of fresh or frozen whole cranberries (a little over 3 cups)

½ cup water

¼ cup orange juice (use the juice of one orange or straight outta the carton, your call I don’t give a fuck)

3-4 tablespoons brown sugar

1 lemon

1 tablespoon bourbon (optional but I already know how you celebrate holidays)

Take a sharp ass knife and cut a sliver of the skin off the lemon about the size and length of your pointer finger. Just try not to get too much of the white part underneath the yellow skin because that shit can be pretty fucking bitter. Add the lemon zest slice and the rest of the ingredients to a medium saucepan and bring them to a gentle simmer over a medium heat. If you like your sauce a little sweeter, add the extra tablespoon of sugar but this bitch will be nice and tart either way. You will hear the cranberries start to burst which might be fucking confusing but it’s fine. Calm your shit. Maybe sip some of that bourbon. Stir every now and then but you want to keep that motherfucker bubbling until most of berries have burst and the sauce is starting to thicken up, about 10-12 minutes. Pull out the piece of lemon zest and let the sauce cool before serving. It will get thicker as it cools. You can cut some more lemon zest and garnish that motherfucker. Make it look all fancy and shit. Your guests will be like “Damn. You see that zest?”

Serves 4-6 as a sauce. Put it on whateverthefuck you want.


You're welcome.
I think that was Tri. but this recipe looks pretty good!


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 20:52:03
Quote by TriSec:
Sauce:

1. Go to store.
2. Buy can of sauce.
3. Push out of can in log shape, preserving ridges
4. Fight over who gets the end piece with your brother.
5. Squish the entire log and make him cry.
6. Go to your room for rest of dinner.






Thank you for sharing the TriSec family holiday dysfunction!

Comment by BobR on 11/20/2013 21:16:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Sauce:

1. Go to store.
2. Buy can of sauce.
3. Push out of can in log shape, preserving ridges
4. Fight over who gets the end piece with your brother.
5. Squish the entire log and make him cry.
6. Go to your room for rest of dinner.






Thank you for sharing the TriSec family holiday dysfunction!

Ah - the holiday traditions... this is what memories are made of...

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 21:32:44
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Sauce:

1. Go to store.
2. Buy can of sauce.
3. Push out of can in log shape, preserving ridges
4. Fight over who gets the end piece with your brother.
5. Squish the entire log and make him cry.
6. Go to your room for rest of dinner.






Thank you for sharing the TriSec family holiday dysfunction!

Ah - the holiday traditions... this is what memories are made of...



I have little or no trauma from various relatives. The worst Thanksgiving was the Year of the Thompson Turkey. Which Poppa Mondo insisted we have. Mama Mondo was dubious. There was angry smoking and recrimination in the kitchen of our suburban home and tragically underdone bird.

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2013 21:38:39
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Sauce:

1. Go to store.
2. Buy can of sauce.
3. Push out of can in log shape, preserving ridges
4. Fight over who gets the end piece with your brother.
5. Squish the entire log and make him cry.
6. Go to your room for rest of dinner.






Thank you for sharing the TriSec family holiday dysfunction!

Ah - the holiday traditions... this is what memories are made of...



I have little or no trauma from various relatives. The worst Thanksgiving was the Year of the Thompson Turkey. Which Poppa Mondo insisted we have. Mama Mondo was dubious. There was angry smoking and recrimination in the kitchen of our suburban home and tragically underdone bird.
You all come talk to me when your 'pa' brings home with a wild bird for 'ma' to pluck and dress a few hours before dinner.

It'll be authentic! he said...

We ate dinner about 10:30 that night.




Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2013 21:59:11
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Sauce:

1. Go to store.
2. Buy can of sauce.
3. Push out of can in log shape, preserving ridges
4. Fight over who gets the end piece with your brother.
5. Squish the entire log and make him cry.
6. Go to your room for rest of dinner.






Thank you for sharing the TriSec family holiday dysfunction!

Ah - the holiday traditions... this is what memories are made of...



I have little or no trauma from various relatives. The worst Thanksgiving was the Year of the Thompson Turkey. Which Poppa Mondo insisted we have. Mama Mondo was dubious. There was angry smoking and recrimination in the kitchen of our suburban home and tragically underdone bird.
You all come talk to me when your 'pa' brings home with a wild bird for 'ma' to pluck and dress a few hours before dinner.

It'll be authentic! he said...

We ate dinner about 10:30 that night.





Oh yeah, you win.