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Living in a post-JFK World
Author: Raine
Date: 11/22/2013 13:40:37
A President was murdered 50 years ago today. I wasn't born yet. I grew up hearing great stories about this man President John F. Kennedy. I grew up around schools, libraries, and airports named after a much beloved President that had been killed one afternoon in Dallas Texas.I was taught about Camelot. I grew up seeing plates of Mr. Kennedy next to his wife. I grew up seeing things like this:
Images of President Kennedy were everywhere. He was the man who put us on the moon. He was exotic because he was Catholic. Everyone loved this man, I was told.
Yet, There was something else. I also grew up hearing about plots to kill the president; conspiracies were mentioned in hushed tones by the adults in my life. Words like communist, the Soviets, Castro, mafia, Hoover were mentioned in a way that I knew these were things not to be talked about. This was grown-up conversation, and it was private. Talk of what happened to the president was not encouraged. He had been assassinated, and what we may have heard as children was not to be discussed outside the home, if even that. We were children, we didn't need to know. It happened before I and my siblings were born. I have always lived in a post-JFK world. It was inferred that it was disrespectful to speak ill of a dead president. Still, the adults whispered about it. They whispered of affairs and Marilyn Monroe. They whispered because if they said it aloud, people might laugh at them... think that they were crazy. They whispered because it was considered too out there, too fringe.
As I grew up, these conspiracy theories became mainstream. With the onslaught of 24/7 news channels and my ability to go out in the world and read, I learned that the things I heard whispered quietly as a child had somehow became okay to discuss publicly, even the stranger theories about this man's murder, and subsequently, the murder of his brother, Robert. I've read the theories. Here on this blog there is ongoing debate. To me, he was a president that was killed before I was born. I have always lived in a post-JFK world. I never really identified with the red scare or the iron curtain. It was before my time. And, to be honest, I can say that I don't identify with those who were alive when President Kennedy was assassinated. Believing the Warren Commission or not is just not a priority for me. He was killed and the psyche of our nation was forever changed, so the historians say. I believe that, I saw it change again September of 2001. A new generation would now question: was it Mihop or Lihop?
I have always lived in a world where there are conspiracies everywhere. Perhaps it's because I live in a post-JFK world. What does it matter what I believe? Would it change anything? 50 years people have been claiming to know what happened, and 50 years things that were once considered fringe have now became the norm, Are we a better nation for it? Personally, I say no. Personally, I think my generation has suffered for it. This is what happens when the fringe is allowed to become normal. Perhaps this is the remnant of a cold war paranoia that still lingers in our society today. Perhaps we are all crazy ourselves, and in our collective search for our truth, we have prevented ourselves from really seeing. That makes us suffer as a nation.
In the mean time, 50 years ago today, we had a great man taken away from the nation, his family and the world. Everyone I know that was alive and of a certain age can tell you exactly where they were when they learned of his tragic fate. One can only hypothesize what would have happened had he not been gunned down in Dallas on November 22, 1963. 50 years later, people are still doing just that.
I dreamed I was the president of these United States
I dreamed I replaced ignorance, stupidity and hate
I dreamed the perfect union and a perfect law, undenied
And most of all I dreamed I forgot the day John Kennedy died
I dreamed that I could do the job that others hadn't done
I dreamed that I was uncorrupt and fair to everyone
I dreamed I wasn't gross or base, a criminal on the take
And most of all I dreamed I forgot the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
I remember where I was that day, I was upstate in a bar
The team from the university was playing football on TV
Then the screen went dead and the announcer said,
"There's been a tragedy
There's are unconfirmed reports the president's been shot
And he may be dead or dying."
Talking stopped, someone shouted, "What!?"
I ran out to the street
People were gathered everywhere saying,
Did you hear what they said on TV
And then a guy in a Porsche with his radio hit his horn
And told us the news
He said, "The president's dead, he was shot twice in the head
In Dallas, and they don't know by whom."
I dreamed I was the president of these United States
I dreamed I was young and smart and it was not a waste
I dreamed that there was a point to life and to the human race
I dreamed that I could somehow comprehend that someone
Shot him in the face
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Lou Reed, 1982
and 
Raine
Images of President Kennedy were everywhere. He was the man who put us on the moon. He was exotic because he was Catholic. Everyone loved this man, I was told.
Yet, There was something else. I also grew up hearing about plots to kill the president; conspiracies were mentioned in hushed tones by the adults in my life. Words like communist, the Soviets, Castro, mafia, Hoover were mentioned in a way that I knew these were things not to be talked about. This was grown-up conversation, and it was private. Talk of what happened to the president was not encouraged. He had been assassinated, and what we may have heard as children was not to be discussed outside the home, if even that. We were children, we didn't need to know. It happened before I and my siblings were born. I have always lived in a post-JFK world. It was inferred that it was disrespectful to speak ill of a dead president. Still, the adults whispered about it. They whispered of affairs and Marilyn Monroe. They whispered because if they said it aloud, people might laugh at them... think that they were crazy. They whispered because it was considered too out there, too fringe.
As I grew up, these conspiracy theories became mainstream. With the onslaught of 24/7 news channels and my ability to go out in the world and read, I learned that the things I heard whispered quietly as a child had somehow became okay to discuss publicly, even the stranger theories about this man's murder, and subsequently, the murder of his brother, Robert. I've read the theories. Here on this blog there is ongoing debate. To me, he was a president that was killed before I was born. I have always lived in a post-JFK world. I never really identified with the red scare or the iron curtain. It was before my time. And, to be honest, I can say that I don't identify with those who were alive when President Kennedy was assassinated. Believing the Warren Commission or not is just not a priority for me. He was killed and the psyche of our nation was forever changed, so the historians say. I believe that, I saw it change again September of 2001. A new generation would now question: was it Mihop or Lihop?
I have always lived in a world where there are conspiracies everywhere. Perhaps it's because I live in a post-JFK world. What does it matter what I believe? Would it change anything? 50 years people have been claiming to know what happened, and 50 years things that were once considered fringe have now became the norm, Are we a better nation for it? Personally, I say no. Personally, I think my generation has suffered for it. This is what happens when the fringe is allowed to become normal.
A half-century later, few people are laughing. After Kennedy’s death in Dallas, the notion of conspiracy moved permanently into the political mainstream. The assassination and its unknown motive became a benchmark conundrum for anyone with even a faint interest in public life. Americans of all stripes found it difficult to accept that such a monumental tragedy could be the random act of one man. Theories, ranging from the Warren Commission’s Report’s official finding that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone to speculation about additional shooters and Oswald being connected to the Mafia, CIA or other shadowy operatives, became part of American life.
The mainstreaming of conspiracy changed the political process in the U.S. by suggesting that candidates might win elections by running against government. The rhetoric of the Tea Party and the recent congressional attempts to bring down the administration of President Barack Obama at all costs are the legacy of JFK’s assassination.
In the mean time, 50 years ago today, we had a great man taken away from the nation, his family and the world. Everyone I know that was alive and of a certain age can tell you exactly where they were when they learned of his tragic fate. One can only hypothesize what would have happened had he not been gunned down in Dallas on November 22, 1963. 50 years later, people are still doing just that.
I dreamed I replaced ignorance, stupidity and hate
I dreamed the perfect union and a perfect law, undenied
And most of all I dreamed I forgot the day John Kennedy died
I dreamed that I could do the job that others hadn't done
I dreamed that I was uncorrupt and fair to everyone
I dreamed I wasn't gross or base, a criminal on the take
And most of all I dreamed I forgot the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
I remember where I was that day, I was upstate in a bar
The team from the university was playing football on TV
Then the screen went dead and the announcer said,
"There's been a tragedy
There's are unconfirmed reports the president's been shot
And he may be dead or dying."
Talking stopped, someone shouted, "What!?"
I ran out to the street
People were gathered everywhere saying,
Did you hear what they said on TV
And then a guy in a Porsche with his radio hit his horn
And told us the news
He said, "The president's dead, he was shot twice in the head
In Dallas, and they don't know by whom."
I dreamed I was the president of these United States
I dreamed I was young and smart and it was not a waste
I dreamed that there was a point to life and to the human race
I dreamed that I could somehow comprehend that someone
Shot him in the face
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Oh, the day John Kennedy died
Lou Reed, 1982
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/22/2013 14:01:47
wickedpam on 11/22/2013 14:01:47
Morning 
I'm wondering if today Conspiracy Theory's are yesterdays Urban Legends and even farther back folk lore and fairy tales. They all have the barest kernel of truth but are built on fantasy.
You know the one thing I think we really got cheated on during this whole time in history, President Robert Kennedy. I've heard over and over again how he was Jack's enforcer, I can't not think he would have been amazing and really laid down the base for some quality liberal policies.
It's all just a shame.
I'm wondering if today Conspiracy Theory's are yesterdays Urban Legends and even farther back folk lore and fairy tales. They all have the barest kernel of truth but are built on fantasy.
You know the one thing I think we really got cheated on during this whole time in history, President Robert Kennedy. I've heard over and over again how he was Jack's enforcer, I can't not think he would have been amazing and really laid down the base for some quality liberal policies.
It's all just a shame.
Comment by 
Raine on 11/22/2013 14:06:36
I could not agree more. I feel cheated about that as well.
Raine on 11/22/2013 14:06:36
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
I'm wondering if today Conspiracy Theory's are yesterdays Urban Legends and even farther back folk lore and fairy tales. They all have the barest kernel of truth but are built on fantasy.
You know the one thing I think we really got cheated on during this whole time in history, President Robert Kennedy. I've heard over and over again how he was Jack's enforcer, I can't not think he would have been amazing and really laid down the base for some quality liberal policies.
It's all just a shame.
I could not agree more. I feel cheated about that as well.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 14:08:35
good morning....
Today's show is going to be a challenge.
Raine on 11/22/2013 14:08:35
good morning.... Today's show is going to be a challenge.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 14:18:21
Raine on 11/22/2013 14:18:21
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2013 14:35:51
wickedpam on 11/22/2013 14:35:51
ZImmerman is single again and I'm STILL not that desperate.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 14:37:24
Why? he's so huggable... 
Raine on 11/22/2013 14:37:24
Quote by wickedpam:
ZImmerman is single again and I'm STILL not that desperate.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2013 14:38:34
I'd have to have a silkwood shower just being the same room.
wickedpam on 11/22/2013 14:38:34
Quote by Raine:Why? he's so huggable...Quote by wickedpam:
ZImmerman is single again and I'm STILL not that desperate.
I'd have to have a silkwood shower just being the same room.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 14:46:31
"...The body is was chemically treated by J. Edgar Hoover and put in a decoy casket for transport to Roswell, NM..."
Well played "The Onion" staff, well played.
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 14:46:31
Quote by Raine:When you can, read the articles...Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Too Soon?
"...The body is was chemically treated by J. Edgar Hoover and put in a decoy casket for transport to Roswell, NM..."
Well played "The Onion" staff, well played.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 14:47:16
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 14:47:16
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Why? he's so huggable...Quote by wickedpam:
ZImmerman is single again and I'm STILL not that desperate.
I'd have to have a silkwood shower just being the same room.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/22/2013 14:55:52
Scoopster on 11/22/2013 14:55:52
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee!! 
They REALLY went all out on this one
Quote by Raine:When you can, read the articles... =)Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Too Soon?
They REALLY went all out on this one
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 15:11:24
Raine on 11/22/2013 15:11:24
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 15:12:44
Raine on 11/22/2013 15:12:44
here we go....
Now I hope jim doesn't get all defensive.
Now I hope jim doesn't get all defensive.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2013 15:16:39
I've kinda tuned it out at this point
wickedpam on 11/22/2013 15:16:39
Quote by Raine:
here we go....
Now I hope jim doesn't get all defensive.
I've kinda tuned it out at this point
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 15:17:40
Raine on 11/22/2013 15:17:40
I hope that my blog today didn't appear dismissive of people who lived thru this time.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 15:50:10
If I am reading this correctly this is the secret public option that was slipped in the ACA law.
I also believe that there was a push to expand it to Bronze and gold
Raine on 11/22/2013 15:50:10
Quote by Scoopster:
Wow did you guys know about this? I sure didn't!
I also believe that there was a push to expand it to Bronze and gold
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2013 15:53:15
wickedpam on 11/22/2013 15:53:15
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 16:01:38
Raine on 11/22/2013 16:01:38
Oy.
HEre's the thing -- I think there are planty of unanswered question about the murder of JFK -- but I also believe as I said in the blog, in our collective search for our truth, we have prevented ourselves from really seeing.
If we continue to look to the past, we will miss what is happening here and now -- and what is happening here and now is appalling.
HEre's the thing -- I think there are planty of unanswered question about the murder of JFK -- but I also believe as I said in the blog, in our collective search for our truth, we have prevented ourselves from really seeing.
If we continue to look to the past, we will miss what is happening here and now -- and what is happening here and now is appalling.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 16:27:15
Raine on 11/22/2013 16:27:15
The masons aren't as secret as conspiracy theorists think. 
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 16:29:58
Raine on 11/22/2013 16:29:58
Quote by Raine:I could be confusing things... however, something that also gets lost in the noise is this:Quote by Raine:If I am reading this correctly this is the secret public option that was slipped in the ACA law.Quote by Scoopster:
Wow did you guys know about this? I sure didn't!
I also believe that there was a push to expand it to Bronze and gold
Here's the thing, under the PPACA, the federal government is required to sponsor at least two health insurance plans.These multistate plans were included in President Obama’s health care law as a substitute for a pure government-run health insurance program — the public option sought by many liberal Democrats and reviled by Republicans. Supporters of the national plans say they will increase competition in state health insurance markets, many of which are dominated by a handful of companies.
The national plans will compete directly with other private insurers and may have some significant advantages, including a federal seal of approval. Premiums and benefits for the multistate insurance plans will be negotiated by the United States Office of Personnel Management, the agency that arranges health benefits for federal employees.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 16:35:18
Fnord!
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 16:35:18
Quote by Raine:
The masons aren't as secret as conspiracy theorists think.
Fnord!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/22/2013 16:36:33
Will in Chicago on 11/22/2013 16:36:33
Good morning, bloggers!! I have to head out soon but I thought I would share what I wrote on Facebook:
Today marks a sad anniversary: the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. We will likely have the debate over what happened that day continue for generations.
However, I think that there are lessons we can draw from this tragedy. Before his death, there were those who called Kennedy a communist and a traitor, poisoning the political atmosphere with hate. Similarly, there were those who levied similar accusations against Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy. Nor are accusations of disloyalty to nation or faith an American phenomenon, as both Anwar Sadat and Yitzhak Rabin were assassinated by those who called them traitors and heretics. (Some opposed to Rabin called him a Nazi.) What I think we can learn from the tragedy of John Fitzgerald Kennedy's murder and other similar tragedies is not to poison the political atmosphere with hate. There are people whom I disagree with politically, but I would never want harm to come to them or their families. Would that we would learn that we can disagree with people, and still not question their basic motives or humanity.
Raine, I don't think that your blog was dismissive. Rather, we may never know the whole truth. I think that the pursuit of the truth is important, but have we, as a nation, as a species, learned much in the wake of John F. Kennedy's assassination? Sadly, I have to say no. Considering the rhetoric launched at President Obama, I have to say it is little different from what the Birchers said about John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
Today marks a sad anniversary: the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. We will likely have the debate over what happened that day continue for generations.
However, I think that there are lessons we can draw from this tragedy. Before his death, there were those who called Kennedy a communist and a traitor, poisoning the political atmosphere with hate. Similarly, there were those who levied similar accusations against Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy. Nor are accusations of disloyalty to nation or faith an American phenomenon, as both Anwar Sadat and Yitzhak Rabin were assassinated by those who called them traitors and heretics. (Some opposed to Rabin called him a Nazi.) What I think we can learn from the tragedy of John Fitzgerald Kennedy's murder and other similar tragedies is not to poison the political atmosphere with hate. There are people whom I disagree with politically, but I would never want harm to come to them or their families. Would that we would learn that we can disagree with people, and still not question their basic motives or humanity.
Raine, I don't think that your blog was dismissive. Rather, we may never know the whole truth. I think that the pursuit of the truth is important, but have we, as a nation, as a species, learned much in the wake of John F. Kennedy's assassination? Sadly, I have to say no. Considering the rhetoric launched at President Obama, I have to say it is little different from what the Birchers said about John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2013 16:44:52
Can we have the show back now?
wickedpam on 11/22/2013 16:44:52
Can we have the show back now?
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 16:54:52
IT was fine until someone challenged jim -- he got very defensive.
Ya see, that's where he loses me. *sigh*
Raine on 11/22/2013 16:54:52
Quote by wickedpam:
Can we have the show back now?
Ya see, that's where he loses me. *sigh*
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 16:57:13
Jim, take your Ritalin.
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 16:57:13
Quote by Raine:IT was fine until someone challenged jim -- he got very defensive.Quote by wickedpam:
Can we have the show back now?
Ya see, that's where he loses me. *sigh*
Jim, take your Ritalin.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 17:03:50
Geobbles supporter... (KIDDING!)
Raine on 11/22/2013 17:03:50
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:IT was fine until someone challenged jim -- he got very defensive.Quote by wickedpam:
Can we have the show back now?
Ya see, that's where he loses me. *sigh*
Jim, take your Ritalin.
(KIDDING!)
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 17:06:39
We are cracking ourselves up today. So this how it is going to be, Friday? Well good!
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 17:06:39
Quote by Raine:Geobbles supporter...Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:IT was fine until someone challenged jim -- he got very defensive.Quote by wickedpam:
Can we have the show back now?
Ya see, that's where he loses me. *sigh*
Jim, take your Ritalin.
We are cracking ourselves up today. So this how it is going to be, Friday? Well good!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 17:11:13
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 17:11:13
Will, I hope you have a blessed and thankful Thanksgivukkah.
On Oct. 8, 662873 Hanukkah will coincide with Columbus Day. Celebrate Columbukkah Day by watching the Hyman Roth scenes from The Godfather: Part II.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 17:23:07
Raine on 11/22/2013 17:23:07
So this isn't cool.
The Lunenburg team is now the focus in racial graffiti discovered Friday morning spray-painted on the house of 13-year-old Lunenburg player Isaac A. Phillips, who alleges wrongdoing by teammates.
Ms. Calmes thanked the community for attending a vigil Sunday night and for supporting Isaac and his family who were the targets of an "act of hate." She said the district will continue to make its resources available to assist the family.
She also confirmed an investigation into allegations related to racial slurs by Lunenburg players directed toward Worcester South High Community School football players a few weeks ago.
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/22/2013 17:34:55
TriSec on 11/22/2013 17:34:55
Hi all.
Well of course I feel a little bit closer to the Kennedys than you all....his baby brother was of course my Senator since before I was born.
My mother cast her first vote in the 1960 election to send the good Senator to the White House....
I used to work just a few blocks from the JFK birthplace in Brookline; I'd walk past it on occasion.
And there is a blue china plate miniature, with the President's silhouette in gold in my mother's hutch. That will be mine someday.
My stepmother is the one with the Kennedy story....her mother was no Kennedy fan, but on the early morning of June 7, 1968...she woke up my teenaged stepmum and blurted out, "They did it again!!".
Seems like things have never really been the same in America since then.
Well of course I feel a little bit closer to the Kennedys than you all....his baby brother was of course my Senator since before I was born.
My mother cast her first vote in the 1960 election to send the good Senator to the White House....
I used to work just a few blocks from the JFK birthplace in Brookline; I'd walk past it on occasion.
And there is a blue china plate miniature, with the President's silhouette in gold in my mother's hutch. That will be mine someday.
My stepmother is the one with the Kennedy story....her mother was no Kennedy fan, but on the early morning of June 7, 1968...she woke up my teenaged stepmum and blurted out, "They did it again!!".
Seems like things have never really been the same in America since then.
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2013 17:46:08
TriSec on 11/22/2013 17:46:08
Oh, and I'm surprised that there's no RW outrage over the president ordering flags to half-staff today.
After all, I don't recall him doing so for the anniversary of Reagan's passing this past June...
After all, I don't recall him doing so for the anniversary of Reagan's passing this past June...
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 18:56:15
Raine on 11/22/2013 18:56:15
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)
As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 18:59:34
Because he wants to use a website that works? :skates to penalty booth:
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 18:59:34
Quote by Raine:
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
Because he wants to use a website that works? :skates to penalty booth:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 19:01:21
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 19:01:21
One of my coworkers found our a friend of his has leukemia and asked me to keep his friend in my thoughts or prayers. I told him I would keep his friend in my thoughts. I mentioned to him that I would ask my friends to do the same. His friend's name is Jim Maganuso.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 19:01:45
If you read the post his biggest bitch was that it took so long -- but he go thru.
I;d really like to know -- is he claiming DC as a residence?
Raine on 11/22/2013 19:01:45
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
Because he wants to use a website that works? :skates to penalty booth:
I;d really like to know -- is he claiming DC as a residence?
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 19:02:24
You got it, Mondo --
Raine on 11/22/2013 19:02:24
Quote by Mondobubba:
One of my coworkers found our a friend of his has leukemia and asked me to keep his friend in my thoughts or prayers. I told him I would keep his friend in my thoughts. I mentioned to him that I would ask my friends to do the same. His friend's name is Jim Maganuso.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/22/2013 19:06:14
Don't worry Tri.. Glenn Beck has you covered (in a different way).
Scoopster on 11/22/2013 19:06:14
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, and I'm surprised that there's no RW outrage over the president ordering flags to half-staff today.
After all, I don't recall him doing so for the anniversary of Reagan's passing this past June...
Don't worry Tri.. Glenn Beck has you covered (in a different way).
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2013 19:17:00
Sure thing
wickedpam on 11/22/2013 19:17:00
Quote by Raine:You got it, Mondo --Quote by Mondobubba:
One of my coworkers found our a friend of his has leukemia and asked me to keep his friend in my thoughts or prayers. I told him I would keep his friend in my thoughts. I mentioned to him that I would ask my friends to do the same. His friend's name is Jim Maganuso.
Sure thing
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 19:17:16
Yeah, I want to know this as well. Cause you know you say you're from Ohio, John
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 19:17:16
Quote by Raine:If you read the post his biggest bitch was that it took so long -- but he go thru.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
Because he wants to use a website that works? :skates to penalty booth:
I;d really like to know -- is he claiming DC as a residence?
Yeah, I want to know this as well. Cause you know you say you're from Ohio, John
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2013 19:19:01
That's what I was wondering! 1) he's a member of congress doesn't he get free healthcare for the rest of his list? and 2) why is he using the DC site, he's from Ohio.
wickedpam on 11/22/2013 19:19:01
Quote by Raine:
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
That's what I was wondering! 1) he's a member of congress doesn't he get free healthcare for the rest of his list? and 2) why is he using the DC site, he's from Ohio.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 19:28:13
I am thinking that since he works in DC that is where needs to get his insurance?
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 19:28:13
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
That's what I was wondering! 1) he's a member of congress doesn't he get free healthcare for the rest of his list? and 2) why is he using the DC site, he's from Ohio.
I am thinking that since he works in DC that is where needs to get his insurance?
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 19:37:15
I was wondering that myself -- but let me ask you this: does your insurance cover you if you are in anther state?
Raine on 11/22/2013 19:37:15
Quote by Mondobubba:
I am thinking that since he works in DC that is where needs to get his insurance?
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 19:40:16
I'm pretty sure his insurance isn't cancelled. I;m not sure but I think it's still open enrollment time.
Raine on 11/22/2013 19:40:16
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
That's what I was wondering! 1) he's a member of congress doesn't he get free healthcare for the rest of his life? and 2) why is he using the DC site, he's from Ohio.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 19:48:54
Raine on 11/22/2013 19:48:54
I got an answer to my question, and i to be honest now I believe this was yet another stupid stunt.
That is true. As long as their constituents have access to “in-person support sessions†like the ones being conducted at the Capitol and congressional office buildings by the local exchange and four major insurers. Or can log on to a special Blue Cross and Blue Shield website for members of Congress and use a special toll-free telephone number — a “dedicated congressional health insurance plan assistance line.â€
(snip)
While millions of Americans have been left to fend for themselves and go through the frustrating experience of trying to navigate the federal exchange, members of Congress and their aides have all sorts of assistance to help them sort through their options and enroll.
Lawmakers and the employees who work in their “official offices†will receive coverage next year through the small-business marketplace of the local insurance exchange, known as D.C. Health Link, which has staff members close at hand for guidance.
“D.C. Health Link set up shop right here in Congress,†said Eleanor Holmes Norton, the delegate to the House from the nation’s capital.
Insurers routinely offer “member services†to enrollees. But on Capitol Hill, the phrase has special meaning, indicating concierge-type services for members of Congress.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 19:50:57
This might shed a little more light on the why he's enrolling. But not the residency issues.
Here's the whole article.
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 19:50:57
Quote by Raine:I'm pretty sure his insurance isn't cancelled. I;m not sure but I think it's still open enrollment time.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
That's what I was wondering! 1) he's a member of congress doesn't he get free healthcare for the rest of his life? and 2) why is he using the DC site, he's from Ohio.
This might shed a little more light on the why he's enrolling. But not the residency issues.
Thanks to a Republican amendment to the Affordable Care Act, most members of Congress will see their government-provided health insurance lapse at the end of the year, leaving many of them no other choice but to enroll in dreaded Obamacare.
As speaker of the House, Boehner is technically exempt from the requirement, but in order to avoid the accusation of special treatment (i.e., because of politics) he decided to take the plunge, too. And he wants you to know how difficult it was. He even wrote a blog post about it.
Here's the whole article.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2013 19:52:38
poor suffering fool. Read the NYT piece I posted.
Asshole.
Raine on 11/22/2013 19:52:38
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I'm pretty sure his insurance isn't cancelled. I;m not sure but I think it's still open enrollment time.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
That's what I was wondering! 1) he's a member of congress doesn't he get free healthcare for the rest of his life? and 2) why is he using the DC site, he's from Ohio.
This might shed a little more light on the why he's enrolling. But not the residency issues.Thanks to a Republican amendment to the Affordable Care Act, most members of Congress will see their government-provided health insurance lapse at the end of the year, leaving many of them no other choice but to enroll in dreaded Obamacare.
As speaker of the House, Boehner is technically exempt from the requirement, but in order to avoid the accusation of special treatment (i.e., because of politics) he decided to take the plunge, too. And he wants you to know how difficult it was. He even wrote a blog post about it.
Here's the whole article.
poor suffering fool. Read the NYT piece I posted.
Asshole.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 20:23:57
Yep he was trying to go for the whole I feel your pain, America photo op / blog post. Dick.
Mondobubba on 11/22/2013 20:23:57
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I'm pretty sure his insurance isn't cancelled. I;m not sure but I think it's still open enrollment time.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I need help here: is John Boeehner actually claiming to be a resident of DC?
HE's be the second congressional member doing this (behind Michelle Bachmann)As it turns out, his willingness to “keep trying†was a good idea. Boehner, who is not yet eligible for Medicare, “called the DC Health Link help line,†and a “few hours later,†the process was complete. He’d signed up for health insurance.
Oddly enough, the Republican House Speaker didn’t offer any details about his new health care plan. One would assume that if he’d experienced “sticker shock,†or been stuck choosing a plan that cost far more than his current coverage, Boehner would have mentioned it. Indeed, he would have been eager to mention it, since it would advance his larger political goals.
So why was Boehner silent on this point? Probably because he was able to save some money on an affordable plan – despite being a 64-year-old chain-smoker.
That's what I was wondering! 1) he's a member of congress doesn't he get free healthcare for the rest of his life? and 2) why is he using the DC site, he's from Ohio.
This might shed a little more light on the why he's enrolling. But not the residency issues.Thanks to a Republican amendment to the Affordable Care Act, most members of Congress will see their government-provided health insurance lapse at the end of the year, leaving many of them no other choice but to enroll in dreaded Obamacare.
As speaker of the House, Boehner is technically exempt from the requirement, but in order to avoid the accusation of special treatment (i.e., because of politics) he decided to take the plunge, too. And he wants you to know how difficult it was. He even wrote a blog post about it.
Here's the whole article.
poor suffering fool. Read the NYT piece I posted.
Asshole.
Yep he was trying to go for the whole I feel your pain, America photo op / blog post. Dick.