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The Art of the Deal
Author: BobR    Date: 2013-11-25 11:48:07

The prevailing wisdom in politics for much of my voting adult life was that Democrats were better with domestic policy, and Republicans were better with foreign policy. This was during the time that Reagan supposedly single-handedly brought an end to communism and the demise of the USSR, and Clinton over saw the tech explosion of the 90s and eliminated the budget deficit.

Of course - that was before President Bush (the younger) created the foreign policy disaster that was Iraq, and managed to irritate and alienate most of our allies (British prime minister Tony Blair excepted). He also managed to destroy the economy with massive tax cuts early in his administration combined with lax regulation that created the unsustainable balloons which popped right before President Obama came into office.

Where Bush proved himself incapabible in both foreign and domestic policy, Obama has proved himself worthy in both regards. He brought the country back from the brink of economic disaster with stimulus spending, and has managed to maintain a slow steady growth in the economy while still managing to shrink the budget deficits left to him by Bush. He has also (eventually) wound down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, got rid of Osama bin Laden, repaired relations with allies, and worked with NATO and the UN to help bring about change in several Middle Eastern countries without committing ourselves to an expensive and deadly conventional war.

It was just such an approach of strength backed by options that led to the destruction of chemical weapons in Syria, and has now led to a deal with Iran to ratchet down their nuclear program. It reminds me of Jimmy Carter's deft approach, where you talk and treat the other person with respect, while the strength of the US is quietly there under the hum, and give the other side the ability to come to an agreement without losing face.

The Republicans and Israeli hardliners, on the other hand, want to rub their faces in it. The similarity of the reactions are disgustingly similar and have the same familiar schoolyard bully quality to it. In their minds, it's no fun if you can't make them say "uncle".

In Israel, Netanyahu is facing a double-sided whammy. The right-wingers (Israel's version of the neocons) wanted Israel under their boot heel. Netanyahu is losing face because this NATO deal happened with (or perhaps despite) his opposition to it. This makes him seem to be ineffectual, which is somewhat deserved. Like Republicans here at home, if you are not willing to sit down and hammer out a deal that is mutually beneficial, then you will be left to look like a hack.

Republicans here at home are opposed to the deal because, well - to be frank: because President Obama is behind it. The Constitution is a little fuzzy on this sort of thing. Article II, Section 2 says (regarding the president) "He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur". Article I, Section 8 says that "The Congress shall have power to [...] regulate commerce with foreign nations". So it would seem that Congress (in particular the Senate) holds the cards on whether the United States can and/or will comply with this deal.

However, it seems that the sanctions themselves have some "trojan horses" that the White House can exploit:
Hawkish when it comes to pressuring Iran, Congress does have options at its disposal to try to torpedo a deal. But it's important to remember that the White House, as the primary arbiter of foreign policy, has avenues to offer relief to the Islamic Republic by going over the heads of lawmakers who might stand in its way.

"It's pretty clear sanctions relief that would be offered to Iran would have to be measures that would not require congressional approval, [partly] because of the overriding hostility in the Congress to Iran," says former State Department nonproliferation chief Mark Fitzpatrick...
[...]
Here's how that could happen. For starters, virtually every sanctions bill Congress has passed allows the administration to suspend the measures, usually for four months, by certifying it's in America's national security interest to do so. "We believe we have a significant amount of flexibility within those laws," one senior administration official says.

There are other options as well - check out the link...

Like the ACA, the Republicans in Congress are desperate not to let President Obama have yet another accomplishment on his record. Like the president's previous accomplishments, they will not be successful in killing this one either. It's hard to believe that he is able to work a deal more easily with the Iranian government than he is with Republicans in this country. Imagine how far along we'd be if the Republicans in Congress were as willing to work with him as the Iranians are?
 

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Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 13:48:35
Good morning!

OK Monday -- can we heat this morning up? 23 degrees, not liking it so much -- not in November.

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 13:54:27
For all the teeth gnashing and whining the GOP is doing -- may I remind them that Obama is trying to prevent a nuclear armed Iran.

They all seem to forget that Reagan actually illegally armed Iran....



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 13:57:04
Quote by Raine:
Good morning!

OK Monday -- can we heat this morning up? 23 degrees, not liking it so much -- not in November.



Yeah that 31 degree low was a little much! It is only going to be about 70 today! Oh the humanity!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 14:00:33
Quote by Raine:
For all the teeth gnashing and whining the GOP is doing -- may I remind them that Obama is trying to prevent a nuclear armed Iran.

They all seem to forget that Reagan actually illegally armed Iran....




But, but Saint Ronnie of Santa Barbara could never have been wrong!

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 14:17:55
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 14:22:12
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.



Nope, TWD, a good show was on. Mala?

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 14:26:12
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.



Nope, TWD, a good show was on. Mala?
You know she doesn't watch it until later in the week, Mondo.

And last nights FG was actually shocking.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 14:29:29
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.



Nope, TWD, a good show was on. Mala?
You know she doesn't watch it until later in the week, Mondo.

And last nights FG was actually shocking.



I still have last week's epi to discuss since I've seen all of it. So, Family Guy?

Comment by wickedpam on 11/25/2013 14:41:14
Morning

Comment by wickedpam on 11/25/2013 14:43:20
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.



Nope, TWD, a good show was on. Mala?



I just watched last weeks - btw really good epi all Governor-centric. Man would have been a cult leader in any version of the world.

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 14:44:53
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.



Nope, TWD, a good show was on. Mala?
You know she doesn't watch it until later in the week, Mondo.

And last nights FG was actually shocking.



I still have last week's epi to discuss since I've seen all of it. So, Family Guy?
HEre is one headline:

Family Guy Shocking Dead Upstages Walking Dead Shocking Death

I'm reluctant to post a link and spoil it for anyone.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/25/2013 14:44:57
Family Guy? Haven't watched that in a while. I run hot and cold on Seth MacFarland.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/25/2013 14:46:12
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.



Nope, TWD, a good show was on. Mala?
You know she doesn't watch it until later in the week, Mondo.

And last nights FG was actually shocking.



I still have last week's epi to discuss since I've seen all of it. So, Family Guy?
HEre is one headline:

Family Guy Shocking Dead Upstages Walking Dead Shocking Death

I'm reluctant to post a link and spoil it for anyone.



A shocking death on TWD? I don't know that there is such a thing anymore.

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 14:54:05
Quote by wickedpam:
Family Guy? Haven't watched that in a while. I run hot and cold on Seth MacFarland.
I run Hot and cold as well. I happened upon it channel surfing last night.

Family guy is all over the place in syndication so I don't usually make it a TV destination.




Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 14:54:18
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.



Nope, TWD, a good show was on. Mala?
You know she doesn't watch it until later in the week, Mondo.

And last nights FG was actually shocking.



I still have last week's epi to discuss since I've seen all of it. So, Family Guy?
HEre is one headline:

Family Guy Shocking Dead Upstages Walking Dead Shocking Death

I'm reluctant to post a link and spoil it for anyone.



A shocking death on TWD? I don't know that there is such a thing anymore.



Oh when you see this week's epi you will be shocked.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 15:09:25
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Family Guy? Haven't watched that in a while. I run hot and cold on Seth MacFarland.
I run Hot and cold as well. I happened upon it channel surfing last night.

Family guy is all over the place in syndication so I don't usually make it a TV destination.





I'm not surprised by this turn of events. Seth McFarland has been saying for awhile now that he wants to wrap the show up.

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 15:11:40
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Family Guy? Haven't watched that in a while. I run hot and cold on Seth MacFarland.
I run Hot and cold as well. I happened upon it channel surfing last night.

Family guy is all over the place in syndication so I don't usually make it a TV destination.





I'm not surprised by this turn of events. Seth McFarland has been saying for awhile now that he wants to wrap the show up.
I think this was made clear.






Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 15:12:21
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.



Nope, TWD, a good show was on. Mala?
You know she doesn't watch it until later in the week, Mondo.

And last nights FG was actually shocking.



I still have last week's epi to discuss since I've seen all of it. So, Family Guy?
HEre is one headline:

Family Guy Shocking Dead Upstages Walking Dead Shocking Death

I'm reluctant to post a link and spoil it for anyone.



A shocking death on TWD? I don't know that there is such a thing anymore.



Mala, don't do a search on the headline about FG major, major spoiler for last night's TWD.



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 15:13:45
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Family Guy? Haven't watched that in a while. I run hot and cold on Seth MacFarland.
I run Hot and cold as well. I happened upon it channel surfing last night.

Family guy is all over the place in syndication so I don't usually make it a TV destination.





I'm not surprised by this turn of events. Seth McFarland has been saying for awhile now that he wants to wrap the show up.
I think this was made clear.







A little harsh, yes. But you know major characters die on the teevee mosheen.


Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 15:14:07
Since T-day is upon is, this must be posted, from Tante Marie.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/25/2013 15:36:06
Raine check you email for incoming

Comment by wickedpam on 11/25/2013 15:37:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone watch Family Guy last night? I happened upon it, and rather wish I didn't.



Nope, TWD, a good show was on. Mala?
You know she doesn't watch it until later in the week, Mondo.

And last nights FG was actually shocking.



I still have last week's epi to discuss since I've seen all of it. So, Family Guy?
HEre is one headline:

Family Guy Shocking Dead Upstages Walking Dead Shocking Death

I'm reluctant to post a link and spoil it for anyone.



A shocking death on TWD? I don't know that there is such a thing anymore.



Mala, don't do a search on the headline about FG major, major spoiler for last night's TWD.




okey dokey

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 15:43:04
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine check you email for incoming
Will do!


Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 16:13:23
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 16:31:02
Quote by Raine:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7332/11050735455_c57b0540d7_b.jpg


LINKITY LINK!



Suck it, VA Republicans!

Comment by Scoopster on 11/25/2013 16:44:52
Mornin' all..

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 17:14:30
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131125-internet-reacts-to-cornyn.jpg


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 17:24:12
Quote by Raine:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131125-internet-reacts-to-cornyn.jpg



Yeah, cling to that Johnny-Boy. You know there are two tracks for policy, foreign and domestic, right? What a head

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 17:34:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131125-internet-reacts-to-cornyn.jpg



Yeah, cling to that Johnny-Boy. You know there are two tracks for policy, foreign and domestic, right? What a head
You know, honestly, It's not just him. It's Steve Doocy and a shitload of others.

They really can't see the world as many thins happening at once, can they? As soon as things settle down, they'll be back to benghazi.

Cause god forbid, life goes one with out the GOP babies whining about Obamacare --

What the FUCK is wrong Never mind -- WE have total idiots in office that do a great disservice to our country.

Bottom feeders.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/25/2013 17:35:00

I fucking love that guy.. He's one of my favorite guitarists of the newer guard.

Comment by Raine on 11/25/2013 17:35:23
Comment by Scoopster on 11/25/2013 17:37:47
Oh look.. Yale's on lockdown, reports of someone with a gun 'on campus'.

If I didn't know New Haven as well as I do, I'd be freaking out a lot more. Yale's campus IS HALF THE CITY, and the hoods around the Old Campus are really, really bad. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a case of a snooty undergrad wandering off to score some blow and getting in over their head.

Comment by livingonli on 11/25/2013 18:00:26
Good day, folks. Was working last night so didn't get to watch anything so I was just glad I was home to watch the Doctor Who 50th anniversary episode live on BBC America which set a world record as the largest simulcast for a non-live TV event.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 18:58:11
Quote by Scoopster:

I fucking love that guy.. He's one of my favorite guitarists of the newer guard.



He has two things I love about guitar players going on (at least with RAtM) Loud and noisy. Those are two different things.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 19:08:02
Comment by TriSec on 11/25/2013 19:37:27
Afternoon, folks.

Mrs. TriSec and I have had a longstanding agreement....if she can match my current salary at any time, I will stay home and manage the household.

I'm off this week....so I've been working to get the house in shape for Thanksgiving. All the shopping is done, and it feels like I've gotten more done in a day than what usually happens around here in a week, or indeed a month.

Y'all will excuse me while I go bake some brownies - Javi will be home from school in an hour.

<< beats chest, gorilla-style >>

<< Apron >>

<< Pearls >>



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 19:53:05
Comment by wickedpam on 11/25/2013 20:16:52


you forget the movie to be made for this thing is in the DVD sales


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 20:34:36
Quote by wickedpam:


you forget the movie to be made for this thing is in the DVD sales



Mala, you are misunderestimating my need to be snarky.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/25/2013 20:36:47
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:


you forget the movie to be made for this thing is in the DVD sales



Mala, you are misunderestimating my need to be snarky.



of course I did


Comment by Scoopster on 11/25/2013 20:39:48
Oh hmm.. that gunman at Yale turned out to be a legit thing.. the call was an anonymous tip from the guy's roommate. They have most of downtown New Haven on lockdown (including shops with stranded employees AND patrons) and the FBI/ATF/DHS/SWAT/Staties have all been called in to find the guy. The campus is empty anyways since all the students have gone home for the holiday week.

My boneheaded lady friend thought she'd try to get down there to see what was goin' on. I convinced her otherwise.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 21:15:15
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh hmm.. that gunman at Yale turned out to be a legit thing.. the call was an anonymous tip from the guy's roommate. They have most of downtown New Haven on lockdown (including shops with stranded employees AND patrons) and the FBI/ATF/DHS/SWAT/Staties have all been called in to find the guy. The campus is empty anyways since all the students have gone home for the holiday week.

My boneheaded lady friend thought she'd try to get down there to see what was goin' on. I convinced her otherwise.



Glad you did.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 21:55:08
FUCK YOU ADOBE, FUCK YOU. FUCK YOUR CHILDREN, FUCK YOUR MOTHER, FUCK YOUR FATHER. I HATE YOUR MAJOR PRODUCT.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 21:55:23
FUCK YOU ADOBE, FUCK YOU. FUCK YOUR CHILDREN, FUCK YOUR MOTHER, FUCK YOUR FATHER. I HATE YOUR MAJOR PRODUCT.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2013 21:56:04
Wow, sorry my angsty rage got posted twice.

Comment by TriSec on 11/26/2013 02:23:59
Adobe: Yob tvoiu mat'

( http://www.insults.net/html/swear/russian.html )

I'm going to be a while. :-)