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Ending the Violence
Author: BobR
Date: 2014-06-25 10:36:54
The rapidly escalating situation in Iraq has certainly made some strange bedfellows recently. Megan Kelly on FOX "News" criticized Dick Cheney - to his face. Glen Beck said the Left was correct when we raged against starting a war with Iraq. Cheney has popped up wherever he can to criticize president Obama. The president is not polling very well on how he is handling the situation, even though what he is doing (and not doing) aligns with the desires of the majority of the public. What would they have him do differently - wave a magic wand and undo centuries of tribal, religious, and ethnic hatred and rivalries?
Because that is the crux of the problem. Iraq is an artificial country comprised of three distinct regions. If not for the iron fist of Saddam Hussein, it would have collapsed into anarchy years ago. By breaking the power structure and leaving nothing in its place except for a bad copy of American democracy in a region that doesn't understand it, we guaranteed this outcome.
This is all blowback from our hubris. We thought (and by "we", I mean the Bush Administration, the neocons, the chickenhawks, and all the rest) that we could force our government style down their throats, and they'd happily swallow it. The certainty and naivete of this cabal of war mongers has created a destabilization of a region that has never been very stable to begin with.
John McCain is prime example of this. McCain supported "Prince Bandar" and the Saudis as they propped up a group of militants in Syria, as that country continues to struggle with civil war. Out of that came ISIS, which is the group in Iraq:
The bombing of the World Trade Center can be traced directly back to our supporting the Taliban because they were the enemy of our enemy (the USSR). Once the USSR was no longer our enemy, the Taliban was no longer our friend.
The Middle East is not ours to mold or control. We cannot "fix" anything there with military action. There is too much oil money floating around, and they are much more committed to driving us out than we are committed to staying put. It is the height of foolishness to try to pick and support "winners", and take sides, because yesterday's friend is tomorrow's enemy. If we provide money or weapons or training, it will inevitably be used against us. Violence will only beget more violence.
Rather than military, our focus should be on facilitating peace talks and arbitration. Again - we cannot force peace on them, but we can be a neutral 3rd party that helps bring the different factions to the table and have a discussion, and let them work out the details of what will encourage them to stop destroying themselves.
Jimmy Carter brokered a peace deal between Israel and Egypt. If that is possible, then it seems possible to get different Islamic sects to come to a consensus and stop the violence.
Because that is the crux of the problem. Iraq is an artificial country comprised of three distinct regions. If not for the iron fist of Saddam Hussein, it would have collapsed into anarchy years ago. By breaking the power structure and leaving nothing in its place except for a bad copy of American democracy in a region that doesn't understand it, we guaranteed this outcome.
This is all blowback from our hubris. We thought (and by "we", I mean the Bush Administration, the neocons, the chickenhawks, and all the rest) that we could force our government style down their throats, and they'd happily swallow it. The certainty and naivete of this cabal of war mongers has created a destabilization of a region that has never been very stable to begin with.
John McCain is prime example of this. McCain supported "Prince Bandar" and the Saudis as they propped up a group of militants in Syria, as that country continues to struggle with civil war. Out of that came ISIS, which is the group in Iraq:
Senior White House officials have refused to discuss the question of any particular Saudi officials aiding ISIS and have not commented on Bandar’s departure. But they have emphasized that Saudi Arabia is now both supporting moderate Syrian rebels and helping coordinate regional policies to deal with an ascendant ISIS threat.
Like elements of the mujahideen, which benefited from U.S. financial and military support during the Soviet war in Afghanistan and then later turned on the West in the form of al-Qaeda, ISIS achieved scale and consequence through Saudi support, only to now pose a grave threat to the kingdom and the region.
The bombing of the World Trade Center can be traced directly back to our supporting the Taliban because they were the enemy of our enemy (the USSR). Once the USSR was no longer our enemy, the Taliban was no longer our friend.
The Middle East is not ours to mold or control. We cannot "fix" anything there with military action. There is too much oil money floating around, and they are much more committed to driving us out than we are committed to staying put. It is the height of foolishness to try to pick and support "winners", and take sides, because yesterday's friend is tomorrow's enemy. If we provide money or weapons or training, it will inevitably be used against us. Violence will only beget more violence.
Rather than military, our focus should be on facilitating peace talks and arbitration. Again - we cannot force peace on them, but we can be a neutral 3rd party that helps bring the different factions to the table and have a discussion, and let them work out the details of what will encourage them to stop destroying themselves.
Jimmy Carter brokered a peace deal between Israel and Egypt. If that is possible, then it seems possible to get different Islamic sects to come to a consensus and stop the violence.
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Comment by 
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 12:42:23
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 12:42:23
Mornin' all.. 
Either I found a bug in the blog's Search function or it's barfing when you try to seek up "Greenwald"
Either I found a bug in the blog's Search function or it's barfing when you try to seek up "Greenwald"
Warning: Missing argument 4 for BlogPosts::SearchBlog(), called in /home/bobr69/FourFreedomsBlog.com/BlogFunctions.php on line 698 and defined in /home/bobr69/FourFreedomsBlog.com/BlogClass.php on line 1181
Error executing query:
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2014 12:47:45
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 12:47:45
Speaking of Greenwald.. someone who's pretty smart about legal matters (I assume he's a constitutional lawyer?) posted this on El Satan Naranja.
Comment by 
Raine on 06/25/2014 13:10:54
good morning.
Raine on 06/25/2014 13:10:54
good morning.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 06/25/2014 13:22:45
wickedpam on 06/25/2014 13:22:45
Morning 
Comment by 
BobR on 06/25/2014 13:31:40
I think there's a bug. I'll look at it when I get a chance
BobR on 06/25/2014 13:31:40
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
Either I found a bug in the blog's Search function or it's barfing when you try to seek up "Greenwald"Warning: Missing argument 4 for BlogPosts::SearchBlog(), called in /home/bobr69/FourFreedomsBlog.com/BlogFunctions.php on line 698 and defined in /home/bobr69/FourFreedomsBlog.com/BlogClass.php on line 1181
Error executing query:
I think there's a bug. I'll look at it when I get a chance
Comment by wickedpam on 06/25/2014 13:43:44
wickedpam on 06/25/2014 13:43:44
I either wanted to be Kelly (Jaclyn Smith) or Wonder Woman
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 13:56:14
Me too!
Raine on 06/25/2014 13:56:14
Quote by wickedpam:
I either wanted to be Kelly (Jaclyn Smith) or Wonder Woman
Me too!
Comment by wickedpam on 06/25/2014 13:58:10
And just another reason why we are so sisters
wickedpam on 06/25/2014 13:58:10
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I either wanted to be Kelly (Jaclyn Smith) or Wonder Woman
Me too!
And just another reason why we are so sisters
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2014 14:00:21
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 14:00:21
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 14:11:50
Raine on 06/25/2014 14:11:50
Thanka for the linkage.
I am seriously worried about the Hobby Lobby case.
I am seriously worried about the Hobby Lobby case.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 14:18:59
Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 14:18:59
Good morning, bloggers!!!
I hope that all is well with everyone here. BobR, your blog shows that we cannot force peace, democracy or unity. It has to come about from the different sides sitting down and working out their differences.
As for myself, I have to see if I can turn in my materials for the RV gig by mail. I have figured how to get out there as my friend Jeff does NOT want to go there.
I hope that all is well with everyone here. BobR, your blog shows that we cannot force peace, democracy or unity. It has to come about from the different sides sitting down and working out their differences.
As for myself, I have to see if I can turn in my materials for the RV gig by mail. I have figured how to get out there as my friend Jeff does NOT want to go there.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2014 14:36:17
Indeed.. wasn't in today's batch so either tomorrow or Monday.
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 14:36:17
Quote by Raine:
Thanka for the linkage.
I am seriously worried about the Hobby Lobby case.
Indeed.. wasn't in today's batch so either tomorrow or Monday.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 14:53:51
I suspect it will be tomorrow.
Roberts needs time to get to Fire Island…
Raine on 06/25/2014 14:53:51
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Thanka for the linkage.
I am seriously worried about the Hobby Lobby case.
Indeed.. wasn't in today's batch so either tomorrow or Monday.
Roberts needs time to get to Fire Island…
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2014 15:10:24
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 15:10:24
What in the fuck?! The Teadiots' latest move is to kill the Import-Export Bank.
This would single-handedly DESTROY the ability of American companies to do business overseas.. with the exception of GLOBAL MEGACORPORATIONS.
This would single-handedly DESTROY the ability of American companies to do business overseas.. with the exception of GLOBAL MEGACORPORATIONS.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 15:14:30
The more marginalized they become, the more desperate and dangerous they are it seems.
Raine on 06/25/2014 15:14:30
Quote by Scoopster:
What in the fuck?! The Teadiots' latest move is to kill the Import-Export Bank.
This would single-handedly DESTROY the ability of American companies to do business overseas.. with the exception of GLOBAL MEGACORPORATIONS.
The more marginalized they become, the more desperate and dangerous they are it seems.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/25/2014 15:19:55
I kind of thought that one would be a no brainer - cellies hold more and more of our personal info these days and I would think would be construed as a right to be secure in our "papers"
wickedpam on 06/25/2014 15:19:55
Quote by Raine:
Unanimous ruling!
I kind of thought that one would be a no brainer - cellies hold more and more of our personal info these days and I would think would be construed as a right to be secure in our "papers"
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 15:22:03
That is most excellent!
Yeah, I know it should be BIll and Ted style air guitar but we don't have that as an emoticon.
But, then thanks to the interwebz, we have this:
Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 15:22:03
Quote by Raine:
That is most excellent!
Yeah, I know it should be BIll and Ted style air guitar but we don't have that as an emoticon.
But, then thanks to the interwebz, we have this:
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2014 15:36:45
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 15:36:45
Quote by Raine:
Quote by @slicknet:
SCOTUS on cell phones: "[a] visitor from Mars might conclude they were an important feature of human anatomy."
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 15:51:10
Cheeky SCOTUS, cheeky!
Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 15:51:10
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Quote by @slicknet:
SCOTUS on cell phones: "[a] visitor from Mars might conclude they were an important feature of human anatomy."
Cheeky SCOTUS, cheeky!
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 15:53:21
Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 15:53:21
Who watched Amuricin Esperiace last night on the PBS mosheen? Twas about the Freedom Summer of 1964. It was fantastic.
Fannie Lou Hamer was an American bad ass.
Fannie Lou Hamer was an American bad ass.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 16:03:24
Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 16:03:24
RAINE! HOLD ME! I had to work on a site that used comic san! COMIC SANS! MIXED WITH MONOTYPE CORSIVA! The utter horror!
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 16:04:29
That is an international humanitarian crisis!
Raine on 06/25/2014 16:04:29
Quote by Mondobubba:
RAINE! HOLD ME! I had to work on a site that used comic san! COMIC SANS! MIXED WITH MONOTYPE CORSIVA! The utter horror!
That is an international humanitarian crisis!
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 06/25/2014 16:07:58
trojanrabbit on 06/25/2014 16:07:58
Birfer nut Joseph Farah caught at Dulles Airport with a loaded .38
Now I'm sure it was all just a mis-understanding. Or maybe even some liberal planted the gun in his carry-on.
Now I'm sure it was all just a mis-understanding. Or maybe even some liberal planted the gun in his carry-on.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 16:19:59
Yes, my adopted state of Indiana (why could not my brother have stayed on the Illinois side of the border) is dragged into the 21st Century.
Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 16:19:59
Quote by Scoopster:
UNH UNH UNH.. Another one bites the dust!
Yes, my adopted state of Indiana (why could not my brother have stayed on the Illinois side of the border) is dragged into the 21st Century.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 16:20:33
:wimpers: Comic san...comic sans.
Thanks, I needed that.
Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 16:20:33
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
RAINE! HOLD ME! I had to work on a site that used comic san! COMIC SANS! MIXED WITH MONOTYPE CORSIVA! The utter horror!
:wimpers: Comic san...comic sans.
Thanks, I needed that.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2014 16:27:23
And now Utah too?! Oh gawd this is gonna make the Mormons' heads spin..
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 16:27:23
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Scoopster:
UNH UNH UNH.. Another one bites the dust!
Yes, my adopted state of Indiana (why could not my brother have stayed on the Illinois side of the border) is dragged into the 21st Century.
And now Utah too?! Oh gawd this is gonna make the Mormons' heads spin..
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 16:58:05
I need a fainting couch to clutch my pearls!
Raine on 06/25/2014 16:58:05
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Scoopster:
UNH UNH UNH.. Another one bites the dust!
Yes, my adopted state of Indiana (why could not my brother have stayed on the Illinois side of the border) is dragged into the 21st Century.
And now Utah too?! Oh gawd this is gonna make the Mormons' heads spin..
Comment by wickedpam on 06/25/2014 17:38:12
wickedpam on 06/25/2014 17:38:12
So GISHWHES registration is open. I've decided that I'm going to be a team supporter, but next year I want to so do this for the experience.
Comment by 
clintster on 06/25/2014 17:49:54
clintster on 06/25/2014 17:49:54
I know everyone has heard about the Mississippi Goddam primary runoff and its results. I have three things to say to those who whine about how "it's not fair" that MS runs an open primary:
1) Open primaries were instituted by the GOP in the South in the 1960s in order to lure Dixiecrats who had become disillusioned by the Democratic party supporting civil rights and other liberal poilicies.
2) Operation Chaos. Doesn't seem so funny now, does it?
3) If Mississippi was so concerned about Demmykrats ruining the Tea Party's chances of winning the Senate, maybe they should have reinstituted closed primaries before the primaries came up.
Meantime, McDaniel is apparently refusing to concede, and there may be a write-in campaign afoot for the general. If it happens, we may see a D in the Senate for MS.
1) Open primaries were instituted by the GOP in the South in the 1960s in order to lure Dixiecrats who had become disillusioned by the Democratic party supporting civil rights and other liberal poilicies.
2) Operation Chaos. Doesn't seem so funny now, does it?
3) If Mississippi was so concerned about Demmykrats ruining the Tea Party's chances of winning the Senate, maybe they should have reinstituted closed primaries before the primaries came up.
Meantime, McDaniel is apparently refusing to concede, and there may be a write-in campaign afoot for the general. If it happens, we may see a D in the Senate for MS.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 17:57:55
AMEN CLINT!!!
Raine on 06/25/2014 17:57:55
Quote by clintster:
I know everyone has heard about the Mississippi Goddam primary runoff and its results. I have three things to say to those who whine about how "it's not fair" that MS runs an open primary:
1) Open primaries were instituted by the GOP in the South in the 1960s in order to lure Dixiecrats who had become disillusioned by the Democratic party supporting civil rights and other liberal poilicies.
2) Operation Chaos. Doesn't seem so funny now, does it?
3) If Mississippi was so concerned about Demmykrats ruining the Tea Party's chances of winning the Senate, maybe they should have reinstituted closed primaries before the primaries came up.
Meantime, McDaniel is apparently refusing to concede, and there may be a write-in campaign afoot for the general. If it happens, we may see a D in the Senate for MS.
AMEN CLINT!!!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 17:58:38
That would indeed be ironic.
Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 17:58:38
Quote by clintster:
I know everyone has heard about the Mississippi Goddam primary runoff and its results. I have three things to say to those who whine about how "it's not fair" that MS runs an open primary:
1) Open primaries were instituted by the GOP in the South in the 1960s in order to lure Dixiecrats who had become disillusioned by the Democratic party supporting civil rights and other liberal poilicies.
2) Operation Chaos. Doesn't seem so funny now, does it?
3) If Mississippi was so concerned about Demmykrats ruining the Tea Party's chances of winning the Senate, maybe they should have reinstituted closed primaries before the primaries came up.
Meantime, McDaniel is apparently refusing to concede, and there may be a write-in campaign afoot for the general. If it happens, we may see a D in the Senate for MS.
That would indeed be ironic.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 06/25/2014 18:02:36
Yet there's nothing preventing the Tealiban from forming their OWN party. What? I though you Teabaggers always said you represented BOTH parties. What's the matter, you little babies too scared to go out on your own? Fuck you then.
trojanrabbit on 06/25/2014 18:02:36
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by clintster:
I know everyone has heard about the Mississippi Goddam primary runoff and its results. I have three things to say to those who whine about how "it's not fair" that MS runs an open primary:
1) Open primaries were instituted by the GOP in the South in the 1960s in order to lure Dixiecrats who had become disillusioned by the Democratic party supporting civil rights and other liberal poilicies.
2) Operation Chaos. Doesn't seem so funny now, does it?
3) If Mississippi was so concerned about Demmykrats ruining the Tea Party's chances of winning the Senate, maybe they should have reinstituted closed primaries before the primaries came up.
Meantime, McDaniel is apparently refusing to concede, and there may be a write-in campaign afoot for the general. If it happens, we may see a D in the Senate for MS.
That would indeed be ironic.
Yet there's nothing preventing the Tealiban from forming their OWN party. What? I though you Teabaggers always said you represented BOTH parties. What's the matter, you little babies too scared to go out on your own? Fuck you then.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 18:07:15
Raine on 06/25/2014 18:07:15
I am utterly disgusted today with congress. UTTERLY disgusted.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 18:15:37
Our Congress is making the 1949 Do Nothing Congress look efficient.
Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 18:15:37
Quote by Raine:
I am utterly disgusted today with congress. UTTERLY disgusted.
Our Congress is making the 1949 Do Nothing Congress look efficient.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/25/2014 18:20:35
wickedpam on 06/25/2014 18:20:35
Thom paints such a rosie picture - I'm gonna go sit in a corner and cry for a while
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 18:56:11
Ahem, 1948. Truman ran against them.
Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 18:56:11
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
I am utterly disgusted today with congress. UTTERLY disgusted.
Our Congress is making the 1949 Do Nothing Congress look efficient.
Ahem, 1948. Truman ran against them.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 18:58:49
Least amount of bills passed since the WASHINGTON ADMINISTRATION.
Raine on 06/25/2014 18:58:49
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
I am utterly disgusted today with congress. UTTERLY disgusted.
Our Congress is making the 1949 Do Nothing Congress look efficient.
Ahem, 1948. Truman ran against them.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 19:10:48
Okay, this Congress has set a record. Now, with the Speaker of the House suing the President, I wonder if it is time that we put generators next to the graves of our Founding Fathers, as we might as well take benefit of them spinning in their graves.
Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 19:10:48
Quote by Raine:Least amount of bills passed since the WASHINGTON ADMINISTRATION.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
I am utterly disgusted today with congress. UTTERLY disgusted.
Our Congress is making the 1949 Do Nothing Congress look efficient.
Ahem, 1948. Truman ran against them.
Okay, this Congress has set a record. Now, with the Speaker of the House suing the President, I wonder if it is time that we put generators next to the graves of our Founding Fathers, as we might as well take benefit of them spinning in their graves.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2014 19:30:50
The entire idea is both stupid and hilarious, at least to me.
First off Boehner, YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY YOU KNOW HAVE LAWS TO EXECUTE FIRST. The crap you and the rest of your idiots have passed through the House amounts to NOTHING without Senate passage and the President' signature. Stop acting like you're the end-all-be-all of our government.
Second, your power to bring legal action against the President is called THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. You therefore have NO STANDING WHATSOEVER to bring a civil lawsuit, especially where it concerns well-defined presidential powers such as executive orders and how his administration chooses to enforce law. Put up, yourself, or shut up.
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 19:30:50
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:Least amount of bills passed since the WASHINGTON ADMINISTRATION.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
I am utterly disgusted today with congress. UTTERLY disgusted.
Our Congress is making the 1949 Do Nothing Congress look efficient.
Ahem, 1948. Truman ran against them.
Okay, this Congress has set a record. Now, with the Speaker of the House suing the President, I wonder if it is time that we put generators next to the graves of our Founding Fathers, as we might as well take benefit of them spinning in their graves.
The entire idea is both stupid and hilarious, at least to me.
First off Boehner, YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY YOU KNOW HAVE LAWS TO EXECUTE FIRST. The crap you and the rest of your idiots have passed through the House amounts to NOTHING without Senate passage and the President' signature. Stop acting like you're the end-all-be-all of our government.
Second, your power to bring legal action against the President is called THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. You therefore have NO STANDING WHATSOEVER to bring a civil lawsuit, especially where it concerns well-defined presidential powers such as executive orders and how his administration chooses to enforce law. Put up, yourself, or shut up.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2014 19:38:18
SXee, this rant is why I love you all!
Oh, and did I mention this lawsuit is on the taxpayers dime? That phucker.
Raine on 06/25/2014 19:38:18
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:Least amount of bills passed since the WASHINGTON ADMINISTRATION.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
I am utterly disgusted today with congress. UTTERLY disgusted.
Our Congress is making the 1949 Do Nothing Congress look efficient.
Ahem, 1948. Truman ran against them.
Okay, this Congress has set a record. Now, with the Speaker of the House suing the President, I wonder if it is time that we put generators next to the graves of our Founding Fathers, as we might as well take benefit of them spinning in their graves.
The entire idea is both stupid and hilarious, at least to me.
First off Boehner, YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY YOU KNOW HAVE LAWS TO EXECUTE FIRST. The crap you and the rest of your idiots have passed through the House amounts to NOTHING without Senate passage and the President' signature. Stop acting like you're the end-all-be-all of our government.
Second, your power to bring legal action against the President is called THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. You therefore have NO STANDING WHATSOEVER to bring a civil lawsuit, especially where it concerns well-defined presidential powers such as executive orders and how his administration chooses to enforce law. Put up, yourself, or shut up.
Oh, and did I mention this lawsuit is on the taxpayers dime? That phucker.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 19:46:50
Will in Chicago on 06/25/2014 19:46:50
Well, I hope that a judge tears John Boehner a few new orifices. If they want to try to discredit the president, it may backfire on them.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 19:50:23
So, lemme get this straight, Speaker Man-Tan. You spend the past six year obstructing the President's agenda and when he gets sick of your shit, and starts using his constitutional powers to issue executive orders, you are going to sue. Sue him for doing his job? You do realize every president has this power? You are fine with every other president besides Obama doing this, yes? You are an enormous asshole, Speaker Man-Tan.
Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 19:50:23
Quote by Raine:
And so it begins….
So, lemme get this straight, Speaker Man-Tan. You spend the past six year obstructing the President's agenda and when he gets sick of your shit, and starts using his constitutional powers to issue executive orders, you are going to sue. Sue him for doing his job? You do realize every president has this power? You are fine with every other president besides Obama doing this, yes? You are an enormous asshole, Speaker Man-Tan.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 19:51:38
Mondobubba on 06/25/2014 19:51:38
Comment by 
TriSec on 06/25/2014 20:08:35
TriSec on 06/25/2014 20:08:35
That's it. I secede. Burn my town; I don't care.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2014 20:10:46
Scoopster on 06/25/2014 20:10:46
...and to think I get to legitimately not vote for him this time.