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Author: TriSec    Date: 05/27/2008 10:31:12

Good Morning.

Today is our 1,896th day in Iraq.

We'll start as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4083
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3944
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3622
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3224
Since Election (1/31/05): 2646

Other Coalition Troops: 312
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 507

I usually edit out the links to the casualty lists, but seeing that yesterday was Memorial Day,
you should go and take a look.
There have been 4,392 coalition deaths -- 4,080 Americans, two Australians, 176 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, one Czech, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, four Georgians, one Hungarian, 33 Italians, one Kazakh, one Korean, three Latvian, 22 Poles, three Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians -- in the war in Iraq as of May 26, 2008, according to a CNN count. (Graphical breakdown of casualties). The list below is the names of the soldiers, Marines, airmen, sailors and Coast Guardsmen whose deaths have been reported by their country's governments. The list also includes seven employees of the U.S. Defense Department. At least 30,112 U.S. troops have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon.


We also find today's cost of war increasing at about $10,000 every 3 seconds.
As I write this, it's passing through $ 523, 132, 950, 000.00



And now, we'll turn this over to guest blogger George Masters, who published this column in yesterday's Boston Globe. (No need to write a thank-you letter; the Globe knows we appreciate the donation.)

Missing in America

I'm driving. Jack, my copilot, sleeps in the passenger seat. His chin rests on my upper leg. The car in front of us wears two "Support Our Troops" ribbons on its backside. One is yellow, the other red, white, and blue. Both were made in China. On the right-rear bumper is a black and faded MIA sticker. The driver of the car probably means well, but by now I've seen too many ribbons. While the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq kill and maim, I can't help but think how they are also shaping the future of returning veterans. Many of these men and women will come home and go missing and you won't even know it. Returning from a war is more than getting off an airplane and putting on civvies. Combat changes a person. It changed me.

I'm driving angry. I want to tell the guy in front of me: You want to support the troops? Get them the hell out of the line of fire. Or, if you think this war is such a necessary enterprise, haul your butt on over there. If you're too old, pull your kids and grandchildren out of college and send them.

I'm driving sad. You want to support our troops? Give the man some space when he gets home. Give the woman a job. Don't tell either of them how you would have been there if you could have, and then spin off a bunch of excuses. He may keep to himself. She might be missing an arm. He could be in a wheelchair knowing he'll never chase his kids down a beach again. Both may drink a bit. She may smoke pot, dress wild, and date too many guys. She might like to play her music too loud and dance alone in her room. He could go to the movies for hours and come home and cry and cry. Don't lecture them. Don't tell him to forget about the war - he can't. Don't try to tell her how she's escaping reality. She's had all the reality she can stomach. He may carry what you call an attitude. She might have an extremely low BS tolerance, a quirky sense of humor you don't really understand.

Listen up: If you've never hunted humans, if you've never been hunted, if you haven't been shot at on a regular basis, try to appreciate what this person has been through. Then get down on your knees and pray, and thank your lucky stars it wasn't you.

I'm driving lost. It's Vietnam, 1968, Quang Nam Province. I work up a spit of bleeding gums, saliva, and bug juice. I wonder about the skeletons we passed an hour ago. Sprawled outside four fighting holes, two of the skeletons lay mostly intact, arms reaching, legs cocked as if trying to crawl back to their open graves. The third had no skull. Turning my head, I scan the hot, windless valley. Single file, I follow Valdez, the radio man, 10 meters to my front. Where Valdez steps, I step. Heat worms up through the soles of my boots. Toes bleeding, heels aching, my swollen feet fester in the canvas and leather. An M16 bandoleer is slung over my shoulder, and the magazines inside clink lightly. Two grenades, like giant steel eggs, hang off my flak-jacket pockets. C-ration cans clank against the sticks of C-4 explosive in my kangaroo pockets. I hate being in the open like this. Breathing shallow to keep the burn out of my lungs.

Too scared to let my mind wander, I do anyway. I remember a girl back in The World - her face, the way she looked at me when we ate ice cream. I talk to myself. Mumble silently is more like it. Watch where you put your feet; look for movement, a wire, a vine, a slight depression. Don't stare, you'll get hypnotized. Scan. Doing it without thinking, repeating the movements like an endless rosary, my Marine squad stretches a hundred meters single file along the floor of Happy Valley.

I'm driving home. The car in front with the ribbons turns off. I go straight. Rolling down the windows, I crank up Rod Stewart on the radio and scratch Jack between his soft and beautiful ears. He likes his window all the way open. He moves there to put his face in the breeze. You want to do something for our troops? Bring them home.


George Masters, a writer in Brookline, served in the Marine Corps in Vietnam and is currently at work on a novel. Send comments to [email protected]

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Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 12:44:58
excellent post Tri. I was thinking Sun night as we watched the laser show how people seem to forget the realities of war, and cheer and whoop and hollar at images of soldiers and flags like it's a sports competition instead of blood and death.



oh, and morning folks... :coffee:

Comment by Scoopster on 05/27/2008 13:21:04
Morning Tri & Bob.. great opening today!



Awfully quiet here.. very odd

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 13:31:22
Meh.

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 13:31:31
*taking refuge here instead of SMS liveblog*

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 13:31:56
Perhaps everyone is sleeping off yesterdays' festivities...

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 13:48:39
Good morning everyone.



I was just working late and going to bed late.



Some mornings I feel like I need a cattle prod to get out of bed.

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 13:52:00
The SMS blog is busy but it's the usual sniping because of the pro-Hillary trolls.

Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 13:53:30
Mornin' Everybody :yawn:

Moving kinda slow this morning Back to the grind - it's a long day for me today too - I'm here until 8pm tonight - ugh.

Cheers,

mfaye :hug:

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 13:56:28
Morning all :hug:





Hope everyone had a nice weekend. Got my shed all put together (granted it's a Rubbermaid shed but still it too some conjoling) eveythings back where it's supposed to be. Next house project - attic fan.

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:02:34
I have a friend that thinks this long drawn out primary season is good for the party because it's drawing record numbers of people to the polls to vote. Personally, I think we are past the point of positive and - with all the negativity surrounding the race (regardless of where it comes from) - we're now well into an area of diminishing returns.



This needs to end so we can ALL join together and focus our energies on dismantling the Republican machine.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 14:04:58
Quote by BobR:

I have a friend that thinks this long drawn out primary season is good for the party because it's drawing record numbers of people to the polls to vote. Personally, I think we are past the point of positive and - with all the negativity surrounding the race (regardless of where it comes from) - we're now well into an area of diminishing returns.



This needs to end so we can ALL join together and focus our energies on dismantling the Republican machine.






Sounds strange but I'm going to equate it to a Spree candy - it started out really sweet - all great candidates for us to choose from. Now it's gone all sour and not in a good way.



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:06:21
Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 14:08:55
Good morning mfaye and mala.



I was kept busy this weekend with work. I hope the next pay check makes up for it.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 14:09:36
Very cute :D

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:10:05
Dueling soundbites....



Sorry Shane-O, I think DJ won that one...

Comment by Shane-O on 05/27/2008 14:11:02
Quote by BobR:

Dueling soundbites....



Sorry Shane-O, I think DJ won that one...
DJ's first hour?



Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 14:12:34
I missed the one in the first hour since I was still asleep. Momma will probably play both in hour 3.



Hi, Shane-O.

Comment by Shane-O on 05/27/2008 14:14:23
DJ's first hour on Clinton's comment was really good. I decided to stay away from the subject - he handled it well. The "Shaft" one was not DJ, however. I think that one kicked both our butts!!

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:21:13
Quote by Shane-O:

DJ's first hour on Clinton's comment was really good. I decided to stay away from the subject - he handled it well. The "Shaft" one was not DJ, however. I think that one kicked both our butts!!


ahh... my assumption there. I retract the statement and offer my apologies...



Yes, the Shaft one was what I was referring to and yes it kicked-ass...

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 14:21:24
To me, it would depend on what she looks like.

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:22:29
This coffee must be broken - I am still barely keeping awake

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:23:19
Quote by livingonli:

To me, it would depend on what she looks like.


:huh: Did I miss something?

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 14:26:15
Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

To me, it would depend on what she looks like.


:huh: Did I miss something?






I was just wondering the same thing :scratchhead:

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 14:28:37
FOX NEWS-KILLING OBAMA JOKE







Comment by Shane-O on 05/27/2008 14:30:29
I think it was E.J. Dione (I could be wrong) who said it best this weekend: any apology that contains the word "if" is not an apology at all.

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 14:31:53
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

To me, it would depend on what she looks like.


:huh: Did I miss something?






I was just wondering the same thing :scratchhead:


I was responding to the story about the hospital worker.

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 14:32:40
Why can't Fox News be taken off the air?

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 14:33:21
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

To me, it would depend on what she looks like.


:huh: Did I miss something?






I was just wondering the same thing :scratchhead:


I was responding to the story about the hospital worker.






ohhh - I think it was a guy.



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:37:05
Quote by livingonli:

Why can't Fox News be taken off the air?


There's that pesky 1st Ammendment...

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 14:37:44
Good morning everyone!

Just got back from the Airport. Ms MArgaret is on her way back to NY.



What a wonderful week.

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 14:38:26
Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

Why can't Fox News be taken off the air?


There's that pesky 1st Ammendment...


True. I guess my only hope is people tune out and it starts bleeding money again. Not that Murdoch isn't afraid to sink money into his right-wing propaganda outlets.

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 14:39:06
Hi Raine. Sounds like you were a busy beaver while your friend was in town.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 14:39:52
Quote by Raine:

Good morning everyone!

Just got back from the Airport. Ms MArgaret is on her way back to NY.



What a wonderful week.








Ya know what I found out this weekend? Amtrak picks up in Manassas and goes all the way to New Orleans - Via Atlanta. Only 95.00 each way.



To quote Star - Just sayin'.



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:41:14
I'm glad Momma's weekend cookout was civil... ours - not so much.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 14:42:04
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

Good morning everyone!

Just got back from the Airport. Ms MArgaret is on her way back to NY.



What a wonderful week.








Ya know what I found out this weekend? Amtrak picks up in Manassas and goes all the way to New Orleans - Via Atlanta. Only 95.00 each way.



To quote Star - Just sayin'.

Whenever you want! I would love for you to visit!



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 14:44:20
Quote by BobR:

I'm glad Momma's weekend cookout was civil... ours - not so much.
:(



It got heated. I got heated.





Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 14:44:23
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

Good morning everyone!

Just got back from the Airport. Ms MArgaret is on her way back to NY.



What a wonderful week.








Ya know what I found out this weekend? Amtrak picks up in Manassas and goes all the way to New Orleans - Via Atlanta. Only 95.00 each way.



To quote Star - Just sayin'.

Whenever you want! I would love for you to visit!





Mom needs employment first - but I was thinking about ya'll's kind invitation :D





Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 14:45:00
hoooboy. Mrs. TriSec (aka, the "live-in Luddite") has a new cell phone!



I'd imagine the entire network crashing and satellites falling to the earth in a matter of minutes. Better take cover.





Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 14:45:54
Quote by BobR:

I'm glad Momma's weekend cookout was civil... ours - not so much.






I wished for some of that beer ya'll made while I was working hard on shed construction.



Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 14:46:38
Tri - Got your PM - let me do a little digging and see what I come up with for ya!

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 14:46:39
Quote by Raine:

Quote by BobR:

I'm glad Momma's weekend cookout was civil... ours - not so much.
:(



It got heated. I got heated.





Damn this primary campaign.

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 14:47:31
I'm wondering. Did we manage to finish off the beer that was brought to DC?

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 14:51:00
Katie Couric will make an announcement on the TODAY show?



I am glad if she goes back to today. She was good there.

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:51:40
Quote by wickedpam:







I wished for some of that beer ya'll made while I was working hard on shed construction.



Contact your local distributer! :lol:

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 14:53:12
Quote by livingonli:

I'm wondering. Did we manage to finish off the beer that was brought to DC?


Nope. So many people were drinking vodka that the beer got overlooked. I know ShelaghC took some home, but I ended up taking one of the two cases back home with me.

Comment by velveeta jones on 05/27/2008 14:55:16
Morning all. I was out running errands. Back now and watching "blood diamonds"



Yikes.



Diamonds SUCK! (sorry for any diamond wearers, but really........ why should we buy any diamonds if as long as there are conflict ones). My opinion only.

Comment by Scoopster on 05/27/2008 14:55:27
Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 14:57:34
Quote by wickedpam:



Ya know what I found out this weekend? Amtrak picks up in Manassas and goes all the way to New Orleans - Via Atlanta. Only 95.00 each way.



To quote Star - Just sayin'.





Well gee, I wonder why it costs $345 for the 3 of us to take the Acela Regional from South Station to Union Station, then? It's about twice that on the Acela Express....



I think you could almost fly to DC for less....and even with $4 gas, I can certainly drive the 450 miles for less than that.



What's wrong with this picture?



Helloooo? Mr. Nominee, are you listening? There's a former governor of Massachusetts that would love to fix Amtrak, if you ask him and give him some money...







Comment by Scoopster on 05/27/2008 14:59:32
Amtrak prices seem to have come down quite a bit lately..



I remember a few years back it cost me over 200 bucks to go one way from New Haven to Providence.. now it costs about the same as a Greyhound ticket.

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 15:00:03
I just know that my car can't do long trips anymore. Until I get a new car, I would either have to rent a car or find alternate means to get to my destination. (train or plane).

Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 15:03:23
Quote by Raine:

Quote by BobR:

I'm glad Momma's weekend cookout was civil... ours - not so much.
:(



It got heated. I got heated.







Mornin' Raine (& other 4Fers),

Do tell - it has gotta be better than me and my boyz sitting home by our lonesome yesterday... Not complaining - it could've been worse, it could have been raining :D

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 15:04:45
Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

I'm wondering. Did we manage to finish off the beer that was brought to DC?


Nope. So many people were drinking vodka that the beer got overlooked. I know ShelaghC took some home, but I ended up taking one of the two cases back home with me.




I knew I should have snagged some to take home!



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:06:08
Interesting Diary from JedReport



I must admit I did not know that LIEberman was on the board of Vet's for Freedom.







Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 15:08:15
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by wickedpam:



Ya know what I found out this weekend? Amtrak picks up in Manassas and goes all the way to New Orleans - Via Atlanta. Only 95.00 each way.



To quote Star - Just sayin'.





Well gee, I wonder why it costs $345 for the 3 of us to take the Acela Regional from South Station to Union Station, then? It's about twice that on the Acela Express....



I think you could almost fly to DC for less....and even with $4 gas, I can certainly drive the 450 miles for less than that.



What's wrong with this picture?



Helloooo? Mr. Nominee, are you listening? There's a former governor of Massachusetts that would love to fix Amtrak, if you ask him and give him some money...









Don't do the Acela - try the I95 or 99 regional from Downtown Boston to Union station I found it on the Amtrak site form 207 to 295 for 3 res coach seats.



Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 15:08:41
Well, funny thing about Amtrak. I suppose if gas and air travel costs keep skyrocketing, maybe more people will look at a rail option. Then they might actually make some money.



We just need to make sure there's a Democratic House and Senate at any such time Amtrak's revenues might increase; a Republican congress would immediately cut the subsidy.





Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 15:08:41
Raine,

BTB, Is your friend still there with you? Sounds like you guys had a blast.

Cheers,

mfaye :hug:

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:12:34
Quote by m-hadley:

Raine,

BTB, Is your friend still there with you? Sounds like you guys had a blast.

Cheers,

mfaye :hug:
took her to the airport this morning... got up at 630 am. Guh. I got a little weepy for a bit there.



As for our cookout, Stan and I got into a bit of a heated discussion regarding the senator from NY.



It made the miller show look conservative. I got too emotional. But Stan and I are ok. No hard feelings in the end becuase we are friends first.



Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 15:14:09
Camile Paglia makes me puke

Cheers,

mfaye :D

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 15:14:09
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

I'm wondering. Did we manage to finish off the beer that was brought to DC?


Nope. So many people were drinking vodka that the beer got overlooked. I know ShelaghC took some home, but I ended up taking one of the two cases back home with me.




I knew I should have snagged some to take home!



Me too.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:15:24
Yes we had a blast, btw, having not seen each other for 2 years, we did a lot of catching up. The aquarium, the Zoo, Stone Mountain park, we cooked dinner a few times,went shopping and had many many laughs.



Bobber was a trooper with the extra estrogen that was all around him for the past week.





Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:15:51
Quote by m-hadley:

Camile Paglia makes me puke

Cheers,

mfaye :D
I am SO not a fan of her either.



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:16:20
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

I'm wondering. Did we manage to finish off the beer that was brought to DC?


Nope. So many people were drinking vodka that the beer got overlooked. I know ShelaghC took some home, but I ended up taking one of the two cases back home with me.




I knew I should have snagged some to take home!



Me too.
hindsite is 20-20!



Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 15:20:21
Quote by Raine:

Yes we had a blast, btw, having not seen each other for 2 years, we did a lot of catching up. The aquarium, the Zoo, Stone Mountain park, we cooked dinner a few times,went shopping and had many many laughs.



Bobber was a trooper with the extra estrogen that was all around him for the past week.





It looks like there were some things I didn't get to see when I was in Atlanta back in '97. I'm still working out my summer plans and I'll let you know if ATL goes on my list.

Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 15:26:33
I want these. I think we should be able to get to NYC in 90 minutes or so...





Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:27:48
We spent a lot of time in Little Five points East Atlanta and in our neighborhood. We had to get a new coffeemaker this weekend so we basically drove thru buckhead... it was not her cup of tea... it isn't mine either.



But yes. I have missed my friend. *sigh*

Comment by Scoopster on 05/27/2008 15:29:20




http://www.photobasement.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/choccoveredbacon.jpg


Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 15:30:09
I think that's taking salty and sweet just a bit too far.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:34:29
Quote by Scoopster:





http://www.photobasement.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/choccoveredbacon.jpg
All it needs is a fried egg on top of it.



Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 15:34:59
I can't believe that Momma has not mentioned the passing of Sydney Pollack, the director of one of my all-time favorite movies "They Shoot Horses Don't They?" Veeerrry depressing - but sometimes misery loves company I sent in a few quotes from Mr. Pollack - I hope that Steph reads them - one of them is so good I put it on my blog as a Quote of the Week.

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 15:35:21
Quote by TriSec:

I want these. I think we should be able to get to NYC in 90 minutes or so...





When I was in Paris, I took the train to London (goes through the Chunnel). It got up to 173 MPH - it was VERY cool.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 15:35:31
Not usually a Rita Rudner fan but I did really enjoy Peter's Friends.

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 15:36:58
Quote by Scoopster:





http://www.photobasement.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/choccoveredbacon.jpg


okay first: YUCK!!



second: How can it be "famous" if it's "New!"??

Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 15:37:59
Quote by BobR:



When I was in Paris, I took the train to London (goes through the Chunnel). It got up to 173 MPH - it was VERY cool.




Well damn, is there anyplace you haven't been?



Of course, given the state of Boston's mass transit...things like trains running on-time and not sticking to the seat impress me...



I rode MARTA once, when it was new...how's it holding up? And I can't praise the DC Metro enough; every rapid transit system in the US should work that well...





Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 15:38:20
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Scoopster:





http://www.photobasement.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/choccoveredbacon.jpg


okay first: YUCK!!



second: How can it be "famous" if it's "New!"??




The power of positive thinking? :shrug:



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:38:40
The Vortex Bar and Grill Menu.



Of particular note, these menu items:



CORONARY BYPASS BURGER

Our big sirloin patty topped with a fried egg, three

slices of American cheese, four slices of bacon, and

a big fat side of mayo. 8.25



DOUBLE BYPASS BURGER

The ingredients listed above, but with two grilled

cheese sandwiches replacing the buns. 13.25





no lie.



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 15:38:43
Quote by m-hadley:

I can't believe that Momma has not mentioned the passing of Sydney Pollack, the director of one of my all-time favorite movies "They Shoot Horses Don't They?" Veeerrry depressing - but sometimes misery loves company I sent in a few quotes from Mr. Pollack - I hope that Steph reads them - one of them is so good I put it on my blog as a Quote of the Week.

Cheers,

mfaye


I saw this yesterday and was going to mention it to the folks at our place, but it was hard to get a word in edgewise... :P



okay - I'll say no more about that.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:41:59
:( Sydney Pollack...

Bobber, I am sorry for running my mouth off so much last night. :kickcan:



RIP Mr. Pollack.

Comment by Scoopster on 05/27/2008 15:42:11
Quote by Raine:

The Vortex Bar and Grill Menu.



Of particular note, these menu items:



CORONARY BYPASS BURGER

Our big sirloin patty topped with a fried egg, three

slices of American cheese, four slices of bacon, and

a big fat side of mayo. 8.25



DOUBLE BYPASS BURGER

The ingredients listed above, but with two grilled

cheese sandwiches replacing the buns. 13.25





no lie.



Good lord..

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 15:42:30
Quote by TriSec:





Well damn, is there anyplace you haven't been?



Of course, given the state of Boston's mass transit...things like trains running on-time and not sticking to the seat impress me...



I rode MARTA once, when it was new...how's it holding up? And I can't praise the DC Metro enough; every rapid transit system in the US should work that well...





I used to do Tech Support for a company, and supported the European customers, which required on-site visits on occasion.



MARTA is holding up pretty well, although the train coverage is still woefully inadequate.

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 15:44:40
Quote by Raine:

The Vortex Bar and Grill Menu.



Of particular note, these menu items:



CORONARY BYPASS BURGER

Our big sirloin patty topped with a fried egg, three

slices of American cheese, four slices of bacon, and

a big fat side of mayo. 8.25



DOUBLE BYPASS BURGER

The ingredients listed above, but with two grilled

cheese sandwiches replacing the buns. 13.25





no lie.



Raine was joking about ordering it with two turkey patties and a diet coke :rofl:

Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 15:45:13
But what about the Luther Burger?



http://67.19.222.106/food/graphics/luther.jpg




Yes, those are Krispy Kremes.





Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 15:48:43
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

The Vortex Bar and Grill Menu.



Of particular note, these menu items:



CORONARY BYPASS BURGER

Our big sirloin patty topped with a fried egg, three

slices of American cheese, four slices of bacon, and

a big fat side of mayo. 8.25



DOUBLE BYPASS BURGER

The ingredients listed above, but with two grilled

cheese sandwiches replacing the buns. 13.25





no lie.



Raine was joking about ordering it with two turkey patties and a diet coke :rofl:






Does it come with a cardiologist's business card stapled to the bun? :D



Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 15:50:13
Quote by Scoopster:



Good lord..


Atlanta - home of healthy eating!



In case you haven't seen them already, here's picture of the Luther burger and the hamdog:



Luther burger: A bacon cheeseburger using a grilled Krispy Kreme donut for a bun



Hamdog: A hotdog wrapped in ground beef, then deep-fried and served on a hoagie roll covered with chili, cheese, onions, and a fried egg.



ooOoo

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 15:57:23
:thud: from a convention center to a HOUSE???



and People are saying that Obama might not be able to defeat McCain?

Comment by Scoopster on 05/27/2008 16:00:16
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Scoopster:



Good lord..


Atlanta - home of healthy eating!



In case you haven't seen them already, here's picture of the Luther burger and the hamdog:



Luther burger: A bacon cheeseburger using a grilled Krispy Kreme donut for a bun



Hamdog: A hotdog wrapped in ground beef, then deep-fried and served on a hoagie roll covered with chili, cheese, onions, and a fried egg.



ooOoo


OMG I heard about the Luther Burger - they featured it on The Boondocks!

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 16:00:17
Did artery-clogging food clog the blog too?

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 16:01:15
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Scoopster:



Good lord..


Atlanta - home of healthy eating!



In case you haven't seen them already, here's picture of the Luther burger and the hamdog:



Luther burger: A bacon cheeseburger using a grilled Krispy Kreme donut for a bun



Hamdog: A hotdog wrapped in ground beef, then deep-fried and served on a hoagie roll covered with chili, cheese, onions, and a fried egg.



ooOoo




Scoop....



NOW you know why I said all that Choco-bacon needs is a fried egg on top of it. As a yankee, I find it truly mystifying.



Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 16:02:47
Question - NEtflix - I know I've asked before and gotten good reviews from Mondo about them - but I wanted to see what others had to say about them too. Good, bad, indifferent?

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 16:04:15
Quote by wickedpam:

Question - NEtflix - I know I've asked before and gotten good reviews from Mondo about them - but I wanted to see what others had to say about them too. Good, bad, indifferent?


Sorry - we've never used it.

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 16:05:10
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

The Vortex Bar and Grill Menu.



Of particular note, these menu items:



CORONARY BYPASS BURGER

Our big sirloin patty topped with a fried egg, three

slices of American cheese, four slices of bacon, and

a big fat side of mayo. 8.25



DOUBLE BYPASS BURGER

The ingredients listed above, but with two grilled

cheese sandwiches replacing the buns. 13.25





no lie.



Raine was joking about ordering it with two turkey patties and a diet coke :rofl:






Does it come with a cardiologist's business card stapled to the bun? :D



Cheers,

mfaye


If you can get out without a heart attack, you don't walk out, you waddle out.

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 16:05:25
Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 16:05:55
Quote by Scoopster:

OMG I heard about the Luther Burger - they featured it on The Boondocks!
Holy carp. That is scary and brilliant.



I NOW know WHY the fried eggs are on top of everything! it is so the developers can take over Atlanta!



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 16:09:13
Quote by Random:

Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.
I shall bow...





(oh, wait... I think I did that backwards)





:rofl:



:poke: Heya Random. How are you today?



I must admit, despite all the fun, I have missed everyone a bit this week.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 16:09:38
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

Question - NEtflix - I know I've asked before and gotten good reviews from Mondo about them - but I wanted to see what others had to say about them too. Good, bad, indifferent?


Sorry - we've never used it.




no need to be sorry :D



Just thinking its going to be more cost effective for us. Seems cheaper then renting from Hollywood or Blockbuster, buying dvds or getting ppv's. I'm jsut concerned about customer service and all.



Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 16:10:14
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.
I shall bow...





(oh, wait... I think I did that backwards)





:rofl:



:poke: Heya Random. How are you today?



I must admit, despite all the fun, I have missed everyone a bit this week.


I am well.

Don't worry, I'm sure i won't figure out the Smote button on my keyboard.

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 16:14:44
Quote by Random:

Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.


:: Jumps on-stage wearing Random outfit ::



"I am Random - hear me roar,

In numbers too big to ignore..."



oh wait - not that kind of tribute?



:rofl:

Comment by Scoopster on 05/27/2008 16:17:33
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.


:: Jumps on-stage wearing Random outfit ::



"I am Random - hear me roar,

In numbers too big to ignore..."



oh wait - not that kind of tribute?



:rofl:


Semi-related.. the 4chan /b/ motto is "We are Anonymous. We are legion."

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 16:20:30
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.
I shall bow...





(oh, wait... I think I did that backwards)





:rofl:



:poke: Heya Random. How are you today?



I must admit, despite all the fun, I have missed everyone a bit this week.


I am well.

Don't worry, I'm sure i won't figure out the Smote button on my keyboard.


The SMS live blog needs a smote button or something to spit out the three stooges.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 16:20:45
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.
I shall bow...





(oh, wait... I think I did that backwards)





:rofl:



:poke: Heya Random. How are you today?



I must admit, despite all the fun, I have missed everyone a bit this week.


I am well.

Don't worry, I'm sure i won't figure out the Smote button on my keyboard.
:lol:



I bowed as best I could!



it is nice to see you. Were you at class this morning?



Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 16:20:48
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.


:: Jumps on-stage wearing Random outfit ::



"I am Random - hear me roar,

In numbers too big to ignore..."



oh wait - not that kind of tribute?



:rofl:
I'll take it.



Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 16:22:21
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.
I shall bow...





(oh, wait... I think I did that backwards)





:rofl:



:poke: Heya Random. How are you today?



I must admit, despite all the fun, I have missed everyone a bit this week.


I am well.

Don't worry, I'm sure i won't figure out the Smote button on my keyboard.
:lol:



I bowed as best I could!



it is nice to see you. Were you at class this morning?



sure, lets go with that

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 16:26:52
Random, did you give Clay the business?

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 16:28:32
Quote by livingonli:

Random, did you give Clay the business?


*unsure of Liv's slang*

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 16:33:46
Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

Random, did you give Clay the business?


*unsure of Liv's slang*


Did you call him out on his trolliness?

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 16:34:33
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

Random, did you give Clay the business?


*unsure of Liv's slang*


Did you call him out on his trolliness?


i think i just called him an idiot.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 16:34:55
Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

Random, did you give Clay the business?


*unsure of Liv's slang*


:rofl:

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 16:38:25
Quote by Random:



*unsure of Liv's slang*


Livin' with the 1940's gangster slang...

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 16:49:22
Quote by BobR:



Livin' with the 1940's gangster slang...


Hey, pal, this is a nice neighborhood youse have here. You wouldn't want to see it get messed up, sos I suggest you pay up if youse knows what's good for you.



:D

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 16:49:55
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Your god has returned. bow before me. and give me tribute.
I shall bow...





(oh, wait... I think I did that backwards)





:rofl:



:poke: Heya Random. How are you today?



I must admit, despite all the fun, I have missed everyone a bit this week.


I am well.

Don't worry, I'm sure i won't figure out the Smote button on my keyboard.


The SMS live blog needs a smote button or something to spit out the three stooges.






ahem :coughs: You mean the SMS blog needs a smite button I don't think you can have a keyboard button that is past tense. After all there isn't an "inserted" or a "deleted" key.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 16:53:59
Bobber double post clean up on aisle two!

Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 17:03:19
Say, WP...we've had Netflix for a while.



It's much cheaper than any brick & mortar place, for starters. I've found their movie list to be extensive if not overwhelming...



We've had a couple of bad dvds we had to send back, both times they sent new copies within 48 hours, no muss, no fuss.



We've also had some credit card issues, and have upgraded and downgraded our account a couple of times....never a peep out of them, and the online services work perfectly well.



All in all, it's been good. Now if we could only find time to watch many of these things they send us...



Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 17:06:14
Quote by Mondobubba:

Bobber double post clean up on aisle two!




I too have that power, Herr Mondo.



*sigh* TriSec, the forgotten admin....:kickcan:







Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 17:17:30
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Bobber double post clean up on aisle two!




I too have that power, Herr Mondo.



*sigh* TriSec, the forgotten admin....:kickcan:







I think you have to get out of the salt mines more so people don't forget.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 17:22:17
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Bobber double post clean up on aisle two!




I too have that power, Herr Mondo.



*sigh* TriSec, the forgotten admin....:kickcan:











: smacks palm to forehead: D'oh! Forgive my error Mr. Sec!

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 17:29:19
Random sleepy



Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 17:30:06
Quote by TriSec:

Say, WP...we've had Netflix for a while.



It's much cheaper than any brick & mortar place, for starters. I've found their movie list to be extensive if not overwhelming...



We've had a couple of bad dvds we had to send back, both times they sent new copies within 48 hours, no muss, no fuss.



We've also had some credit card issues, and have upgraded and downgraded our account a couple of times....never a peep out of them, and the online services work perfectly well.



All in all, it's been good. Now if we could only find time to watch many of these things they send us...





Thanks Tri!



All signed up now and trying to sort threw all the movies - have to pick for Mom and Myself so this is very difficult to balance. - so many choices!



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 17:45:37
Quote by Random:

Random sleepy



BobR sleepy too... :: grunt ::



lack of sleep and a post-lunch 2:00 meeting do not bode well...

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 17:50:56
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by TriSec:

Say, WP...we've had Netflix for a while.



It's much cheaper than any brick & mortar place, for starters. I've found their movie list to be extensive if not overwhelming...



We've had a couple of bad dvds we had to send back, both times they sent new copies within 48 hours, no muss, no fuss.



We've also had some credit card issues, and have upgraded and downgraded our account a couple of times....never a peep out of them, and the online services work perfectly well.



All in all, it's been good. Now if we could only find time to watch many of these things they send us...





Thanks Tri!



All signed up now and trying to sort threw all the movies - have to pick for Mom and Myself so this is very difficult to balance. - so many choices!





Ohh the NetFlix conumdrum! So many movies. Hard. to. make. choices.

Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 17:53:12
Quote by livingonli:



I think you have to get out of the salt mines more so people don't forget.






Well....we're post-NPI now, with minimal impact to our operations, thankfully. I think thinks may start to lighten up in the next few weeks...







Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 17:53:22
OK, I got the fan in. Don't have the A/C in yet. When it gets hot enough, I will though.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 18:03:04
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by TriSec:

Say, WP...we've had Netflix for a while.



It's much cheaper than any brick & mortar place, for starters. I've found their movie list to be extensive if not overwhelming...



We've had a couple of bad dvds we had to send back, both times they sent new copies within 48 hours, no muss, no fuss.



We've also had some credit card issues, and have upgraded and downgraded our account a couple of times....never a peep out of them, and the online services work perfectly well.



All in all, it's been good. Now if we could only find time to watch many of these things they send us...





Thanks Tri!



All signed up now and trying to sort threw all the movies - have to pick for Mom and Myself so this is very difficult to balance. - so many choices!





Ohh the NetFlix conumdrum! So many movies. Hard. to. make. choices.




Didn't you say you had a list on Netflix?



Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 18:08:27
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by TriSec:

Say, WP...we've had Netflix for a while.



It's much cheaper than any brick & mortar place, for starters. I've found their movie list to be extensive if not overwhelming...



We've had a couple of bad dvds we had to send back, both times they sent new copies within 48 hours, no muss, no fuss.



We've also had some credit card issues, and have upgraded and downgraded our account a couple of times....never a peep out of them, and the online services work perfectly well.



All in all, it's been good. Now if we could only find time to watch many of these things they send us...





Thanks Tri!



All signed up now and trying to sort threw all the movies - have to pick for Mom and Myself so this is very difficult to balance. - so many choices!





Ohh the NetFlix conumdrum! So many movies. Hard. to. make. choices.




Didn't you say you had a list on Netflix?







Yes I do. Do you want to be my friend? PM or email me on Facecrack your email addy, Mala.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 18:11:43
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by TriSec:

Say, WP...we've had Netflix for a while.



It's much cheaper than any brick & mortar place, for starters. I've found their movie list to be extensive if not overwhelming...



We've had a couple of bad dvds we had to send back, both times they sent new copies within 48 hours, no muss, no fuss.



We've also had some credit card issues, and have upgraded and downgraded our account a couple of times....never a peep out of them, and the online services work perfectly well.



All in all, it's been good. Now if we could only find time to watch many of these things they send us...





Thanks Tri!



All signed up now and trying to sort threw all the movies - have to pick for Mom and Myself so this is very difficult to balance. - so many choices!





Ohh the NetFlix conumdrum! So many movies. Hard. to. make. choices.




Didn't you say you had a list on Netflix?







Yes I do. Do you want to be my friend? PM or email me on Facecrack your email addy, Mala.






facecracked ya :p



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 18:12:24
Quote by Mondobubba:



Yes I do. Do you want to be my friend? PM or email me on Facecrack your email addy, Mala.




oh dearest Mondo: I want to be your friend....













:rofl:

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 18:13:41
Done, Mala

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 18:16:38
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Mondobubba:



Yes I do. Do you want to be my friend? PM or email me on Facecrack your email addy, Mala.




oh dearest Mondo: I want to be your friend....











:rofl:


: "short bus" voice: Bobber you are mah frehn. : smacks chest:



Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 18:18:56
*poke*

Comment by TriSec on 05/27/2008 18:20:57
Well, looks like the first squall line of the season bearing down on us...



Dial up "02452" in the weather radar of your choice...



Comment by wickedpam on 05/27/2008 18:25:23
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Mondobubba:



Yes I do. Do you want to be my friend? PM or email me on Facecrack your email addy, Mala.




oh dearest Mondo: I want to be your friend....











:rofl:


: "short bus" voice: Bobber you are mah frehn. : smacks chest:







:rofl: :hug:



I swear you guys never cease to crack me up!



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 18:28:46
August Pollak's blog has several greats posts here, here, here, here, and here

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 18:29:51
Quote by wickedpam:







:rofl: :hug:



I swear you guys never cease to crack me up!



:: dramatic stage bow ::

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 18:32:15
*plots random acts of destruction*

Comment by Scoopster on 05/27/2008 18:42:31
Quote by TriSec:

Well, looks like the first squall line of the season bearing down on us...



Dial up "02452" in the weather radar of your choice...


Oooh.. should be coming through my part of town just a few minutes behind you then!



This is the same line that rolled through the midwest with some tornado activity. They were reporting that we'd see a bit of hail.. should make for a "scenic" commute home.

Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 19:08:43
If you don't want to listen to Randi, Marc Maron is doing the 3-6 slot on Air America all week. So he's got a second run.



How would people feel about a Seder/Maron show in the 3-6 PM slot?

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 19:30:01
Right down the road from where I live... They vandalized a mural of Obama.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 19:38:35
Quote by BobR:

August Pollak's blog has several greats posts here, here, here, here, and here
On point, every one of those posts.







Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 20:00:13
Time to head off to the salt mine.



So if I had a facebook account, who here would friend me? Just curious. I may give in and hang out with the cool kids.

Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 20:00:49
Quote by Raine:

Right down the road from where I live... They vandalized a mural of Obama.




Raine,

This makes me so sad, angry, and frankly frightened. If this is how some people react to a mural, how will they react to the real McCoy? All the more reason why Hillary's comment was so out-of-bounds. Thanks for passing this along, as awful as it is, it is good to know about crap like this . I hope you are having a relaxing day... Any chance you and BobR might head out Okie way any time soon? :hug:

Cheers,

mfaye :D



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 20:03:41
Quote by m-hadley:





Raine,

This makes me so sad, angry, and frankly frightened. If this is how some people react to a mural, how will they react to the real McCoy? All the more reason why Hillary's comment was so out-of-bounds. Thanks for passing this along, as awful as it is, it is good to know about crap like this . I hope you are having a relaxing day... Any chance you and BobR might head out Okie way any time soon? :hug:

Cheers,

mfaye :D



we'd love to, but finances are probably the biggest obstacle. As I mentioned before, I have some family near OK City.

Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 20:04:18
Quote by livingonli:

Time to head off to the salt mine.



So if I had a facebook account, who here would friend me? Just curious. I may give in and hang out with the cool kids.




Hey there Liv,

I would definitely be your friend on FaceBook (although I love Mondo's new name for it - FaceCrack) or MySpace (which is apparently so five minutes ago, but I'm still there waiting for somebody to come along and find me there - ooops, they must have come by five minutes ago and I missed them )

Cheers,

mfaye :D

Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 20:10:01
Quote by BobR:

Quote by m-hadley:





Raine,

This makes me so sad, angry, and frankly frightened. If this is how some people react to a mural, how will they react to the real McCoy? All the more reason why Hillary's comment was so out-of-bounds. Thanks for passing this along, as awful as it is, it is good to know about crap like this . I hope you are having a relaxing day... Any chance you and BobR might head out Okie way any time soon? :hug:

Cheers,

mfaye :D



we'd love to, but finances are probably the biggest obstacle. As I mentioned before, I have some family near OK City.




BobR & Raine,

If you don't mind sharing a house with two rowdy doggies and one weirdo slightly drunk hostess I promise to feed you and the room is free - so come on out June is wide open - July I'll be in and out of town, so just let me know. The invite is good as long as I'm here...

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 20:14:20
So...whats new?

Comment by m-hadley on 05/27/2008 20:19:03
Quote by Random:

So...whats new?


What's new wich you, Rando?

Hope you don't mind that I just gave your alias a nickname - lemme know if you don't like it...

Cheers,

mfaye :D



Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 20:20:53
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Random:

So...whats new?


What's new wich you, Rando?

Hope you don't mind that I just gave your alias a nickname - lemme know if you don't like it...

Cheers,

mfaye :D



thinking...a lot.

And i dun mind what you call me, just isn't as catchy to me as Fightie was



Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 20:35:43
I've been wondering if being so young, and impressionable, if i've choosen the wrong side...

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 20:44:27
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by m-hadley:





Raine,

This makes me so sad, angry, and frankly frightened. If this is how some people react to a mural, how will they react to the real McCoy? All the more reason why Hillary's comment was so out-of-bounds. Thanks for passing this along, as awful as it is, it is good to know about crap like this . I hope you are having a relaxing day... Any chance you and BobR might head out Okie way any time soon? :hug:

Cheers,

mfaye :D



we'd love to, but finances are probably the biggest obstacle. As I mentioned before, I have some family near OK City.




BobR & Raine,

If you don't mind sharing a house with two rowdy doggies and one weirdo slightly drunk hostess I promise to feed you and the room is free - so come on out June is wide open - July I'll be in and out of town, so just let me know. The invite is good as long as I'm here...

Cheers,

mfaye
I promise we will get there eventually!



This summer is booking up fast for us... an embarassment of riches I suppose. I love rowdy dogs! and as bob said he has family there so we could do an okie world tour!



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 20:45:10
Quote by Random:

I've been wondering if being so young, and impressionable, if i've choosen the wrong side...


wrong side of what Random?

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 20:49:58
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Raine:

Right down the road from where I live... They vandalized a mural of Obama.




Raine,

This makes me so sad, angry, and frankly frightened. If this is how some people react to a mural, how will they react to the real McCoy? All the more reason why Hillary's comment was so out-of-bounds. Thanks for passing this along, as awful as it is, it is good to know about crap like this . I hope you are having a relaxing day... Any chance you and BobR might head out Okie way any time soon? :hug:

Cheers,

mfaye :D

I am a little stunned that it happened too. This area of town is funky and fun and open minded. Sorta reminds me of a tiny little version of the LES. A little Punk, and little rasta, a little biker, a little mystical... It's very cool .



They have had there for a long time a mural there of Aldous Huxley, MLK, and Gore Vidal. Seriously. As a matter of fact, I think this painting was done on that same wall. there are lovely murals on many of the buildings there.



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 20:53:33
Quote by Random:



thinking...a lot.

And i dun mind what you call me, just isn't as catchy to me as Fightie was



"Rando" would probably be better than "dom". :lol:

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 20:56:21
Obama's Great Uncle help liberate Auschwitz.



Those are some big shoes to fill, methinks.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 20:57:43
Quote by Raine:

Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Raine:

Right down the road from where I live... They vandalized a mural of Obama.




Raine,

This makes me so sad, angry, and frankly frightened. If this is how some people react to a mural, how will they react to the real McCoy? All the more reason why Hillary's comment was so out-of-bounds. Thanks for passing this along, as awful as it is, it is good to know about crap like this . I hope you are having a relaxing day... Any chance you and BobR might head out Okie way any time soon? :hug:

Cheers,

mfaye :D

I am a little stunned that it happened too. This area of town is funky and fun and open minded. Sorta reminds me of a tiny little version of the LES. A little Punk, and little rasta, a little biker, a little mystical... It's very cool .



They have had there for a long time a mural there of Aldous Huxley, MLK, and Gore Vidal. Seriously. As a matter of fact, I think this painting was done on that same wall. there are lovely murals on many of the buildings there.

Actually, I take that back,,, the PBR mural, not so loverly.



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 20:58:45
TriSec might be interested in this (although I suspect he already knows):



Philadelphia and area Scouts locked in legal battle over gay policy

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 21:01:48
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

I've been wondering if being so young, and impressionable, if i've choosen the wrong side...


wrong side of what Random?


Just, things. I can look at the other side, and understand, and even agree, despite it being my base value. I can understand why people would be opposed to Welfare, or even universal healthcare. i can understand the want to privatize things.

I just wonder if i'm right in my beliefs.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 21:03:59
Joe Lieberman to headline Hagee summit.



Now correct me if I am wrong, but didn't McCain reject Hagee? Why is John's best bud headlining?

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 21:06:52
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

I've been wondering if being so young, and impressionable, if i've choosen the wrong side...


wrong side of what Random?


Just, things. I can look at the other side, and understand, and even agree, despite it being my base value. I can understand why people would be opposed to Welfare, or even universal healthcare. i can understand the want to privatize things.

I just wonder if i'm right in my beliefs.
It is a good thing to be able to understand the other side random. I truly feel that thru understanding, trying to look at things from other people POV, can we really develop our own personal beliefs.



You sound like you are on the right side of where your heart is. :)







Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 21:09:07
HEre, try this Random...



When you think about privatization, ask yourself this question, do you want to have to afford things like a library, a fire call, or maybe a police officer in case of emergency?





Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 21:09:10
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

I've been wondering if being so young, and impressionable, if i've choosen the wrong side...


wrong side of what Random?


Just, things. I can look at the other side, and understand, and even agree, despite it being my base value. I can understand why people would be opposed to Welfare, or even universal healthcare. i can understand the want to privatize things.

I just wonder if i'm right in my beliefs.
It is a good thing to be able to understand the other side random. I truly feel that thru understanding, trying to look at things from other people POV, can we really develop our own personal beliefs.



You sound like you are on the right side of where your heart is. :)





yeah, but it's easier to be firm in your beliefs and not question them.

*sighs* I blame Recount.



Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 21:15:38
Quote by Random:

yeah, but it's easier to be firm in your beliefs and not question them.

*sighs* I blame Recount.



Dubya was firm in his beliefs and didn't question them. That is not the way to go through life.



Being inquisitive and trying to get a holistic view of whatever it is you're trying to understand is always a good thing. You don't have to agree with a different point of view to understand it. Ultimately, you need to look at as much evidence as possible, and then try to determine what is best for the planet, your country, your state, and finally you. What feels right usually is...

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 21:16:04
Quote by Raine:

HEre, try this Random...



When you think about privatization, ask yourself this question, do you want to have to afford things like a library, a fire call, or maybe a police officer in case of emergency?





on the flip side, through public financing, library's, fire departments, and even police stations are often underfunded, and through privitization, things could be improved, and with the right sanctions and rules applied by the government, can create accountability.



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 21:16:15
Are you sure you are questioning your beliefs or others?



Both are good things, I believe. One is introspective the other is trying to understand.



We will be watching recount tonite I think. with all the festivities of the weekend, we did not have a chance to.

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 21:21:52
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

yeah, but it's easier to be firm in your beliefs and not question them.

*sighs* I blame Recount.



Dubya was firm in his beliefs and didn't question them. That is not the way to go through life.



Being inquisitive and trying to get a holistic view of whatever it is you're trying to understand is always a good thing. You don't have to agree with a different point of view to understand it. Ultimately, you need to look at as much evidence as possible, and then try to determine what is best for the planet, your country, your state, and finally you. What feels right usually is...
ultimatly the problem is, i kind of agree with both sides. I know that both are, in essence correct, and it all comes down to personality types.



Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 21:29:43
It turned out David Bender is doing the AAR show, not Marc Maron. The idjit Daily News columnist got it wrong on the host du jour.



I'm surprised that no one commented on Randi citing the same Camille Paglia article that Steph mentioned today plus Randi even cited Maureen Dowd.



Take with it what you will.

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 21:29:48
Quote by Random:

ultimatly the problem is, i kind of agree with both sides. I know that both are, in essence correct, and it all comes down to personality types.



Welcome to adult life :)



Back when politics was a little more balanced, you'd have the left and the right striving for the same goal, but with different ideas about how to get there. Often, the best way is somewhere in between.

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 21:31:24
true...doesn't mean i can have difficulty with what i ultmiatly believe.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 21:31:45
Quote by Raine:

Obama's Great Uncle help liberate Auschwitz.



Those are some big shoes to fill, methinks.








: Dons Holocaust History Helmet: Since Auschwitz is in Poland, hard for Americans to liberate it.

Comment by Random on 05/27/2008 21:36:53
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

Obama's Great Uncle help liberate Auschwitz.



Those are some big shoes to fill, methinks.








: Dons Holocaust History Helmet: Since Auschwitz is in Poland, hard for Americans to liberate it.


*can hear our bloggieTrolls now*

NOOOOOO!

*runs for hills*



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 21:40:24
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

Obama's Great Uncle help liberate Auschwitz.



Those are some big shoes to fill, methinks.




: Dons Holocaust History Helmet: Since Auschwitz is in Poland, hard for Americans to liberate it.


*can hear our bloggieTrolls now*

NOOOOOO!

*runs for hills*

Well, my bad for possibly mis repping... it was Ohrduf camp. Still pretty cool



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 21:45:16
Quote by livingonli:

It turned out David Bender is doing the AAR show, not Marc Maron. The idjit Daily News columnist got it wrong on the host du jour.



I'm surprised that no one commented on Randi citing the same Camille Paglia article that Steph mentioned today plus Randi even cited Maureen Dowd.



Take with it what you will.
I heard randi read parts of that article, and I have to say, it is bad when I find myself agreeing with Camille (the paglia, not my pussy...)





Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 21:47:24
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

Obama's Great Uncle help liberate Auschwitz.



Those are some big shoes to fill, methinks.




: Dons Holocaust History Helmet: Since Auschwitz is in Poland, hard for Americans to liberate it.


*can hear our bloggieTrolls now*

NOOOOOO!

*runs for hills*

Well, my bad for possibly mis repping... it was Ohrduf camp. Still pretty cool



One of the comments did have a point that most Holocaust imagery is of Auschwitz and considering that the camps in Eastern Europe would have been liberated by the Soviets and not the American or British troops, that does need to be reconciled.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 21:48:16
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

Obama's Great Uncle help liberate Auschwitz.



Those are some big shoes to fill, methinks.




: Dons Holocaust History Helmet: Since Auschwitz is in Poland, hard for Americans to liberate it.


*can hear our bloggieTrolls now*

NOOOOOO!

*runs for hills*

Well, my bad for possibly mis repping... it was Ohrduf camp. Still pretty cool







Indeed it is. So, Poppa Mondo's outfit, the 86th Infantry liberated a camp too.

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 21:51:22
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

Obama's Great Uncle help liberate Auschwitz.



Those are some big shoes to fill, methinks.




: Dons Holocaust History Helmet: Since Auschwitz is in Poland, hard for Americans to liberate it.


*can hear our bloggieTrolls now*

NOOOOOO!

*runs for hills*

Well, my bad for possibly mis repping... it was Ohrduf camp. Still pretty cool

I do believe the 89th infantry division supported the Russians in this endeavor, since we were allies at that point.







Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 21:53:56
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

Obama's Great Uncle help liberate Auschwitz.



Those are some big shoes to fill, methinks.




: Dons Holocaust History Helmet: Since Auschwitz is in Poland, hard for Americans to liberate it.


*can hear our bloggieTrolls now*

NOOOOOO!

*runs for hills*

Well, my bad for possibly mis repping... it was Ohrduf camp. Still pretty cool







Indeed it is. So, Poppa Mondo's outfit, the 86th Infantry liberated a camp too.
If we had a salute emoticon, I would use it for Poppa Mondo.



Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 22:19:00
Form my daily DN! e-mail;



* The "Golden Voice of the Great Southwest": Legendary Folk Musician,

Activist Utah Phillips, 1935-2008 *



Utah Phillips, the legendary folk musician and peace and labor activist, has

died at the age of seventy-three. Over the span of nearly four decades, Utah

Phillips worked in what he referred to as "the Trade," performing tirelessly

throughout the United States, Canada and Europe. The son of labor

organizers, Phillips was a lifelong member of the Industrial Workers of the

World, known as the Wobblies. As a teenager, he ran away from home and

started living as a hobo who rode the rails and wrote songs about his

experiences. In 1956, he joined the Army and served in the Korean War, an

experience he would later refer to as the turning point of his life. In

1968, he ran for the US Senate on the Peace and Freedom Party ticket. For

the past twenty-one years he lived in Nevada City, where he started a

nationally syndicated folk music radio show. He also helped found the

Hospitality House homeless shelter and the Peace and Justice Center. We

spend the hour with an interview with Phillips from January 2004.



Listen/Watch/Read

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/27/utah_phillips_1935_2008_legendary





* Headlines for May 27, 2008 *



IAEA Criticizes Iran on Nuclear Disclosure

Carter: Israel Has 150 Nukes

Pentagon, House to Investigate Propaganda Program

Top Military Commander Warns Troops on Political Speech

Officers Won't Be Charged in Marine Killings of Afghan Civilians

South American Leaders Form Regional Bloc

Leader of Colombian Rebel Group FARC Dies

Chile Cracks Down on Ex-Dictatorship Forces

Oaxacan Teachers Press Strike with New Protest

Castro Criticizes Obama on Embargo Pledge

Harsh Sentences for Immigrant Workers Jailed in Iowa Crackdown

UN: Burmese Junta Blocking Relief Effort

China Could See Mass Evacuation to Evade Flooding

House Arrest Extended for Burmese Pro-Democracy Leader Suu Kyi

South Koreans Protest Easing of US Beef Ban

Director Sydney Pollack Dies at 73



Listen/Watch/Read

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/27/headlines



Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 22:53:13
RIP Utah. :(

Comment by Raine on 05/27/2008 23:00:15
Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:

It turned out David Bender is doing the AAR show, not Marc Maron. The idjit Daily News columnist got it wrong on the host du jour.



I'm surprised that no one commented on Randi citing the same Camille Paglia article that Steph mentioned today plus Randi even cited Maureen Dowd.



Take with it what you will.
I heard randi read parts of that article, and I have to say, it is bad when I find myself agreeing with Camille (the paglia, not my pussy...)



I want to clarify something here... her campaign and supporters (those we see on TV... Not our friends on the interenets) imo, seems to want her to be immune to criticism BECAUSE she's a woman.



That is once again, IMO how this whole "sexism" debate is coming across to me.





Comment by livingonli on 05/27/2008 23:10:25
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:

It turned out David Bender is doing the AAR show, not Marc Maron. The idjit Daily News columnist got it wrong on the host du jour.



I'm surprised that no one commented on Randi citing the same Camille Paglia article that Steph mentioned today plus Randi even cited Maureen Dowd.



Take with it what you will.
I heard randi read parts of that article, and I have to say, it is bad when I find myself agreeing with Camille (the paglia, not my pussy...)



I want to clarify something here... her campaign and supporters (those we see on TV... Not our friends on the interenets) imo, seems to want her to be immune to criticism BECAUSE she's a woman.



That is once again, IMO how this whole "sexism" debate is coming across to me.





She seems to want to have it both ways. She runs in the name of feminism in her push to be the first female president and at the same time she is running on the husband's coattails by the recognition of the Clinton name and citing her role as First Lady as proof of her experience over her record as US Senator. (I guess she wants us to forget that war vote). And if anyone calls her on her crap like the Rovian Republican tactics and some of the right-wing BS she has spouted, she then goes off on how everyone is against her.



And we know that there are women leaders who haven't always done the right thing for humanity, just remember these two words: Margaret Thatcher.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 23:11:27
"Cops" in Jacksonville. The are all wearing Dangle shorts! An entire department of law enforcement cheetas! :rofl:

Comment by BobR on 05/27/2008 23:24:15
Quote by Mondobubba:

"Cops" in Jacksonville. The are all wearing Dangle shorts! An entire department of law enforcement cheetas! :rofl:


Is that a taser in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/27/2008 23:38:14
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Mondobubba:

"Cops" in Jacksonville. The are all wearing Dangle shorts! An entire department of law enforcement cheetas! :rofl:


Is that a taser in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?






Be careful, I might have to use that stun gun, Bobber.

Comment by clintster on 05/28/2008 00:05:22
Utah Phillips? Damn. Now I'm gonna have to break out my copy of "Fellow Travelers" and listen tonight.



Be at peace, Utah, wherever you are.

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 00:13:20
Random took a nap.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/28/2008 00:17:10
Sweaty McTap Dance has thrown his former boss under the bus!

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/28/2008 00:26:42
Wow, Tubby has really thrown bus under the bus, put it reverse then drove over him again.

Comment by livingonli on 05/28/2008 01:09:54
Quote by Mondobubba:

Wow, Tubby has really thrown bus under the bus, put it reverse then drove over him again.


Sounds like I missed something good. It ain't gonna save his ass from the stir unless he rats him out to save his ass.



At least the Mafia has a code of honor.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/28/2008 01:12:16
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Wow, Tubby has really thrown bus under the bus, put it reverse then drove over him again.


Sounds like I missed something good. It ain't gonna save his ass from the stir unless he rats him out to save his ass.



At least the Mafia has a code of honor.






Not Tubby McTreason, Chummy McSharkbait. Scott McClellan.

Comment by livingonli on 05/28/2008 01:17:33
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Wow, Tubby has really thrown bus under the bus, put it reverse then drove over him again.


Sounds like I missed something good. It ain't gonna save his ass from the stir unless he rats him out to save his ass.



At least the Mafia has a code of honor.






Not Tubby McTreason, Chummy McSharkbait. Scott McClellan.


Is that book out now? It was hinted months ago that his new book was going to throw Bush under the bus and say that Bush lied to him. Especially since he wasn't as good a liar as Tony Snow or Ari Fleischer. Now, Dana Perrino on the other hand is just clueless.

Comment by livingonli on 05/28/2008 01:19:34
And don't forget the collaborations that Utah did with Ani DiFranco.

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 01:22:34
Random is watching Andromeda Strain



Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 01:22:37
Random is watching Andromeda Strain



Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 01:24:17
is reading SMS live blog.

Who's George?

Comment by livingonli on 05/28/2008 01:28:42
Quote by Random:

is reading SMS live blog.

Who's George?


I saw him today. A new Hillary defender. Hope he's not buddies with The Three Stooges.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/28/2008 01:31:34
Quote by Random:

Random is watching Andromeda Strain







Which if you have read the book, or seen the original movie, blows goats for a nickel and gives change.

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 01:33:41
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Random is watching Andromeda Strain







Which if you have read the book, or seen the original movie, blows goats for a nickel and gives change.


that's harsh.

I've read the book (I'm a Chricton fan, even though i can spell his name). own the original movie.

but i kind of like this "mini-series"

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 01:34:56
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

is reading SMS live blog.

Who's George?


I saw him today. A new Hillary defender. Hope he's not buddies with The Three Stooges.


hope he's not one of the three stooges.

It's actually kind of an interesting study of trolls, watching our friends.

You forget that libertarian who shows up from time to time.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/28/2008 01:37:43
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Random is watching Andromeda Strain







Which if you have read the book, or seen the original movie, blows goats for a nickel and gives change.


that's harsh.

I've read the book (I'm a Chricton fan, even though i can spell his name). own the original movie.

but i kind of like this "mini-series"






Welcome to Mondoland! Where the opinion are harsh.

Comment by livingonli on 05/28/2008 01:38:42
Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

is reading SMS live blog.

Who's George?


I saw him today. A new Hillary defender. Hope he's not buddies with The Three Stooges.


hope he's not one of the three stooges.

It's actually kind of an interesting study of trolls, watching our friends.

You forget that libertarian who shows up from time to time.


libertarian1 is in his own little world. I think he's a Ron Paul groupie.

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 01:39:03
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Random is watching Andromeda Strain







Which if you have read the book, or seen the original movie, blows goats for a nickel and gives change.


that's harsh.

I've read the book (I'm a Chricton fan, even though i can spell his name). own the original movie.

but i kind of like this "mini-series"






Welcome to Mondoland! Where the opinion are harsh.


dun worry, Random will mellow you out Mondo.

Comment by livingonli on 05/28/2008 01:45:37
I got the Marc Maron e-mail. He is doing the 3-6 PM host du jour shift on Air America Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. He just didn't do it today.

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 01:50:47
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

is reading SMS live blog.

Who's George?


I saw him today. A new Hillary defender. Hope he's not buddies with The Three Stooges.


hope he's not one of the three stooges.

It's actually kind of an interesting study of trolls, watching our friends.

You forget that libertarian who shows up from time to time.


libertarian1 is in his own little world. I think he's a Ron Paul groupie.


I've already expressed my lack of support for that cause.

but again, the trolls are kind of interesting.

Comment by livingonli on 05/28/2008 01:58:02
Tonight our big prime-time highlight was a 1985 Iron Maiden concert.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/28/2008 01:59:00
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Random is watching Andromeda Strain







Which if you have read the book, or seen the original movie, blows goats for a nickel and gives change.


that's harsh.

I've read the book (I'm a Chricton fan, even though i can spell his name). own the original movie.

but i kind of like this "mini-series"






Welcome to Mondoland! Where the opinion are harsh.


dun worry, Random will mellow you out Mondo.






:rofl: Yeah that is going to happen.

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 02:00:57
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Random is watching Andromeda Strain







Which if you have read the book, or seen the original movie, blows goats for a nickel and gives change.


that's harsh.

I've read the book (I'm a Chricton fan, even though i can spell his name). own the original movie.

but i kind of like this "mini-series"






Welcome to Mondoland! Where the opinion are harsh.


dun worry, Random will mellow you out Mondo.






:rofl: Yeah that is going to happen.


Hm...Ya never know Mister Mondo. Random Mellow everyone out...Random like the Wacky Tabacie

Comment by livingonli on 05/28/2008 02:03:51
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Random is watching Andromeda Strain







Which if you have read the book, or seen the original movie, blows goats for a nickel and gives change.


that's harsh.

I've read the book (I'm a Chricton fan, even though i can spell his name). own the original movie.

but i kind of like this "mini-series"






Welcome to Mondoland! Where the opinion are harsh.


dun worry, Random will mellow you out Mondo.






:rofl: Yeah that is going to happen.


Hm...Ya never know Mister Mondo. Random Mellow everyone out...Random like the Wacky Tabacie


You need to hang out with Scoopster.

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 02:15:16
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Hm...Ya never know Mister Mondo. Random Mellow everyone out...Random like the Wacky Tabacie


You need to hang out with Scoopster.


*laughs* maaaaybe.

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 02:43:27
Having seen the end...yes, this Andromeda strain mini-series sucks

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/28/2008 02:55:45
Quote by Random:

Having seen the end...yes, this Andromeda strain mini-series sucks






Indeed it does. Blows goats for nickel and gives change.

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 03:04:39
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Having seen the end...yes, this Andromeda strain mini-series sucks






Indeed it does. Blows goats for nickel and gives change.


it was kinda good till the last half hour.

have you actually watched it?

Comment by livingonli on 05/28/2008 03:08:29
Question: Does sportsgist.com sound like it should be something dirty?

Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 03:10:45
Quote by livingonli:

Question: Does sportsgist.com sound like it should be something dirty?


sounds like a sight for guys who get off to girls playing "touch" football.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/28/2008 03:17:10
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Having seen the end...yes, this Andromeda strain mini-series sucks






Indeed it does. Blows goats for nickel and gives change.


it was kinda good till the last half hour.

have you actually watched it?






Yep I watched it. So I can say without fear of contradiction that it blew goats for nickel and gave change.

Comment by Raine on 05/28/2008 04:09:31
Quote by clintster:

Utah Phillips? Damn. Now I'm gonna have to break out my copy of "Fellow Travelers" and listen tonight.



Be at peace, Utah, wherever you are.
perusing before I head to sleep tonite... nice to see you clintster!



OK, We watched *recount*... I would like to discuss tomorrow, but until then, please let me say that the constitution, and our laws in america are not something to get over... they are something to be respected.



oh, and there is a little hatred in my heart tonite for James Baker.



Gnite all. and



Comment by Random on 05/28/2008 10:56:48
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Having seen the end...yes, this Andromeda strain mini-series sucks






Indeed it does. Blows goats for nickel and gives change.


it was kinda good till the last half hour.

have you actually watched it?






Yep I watched it. So I can say without fear of contradiction that it blew goats for nickel and gave change.
I was kinda cool with updating some of it, and all that, but the true bastardization of the ending really irked me. it was pointless. absolutly know point in that ending besides just to have people die.