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Crimes against Humanity (CHum)
Author: Raine    Date: 06/02/2008 06:36:32

Now we have Torture Ships.
The United States is operating "floating prisons" to house those arrested in its war on terror, according to human rights lawyers, who claim there has been an attempt to conceal the numbers and whereabouts of detainees.

Details of ships where detainees have been held and sites allegedly being used in countries across the world have been compiled as the debate over detention without trial intensifies on both sides of the Atlantic. The US government was yesterday urged to list the names and whereabouts of all those detained.

Information about the operation of prison ships has emerged through a number of sources, including statements from the US military, the Council of Europe and related parliamentary bodies, and the testimonies of prisoners.

The analysis, due to be published this year by the human rights organisation Reprieve, also claims there have been more than 200 new cases of rendition since 2006, when President George Bush declared that the practice had stopped.
[...]
According to research carried out by Reprieve, the US may have used as many as 17 ships as "floating prisons" since 2001. Detainees are interrogated aboard the vessels and then rendered to other, often undisclosed, locations, it is claimed.

Since 2001. Since the *Resident told us that we longer use rendition, it is even more troubling that 200 cases were alegedly carried out. How are these not crimes against humanity?
In 2002, the International Criminal Court (ICC) was established in The Hague (Netherlands) and the Rome Statute provides for the ICC to have jurisdiction over genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. The definition of what is a "crime against humanity" for ICC proceedings has significantly broadened from its original legal definition or that used by the UN,[1] and Article 7 of the treaty stated that:
For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:
    Murder;

    Extermination;

    Enslavement;

    Deportation or forcible transfer of population;

    Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;

    Torture;

    Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;

    Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;

    Enforced disappearance of persons;

    The crime of apartheid;

    Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health
.
Source.

In case anyone forgot, a few years ago, we learned that America was practicing extraordinary rendition. It is also known as "torture by proxy". In 2006, the report that stunned so many people was that we renditioned one hundred people. Did you get that?

100.

Can we go back, for a minute? Did you see where I mentioned that since 2006 we did this to 200 people? Is the scale being put into place?
A little background...
A Canadian citizen told his story about what happened to him. America sent him to Syria -- he was tortured. A Canadian. oh, and btw... the US picked him up at Kennedy Airport.
Over the past 7 years there have been many stories like this. Here is another, from 2004.

I could go on. I am tempted to go on. Tempted because I think at the time when these terrible atrocities were happening, many of my fellow Americans were at the height of a patriotic fervour. Even in 2004, many were still very in shock and distraught about the events of 9/11. *ush was still a rather popular man, and many did not want to know or listen to those that would speak out against him. Are they ready to listen now? In 2006, Bush said we do not practice extraordinary rendition.

Well, now I want people to listen. Here we are in 2008, and today we are learning that this administration has torture SHIPS. Boats. BIG ass Boats... and we are accused of keeping these people in the hulls. We interrogated them on board and then 'rendered' them to undisclosed locations. PBS told us ALL about it last year.
Oh, and Blackwater helped transport *suspects* as well...

Nice, huh? You know, I would like to know if anyone kept a list of ALL the people on these ships. it would be really easy for a person to suddenly become chum. Ooopsie, a suspect died, the body can now be given a burial at sea. Yes, my snark is at full tilt right now.

It's easier to make chum than anything to put into an oven. I say this to inflame, yes, but to also get people to understand that this is not a holocaust or a genocide, but this is a beginning of a terrible atrocity of a people. I use 'beginning' lightly as well... I think we are actually in full bore.

In light of that snark, I would like to know who implemented this policy? Is it like Abu Ghraib, a policy where we never really get the full story about who gave those commands? You can't blame a few bad apples on this one, not when you have SHIPS, Amphibious Assault vehicles and the like carrying out these practices. This administration has used (perhaps 'forced' would be a better word) our fine men and women who volunteered to serve our nation with honour, to carry out war crimes and atrocities that make me cry for our nation.

This administration has been found guilty of crimes against humanity once. It's time that we NOW do something about it, for real. Do you hear me, Speaker Pelosi? Do you think for one minute that we are treating prisoners better on a boat than we did at Abu Grahib, when we are still trying to say that waterboarding is a legal practice? The bigger question is WHY we are allowing these practices to continue. Why? Just how far can this administration actually bend the law? It seems as though once they do, they know they can break it because you took impeachment off the table.

Ms. Pelosi, don't you get it?

I think it is time for this man to be charged with crimes against humanity. At one point in time we could have blamed Rummy, but he has been gone since 11/06... you can't keep blaming this on him. Not when we are learning that AFTER he left office we increased it by about 100%. 100 incidents BEFORE 2006, 200 since (I may be a bit conservative in my math).

The President is our nation's leader... it is time for him to take responsibility for his actions. AND, if they were not his actions, he needs to come clean. At that point he needs to held accountable. If he cannot, we need a house speaker who will. This is not about a blowjob, This is not about politics, or positioning for the '08 elections... this is about EVERYTHING this nation was built upon.

How about this... we forget about Iraq with all those bogeymen terrorists and start being as concerned about this president and our own country and Constitution, THEN we worry about the bad guys over there? In other words: let's clean up our own house before we start telling everyone else how to run theirs. The USA has some serious cleaning up to do.

These are crimes against humanity. Either we hold our own accountable or the world will truly judge this administration. The only other thought is that this administration is trying to redefine *Humanity*... that is a scary thought. We could all be chum then, you know.

:peace: and :heart:
Raine

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Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 12:22:35
I think i'm going to skip Steph's live blog today...

great post Raine >< just give me a minute or two to finish readin it.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/02/2008 12:44:47
Good move, Random. There are two new trolls (I think) over there -



I admit - so often, I want to get into it with them - but that would violate my personal rule of not engaging hecklers...



Thankfully there a lot of great SM fans over there that are willing to take the stress of it.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 12:47:55
Hm...joy, good reason to get out, what they going on about?

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 12:50:05
Raine, an excellent if troubling post. I read the Guardian story while working on the Daily Headlines last night. I was sickened.



In war, one of the first things that is done by many governments is to redefine the enemy as something less human than one's own side and allies. While this is wrong, what has been done with my tax dollars is far worse: torture of people and practices that we rightfully condemned in the Nuremberg war crimes trials.



Here is some news:



Senator Kennedy to have brain surgery this morning



The UNN Daily Headlines are up.



While much of the news today is distressing, let us not lose faith in our ability to bring about positive change. Even in humanity's darkest hours, there were those who were willing to shine a light on the truth and take a stand. May their courage and honesty inspire us in our own times.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/02/2008 12:50:08
Quote by Random:

Hm...joy, good reason to get out, what they going on about?




The "unfairness" of the DNC R&BL Committee's Saturday decision.



Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 12:51:45
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Random:

Hm...joy, good reason to get out, what they going on about?




The "unfairness" of the DNC R&BL Committee's Saturday decision.



well...yeah, no comment.



Comment by m-hadley on 06/02/2008 12:53:22
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:

I'm just blowing through to say hey this Monday morning - gotta work today. Hey Raine, Random, Shane-0 :D

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 12:55:46
You may also want to take a look at the following piece in Vanity Fair:



Bubba Trouble The Comeback Id.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/02/2008 12:57:08
Mornin' Faye - in case you didn't get my "thank you" via yesterday's blog - THANK YOU! -- the clip I needed was indeed in the mp3's you sent - and it came in very handy.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/02/2008 12:58:57
Quote by Random:

Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Random:

Hm...joy, good reason to get out, what they going on about?




The "unfairness" of the DNC R&BL Committee's Saturday decision.



well...yeah, no comment.





Yeah, well there are PLENTY of comments over there.



And some worry about unifying the party... how silly



Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 13:05:47
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Random:

Hm...joy, good reason to get out, what they going on about?




The "unfairness" of the DNC R&BL Committee's Saturday decision.



well...yeah, no comment.





Yeah, well there are PLENTY of comments over there.



And some worry about unifying the party... how silly



maybe i'll go take a peek....

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/02/2008 13:07:25
Gads! I skimmed this story this morning in my morning paper (HuffPo). This is horrifying. Yes, lets just detain, question then dump at sea our supposed enemies. Whatever happened to trial and conviction? Its becoming a quaint remembrance.



In the 70's Argentina used to drop political prisoners into the sea from helicopters.



:kickcan:

Comment by clintster on 06/02/2008 13:09:46
Oh my God, Harriet, get a grip. What a way to start the show. Happy Mondee, everybody.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 13:11:25
Good morning!







Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 13:17:46
holy crap. Neil boortz is such an idiot.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/02/2008 13:19:25
This should cheer everybody up. This is Barack holding "Baby" a dog rescued from a puppy mill that will be featured in a book coming out this week A Rare Breed of Love. Baby lost a leg due to cage confinement and had her vocal cords cut so the owners of the mill wouldn't have to listen to her cry. The book will have pictures of her with celebs like Moby, Lindsay Lohan, Amy Sedaris and this guy:



http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/velveeta_jones/people/barackandbaby.jpg


Comment by jd_in_ny on 06/02/2008 13:21:27
good morning!

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 13:23:34
I feel all warm and fuzzy now!

Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 13:24:07
Quote by Raine:

holy crap. Neil boortz is such an idiot.


Doing Atlanta proud... :rolleyes2:



Morning, folks... :coffee:

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 13:26:40
*returns* I...think i'll stay here today.

Comment by clintster on 06/02/2008 13:27:51
Quote by velveeta jones:

This should cheer everybody up. This is Barack holding "Baby" a dog rescued from a puppy mill that will be featured in a book coming out this week A Rare Breed of Love. Baby lost a leg due to cage confinement and had her vocal cords cut so the owners of the mill wouldn't have to listen to her cry. The book will have pictures of her with celebs like Moby, Lindsay Lohan, Amy Sedaris and this guy:



http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/velveeta_jones/people/barackandbaby.jpg




Nice photo! I'll have to look for the book when it comes out. :)

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 13:29:32
Quote by will in chicago:

You may also want to take a look at the following piece in Vanity Fair:



Bubba Trouble The Comeback Id.
I have not read the article yet, but I have been reading This from Politico...Basically, the gist of it is that a former Clinton Employee has a husband who wrote the article and is therefore it was unfair and Biased.



To which I reply... Geroge Stephanopoulas ...anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 13:30:51
Quote by will in chicago:

Raine, an excellent if troubling post. I read the Guardian story while working on the Daily Headlines last night. I was sickened.



In war, one of the first things that is done by many governments is to redefine the enemy as something less human than one's own side and allies. While this is wrong, what has been done with my tax dollars is far worse: torture of people and practices that we rightfully condemned in the Nuremberg war crimes trials.



Here is some news:



Senator Kennedy to have brain surgery this morning



The UNN Daily Headlines are up.



While much of the news today is distressing, let us not lose faith in our ability to bring about positive change. Even in humanity's darkest hours, there were those who were willing to shine a light on the truth and take a stand. May their courage and honesty inspire us in our own times.
I will light a candle for the Senator.



Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 13:35:37
Quote by Raine:

Quote by will in chicago:

You may also want to take a look at the following piece in Vanity Fair:



Bubba Trouble The Comeback Id.
I have not read the article yet, but I have been reading This from Politico...Basically, the gist of it is that a former Clinton Employee has a husband who wrote the article and is therefore it was unfair and Biased.



To which I reply... Geroge Stephanopoulas ...anyone? Bueller? Bueller?






While I do use the Politico in the Daily Headlines, I take it with a grain or two of salt.



Stephanopoulos worked for Clinton, and I think that there is a huge difference.

Comment by clintster on 06/02/2008 13:37:42
Quote by Random:

*returns* I...think i'll stay here today.




Good call, Random. Apparently an army of Harriets are being sent out to convince us that Hillary should be the nominee, 'cause Obama is, ummm...



I'm not sure what their thinking is on that. Anyway, just hang here and have fun.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 13:38:30
Comment by jd_in_ny on 06/02/2008 13:40:49
He can't win because we won't vote for him because he can't win!!!!!!

/crazy.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 13:41:24
Quote by clintster:

Quote by Random:

*returns* I...think i'll stay here today.




Good call, Random. Apparently an army of Harriets are being sent out to convince us that Hillary should be the nominee, 'cause Obama is, ummm...



I'm not sure what their thinking is on that. Anyway, just hang here and have fun.



I'm curious, who there do you consider a Troll?

Comment by Shane-O on 06/02/2008 13:42:43
Correct me if I'm wrong - but didn't Obama beat a few "white men" too?

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 13:45:34
Harriet is Kyle.



I am afraid to even peak at the SMS blog this morning.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 13:47:00
Quote by Shane-O:

Correct me if I'm wrong - but didn't Obama beat a few "white men" too?
Those were those not hard working white americans in states like Iowa, silly.



Comment by m-hadley on 06/02/2008 13:48:07
Quote by Shane-O:

Mornin' Faye - in case you didn't get my "thank you" via yesterday's blog - THANK YOU! -- the clip I needed was indeed in the mp3's you sent - and it came in very handy.




Shane-O,

Glad I could help out - I do soooo love your work Anything to assist a fellow StephHead Back to work...

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by Scoopster on 06/02/2008 13:51:55
Morning all! I trust your weekends were all productive and relaxing..



and wtf @ naval ships being used as floating prisons?! Is this the "logical" step between torture at Gitmo and extraordinary renditioning?!

Comment by shelaghc on 06/02/2008 13:54:14
Yesterday was a sad day.



http://www.samsedershow.tv/images/final1.jpg


http://www.samsedershow.tv/images/final.jpg






Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 13:57:26
RIP, Yves. I loved his fashion design.







Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 13:57:49
Morning :hug:

Comment by starling310 on 06/02/2008 14:02:28




vacation is over.





Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 14:03:56
Big Universal fire and while the clocktower went up in flames Bruce the shark from JAWS still lives :p

Comment by Scoopster on 06/02/2008 14:06:54
Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 14:11:44
HEY!!! It occurs to me that HArriet might be a bitter voter for HRC... :P

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 14:21:59
Quote by starling310:





vacation is over.



Welcome back :star:ling! I hope you found time to relax and chill!



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 14:23:32
:lol: he is a *moran* and a *looser*.



Comment by starling310 on 06/02/2008 14:23:44
Miss Raine. Howdy doo!?



I took the week to refinish my horrible, awful, absolutely depressing kitchen cabinets. The bottom half still isn't done but that should go more quickly!





Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 14:26:20
Random has returned

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 14:27:55
Oh lord... they WAY he won?!?!



TRanslation: HArriet and Donnie both seem to think that Barack should have known his place, and waited his turn.



And Harriet .... she sounds like she smokes Road flares and drinks Gin Ricky's

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 14:28:38
A belated good morning.



I think I need to put the A/C back in on my days off. When it's warm, the fan really doesn't help me sleep.



So, Bush is turning this country into Pinochet's Chile where we use ships instead of soccer fields. And no one wants to impeach the bastard.

Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 14:29:16
Donnie: She wouldn't have been called out by the media if she hadn't used such despicable campaign tactics. Also: Obama is winning because he won more pledged delegates, and because he ran a better campaign (he targeted areas where he could maximize his delegate count).



Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 14:29:27
I think Mark in Casper got his marching orders from the GOP.

Comment by starling310 on 06/02/2008 14:29:31
OMG...speaking of Fran Drescher, I had insomnia last night and was watching old episodes of Fame on hulu.com and did you all know that Fran was on it?!?!?

I was sitting there and said, out loud to myself, "Hey! That's Fran Drescher!"



aaaaanyway.....

Comment by starling310 on 06/02/2008 14:32:55
Quote by Raine:

Oh lord... they WAY he won?!?!



TRanslation: HArriet and Donnie both seem to think that Barack should have known his place, and waited his turn.



And Harriet .... she sounds like she smokes Road flares and drinks Gin Ricky's




Hey...I smoke road flares and drink Gin Rickys. What are you trying to say? :waiting:



Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 14:35:05
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Oh lord... they WAY he won?!?!



TRanslation: HArriet and Donnie both seem to think that Barack should have known his place, and waited his turn.



And Harriet .... she sounds like she smokes Road flares and drinks Gin Ricky's




Hey...I smoke road flares and drink Gin Rickys. What are you trying to say? :waiting:



I thought it was Rita Cosby who smoked road flares? *helicopter*

Comment by Scoopster on 06/02/2008 14:43:10
Quote by starling310:

OMG...speaking of Fran Drescher, I had insomnia last night and was watching old episodes of Fame on hulu.com and did you all know that Fran was on it?!?!?

I was sitting there and said, out loud to myself, "Hey! That's Fran Drescher!"



aaaaanyway.....


Aieee.. young Fran Drescher in a bright teal leotard doing choreographed dance moves.



That's a mental image that's gonna stick with me all day, like gum on my shoe.

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 14:48:20
CNN International is doing a whole segment on how much money the Sex and the City movie made this weekend. It made $55 million which was still less than what Iron Man or Spider-Man 3 made on their opening weekends, but a strong opening weekend.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 14:49:35
Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.

Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.

Currently:

Raine: 30+

Comment by starling310 on 06/02/2008 14:49:40
Sorry Scoop! :shrug:

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 14:50:32
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Oh lord... they WAY he won?!?!



TRanslation: HArriet and Donnie both seem to think that Barack should have known his place, and waited his turn.



And Harriet .... she sounds like she smokes Road flares and drinks Gin Ricky's




Hey...I smoke road flares and drink Gin Rickys. What are you trying to say? :waiting:

I have been walking around the apartment talking like Harriet all morning!



Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 14:51:57
Everytime I hear Harriet, my balls crawl up inside my body cavity...

Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 14:53:27
Quote by Random:

Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.

Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.

Currently:

Raine: 30+


I say <10. I think most will declare on Tues night or Wed after the the last two primaries.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 14:53:39
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Oh lord... they WAY he won?!?!



TRanslation: HArriet and Donnie both seem to think that Barack should have known his place, and waited his turn.



And Harriet .... she sounds like she smokes Road flares and drinks Gin Ricky's




Hey...I smoke road flares and drink Gin Rickys. What are you trying to say? :waiting:



I thought it was Rita Cosby who smoked road flares? *helicopter*




That would explain a lot.



Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 14:56:13
Bush pep talk to Cabinet on Iraq: "We are going to wipe them out!"



So, can we declare Bush a war criminal now?



Let me briefly set the scene, as Sanchez tells it on pages 349-350 of Wiser in Battle. It's April 6, 2004. L. Paul Bremer III, head of the occupation's Coalition Provisional Authority, as well as the President's colonial viceroy in Baghdad, and Gen. Sanchez were in Iraq in video teleconference with the President, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. (Assumedly, the event was recorded and so revisitable by a note-taking Sanchez.) The first full-scale American offensive against the resistant Sunni city of Fallujah was just being launched, while, in Iraq's Shiite south, the U.S. military was preparing for a campaign against cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army militia.



According to Sanchez, Powell was talking tough that day: "We've got to smash somebody's ass quickly," the general reports him saying. "There has to be a total victory somewhere. We must have a brute demonstration of power." (And indeed, by the end of April, parts of Fallujah would be in ruins, as, by August, would expanses of the oldest parts of the holy Shiite city of Najaf. Sadr himself would, however, escape to fight another day; and, in order to declare Powell's "total victory," the U.S. military would have to return to Fallujah that November, after the U.S. presidential election, and reduce three-quarters of it to virtual rubble.) Bush then turned to the subject of al-Sadr: "At the end of this campaign al-Sadr must be gone," he insisted to his top advisors. "At a minimum, he will be arrested. It is essential he be wiped out."



Not long after that, the President "launched" what an evidently bewildered Sanchez politely describes as "a kind of confused pep talk regarding both Fallujah and our upcoming southern campaign [against the Mahdi Army]." Here then is that "pep talk." While you read it, try to imagine anything like it coming out of the mouth of any other American president, or anything not like it coming out of the mouth of any evil enemy leader in the films of the President's -- and my -- childhood:



"'Kick ass!' [Bush] said, echoing Colin Powell's tough talk. 'If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them! We must be tougher than hell! This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close. It is a mind-set. We can't send that message. It's an excuse to prepare us for withdrawal.



"There is a series of moments and this is one of them. Our will is being tested, but we are resolute. We have a better way. Stay strong! Stay the course! Kill them! Be confident! Prevail! We are going to wipe them out! We are not blinking!'"



Keep in mind that the bloodlusty rhetoric of this "pep talk" wasn't meant to rev up Marines heading into battle. These were the President's well-embunkered top advisors in a strategy session on the eve of major military offensives in Iraq. Evidently, however, the President was intent on imitating George C. Scott playing General George Patton -- or perhaps even inadvertently channeling one of the evil villains of his onscreen childhood.


Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 14:57:06
So far Obama has netted 2 delegates today.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 14:57:55
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.

Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.

Currently:

Raine: 30+


I say <10. I think most will declare on Tues night or Wed after the the last two primaries.






Today? I would go <5.

To me, it looks like those who haven't declared are waiting till all the cards are on the table. That should happen tomorrow.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 14:58:18
Quote by BobR:

Everytime I hear Harriet, my balls crawl up inside my body cavity...


:doh:



I think maybe I better stop tawlking like Harriet. :D

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 14:58:29
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.

Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.

Currently:

Raine: 30+


I say <10. I think most will declare on Tues night or Wed after the the last two primaries.


A few will indeed switch but I do suspect most won't announce until Tuesday's primaries are finished.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 14:59:13
Alrightie, new vote tallies.

Raine: 30+

BobR: <10





Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 15:02:44
Quote by Random:

Alrightie, new vote tallies.

Raine: 30+

BobR: <10







I said <5



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:04:58
Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 15:05:37
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Alrightie, new vote tallies.

Raine: 30+

BobR: <10







I said <5



I'm trying to keep as up to date as possible...sorry



Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 15:06:06
Quote by Raine:

Quote by BobR:

Everytime I hear Harriet, my balls crawl up inside my body cavity...


:doh:



I think maybe I better stop tawlking like Harriet. :D


There goes the romance.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:06:09
Went crazy with my predictions... I said 30.



Someone else can eat my hershey bar.





(that didn't sound right)







Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:07:27
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.

Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.

Currently:

Raine: 30+


I say <10. I think most will declare on Tues night or Wed after the the last two primaries.


A few will indeed switch but I do suspect most won't announce until Tuesday's primaries are finished.
There are plenty of undeclared SD's out there. No one needs to switch.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:08:08
:clap: good one Shane-O!

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 15:09:41
Quote by Raine:

Went crazy with my predictions... I said 30.



Someone else can eat my hershey bar.





(that didn't sound right)







I look at it this way, if no one wins, i get the chocolate bar...Which is of course a win for Random.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/02/2008 15:10:53
The video is more fun (I think):







And - 4F is credited on the final blue screen...

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 15:13:54
Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.

Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.

Currently:

Raine: 30+


I say <10. I think most will declare on Tues night or Wed after the the last two primaries.


A few will indeed switch but I do suspect most won't announce until Tuesday's primaries are finished.
There are plenty of undeclared SD's out there. No one needs to switch.



My bad. I meant to declare.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 15:14:01
Now i need to find a sight that'll watch who declares throughout the day.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 15:14:16
Love the Foo!

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:14:23
Clay Aiken?!?!? a father?!?!?

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 15:16:59
Quote by Raine:

Clay Aiken?!?!? a father?!?!?


Apparently via sperm in a cup. Doesn't exactly do much to squelch those rumors, though.

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 15:17:36
Were Clay Aiken and Lindsey Graham in the same closet?

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 15:18:14
Because i'm a bad boy, and this is an old article...so if someone made the joke, i'm sorry.

Why Hillary is 20 Million in debt.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:19:13
Quote by Random:

Now i need to find a sight that'll watch who declares throughout the day.


HEre you go Random!!! I present to you.... DemConWatch!

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:20:58
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:

Clay Aiken?!?!? a father?!?!?


Apparently via sperm in a cup. Doesn't exactly do much to squelch those rumors, though.
There is Something really uncomfortable using the words "Squelch" and "Sperm in a cup"....



:D



Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 15:21:18
FOR ALL OF OUR GA READERS:



Mark your calendars now. At long last we will get our first day in court. On Monday June 9 Todd Harding, with assistance from our lead counsel, Walker Chandler, will make an oral argument in support of his motion for Summary Judgment to remove the unverifiable voting machines throughout Georgia while the Defendants will argue to dismiss the suit. The arguments will take place at 9:00am in Fulton Co. Superior Court. Judge Johnson is the presiding judge. WE NEED YOU THERE. I am asking everyone who can make it to please come out and show that you support the lawsuit to restore the integrity of Georgia voting.



Please wear your VoterGa pins or other related badges of support. This is our chance to make an impression on the judge that we care. I would expect the oral arguments to run less than one hour.




Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 15:21:39
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Now i need to find a sight that'll watch who declares throughout the day.


HEre you go Random!!! I present to you.... DemConWatch!


thanks, how often do they update though?

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 15:22:10






Sheldon and Anita Drobny interviewd Jeff Sharlet a week ago Sunday on their program, The Cutting Edge, on Nova M Radio. If you go to yhr Cutting Edge podcast page you can download the interview.

Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 15:23:20
Quote by Raine:

There is Something really uncomfortable using the words "Squelch" and "Sperm in a cup"....



:D



"Squelch" is like one of those comic book sound effects....



:wank:



:: stroke stroke stroke stroke stroke stroke stroke *SQUELCH!* ::



... ahhhh.....



:rofl:

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:27:20
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Now i need to find a sight that'll watch who declares throughout the day.


HEre you go Random!!! I present to you.... DemConWatch!


thanks, how often do they update though?
I am pretty sure they update it whenever someone endorses.



Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 15:28:06
So Rice likes to Rock & Roll All Night?...



but does she party every day?

Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 15:28:54
:metal:

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 15:31:40
Current standings before Random leaves for like, half an hour.



Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5



with three supers declared: 2 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.

Remember, i said how many Supers, not how many for Obama.

Thanks you.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/02/2008 15:33:04
Hillary Clinton claims to have won the so-called popular vote, but if you pay close attention to her words she is now using a critical qualifier: "in presidential primaries."



So, with that in mind, Velveeta is ready to proudly proclaim, that she is the Smartest, Prettiest and Wealthiest of all the Four Freedom Bloggers, who are currently sitting on this couch.



All HAIL Velveeta!!





Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 15:34:48
Chris in Yankton! MGM :hug:

Comment by Shane-O on 06/02/2008 15:35:42
Was that Terry Jeffries?

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 15:36:05
Quote by BobR:

So Rice likes to Rock & Roll All Night?...



but does she party every day?




Only at shoe stores.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:37:13
Quote by BobR:

FOR ALL OF OUR GA READERS:



Mark your calendars now. At long last we will get our first day in court. On Monday June 9 Todd Harding, with assistance from our lead counsel, Walker Chandler, will make an oral argument in support of his motion for Summary Judgment to remove the unverifiable voting machines throughout Georgia while the Defendants will argue to dismiss the suit. The arguments will take place at 9:00am in Fulton Co. Superior Court. Judge Johnson is the presiding judge. WE NEED YOU THERE. I am asking everyone who can make it to please come out and show that you support the lawsuit to restore the integrity of Georgia voting.



Please wear your VoterGa pins or other related badges of support. This is our chance to make an impression on the judge that we care. I would expect the oral arguments to run less than one hour.


Clap: awesome! I think I will be going!



Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 15:39:05
Quote by velveeta jones:

Hillary Clinton claims to have won the so-called popular vote, but if you pay close attention to her words she is now using a critical qualifier: "in presidential primaries."



So, with that in mind, Velveeta is ready to proudly proclaim, that she is the Smartest, Prettiest and Wealthiest of all the Four Freedom Bloggers, who are currently sitting on this couch.



All HAIL Velveeta!!





you're special... :P



The parsing is yet another reason that I am beyond irritated by her campaign. She's trying to exclude the caucus states, the "undeclared" votes in MI, and INCLUDE the votes in FL where Obama wasn't on the ballot.



Sorry Ms. Clinton: That's not how we pick a candidate in the Democratic party.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:39:19
Quote by velveeta jones:

Hillary Clinton claims to have won the so-called popular vote, but if you pay close attention to her words she is now using a critical qualifier: "in presidential primaries."



So, with that in mind, Velveeta is ready to proudly proclaim, that she is the Smartest, Prettiest and Wealthiest of all the Four Freedom Bloggers, who are currently sitting on this couch.



All HAIL Velveeta!!



:rofl:





I am wondering, what about...

Alaska

Colorado

Hawaii

Idaho

Iowa

Kansas

Maine

Minnesota

Nebraska

Nevada

North Dakota

Texas (Caucus only)

Washington

Wyoming....



What about those states?



Comment by velveeta jones on 06/02/2008 15:40:08
Quote by wickedpam:

Chris in Yankton! MGM :hug:




That was MGM? Cool!

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:41:38
Quote by wickedpam:

Chris in Yankton! MGM :hug:


I heard it too!

Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 15:43:59
Love the Barefoot Contessa and to some extent Paula Dean (but she does grate on my last nerve sometimes)

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 15:49:31
Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by wickedpam:

Chris in Yankton! MGM :hug:




That was MGM? Cool!


Damn, I missed it. What did he say?

Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 15:50:26
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by wickedpam:

Chris in Yankton! MGM :hug:




That was MGM? Cool!


Damn, I missed it. What did he say?




Steph just read an email.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:52:04
From the NYT:

“I’ve been closing very strongly since Feb. 20,” she said, referring to the day after Mr. Obama won Hawaii and Wisconsin. “I have won more votes and won more states than Senator Obama. All the independent analyses break in my direction. A lot of the key states that we have to win, I win those states.”


So Now she is not only not counting the caucus states, it seems she is not counting the states BEFORE february 20th.



I feel disenfranchised. :sarcasm:



Comment by starling310 on 06/02/2008 15:54:29
Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 15:54:57
BTW, HRC has won 19 states to Obama's 33.



if you want all votes to be counted, you need to remember that we have 50 states.

Comment by starling310 on 06/02/2008 15:56:44
OY! What am I doing wrong on posting a video???





Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 15:58:36
Quote by Raine:

From the NYT:

“I’ve been closing very strongly since Feb. 20,” she said, referring to the day after Mr. Obama won Hawaii and Wisconsin. “I have won more votes and won more states than Senator Obama. All the independent analyses break in my direction. A lot of the key states that we have to win, I win those states.”


So Now she is not only not counting the caucus states, it seems she is not counting the states BEFORE february 20th.



I feel disenfranchised. :sarcasm:



Shillary only counts the states and territories that she won as being part of the United States, All the primaries and caucuses that Obama won are in places that are UnAmerican.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:02:34
Quote by starling310:

OY! What am I doing wrong on posting a video???



I went to check the link, this is what I got: http://www.applian.com/flvplayer/liveleak.php



Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 16:03:33
Quote by starling310:

OY! What am I doing wrong on posting a video???





For now, I changed it to a link. Your URL was to a web page, not a YouTube video.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:03:43
:cry: Bo Diddley has went away.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 16:05:44
Quote by Raine:

Quote by velveeta jones:

Hillary Clinton claims to have won the so-called popular vote, but if you pay close attention to her words she is now using a critical qualifier: "in presidential primaries."



So, with that in mind, Velveeta is ready to proudly proclaim, that she is the Smartest, Prettiest and Wealthiest of all the Four Freedom Bloggers, who are currently sitting on this couch.



All HAIL Velveeta!!



:rofl:





I am wondering, what about...

Alaska

Colorado

Hawaii

Idaho

Iowa

Kansas

Maine

Minnesota

Nebraska

Nevada

North Dakota

Texas (Caucus only)

Washington

Wyoming....



What about those states?







I guess this depends on what the definition of is is.



If Hillary Clinton keeps on moving the goal posts, they will soon be located somewhere on a distant planet that's a gas giant.





http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/Hastert.jpg




I said gas giant, not a gassy giant like Dennis Hastert. A gas giant like Jupiter.



http://phys-sun-1.phys.boun.edu.tr/~semiz/universe/near/12ext/Jupiter.jpg


Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:10:53
Will, :rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 16:12:37
So, with the title of Buchanan's new book. It sounds like he believes WWII was a bad idea.



Hitler was just misunderstood.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 16:13:36
Quote by Raine:

Will, :rofl:






I used a similar joke to great effect over at UNN and I have lots of fun with the Denny Hastert icon and sound effects over at Democracy Interactive.



I do have to give Dennis Hastert some credit. He is one of the few people who can show up at McDonald's and make them change their sign about how many billions have been served.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:23:26
Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:24:05
:thud: Buchanan is scaring me.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 16:25:05
Raine, I gave the blog a shout out at UNN in the thread: US rending terror suspects on prison ships.





Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:25:38
And it was already updated at DemConWatch... They are pretty quick!

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/02/2008 16:34:49
Happy Mondee!



I would like to recommend last weeks episode of "This American Life." You can listen to it online at their website. It is about the first trial for alleged terrorists after 9/11. Very interesting. Very disturbing.



King Kong torched. Tatum O'Neal busted for buying crack. The Lakers in the NBA final. Let's just say the food poisoning I had yesterday was the bright spot.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 16:36:07
DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.



Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5



with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.

Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 16:40:50
Quote by IzzyBitz:

Happy Mondee!



I would like to recommend last weeks episode of "This American Life." You can listen to it online at their website. It is about the first trial for alleged terrorists after 9/11. Very interesting. Very disturbing.



King Kong torched. Tatum O'Neal busted for buying crack. The Lakers in the NBA final. Let's just say the food poisoning I had yesterday was the bright spot.


Further proof that LA is a fun place to live?

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 16:42:12
Quote by Random:

DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.



Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5



with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.

Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.


Sorry, that's 3.5 supers declared: 2.5 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:42:13
Quote by IzzyBitz:

Happy Mondee!



I would like to recommend last weeks episode of "This American Life." You can listen to it online at their website. It is about the first trial for alleged terrorists after 9/11. Very interesting. Very disturbing.



King Kong torched. Tatum O'Neal busted for buying crack. The Lakers in the NBA final. Let's just say the food poisoning I had yesterday was the bright spot.
::: screeching tires ::: Tatum got busted for CRACK?!?!?!



:wacko:



Oh and good on the Lakers and the Celtics. it makes me feel like the world is starting to get just a tiny bit back to normal.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:43:16
Quote by will in chicago:

Raine, I gave the blog a shout out at UNN in the thread: US rending terror suspects on prison ships.



Thanks Will!



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:45:20
Quote by Random:

Quote by Random:

DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.



Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5



with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.

Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.


Sorry, that's 3.5 supers declared: 2.5 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Are the Michigan Delegates counted as Half?



:scratchead:



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:47:05
I got stung by something and now my finger is blowing up like a balloon...



I used my benadryl spray and took a benadryl pill to be safe. but DAYM...

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 16:49:30
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Random:

DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.



Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5



with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.

Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.


Sorry, that's 3.5 supers declared: 2.5 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Are the Michigan Delegates counted as Half?



:scratchead:



Aparently, that's what DemConWatch is saying, So far today Obama has 2.5 superdelegate votes to Clinton's 1, so that makes 3.5 or my math is really bad.

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/02/2008 16:51:39
The Lying Sack of Cute is talking about Puffy's book on C-SPAN2. Me thinks one of her hands looks like this.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:53:26
Comment by Scoopster on 06/02/2008 16:55:01
Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 16:55:20
I keep getting 502 server errors from the google today... it is happening to a few of the sites that I go to, including Demconwatch

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 16:59:24
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Random:

DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.



Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5



with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.

Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.


Sorry, that's 3.5 supers declared: 2.5 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Are the Michigan Delegates counted as Half?



:scratchead:



Based on the outcome of Saturday's meeting I would guess so. Same with any FL delegates.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 17:00:27
Ahh I see, Random. Before it was stating that it was 3 to 1 and now that number has been corrected.

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/02/2008 17:01:15
Never a dull moment Livin!



Raine, Tatum was busted over the weekend. She told the police she was doing research for an upcoming role. Oh, dear. I guess all of her years as an addict didn't sink in?! The cops got a good laugh out of that one. :rolleyes:



I don't like the Lakers. They treated Shaq like crap and they are dead to me. Dead I tell ya! (Kobe)

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 17:01:25
My bad for misunderstanding about Michigan... Raine apologizes

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:01:49
Quote by Raine:

I keep getting 502 server errors from the google today... it is happening to a few of the sites that I go to, including Demconwatch


Random Sad.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:03:00
Random is the official Super Tracker of today.

Comment by PatM on 06/02/2008 17:05:57
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Random:

DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.



Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5



with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.

Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.


Sorry, that's 3.5 supers declared: 2.5 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Are the Michigan Delegates counted as Half?



:scratchead:



Based on the outcome of Saturday's meeting I would guess so. Same with any FL delegates.


Forgive me. You all had mentioned earlier a website that was posting these numbers. What was it?



Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:06:45
yay DemConWatch is back up.

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/02/2008 17:12:46
My last post went kooky, at least on my computer. Izzy apologizes for all the blank space, but I don't know what happened.



I blame Google.

Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 17:13:18
Quote by PatM:



Forgive me. You all had mentioned earlier a website that was posting these numbers. What was it?



DemConWatch



And welcome to our little corner of the internets!!

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 17:15:07
Quote by PatM:



Forgive me. You all had mentioned earlier a website that was posting these numbers. What was it?

MAy I first formally welcome you to das bloggie Pat?





And here is the Link to DemConWatch.



Goggle is acting funky today so it seems like it is up and down.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:16:24
And so we Wait, with Al Wynn resigning, does this make the total go down?

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 17:16:45
Quote by Random:

Random is the official Super Tracker of today.
Yay!



Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/02/2008 17:21:40
Keep on Trackin' Random!



I was so disgusted by the behavior of "democrats" on Saturday. I hope this is over tomorrow, but I don't know if Hillary's ego will allow for this to happen without a fight at the convention.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 17:22:31
Quote by Random:

And so we Wait, with Al Wynn resigning, does this make the total go down?




* Also note, Maryland's Al Wynn's resignation takes effect this weekend. That means technically the number drops to 2,117 for at least a couple of weeks until Donna Edwards likely fills his seat. We contacted the DNC to see if it would reduce their number. They are not, so we will keep the number at 2,118, which is what it will eventually be at convention. Donna Edwards is expected to be an Obama supporter, but until that is official, we are leaving her off Obama's list, as have others.
It seems not.

From MSNBC on Sunday.

Comment by PatM on 06/02/2008 17:23:12
Quote by Raine:

Quote by PatM:



Forgive me. You all had mentioned earlier a website that was posting these numbers. What was it?

MAy I first formally welcome you to das bloggie Pat?





And here is the Link to DemConWatch.



Goggle is acting funky today so it seems like it is up and down.




Thank you, Raine. Thank you, BobR. Got tired of opining to a blank wall. Figured blogging might be a bit more constructive. At least I wouldn't get weird looks. Well, maybe fewer weird looks.



Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:27:02
Quote by PatM:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by PatM:



Forgive me. You all had mentioned earlier a website that was posting these numbers. What was it?

MAy I first formally welcome you to das bloggie Pat?





And here is the Link to DemConWatch.



Goggle is acting funky today so it seems like it is up and down.




Thank you, Raine. Thank you, BobR. Got tired of opining to a blank wall. Figured blogging might be a bit more constructive. At least I wouldn't get weird looks. Well, maybe fewer weird looks.



Random Welcomes and...something....something...

Random no good at welcomes.



Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:28:39
Quote by IzzyBitz:

Keep on Trackin' Random!



I was so disgusted by the behavior of "democrats" on Saturday. I hope this is over tomorrow, but I don't know if Hillary's ego will allow for this to happen without a fight at the convention.




Well, feel free to place a bet...we've got new vote totals



Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5



with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.



Yes, another half delegate has declared for Obama.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:30:32
As well, i feel i should mention that Irene Stein may endorse Clinton, but no official announcement shall be made, so we won't add her as of yet.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:32:51
Quote by Random:

As well, i feel i should mention that Irene Stein may endorse Clinton, but no official announcement shall be made, so we won't add her as of yet.


Damn it...soon as it gets out my mouth, it's apparently official.

New total too...



that's 3 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton

making the total of 5 votes together with 6 supers declared.

I'm starting to think Raine might actually win O.o

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 17:35:52
http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/450/ss2873_450.jpeg


Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:37:12
O.o four straight posts...



Comment by PatM on 06/02/2008 17:41:36
Quote by IzzyBitz:

Keep on Trackin' Random!



I was so disgusted by the behavior of "democrats" on Saturday. I hope this is over tomorrow, but I don't know if Hillary's ego will allow for this to happen without a fight at the convention.




I shall assume you're talking about the "democrats" in the audience. Not only did I find their behavior disgusting, as you said, but I was also embarrassed. (And that has something do to with me being in the same demographics as some of the more highly vocal audience members.) Their apparent lack of knowledge about the process going on before them was . . . was . . . was irresponsible.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 17:43:36
Quote by Random:

O.o four straight posts...

you have officially made a blog Muse!



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 17:45:50
Quote by PatM:

I shall assume you're talking about the "democrats" in the audience. Not only did I find their behavior disgusting, as you said, but I was also embarrassed. (And that has something do to with me being in the same demographics as some of the more highly vocal audience members.) Their apparent lack of knowledge about the process going on before them was . . . was . . . was irresponsible.



I contend that those were NOT democrats. That was embarrassing, especially it being aired on TV>



Sometimes, I think it is best to let the family fight in private.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 17:48:59
Quote by Raine:

Quote by PatM:

I shall assume you're talking about the "democrats" in the audience. Not only did I find their behavior disgusting, as you said, but I was also embarrassed. (And that has something do to with me being in the same demographics as some of the more highly vocal audience members.) Their apparent lack of knowledge about the process going on before them was . . . was . . . was irresponsible.



I contend that those were NOT democrats. That was embarrassing, especially it being aired on TV>



Sometimes, I think it is best to let the family fight in private.


Times like these where i'm kind of glad i'm not a democrat.

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/02/2008 18:01:25
It's Pat! Welcome.



I don't think all of the "democrats" were democrats, but I think some of them were the fringe crazy. They scare me, but I think the imposters, who were probably the more vocal and disruptive, did the most harm by making the party look pathetic and foolish. Mission accomplished, unfortunately.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 18:02:15
So who is listening to what today on the radio machines?

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/02/2008 18:05:08
Oh, I'll take 7, Random. It's lucky in Vegas, so...

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/02/2008 18:10:05
Nice Keep on Truckin' poster Raine!



I'll be listening to Rachel later. Hope she isn't too pooped from her long weekend duty at MSNBC. On the Sirius machine right now.



Comment by Scoopster on 06/02/2008 18:11:06
No radio for me today.. I've been digging through my CD collection lately and even upgrading it a bit.



Got the new Rush CD "Snakes & Arrows".. excellent as always from these guys, plus I did detect a very distinct protest-theme to Neil Peart's lyrics.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 18:13:20
I am looking forward to listening to Randi today. And then, as always, getting irratated with her...

Comment by PatM on 06/02/2008 18:14:21
But back to superdelegates. To all those screaming that Saturday's process was unfair and undemocratic, would they consider it fair and democratic if the superdelegate for your district/state voted for the candidate that did NOT win the majority of votes?

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 18:17:15
Quote by IzzyBitz:

It's Pat! Welcome.



I don't think all of the "democrats" were democrats, but I think some of them were the fringe crazy. They scare me, but I think the imposters, who were probably the more vocal and disruptive, did the most harm by making the party look pathetic and foolish. Mission accomplished, unfortunately.


I wonder if any came over on behalf of Rush's "Operation Chaos" those people are good at the Brooks Brothers riots.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 18:17:28


Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5

Izzy: 7



that's 4.5 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton

making the total of 5.5 votes together with 7 supers declared.



Along with two Edwards florida delegates have gone to Obama (equalling a vote) and Clyburn to declare tomorrow.



Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 18:18:22
And welcome aboard, PatM to our little corner of the internets.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/02/2008 18:19:40
I have some errands to run, so let me see it has ben great blogging with everyone today. I will try to swing by later.

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 18:27:19
Quote by IzzyBitz:

Never a dull moment Livin!



I don't like the Lakers. They treated Shaq like crap and they are dead to me. Dead I tell ya! (Kobe)


It's not like Shaq helped the Heat get out of the cellar this season. I guess the only consolation was the Heat were the only team that could make the Knicks look good.



I have to laugh at the celebrities who pay small fortunes for those courtside seats at Madison Square Garden.

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 18:32:10
Headline News is reporting that Ted Kennedy is out of surgery and the doctors are saying they have accomplished their goals.



Hope it's a good sign.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/02/2008 18:40:25
Comment by Scoopster on 06/02/2008 18:44:33
Quote by livingonli:

Headline News is reporting that Ted Kennedy is out of surgery and the doctors are saying they have accomplished their goals.



Hope it's a good sign.


I have a question.. when they first announced that he had the tumor they mentioned that it was inoperable (and most likely terminal). Did they mention whether this surgery today was to try to remove it, or was it more exploratory to get a better understanding of how severe the tumor is?

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 18:52:40
I'm listening to the hour of Steph I missed when I was still asleep.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/02/2008 18:54:28
Quote by Random:

Quote by IzzyBitz:

Oh, I'll take 7, Random. It's lucky in Vegas, so...




Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5

Izzy: 7



that's 3 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton

making the total of 5 votes together with 6 supers declared.







I'm out then



Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 18:55:35
That previous caller to Thom Hartmann said that Clinton's been treated with a disgusting level of "sexism". I would like some concrete examples of this. Where has her gender been used against her?

Comment by BobR on 06/02/2008 18:58:15
Quote by BobR:



DemConWatch



And welcome to our little corner of the internets!!




Quote by livingonli:

And welcome aboard, PatM to our little corner of the internets.


copycat! :P



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 18:58:47
Quote by PatM:

But back to superdelegates. To all those screaming that Saturday's process was unfair and undemocratic, would they consider it fair and democratic if the superdelegate for your district/state voted for the candidate that did NOT win the majority of votes?
Personaly my opinion is that elected people who are delegates ought to follow the will of their district. many people will disagree with me. As to the SD's that do not hold elected office, that choice is up to them.



We had an interesting thing happen here super tuesday, my representative, John Lewis originally endorsed HRC... after Super Tuesday, he switched his support. Fulton County, Georgia went very heavily towards Barack Obama.



I believe he was the first person to do so. HE said that he felt it was important for him to represent his constituency first. I was very glad he did that.





Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 19:09:24
Oh, man... Randi played the whole crazy harriet tirade.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 19:13:00
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by livingonli:

Headline News is reporting that Ted Kennedy is out of surgery and the doctors are saying they have accomplished their goals.



Hope it's a good sign.


I have a question.. when they first announced that he had the tumor they mentioned that it was inoperable (and most likely terminal). Did they mention whether this surgery today was to try to remove it, or was it more exploratory to get a better understanding of how severe the tumor is?
I believe that are trying to remove a portion of the tumour.



IT is inoperable, meaning thaty will not be able to remove the whole thing.



That has been my understanding. After this treatment I think he will begin to receive radiation.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 19:14:29
I wish that Randi would not say that these are democrats.



They are not. I denounce and reject them and thier behaviour.

Comment by MMB on 06/02/2008 19:17:50
I heard on the TV that Sen. Kennedy would be going through a course of Chemo and then Radiation.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 19:28:37
Oh boy... Did Randi just miss her hard break?!?!

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 19:44:08
Quote by Raine:

Oh boy... Did Randi just miss her hard break?!?!


Sure sounded like it.



And summer is officially here. It is 85 degrees and humid. <--- sweat

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 19:46:42
What was McCauliffe thinking?!?!



There is more video at the link, but I was able to find this one on the youtubes:





:rofl:



What is it with these people and the cocktails!?!? :D

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 20:01:02
Time to head off to the salt mine.

Comment by PatM on 06/02/2008 20:01:26
Quote by BobR:

That previous caller to Thom Hartmann said that Clinton's been treated with a disgusting level of "sexism". I would like some concrete examples of this. Where has her gender been used against her?




It doesn't supply as many specific examples as I would like but this article does address some.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4889014&page=1



I'm not saying I agree with it . . .



In reading between some of the lines, I'm still seeing the contention that she should be the winner and the nominee simply because she is a woman. Both she and her supporters are using the gender card both ways.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 20:02:22
Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5

Izzy: 7



that's 3.5 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton

making the total of 5.5 votes together with 7 supers declared.



if anyone wishes to change there bet, feel free too, i'll keep it all nice an open before around 8 pm Eastern.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 20:03:01
The AP is reporting that the tumor has been successfully removed from senator Kennedy. This is very good news, indeed.



Now hopefully they can slow the spread of the cancer. :(

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 20:04:45
Quote by Random:

Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5

Izzy: 7



that's 3.5 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton

making the total of 5.5 votes together with 7 supers declared.



if anyone wishes to change there bet, feel free too, i'll keep it all nice an open before around 8 pm Eastern.
I suppose it would be cheating if I changed mine to less than thrty, huh? :P



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 20:11:57
Randi just made a great point, regarding the people claiming sexism, and saying that they would rather vote for McCain...



McCain called his wife a c*nt. They would rather vote for that, and thus EXCUSE that then vote for Barack Obama?



That isn't exactly supporting feminism, is it? Not to mention, MCCain will take choice away... So yeah, I am more and more convinced that these people are NOT democrats.







Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 20:16:36
Quote by PatM:

Quote by BobR:

That previous caller to Thom Hartmann said that Clinton's been treated with a disgusting level of "sexism". I would like some concrete examples of this. Where has her gender been used against her?




It doesn't supply as many specific examples as I would like but this article does address some.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4889014&page=1



I'm not saying I agree with it . . .



In reading between some of the lines, I'm still seeing the contention that she should be the winner and the nominee simply because she is a woman. Both she and her supporters are using the gender card both ways.
Good point. I think that the HRC campaign needs to make this a lot more specific tho.



There are a lot of people who somehow have decided to morph this into a Obama problem.



Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 20:20:02
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5

Izzy: 7



that's 3.5 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton

making the total of 5.5 votes together with 7 supers declared.



if anyone wishes to change there bet, feel free too, i'll keep it all nice an open before around 8 pm Eastern.
I suppose it would be cheating if I changed mine to less than thrty, huh? :P



eh, only if you go below 15+ is it cheating.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 20:39:18
I am making Random the official Bookie of 4F!

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 20:44:12
http://www.crasscommerce.com/images/art/apparel/125-McCain-Nope.jpg


Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 20:45:59
HEya, Izzy, I dunna know if you are around, but I wanted to tell you that we have a possible new dog as a member of our little family. We are giving it a week to see if it fells good for her and us. Her name is Kizzie, and I keep calling her Izzy!



Trust me, it's a good thing!

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 20:55:52
not sure if everyone has been hearing the buzz today, but it does seem as tho Senator Clinton WILL be suspending her campaign tommorrow night.



I have been keeping my ears to the ground in many of my usual places... there are rumors that she has been placing calls to her superdelegates and informing them of the decision.



That, coupled with the published stories that she is letting go of some of her staff, and she is gathering her donors together in NYC... I think tomorrow may be a big day.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 21:21:22
Quote by Raine:

I am making Random the official Bookie of 4F!


Great, now that it's official, I'll be taking wagers on how many Supers will declare tomorrow, and of course point difference in South Dakota and...Whatever hell the last state is, i'm still in a nap state of mind.

Give me a minute, and i'll post official rules and spreads.

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 21:30:41
I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.



I wonder if Hillary is finally realizing that the writing is on the wall and that her campaign is pretty much finished. The only thing is that she might still start a floor debate over the rules but any further attempts by her to drag it out could very well shoot down her political career and maybe she finally realizes that.



But the Harriets and SMH's of the world will continue to drag it out and spew their bullshit.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 21:32:34
Almost evident of my uses, i dunno all the techincal terms of being a bookie, so sue me. That beside the point, i'll learn on the job, so here's our numbers, get'em while they're hot.

For tomorrow folks.



Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10:

10-15:

15-20:

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



And just for kicks...

Hillary "Suspends" campaign

Yes:

No:

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 21:43:11


Joe LIEberman must be so proud.



I got this from Politico.

Stunning stuff. A possible DefSec thought recognizing Israel was a bad idea.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 21:56:10
Quote by Random:

Almost evident of my uses, i dunno all the techincal terms of being a bookie, so sue me. That beside the point, i'll learn on the job, so here's our numbers, get'em while they're hot.

For tomorrow folks.



Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10:

10-15:

15-20:

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



And just for kicks...

Hillary "Suspends" campaign

Yes:

No:
I made a new poll, Random! I tried to give props!



Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 22:02:23
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Almost evident of my uses, i dunno all the techincal terms of being a bookie, so sue me. That beside the point, i'll learn on the job, so here's our numbers, get'em while they're hot.

For tomorrow folks.



Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10:

10-15:

15-20:

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



And just for kicks...

Hillary "Suspends" campaign

Yes:

No:
I made a new poll, Random! I tried to give props!





cool, Random gettin famous.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 22:10:03
Quote by Random:

Almost evident of my uses, i dunno all the techincal terms of being a bookie, so sue me. That beside the point, i'll learn on the job, so here's our numbers, get'em while they're hot.

For tomorrow folks.



Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10:

10-15:

15-20:

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



And just for kicks...

Hillary "Suspends" campaign

Yes:

No:
ok. Regarding Montana: I am going with Obama, at a 15+ point difference.



I am thinking South Dakota will be far closer to a 50-50 split. I think Obama will win that state, tho. So I guess I am picking a 3-4 point split. I am tempted to go with 5-6... But I am sticking with 3-4 points.



My bet is placed.



Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 22:16:43
Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10:

10-15:

15-20:

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



No bet for how many Supers declare tomorrow Raine?

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 22:21:26
Quote by livingonli:

I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.



I wonder if Hillary is finally realizing that the writing is on the wall and that her campaign is pretty much finished. The only thing is that she might still start a floor debate over the rules but any further attempts by her to drag it out could very well shoot down her political career and maybe she finally realizes that.



But the Harriets and SMH's of the world will continue to drag it out and spew their bullshit.
I think she has seen the writing for a while.



What i am waiting to see, is how much she is askng for --- monetarily -- for people to ask her to leave. It is very important to remember that she has been in serious debt for a long time.



And, I think she wants a check. The math has not added up for a while. anyone with simple skills could have seen that. she is looking for some help to pay off those campaign debts.



It isn't like this is unheard of, you know. Chris Dodd sent me an email asking him to do the same...and I never dropped him a penny.





Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 22:29:26
Quote by livingonli:

I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.





ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 22:29:50
For the Super delegations, are you wondering how many will declare on Tuesday itself or how many once the results are in?



As for the primaries, I am going a little conservative.



Montana: Obama 11-15

South Dakota: Obama 1-2



The only variable might be if Operation Chaos is at work (unless these are closed primaries).



And I will check some items before I make a guess about what Hillary will do. Hopefully, she will take the opportunity to gracefully bow out of the race.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 22:34:11
Yes, liv, how many declare tomorrow as a whole, and probably mid-day i'll put up numbers for the rest of the week.



Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10:

10-15:

15-20:

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):livingonli

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 22:34:54
Hmm... the SD's for tomorrow? daym, I made a bad bet today. eternal hopefulness, I suppose.



As far as tuesday, I suspect we will see 10 before the polls close. (over/under of 3 points)So you are making it rough on me.



Screw it, I am going with 7-10.



Did I make all bets?



Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 22:35:23
It's a good thing I don't bet on sports. I know in some of the Vegas sports betting areas, they will bet on anything in a game.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 22:40:41
That's all the bets for you Raine.

I'm kind of suprised how fun this is for me. Is it illegal for me to place bets as well?



Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10: Raine

10-15:

15-20:

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):





Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 22:45:15
Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.





ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
Come on liv... be a cool kid!~ :rofl:



You know I am just joshing. I would really like to see what you think is gonna happen. It' s not like we REALLY have to worry about it here, you know.



Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 22:47:59
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.





ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
Come on liv... be a cool kid!~ :rofl:



You know I am just joshing. I would really like to see what you think is gonna happen. It' s not like we REALLY have to worry about it here, you know.





Come on, be cool man, take a hit.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 22:49:59
Quote by Random:

That's all the bets for you Raine.

I'm kind of suprised how fun this is for me. Is it illegal for me to place bets as well?



I think you can. you made the bet's fair.



Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 22:52:18
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.





ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
Come on liv... be a cool kid!~ :rofl:



You know I am just joshing. I would really like to see what you think is gonna happen. It' s not like we REALLY have to worry about it here, you know.





Come on, be cool man, take a hit.


Hope you got the primo chronic there



Maybe that will help me deduce the power of the SD numbers. I stand by my primary calls.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 22:52:43
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

That's all the bets for you Raine.

I'm kind of suprised how fun this is for me. Is it illegal for me to place bets as well?



I think you can. you made the bet's fair.



ahh, thanks for that.

And ohhh, Chuck todd live web chat tomorrow.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 23:04:07
Quote by livingonli:

For the Super delegations, are you wondering how many will declare on Tuesday itself or how many once the results are in?



As for the primaries, I am going a little conservative.



Montana: Obama 11-15

South Dakota: Obama 1-2



The only variable might be if Operation Chaos is at work (unless these are closed primaries).



And I will check some items before I make a guess about what Hillary will do. Hopefully, she will take the opportunity to gracefully bow out of the race.
Fair enough... :hug:



SO how about everyone else? (Random, I think many are gone for the day, so I hope you post this all again in the AM.)







Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 23:06:18
Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:

For the Super delegations, are you wondering how many will declare on Tuesday itself or how many once the results are in?



As for the primaries, I am going a little conservative.



Montana: Obama 11-15

South Dakota: Obama 1-2



The only variable might be if Operation Chaos is at work (unless these are closed primaries).



And I will check some items before I make a guess about what Hillary will do. Hopefully, she will take the opportunity to gracefully bow out of the race.
Fair enough... :hug:



SO how about everyone else? (Random, I think many are gone for the day, so I hope you post this all again in the AM.)





Pretty sure, but i think a few will pop in throughout the night.

And i'm trying to figure out the best numbers to go by.



Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 23:08:23
Quote by Random:

That's all the bets for you Raine.

I'm kind of suprised how fun this is for me. Is it illegal for me to place bets as well?



Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10: Raine

10-15:

15-20:

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



I think this is awesome.







Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 23:09:33
Random has decided on SD's at a 10-15, Montana with liv, South Dakota with Raine.



Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10: Raine

10-15: Random

15-20:

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli, Random

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine, Random

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):







Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 23:16:16
Raine: 30+

BobR: <10

Pam: <5

Izzy: 7



that's 4.5 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton

making the total of 5.5 votes together with 7 supers declared.



Along with two Edwards florida delegates have gone to Obama (equalling a vote) and Clyburn to declare tomorrow.

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 23:16:57
South Dakota Primary Fact Box:



* Voting ends at 7 p.m. MDT/9 p.m. EDT, with results expected shortly after. The primary is closed -- registered Republicans and independents may not cast ballots in the Democratic contest. Obama, who won earlier contests in neighboring states, is expected to do well.



* Republican presidential candidates have carried South Dakota in every election since 1964, though Democrats are competitive in congressional elections.



* Farming and ranching loom large in this thinly settled state, but banking and small business have emerged as important economic sectors in recent decades, thanks to South Dakota's lack of corporate or personal income taxes. While rural areas empty out, suburban Lincoln County has recorded one of the nation's highest growth rates this decade.



* Native Americans, including the Lakota Sioux descendants of Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, make up 8 percent of South Dakota's population, a higher percentage than any other U.S. state except New Mexico and Alaska.
Closed Primary for SD. 8% are Native Americans... This could be an interesting exit poll demographic.



I have actually heard rumours that SD may go blue. in the GE.



I shit you not. The farm bill is a big indicator.

Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 23:22:19
Hopefully mgm's doing his part to make South Dakota blue.



I have to e-mail him. I haven't talked to him since the AAP blog died.

Comment by Random on 06/02/2008 23:24:57
Anyway i can get Stephanie to mention our lil bet spread on the air?

Comment by Raine on 06/02/2008 23:29:46
A little info about Montana:



3 Things You Didn't Know About Montana Primaries and Elections



1. Since 2006, Montana has allowed residents to become permanent absentee voters by registering once. Before sending out ballots, the Montana elections office sends letters to absentee voters to verify their addresses.



2. In the past 40 years only one Democrat, Bill Clinton, has won the Montana presidential contest.





The total number of registered voters in Montana has almost tripled since the 1920 general election. In the 2004 general election there were 638,474 registered voters; only 261,257 were registered to vote in the general election of 1920. Over that same time span the percentage of registered voters who have cast ballots has fluctuated between 53 percent and 86.4 percent.

======================



Has anyone been paying to the people who have been moving to Montana?

They are not republicans. I can tell you that. They are boomers... Boomers who like to save the environment... aka, hippy dudes and dudettes.



Montana is becoming a Blue State.





Comment by livingonli on 06/02/2008 23:39:46
The Western states have generally been red because they tend to be more in the Libertarian camp than the corporatist/Religious Conservative molds that are more common in the GOP which means a lot of them really hate Bush.

Comment by AuntAzalea on 06/02/2008 23:59:18
Great blog Raine- though very chilling- I keep thinking of when I got to see the "Tall Ships" sail down the Hudson River in 1976 - It was in honor of 1776 I believe.

Well we all sure won't be seeing these ships sailing down the Hudson being cheered on by hundreds of waving people. Unless I guess they have finally come to round everyone up.

I am glad it looks like Ted Kennedy has come through the surgery today. What a fighter.



Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 00:10:10
Quote by AuntAzalea:

Great blog Raine- though very chilling- I keep thinking of when I got to see the "Tall Ships" sail down the Hudson River in 1976 - It was in honor of 1776 I believe.

Well we all sure won't be seeing these ships sailing down the Hudson being cheered on by hundreds of waving people. Unless I guess they have finally come to round everyone up.

I am glad it looks like Ted Kennedy has come through the surgery today. What a fighter.





I dun know you....



Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/03/2008 00:16:41
Quote by Raine:

HEya, Izzy, I dunna know if you are around, but I wanted to tell you that we have a possible new dog as a member of our little family. We are giving it a week to see if it fells good for her and us. Her name is Kizzie, and I keep calling her Izzy!



Trust me, it's a good thing!




Yay! A puppy will make the primary season a happier place! Can we see a picture of K(Izzy)?

Comment by AuntAzalea on 06/03/2008 00:22:30
Hi Random- I am the lurking Mrs. VJ

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 00:26:14
Quote by AuntAzalea:

Hi Random- I am the lurking Mrs. VJ


O.o you mean Velveeta?

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/03/2008 00:27:48
That's supposed to be a smiley face down there. My emoticons are wacky today!



My picks are Supers Declaring 15-20, Montana 15+ and South Dakota 7-10.



With all of this gambling, I best take a laptop and a pitcher of margaritas to the pool and play some Latin music. When the coppers come a banging on the door, I can say I'm floating on international waters.

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 00:37:24
I'm assuming Izzy, both those stats fall in favor of Obama, not Clinton.



Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10: Raine

10-15: Random

15-20: IzzyBitz

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli, Random

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine, IzzyBitz

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine, Random

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama): IzzyBitz

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



Comment by TriSec on 06/03/2008 00:53:42
Evening, folks.



Tonight's TriSec Tip:



When microwaving frozen hot dog rolls in the bag, don't forget to remove the twist-tie.



Also, molten hot dog roll bag plastic causes almost instantaneous second-degree burns.



Film at 11.





Comment by m-hadley on 06/03/2008 00:55:09
Quote by IzzyBitz:

Quote by Raine:

HEya, Izzy, I dunna know if you are around, but I wanted to tell you that we have a possible new dog as a member of our little family. We are giving it a week to see if it fells good for her and us. Her name is Kizzie, and I keep calling her Izzy!



Trust me, it's a good thing!




Yay! A puppy will make the primary season a happier place! Can we see a picture of K(Izzy)?




Yeah! I would love to see a photo of Kizzie :)

Send one soon, please :D

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 01:04:58
More people have arrived, WElcome Tri-sec.

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 01:08:21
Quote by IzzyBitz:

That's supposed to be a smiley face down there. My emoticons are wacky today!



My picks are Supers Declaring 15-20, Montana 15+ and South Dakota 7-10.



With all of this gambling, I best take a laptop and a pitcher of margaritas to the pool and play some Latin music. When the coppers come a banging on the door, I can say I'm floating on international waters.


Vegas, baby! Vegas!

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 01:09:39
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.





ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
Come on liv... be a cool kid!~ :rofl:



You know I am just joshing. I would really like to see what you think is gonna happen. It' s not like we REALLY have to worry about it here, you know.







Liv ya go to Vegas. You don't gamble, it can't be for the kick ass hotel cable. It must be for the buffets or the whores. Which is it? I keed!

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 01:10:56
Quote by TriSec:

Evening, folks.



Tonight's TriSec Tip:



When microwaving frozen hot dog rolls in the bag, don't forget to remove the twist-tie.



Also, molten hot dog roll bag plastic causes almost instantaneous second-degree burns.



Film at 11.





Sounds like tonight's not your night there, Tri.



Hopefully the first-aid merit badge came in handy.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 01:13:15
Quote by TriSec:

Evening, folks.



Tonight's TriSec Tip:



When microwaving frozen hot dog rolls in the bag, don't forget to remove the twist-tie.



Also, molten hot dog roll bag plastic causes almost instantaneous second-degree burns.



Film at 11.









Did we have a little domestic accident? Ouch! :poke:

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 01:14:56
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.





ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
Come on liv... be a cool kid!~ :rofl:



You know I am just joshing. I would really like to see what you think is gonna happen. It' s not like we REALLY have to worry about it here, you know.







Liv ya go to Vegas. You don't gamble, it can't be for the kick ass hotel cable. It must be for the buffets or the whores. Which is it? I keed!


I do play the slots. It takes longer for me to blow money on those. And there are the buffets and lounging by the pool.



Although I did stay a hotel with a plasma TV last time . Although now I got over 50 HD channels at home.

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/03/2008 01:18:08
Yep, Obama. Thanks Random.



I get to vote in our "direct primary" tomorrow. The fun never ends!!

Comment by TriSec on 06/03/2008 01:19:45
*snort*



Well, after I got the fire out, I was trying to save the rolls (which I did) and I got some plastic on me. I was actually quite fascinated by it, and fortunately only a step away from the sink and cold water, so I only had a miniscule spot that *actually* burned.



"Wow, this is really hot", I said to Mrs. TriSec.



'twas Javier's Spring Concert this afternoon, featuring the Fitzgerald Elementary Cacophonic Orchestra.

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 01:20:44
Tonight on MSG Network, we are running "All the Right Moves". See a young Tom Cruise before he was overwhelmed by the forces of Scientology.



You're being repressive and glib!

Comment by MMB on 06/03/2008 01:21:28
I have come to the conclusion that a person can truly come to a point in this fuc**d up life that compared to being strong and fighting every stinking day that being dead and gone looks good. That would give all the people that know me a great reason to throw a BIG HUGE PARTY After almost 48 years it now comes to no hope no dreams no nuttin sometimes quitting is better than stuggling trying to be perfect and nothing ever is right that is the time to hang it up. Party on Garth.

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 01:32:19
Come on tri-sec, place a bet.

Mondo, come on, place a bet, i know ya wanna.

Comment by shelaghc on 06/03/2008 01:34:21
Quote by TriSec:

*snort*



Well, after I got the fire out, I was trying to save the rolls (which I did) and I got some plastic on me. I was actually quite fascinated by it, and fortunately only a step away from the sink and cold water, so I only had a miniscule spot that *actually* burned.



"Wow, this is really hot", I said to Mrs. TriSec.



'twas Javier's Spring Concert this afternoon, featuring the Fitzgerald Elementary Cacophonic Orchestra.




Tri - Neosporin makes a great antibiotic cream w/ a topical anethestic. I've used it for kitchen burns and it works *really* well.



(poppin in, btw. No one noticed me this morning, but I wasn't here long anyway.)



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 01:34:57
Oy! Gainesville PBS station, very Jewish tonight. A history of Jews and then a thing about Israel. :dances a hora.:

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 01:37:20
Senator Byrd has been hospitalized.



:(







I will post a few pics of Kizzie tomorrow everyone. She is the laziest Dog I have ever seen in my life. She sleeps ALL the time!





Comment by TriSec on 06/03/2008 01:42:43
Sox have been back and forth with the Birds this evening...





Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 01:45:05
Hi Shelagh. I woke up after you posted. :waves westward:



Apparently, Politically Direct is coming back as the replacement for Seder on Sunday. Did you hear Maron on Friday? He made a crack about the fact that AAR's afternoon show is now only on 3 stations.

Comment by TriSec on 06/03/2008 01:49:47
I'm off for the evening.



Going to be another long day at the mines tomorrow, but fortunately my "office wife" is back after a long weekend. We've got another guy on vacation for the rest of this week.



Work still has to get done...



:peace:



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 01:51:15
Quote by TriSec:

Sox have been back and forth with the Birds this evening...







You know I have to say this, GO BIRDS! :Putti: Gotta support the team!

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 01:57:16
BTW, the hershey bar goes to Bobber I think:

According to DemConWAtch:

Superdelegate endorsements for Monday 6/2

So far today Obama has 5.5 superdelegate votes to Clinton's 2.

Obama has a total of 7 endorsements today which equal 5.5 superdelegate votes.



And may I suggest we use a better brand of Chocolate for the bets? :D





Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 01:59:21
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

Sox have been back and forth with the Birds this evening...







You know I have to say this, GO BIRDS! :Putti: Gotta support the team!


Peter Angelos was supposedly in the building I work at last week watching us doing the HD feed of last Wednesday's Orioles-Yankees game for MASN.

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 02:02:24
Quote by IzzyBitz:

Yep, Obama. Thanks Random.



I get to vote in our "direct primary" tomorrow. The fun never ends!!
ooOOO... Ours is coming up in a few weeks.



I wonder how much money the states are spending with 2 primaries...



Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 02:03:36
I still like Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. :D

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 02:04:01
:ireland:



I heard Sammy read your IM yesterday!

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 02:07:32
Quote by Raine:

BTW, the hershey bar goes to Bobber I think:

According to DemConWAtch:

Superdelegate endorsements for Monday 6/2

So far today Obama has 5.5 superdelegate votes to Clinton's 2.

Obama has a total of 7 endorsements today which equal 5.5 superdelegate votes.



And may I suggest we use a better brand of Chocolate for the bets? :D





So that's 9...damn, no chocolate for Random.

Alright, but we need a bigger prize for tomorrow...

Hm...any ideas?



Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 02:10:35
Because none of the ones joining us now have made bets...





Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10: Raine

10-15: Random

15-20: IzzyBitz

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli, Random

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine, IzzyBitz

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine, Random

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama): IzzyBitz

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):



Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 02:19:14
I suck, so all i can find is polls by American Research Group on South Dakota and Montana.

South Dakota: 48%/44% To Obama

Montana: 60%/34% to Clinton

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 02:26:29
I thought Obama was ahead in Montana.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 02:26:30
Quote by Random:

Because none of the ones joining us now have made bets...





Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10: Raine

10-15: Random

15-20: IzzyBitz

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli, Random

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine, IzzyBitz

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine, Random

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama): IzzyBitz

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):







I'll take the 10 supers

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 02:29:13
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Because none of the ones joining us now have made bets...





Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10: Raine, Mondobubba

11-15: Random

15-20: IzzyBitz

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli, Random

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine, IzzyBitz

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine, Random

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama): IzzyBitz

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):







I'll take the 10 supers


....ooookay.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 02:30:59
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

Sox have been back and forth with the Birds this evening...







You know I have to say this, GO BIRDS! :Putti: Gotta support the team!


Peter Angelos was supposedly in the building I work at last week watching us doing the HD feed of last Wednesday's Orioles-Yankees game for MASN.






Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 02:31:14
Quote by livingonli:

I thought Obama was ahead in Montana.


uh....i don't really know, just the info i could find.

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 02:34:01
Quote by Mondobubba:

Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:


That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.



Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 02:42:08
Quote by Random:

I suck, so all i can find is polls by American Research Group on South Dakota and Montana.

South Dakota: 48%/44% To Obama

Montana: 60%/34% to Clinton
Interesting... . For the record, there are very very few poll being done on South Dakota.



I am still tempted to up my Super delegate bet. VERY tempted.... WTF, can I up it to 15-20? is it too late?







Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 02:42:24
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

Sox have been back and forth with the Birds this evening...







You know I have to say this, GO BIRDS! :Putti: Gotta support the team!


Peter Angelos was supposedly in the building I work at last week watching us doing the HD feed of last Wednesday's Orioles-Yankees game for MASN.






Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:


I was off that night so I couldn't pull a Scanners.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 02:43:55
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:


That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.







Great flick Random!



Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/03/2008 02:44:38
Quote by Raine:

I will post a few pics of Kizzie tomorrow everyone. She is the laziest Dog I have ever seen in my life. She sleeps ALL the time!







Puppy is living up to the Izzi in his/her name!



If I win, plain M&Ms would be loverly.



Nighty night. Gonna watch Ripping Yarns, from the fine folks of Monty Python.

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 02:45:16
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

I suck, so all i can find is polls by American Research Group on South Dakota and Montana.

South Dakota: 48%/44% To Obama

Montana: 60%/34% to Clinton
Interesting... . For the record, there are very very few poll being done on South Dakota.



I am still tempted to up my Super delegate bet. VERY tempted.... WTF, can I up it to 15-20? is it too late?





feel free to, Supers bets close noon tomorrow, and the point difference before the polls close.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 02:46:37
Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 02:47:33
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:


That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.







Great flick Random!



I love me the Micheal J. Fox.

but apparently you making another movie reference.

I was thinking of Combs in the interregation room thinking Fox was gonna make his heart explode.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 02:56:43
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:


That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.







Great flick Random!



I love me the Micheal J. Fox.

but apparently you making another movie reference.

I was thinking of Combs in the interregation room thinking Fox was gonna make his heart explode.







Yep, I was thinking of Scanners

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/03/2008 02:58:11
Just realized his/her is a she.

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 03:01:18
Quote by Mondobubba:

Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?


That's a tough one.

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 03:03:24
Ok, Random, consider my bet changed.



:D





And yes, Kizzie is a she. I can't help it, I still call her Izzie! She is a sweetie, she has been here since Saturday, and I think she is still trying to figure out what is going on. She finally ate tonite, I was so happy.



And she is back sleeping on the big Chair... camille is still giving her stank eye.

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 03:08:18
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:


That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.







Great flick Random!



I love me the Micheal J. Fox.

but apparently you making another movie reference.

I was thinking of Combs in the interregation room thinking Fox was gonna make his heart explode.







Yep, I was thinking of Scanners


Did you see that there's a remake coming out in October?



Dear Hollywood, instead of re-doing movies that have been done, how about coming up with some original ideas? Or is that too much for your tiny brains to comprehend?

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/03/2008 03:08:22
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?


That's a tough one.






Terwiliger. Cousin to Cecil and Robert.

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 03:12:08
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?


That's a tough one.






Terwiliger. Cousin to Cecil and Robert.


That explains how Cletus ended up working in Cecil's construction company.





Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 03:13:35
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?


That's a tough one.






Terwiliger. Cousin to Cecil and Robert.


really? Well...uh...

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 03:15:30


Super's Declaring

1-3:

4-6:

7-10:

10-15: Random

15-20: IzzyBitz, Raine

20+:



Montana

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama):

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama):

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama):

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli, Random

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama): Raine, IzzyBitz

15+ point difference (Clinton):



South Dakota

50/50 split:

1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli

1-2 point difference (Clinton):

3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine, Random

3-4 point difference (Clinton):

5-6 point difference (Obama):

5-6 point difference (Clinton):

7-10 point difference (Obama): IzzyBitz

7-10 point difference (Clinton):

11-15 point difference (Obama):

11-15 point difference (Clinton):

15+ point difference (Obama):

15+ point difference (Clinton):





Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 03:20:42
But no relationship to the Terwilliger's is mentioned in the Wikipedia entry for Cletus.

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 03:21:18
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

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Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?


That's a tough one.






Terwiliger. Cousin to Cecil and Robert.


That explains how Cletus ended up working in Cecil's construction company.







But it's not Terwiliger.

It's Spuckler...



Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 03:23:20
Quote by livingonli:

But no relationship to the Terwilliger's is mentioned in the Wikipedia entry for Cletus.


That...and it gives his name as Spuckler...

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 03:33:17
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

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Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:


That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.







Great flick Random!



I love me the Micheal J. Fox.

but apparently you making another movie reference.

I was thinking of Combs in the interregation room thinking Fox was gonna make his heart explode.







Yep, I was thinking of Scanners


Did you see that there's a remake coming out in October?



Dear Hollywood, instead of re-doing movies that have been done, how about coming up with some original ideas? Or is that too much for your tiny brains to comprehend?
:: Joe Biden :: Yes.



I am very tired of the lack of originality coming out of hollywood. Come on people! come up with something new!



Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 03:38:26
Proof of why old films should not be re-made: Gus Van Zandt's Psycho. Why copy the Hitchcock version when it's been out there. It was even worse than if they just had colorized the original.

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 03:39:24
Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:


That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.







Great flick Random!



I love me the Micheal J. Fox.

but apparently you making another movie reference.

I was thinking of Combs in the interregation room thinking Fox was gonna make his heart explode.







Yep, I was thinking of Scanners


Did you see that there's a remake coming out in October?



Dear Hollywood, instead of re-doing movies that have been done, how about coming up with some original ideas? Or is that too much for your tiny brains to comprehend?
:: Joe Biden :: Yes.



I am very tired of the lack of originality coming out of hollywood. Come on people! come up with something new!



To be fair, Hollywood has never been original. A good chunk of their greatest hits have been based of books and plays.

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 03:42:28
Quote by livingonli:

Proof of why old films should not be re-made: Gus Van Zandt's Psycho. Why copy the Hitchcock version when it's been out there. It was even worse than if they just had colorized the original.


And i counter with Peter Jackson's King Kong. A remake that was very good.

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 03:49:45
Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

Proof of why old films should not be re-made: Gus Van Zandt's Psycho. Why copy the Hitchcock version when it's been out there. It was even worse than if they just had colorized the original.


And i counter with Peter Jackson's King Kong. A remake that was very good.


And that was a second remake. It expanded more from the '33 version than did the '76 version which updated it to that time. Noting how the climax was at the World Trade Center instead of the Empire State Building.



Of course if the remake was updated to contemporary times they would have had to go back to the Empire State Building anyway.

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 03:53:16
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

Proof of why old films should not be re-made: Gus Van Zandt's Psycho. Why copy the Hitchcock version when it's been out there. It was even worse than if they just had colorized the original.


And i counter with Peter Jackson's King Kong. A remake that was very good.


And that was a second remake. It expanded more from the '33 version than did the '76 version which updated it to that time. Noting how the climax was at the World Trade Center instead of the Empire State Building.



Of course if the remake was updated to contemporary times they would have had to go back to the Empire State Building anyway.


IT was a good remake of the original good King Kong.

not all i have though, very good remakes of Yojimbo and Seven Samurai as well.





Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 03:53:43
And then there's Mel Brooks The Producers in which the remake was based on the Broadway musical which was a remake/update of his original 1968 film.

Comment by Random on 06/03/2008 03:56:36
I still stand my statement that Hollywood has had very little original ideas in it's 70+ years of exsistence.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/03/2008 05:03:51
May I enter the pool?



Supers - 15-20

Montana - Obama by 7-10

SD - Obama by 5-6

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 05:10:33
OK, so here is the deal. WE now have a pool. I, as a co admin of this blog, offer to send real chocolate to the winners of each of the divisions.



And because he is doing so much work, Random will get chocolate anyway. (it won't be hershey's either... that is blasphemy when you live with BobR)



So we have three divisions... And according to Random the SD division we have until Noon tommorrow. Correct?





Supers

Montana

South Dakota



Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 05:25:59
because I can. LAdies and Gentleman, I present the ALWAYS crazy, Mike Gravel...







Comment by PatM on 06/03/2008 05:28:45
Quote by Raine:

OK, so here is the deal. WE now have a pool. I, as a co admin of this blog, offer to send real chocolate to the winners of each of the divisions.



And because he is doing so much work, Random will get chocolate anyway. (it won't be hershey's either... that is blasphemy when you live with BobR)



So we have three divisions... And according to Random the SD division we have until Noon tommorrow. Correct?







Supers

Montana

South Dakota







Dark chocolate right? Oh, I guess if I want chocolate in any form I'd have to enter the pool. . . .



Montana: 5-6 point difference Obama

South Dakota: 3-4 point difference Obama

SD: 20+ by end of day



Comment by BobR on 06/03/2008 05:29:07
Quote by livingonli:

And then there's Mel Brooks The Producers in which the remake was based on the Broadway musical which was a remake/update of his original 1968 film.


What about Hairspray? Aren't we up to two movies and two broadway plays now?

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 05:30:56
(psst, Mr. Gravel, Bob Barr is your Party's candidate...)



Mike is crazy, man. off the hook crazy...

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 05:42:59
Random, You will need to add a few people to the pool in the AM, in case you have gone to sleep.

Comment by Raine on 06/03/2008 06:05:34
I am off to bed.

I would like to leave you with a little info.



There are 226.5 total delegates left. (DemConWatch told me so) That includes pledged and supers.



If more than 30 SD announce tommorow, it is over. there will be no math that can make it happen. HRC needs 200.5 delegates (anyway she can get them) to take the lead....



At a certain point, it is safe to make asumptions.







Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 07:18:58
Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

And then there's Mel Brooks The Producers in which the remake was based on the Broadway musical which was a remake/update of his original 1968 film.


What about Hairspray? Aren't we up to two movies and two broadway plays now?


This is true. I'm surprised there were a lot of bloggers up late tonight. I was just watching Countdown and about to head off to bed.

Comment by livingonli on 06/03/2008 07:24:01
And our belated late night video theatre. A little late night history lesson for the Harriets of the world.