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Pelosi the Proxist?
Author: Raine    Date: 11/20/2014 14:30:06

John Stewart set his sights on house Minority leader Nancy Pelosi the other night for her not allowing Representative Duckworth to vote by proxy for leadership roles on committees.
The offenses committed by Pelosi — whom Stewart championed as a longtime fighter for women's and voting rights? She denied Rep. Tammy Duckworth's request to cast a proxy vote in the Democratic leadership elections. Duckworth was advised by her doctor not to fly to Washington in her eighth month of pregnancy. Duckworth (D-Ill.) also is a double-amputee Iraq War veteran, or, as Stewart put it, a Democratic demographic Turduckworth. The reason for denying the proxy vote? Pelosi said it would set a precedent ... and Duckworth happened to be supporting someone other than Pelosi's chosen candidate for a committee position.
This segment was preceded by many political publications reporting with headlines such as this: House Dems Rage Over Denying Pregnant Colleague Proxy Vote. From the link:
Proxy voting is prohibited under Democratic caucus rules.

Some Democrats, however, are still objecting.

“Our party should be the party that stands for women,” Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) said during a caucus meeting on Tuesday, according to Roll Call.

On Monday at a news conference Pelosi defended her resistance to allowing Duckworth a proxy vote.

“The rules of the caucus are the same as the rules of the House. No proxy voting….The fact is that it’s really important to be here, to be in caucus. It’s more important to vote on the floor. If I were to make a fight, I’d vote to have a proxy vote on the floor than in whatever’s going on in the caucus.”
Ms. Duckworth responded: “I submitted a request to the Caucus to allow for a proxy vote due to my pregnancy. The Caucus chose not to allow me to vote via proxy,” Duckworth said. “I respect the process and very much appreciated my colleagues who made sure my request was considered." Certainly, a very gracious response. Roll call stated:
And many members are concerned about the optics of not allowing Duckworth a proxy vote when Democrats are supposed to be the party that fights for women. Democrats have tried to make electoral gains by touting the “When Women Succeed, America Succeeds” economic agenda.

“Our party should be the party that stands up for women,” Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida said in a caucus meeting Tuesday morning, according to a source in the room.

What is far less reported was this moment during discussions on whether to allow a proxy vote for Rep. Duckworth:
Democrats like Rep. Rosa DeLauro, the co-chair of the Democrat Steering and Policy Committee, cautioned colleagues against setting new precedent for the secret ballot elections.

But Rep. Jan Schakowsky, vice-chair of the steering and policy committee and one of Duckworth’s colleagues from Illinois, made a motion to permit a concession to Duckworth, whose letter was read to the caucus.

"I write to request your assistance regarding upcoming votes four our Caucus," her letter stated, according to the National Journal, which first broke the story. "As you are aware, I am in the final weeks of my pregnancy, and have been instructed by my physician not to travel. As a result, I will not be attending the upcoming Caucus meetings in person."

"I would like to request a proxy vote on the upcoming leadership and ranking member elections that will come before the Caucus in the coming weeks,” she continued.

According to a Democratic aide in the room during the debate, a pivotal moment came when Rep. Gwen Moore spoke out to ask whether she could proxy vote as well because she plans to attend a funeral in Wisconsin next Tuesday.

Moore’s request soured the mood of the room against Duckworth’s motion, the aide said, “with Members realizing the slippery slope argument that others had made.” Schakowsky then pulled her motion for Duckworth.
John Stewart, along with many other people who have a bullhorn didn't bother telling people that part of the story.

I love Stewart, but there are rules that should be followed, and when the time to change those rules comes, they should be changed. I personally do not believe that voting absentee is a good idea for legislating, and am not completely convinced it is a good idea for intra-party decisions.

I guess I am concerned about the "slippery slope" as well. With all the technology we have, I believe that face-to-face interactions make governing better. I don't believe as some have suggested that it is sexist to not allow her to vote nor do I believe it is a slap in the face at her service and sacrifice to our nation. Her Doctor has advised she not travel due to her pregnancy. She attempted to have her voice heard and I appreciate it. Some Dems are angry, while many - I believe - understand what happened here. It's not sexist, it's not anti-woman, not the way I am seeing this.

Sometimes rules are rules. Skype cannot replace actually being present in real life. What do you think?

&

Raine

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Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2014 14:34:02
Le Beaujolais-Nouveau est Arive!



Comment by BobR on 11/20/2014 14:42:23
Quote by TriSec:
Le Beaujolais-Nouveau est Arive!




Comment by Scoopster on 11/20/2014 14:43:36
Mornin' all..

Yet another university shooting.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 14:46:04
Morning

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 14:46:42
Quote by TriSec:
Le Beaujolais-Nouveau est Arive!




psst - it actually arrived last week, its just been in the warehouse

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 14:58:41
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..

Yet another university shooting.
I saw this and it made me cry.
Rattled tonight by text and call from daughter at #FSU while in library during shooting. Praying for all involved.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B23ZfhGCEAAXLbS.jpg:large


Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 15:08:32
Mala Don't know if you saw this last night, but I have a lonely single post in response to Chris Core: Here is what he said

Mr. Core,

I seriously suggest you look into this issue. Your value segment was based on very few facts. Keystone provides NO fuel to the Unites States. Even TransCanada admitted this. This country will not be a recipient of any 'oil or gas'. They call it tar-sands for a reason, it is pretty much tar.

I agree, fracking is bad, but I know why it is bad. In your commentary, you said, and I quote: 'I don't know how I feel about fracking…'

I would strongly suggest you look into both issues from not just an environmental POV but from an economic as well as political.

This was a truly irresposible 'Core Value'. You have made it clear that you know little to nothing about either issue. I have to say yuor getting facts straight before mentioning a comment about it would be a core value .

I would also like to add that the pipeline is a congressional issue, The EPA and fracking is administrative issue and you confllated the two. This creates an intellectually dishonest debate. They are two separate things -- both deserve discussion, neither deserves to be tossed in a bin as though they are the same.

We all need to be smarter and more informed about such important issues.

Thank you for your time.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 15:20:34
Quote by Raine:
Mala Don't know if you saw this last night, but I have a lonely single post in response to Chris Core: Here is what he said

Mr. Core,

I seriously suggest you look into this issue. Your value segment was based on very few facts. Keystone provides NO fuel to the Unites States. Even TransCanada admitted this. This country will not be a recipient of any 'oil or gas'. They call it tar-sands for a reason, it is pretty much tar.

I agree, fracking is bad, but I know why it is bad. In your commentary, you said, and I quote: 'I don't know how I feel about fracking…'

I would strongly suggest you look into both issues from not just an environmental POV but from an economic as well as political.

This was a truly irresposible 'Core Value'. You have made it clear that you know little to nothing about either issue. I have to say yuor getting facts straight before mentioning a comment about it would be a core value .

I would also like to add that the pipeline is a congressional issue, The EPA and fracking is administrative issue and you confllated the two. This creates an intellectually dishonest debate. They are two separate things -- both deserve discussion, neither deserves to be tossed in a bin as though they are the same.

We all need to be smarter and more informed about such important issues.

Thank you for your time.






http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110705203442/glee/images/3/38/Orson-welles-clapping.gif


Very nice! And I see what you did there with the "core value" thing.

Yeah I heard it last night and was like WTF? And that he didn't understand why they needed the 60 votes was crazy for someone who says he stays informed.

THis is pretty much my reaction to Chris Core any more -
http://media.tumblr.com/1344b8d232b21dc40a5d65345ad555ad/tumblr_inline_milmcnON6n1qz4rgp.gif


Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2014 15:22:32
Quote by wickedpam:

psst - it actually arrived last week, its just been in the warehouse


LALALALA- I'm Not Listening!


Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 15:26:07
So, seriously, What does everyone think about the question I posed today?

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 15:32:23
The strangest story of the day… Want free Bills-Jets tickets?

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 15:36:01
Quote by Raine:
The strangest story of the day… Want free Bills-Jets tickets?



yes, legislating face to face is best and should always be the go too, but sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that should be taken on a case by case basis.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2014 15:49:02
I dunno, Raine. It strikes me as kind of dick-cheese move on Pelosi's part to not allow one time exception in Rep Duckworth's case. I mean she is 8 months pregnant and following her doctor's advice on flying.

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 15:59:29
Hmm. What is the difference between this and Rep. Moore?


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2014 16:01:38
Quote by Raine:
Hmm. What is the difference between this and Rep. Moore?



Medical advice.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 16:05:26
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Hmm. What is the difference between this and Rep. Moore?



Medical advice.



exactly - Duckworth wants to be there but due to doctors orders can't be. I don't know what relation Moore is to the person's funeral she's going to or its location but she can work around it.

Comment by BobR on 11/20/2014 16:17:24
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Hmm. What is the difference between this and Rep. Moore?



Medical advice.



exactly - Duckworth wants to be there but due to doctors orders can't be. I don't know what relation Moore is to the person's funeral she's going to or its location but she can work around it.

Maybe "early voting" is the answer - like in the general election.

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 16:17:33
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Hmm. What is the difference between this and Rep. Moore?



Medical advice.



exactly - Duckworth wants to be there but due to doctors orders can't be. I don't know what relation Moore is to the person's funeral she's going to or its location but she can work around it.
So then they need to change the rules. That would be the best solution.

HEre is the PDF. Do a find of the word Proxy.

Prohibition against proxy voting
(f) A vote by a member of a com- mittee or subcommittee with respect to any measure or matter may not be cast by proxy.



I don't want people to start simply phoning it in. It's already bad enough with so few days they are actually working in DC. Duckworth wanted to have her voice heard, but the rules do not allow it.

I didn't really expect everyone to agree, it's been a conversation at Casa de Braine for the past few evenings.


Shakowsky even changed her mind about this one, and she is a huge Duckworth supporter.

Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2014 16:21:42
Oh yes, from TRMS...

I apologize for being genetically predisposed to be dumber and more criminal than the rest of you. I await the next directive from my smarter White masters.

We're losing to these guys how?

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 16:24:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Hmm. What is the difference between this and Rep. Moore?



Medical advice.



exactly - Duckworth wants to be there but due to doctors orders can't be. I don't know what relation Moore is to the person's funeral she's going to or its location but she can work around it.
So then they need to change the rules. That would be the best solution.

HEre is the PDF. Do a find of the word Proxy.

Prohibition against proxy voting
(f) A vote by a member of a com- mittee or subcommittee with respect to any measure or matter may not be cast by proxy.



I don't want people to start simply phoning it in. It's already bad enough with so few days they are actually working in DC. Duckworth wanted to have her voice heard, but the rules do not allow it.

I didn't really expect everyone to agree, it's been a conversation at Casa de Braine for the past few evenings.


Shakowsky even changed her mind about this one, and she is a huge Duckworth supporter.


As an HOA board we use proxy votes when necessary but that's the fall back if we can't get the face to face meeting.

I don't want people phoning it in either - it would have to be extenuating circumstances for it to be Skyped or proxied in. All that would have to be hashed out.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 16:27:54
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Hmm. What is the difference between this and Rep. Moore?



Medical advice.



exactly - Duckworth wants to be there but due to doctors orders can't be. I don't know what relation Moore is to the person's funeral she's going to or its location but she can work around it.

Maybe "early voting" is the answer - like in the general election.


or even "late voting" make it a time frame to which all votes would have to be in by and once submitted it would be locked in. I know it sounds crazy, and I don't think things are any more complicated then it was a hundred years ago - it just people are needed to be in more places then one on any given day.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2014 16:33:59
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Hmm. What is the difference between this and Rep. Moore?



Medical advice.



exactly - Duckworth wants to be there but due to doctors orders can't be. I don't know what relation Moore is to the person's funeral she's going to or its location but she can work around it.

Maybe "early voting" is the answer - like in the general election.


or even "late voting" make it a time frame to which all votes would have to be in by and once submitted it would be locked in. I know it sounds crazy, and I don't think things are any more complicated then it was a hundred years ago - it just people are needed to be in more places then one on any given day.



Leader Pelosi, Skype. Skype, Leader Pelosi. BOOM! ;drops mic:

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 17:21:20
Really? Cause some got spam email we now have to do the "what would you advise" thing

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 17:21:54
Comment by Scoopster on 11/20/2014 17:57:15
Just set up a wifi hotspot in the office using a wifi adapter from home that I'm not using anymore. Pretty happy that I won't be blowing out my phone data usage every month just to listen to the radio.

Comment by livingonli on 11/20/2014 18:30:14
Good day, folks. I think I am having my mid-life crisis.

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 18:48:42
Quote by Scoopster:
Just set up a wifi hotspot in the office using a wifi adapter from home that I'm not using anymore. Pretty happy that I won't be blowing out my phone data usage every month just to listen to the radio.

Smart move!

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 18:49:09
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. I think I am having my mid-life crisis.

What's going on?

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 18:49:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Really? Cause some got spam email we now have to do the "what would you advise" thing
what do you mean?


Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 18:51:38
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Really? Cause some got spam email we now have to do the "what would you advise" thing
what do you mean?



Thom opened his show saying "someone" got one of those emails from the Dem Party asking how they were doing and what should they be working on. Sounding like lazy producing.

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 19:02:41
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Really? Cause some got spam email we now have to do the "what would you advise" thing
what do you mean?



Thom opened his show saying "someone" got one of those emails from the Dem Party asking how they were doing and what should they be working on. Sounding like lazy producing.
AHHH….

Understood.

It's day two of this.





Comment by livingonli on 11/20/2014 19:09:54
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. I think I am having my mid-life crisis.

What's going on?

Between having to struggle financially, and looking at the fact that my life is not what I hoped it would be since I hoped I would have been more successful and had settled down by now and neither has happened, and it looks like it's aggravating my depression and getting me stressed out.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 19:13:20
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Really? Cause some got spam email we now have to do the "what would you advise" thing
what do you mean?



Thom opened his show saying "someone" got one of those emails from the Dem Party asking how they were doing and what should they be working on. Sounding like lazy producing.
AHHH….

Understood.

It's day two of this.





Think it says something that a lot of people go to find something else to listen too instead of Thom.


Comment by BobR on 11/20/2014 19:18:08
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. I think I am having my mid-life crisis.

What's going on?

Between having to struggle financially, and looking at the fact that my life is not what I hoped it would be since I hoped I would have been more successful and had settled down by now and neither has happened, and it looks like it's aggravating my depression and getting me stressed out.

oh ok - I thought you were dating a 19 year old and buying a convertible.

Seriously, though, the best solution for that feeling of helplessness is to create a plan of action to resolve your problems. Don't try to resolve them all at once - that's a surefire recipe for disaster. Pick one or two small problems that can be resolved in a reasonable amount of time and focus on just those. Don't get sidetracked by other problems or panic that other things aren't getting done. Getting through that should give you a feeling of accomplishment, and more confidence to create and execute a plan to resolve the bigger problems.

And really - there are medications to help with depression and anxiety. Use them.

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 19:21:09
You know who else is carrying the POTUS speech tonite? Whitehouse.gov, PBS and C-span.




Comment by Scoopster on 11/20/2014 19:56:30
This is ADORABLE!!



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2014 20:06:44
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Liv, I second what Bobber says. Take baby steps. They will help. As far as the meds go, I am firm believer in better living through chemistry. For me, it keeps the wolves away.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/20/2014 20:13:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
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Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2014 20:18:12
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
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Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2014 20:29:02
I am moving to california to become the 'Disruptor-in-residence'.

Comment by BobR on 11/20/2014 20:30:41
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
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Quote by BobR:
Quote by BobR:
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Quote by Mondobubba:
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so sayeth I, ''TINDER SHEPHERD''



Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 21:37:49
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2014 21:43:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
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Harbinger of Disruptive Innovation!

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Click-Through Agitator

oh, and "Technological Mystic"
all winners!

so sayeth I, ''TINDER SHEPHERD''




Not so fast, Tinder Shepherd! So sayeth HIGH PRIEST OF DIGITAL INNOVATION!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/20/2014 22:11:40
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Check this out. It is a Silicon Valley job title generator.

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Harbinger of Disruptive Innovation!

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Click-Through Agitator

oh, and "Technological Mystic"
all winners!

so sayeth I, ''TINDER SHEPHERD''




Not so fast, Tinder Shepherd! So sayeth HIGH PRIEST OF DIGITAL INNOVATION!



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Comment by Raine on 11/20/2014 23:09:15
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Mala Don't know if you saw this last night, but I have a lonely single post in response to Chris Core: Here is what he said

Mr. Core,

I seriously suggest you look into this issue. Your value segment was based on very few facts. Keystone provides NO fuel to the Unites States. Even TransCanada admitted this. This country will not be a recipient of any 'oil or gas'. They call it tar-sands for a reason, it is pretty much tar.

I agree, fracking is bad, but I know why it is bad. In your commentary, you said, and I quote: 'I don't know how I feel about fracking…'

I would strongly suggest you look into both issues from not just an environmental POV but from an economic as well as political.

This was a truly irresposible 'Core Value'. You have made it clear that you know little to nothing about either issue. I have to say yuor getting facts straight before mentioning a comment about it would be a core value .

I would also like to add that the pipeline is a congressional issue, The EPA and fracking is administrative issue and you confllated the two. This creates an intellectually dishonest debate. They are two separate things -- both deserve discussion, neither deserves to be tossed in a bin as though they are the same.

We all need to be smarter and more informed about such important issues.

Thank you for your time.






http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110705203442/glee/images/3/38/Orson-welles-clapping.gif


Very nice! And I see what you did there with the "core value" thing.

Yeah I heard it last night and was like WTF? And that he didn't understand why they needed the 60 votes was crazy for someone who says he stays informed.

THis is pretty much my reaction to Chris Core any more -
http://media.tumblr.com/1344b8d232b21dc40a5d65345ad555ad/tumblr_inline_milmcnON6n1qz4rgp.gif
Missed this earlier.

LOVE THIS.


Comment by Scoopster on 11/21/2014 01:09:39
Everyone ready for tonight's address?

Comment by Scoopster on 11/21/2014 01:10:56
What the fuck?! Since when does C-Span require you to have a cable/sat subscription to live stream?!