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Author: TriSec
Date: 12/09/2014 11:05:07
Good Morning.
Today is our 4,811th day in Afghanistan, and our 173rd day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 2,353
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,127
There have been 3 casualties in our return to Iraq.
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
$ 1, 586, 737, 125, 000. 00
You probably heard some news yesterday about a ceremonial end to combat operations in Afghanistan. It's just that - ceremony. Just because they pulled the flag down doesn't mean the war is ending anytime soon.
Of course, the big news these days is the release of the torture report. Many will argue that it's a bad idea; after all, our troops are still in harm's way and will likely face some kind of retaliation by those inclined to do so. But I'm of the other opinion - releasing a report can only serve to clear the air. There may be some short-term repercussions, but I'd rather see them than have to deal with the consequences in a year, a decade, a lifetime from now. It's like addiction. Denying the problem only makes it worse. Admitting there is one is the first step towards fixing what's wrong.
But we're not the only ones complicit in this. There was a bit of a coalition working during the worst years of the wars. We're not the only ones with blood on our hands, although we may have the most. The UK in particular is worried about what's in the report.
Of course, we can't criticize anything about the war without an angry white man weighing in. Is it wrong of me to scream at the TV every time I see his face, "Die! Just Die right now on screen so I can see it with my own eyes!!!"?
It will never happen, but wouldn't you still love to see that war crimes tribunal?
Today is our 4,811th day in Afghanistan, and our 173rd day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 2,353
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,127
There have been 3 casualties in our return to Iraq.
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
You probably heard some news yesterday about a ceremonial end to combat operations in Afghanistan. It's just that - ceremony. Just because they pulled the flag down doesn't mean the war is ending anytime soon.
The U.S. and NATO ceremonially ended their combat mission in Afghanistan on Monday, 13 years after the Sept. 11 terror attacks sparked their invasion of the country to topple the Taliban-led government.
NATO's International Security Assistance Force Joint Command, which was in charge of combat operations, lowered its flag, formally ending its deployment. U.S. Gen. John F. Campbell, commander of NATO and U.S. forces, said that the mission now would transition to a training and support role for Afghanistan's own security forces. From Jan. 1, the coalition will maintain a force of 13,000 troops in Afghanistan, down from a peak around 140,000 in 2011.
Of course, the big news these days is the release of the torture report. Many will argue that it's a bad idea; after all, our troops are still in harm's way and will likely face some kind of retaliation by those inclined to do so. But I'm of the other opinion - releasing a report can only serve to clear the air. There may be some short-term repercussions, but I'd rather see them than have to deal with the consequences in a year, a decade, a lifetime from now. It's like addiction. Denying the problem only makes it worse. Admitting there is one is the first step towards fixing what's wrong.
But we're not the only ones complicit in this. There was a bit of a coalition working during the worst years of the wars. We're not the only ones with blood on our hands, although we may have the most. The UK in particular is worried about what's in the report.
As the US prepares for the publication of a report examining the CIA’s use of torture after 9/11, the UK is among several close allies thought to be concerned that it will shed new and disturbing light on their role in the so-called rendition programme.
After a six-year examination of CIA documents, the Senate intelligence committee will on Tuesday release a 480-page summary of its 6,200-page report on the way in which the agency mistreated al-Qaida suspects held in secret prisons in Europe, Asia and the Middle East.
One highly detailed but unofficial investigation concluded last year that the programme was assisted by 54 countries worldwide, 25 of them in Europe.
The summary of the Senate committee’s report has been redacted in consultation with the CIA, but according to recent media reports, the committee chair, Dianne Feinstein, has won a victory by retaining within it significant amounts of information about the activities of US allies. While those countries’ roles are expected to be detailed, they are expected to be anonymised.
The UK government, which has never permitted an effective domestic inquiry into its involvement in the CIA’s global kidnap and torture operation to run its full course, appears to have good reason to be concerned about some of the material that may lie within the committee’s report.
In 2004, for example, MI6 engaged in at least two rendition operations alongside the CIA, resulting in a pair of Libyan dissidents being abducted with their wives and children, aged between six and 12, and flown to Muammar Gaddafi’s prisons. One of the wives, who was pregnant, says she was bound head-to-foot with tape to a stretcher for the 17-hour flight.
Furthermore, British intelligence officers interrogated detainees held at Guantánamo Bay and at Bagram in Afghanistan, despite being aware they were being mistreated, and the UK government provided logistical support for aircraft in rendition operations, allowing them to refuel at British civilian and military airports on hundreds of occasions.
At least two detainees were flown via Diego Garcia, which is British territory.
The full extent of the UK’s involvement in the rendition programme remains unclear however. Last year, the government shelved an official inquiry, but not before the judge in charge said that there were 27 areas in which questions about the UK’s involvement in rendition and mistreatment of detainees remained unanswered.
Of course, we can't criticize anything about the war without an angry white man weighing in. Is it wrong of me to scream at the TV every time I see his face, "Die! Just Die right now on screen so I can see it with my own eyes!!!"?
WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Dick Cheney offered a full-throated defense of the Central Intelligence Agency on Monday, arguing that its harsh interrogations of terrorism suspects a decade ago were “absolutely, totally justified” and dismissing a new Senate report criticizing them.
Mr. Cheney, who was a vocal champion of those techniques after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and has never accepted the widespread description of them as torture, said he had not read the report that the Intelligence Committee is expected to release on Tuesday. But from news reports about it, he said he had heard nothing to change his mind about the wisdom and effectiveness of the program.
“What I keep hearing out there is they portray this as a rogue operation and the agency was way out of bounds and then they lied about it,” he said in a telephone interview. “I think that’s all a bunch of hooey. The program was authorized. The agency did not want to proceed without authorization, and it was also reviewed legally by the Justice Department before they undertook the program.”
Mr. Cheney said he never thought the C.I.A. was withholding information from him or the White House about the nature of the program, nor did he think the agency exaggerated the value of the intelligence gained from waterboarding and other techniques. The reported conclusion by the Senate Intelligence Committee that the C.I.A. misled the White House, he added, “is just a crock.”
“They deserve a lot of praise,” Mr. Cheney said. “As far as I’m concerned, they ought to be decorated, not criticized.”
He said critics had forgotten that the purpose was to prevent another Sept. 11. “When we had that program in place, we kept the country safe from any more mass casualty attacks, which was our objective,” he said.
The program, he added, was “the right thing to do, and if I had to do it over again, I would do it.”
It will never happen, but wouldn't you still love to see that war crimes tribunal?
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 12:46:26
Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 12:46:26
So, this happened:
Comment by 
Raine on 12/09/2014 14:24:05
good morning!
Raine on 12/09/2014 14:24:05
good morning!
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 14:43:58
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 14:43:58
O-effing-W
Should have listened more closely to the weather this morning when they talked about ice. The "thermometer" on the wall that said it was 43 degrees (in Boston, not in the lowlands on the banks of the River Charles) lulled me into a false sense of security.
First step out the door this morning, WHAP, down the stairs on my butt. Fortunately, apart from two bruised elbows and a stiff neck I appear to be relatively unscathed. I think having the heavy winter jacket on helped. Thank you L.L.Bean.
I noticed when I got to my car I had forgotten my phone, but I decided I wanted no part of those stairs again.
Should have listened more closely to the weather this morning when they talked about ice. The "thermometer" on the wall that said it was 43 degrees (in Boston, not in the lowlands on the banks of the River Charles) lulled me into a false sense of security.
First step out the door this morning, WHAP, down the stairs on my butt. Fortunately, apart from two bruised elbows and a stiff neck I appear to be relatively unscathed. I think having the heavy winter jacket on helped. Thank you L.L.Bean.
I noticed when I got to my car I had forgotten my phone, but I decided I wanted no part of those stairs again.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 12/09/2014 14:50:33
wickedpam on 12/09/2014 14:50:33
Morning 
Comment by 
TriSec on 12/09/2014 15:08:53
TriSec on 12/09/2014 15:08:53
I am disappointed that I did not see any SUVs upside-down in a ditch alongside the Mass Pike with fire shooting out all the windows this morning.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 15:12:57
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 15:12:57
It seems my ankles are now barking "HEY, DON'T WE COUNT?"
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 15:14:52
You did see a sideways bus, stop whining.
Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 15:14:52
Quote by TriSec:
I am disappointed that I did not see any SUVs upside-down in a ditch alongside the Mass Pike with fire shooting out all the windows this morning.
You did see a sideways bus, stop whining.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/09/2014 15:20:15
Ouch! Be careful up there you guys.
wickedpam on 12/09/2014 15:20:15
Quote by trojanrabbit:
It seems my ankles are now barking "HEY, DON'T WE COUNT?"
Ouch! Be careful up there you guys.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 12/09/2014 15:24:05
Scoopster on 12/09/2014 15:24:05
Mornin' all.. 
Just checking in now that I'm doped up on meds. There seems to be an epidemic of banged up body parts here in the northeast today.
Just checking in now that I'm doped up on meds. There seems to be an epidemic of banged up body parts here in the northeast today.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 15:30:54
Raine on 12/09/2014 15:30:54
Anarchy in the Northeast! 
Seriously everyone please take care of yourselves.
Seriously everyone please take care of yourselves.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 15:34:13
An unfortunate result of the air temperature going up enough to rain before the ground has a chance to catch up.
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 15:34:13
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
Just checking in now that I'm doped up on meds. There seems to be an epidemic of banged up body parts here in the northeast today.
An unfortunate result of the air temperature going up enough to rain before the ground has a chance to catch up.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 16:02:20
Raine on 12/09/2014 16:02:20
Woah. I missed this yesterday:
(didn't watch Maddow)
(didn't watch Maddow)
Mr. Obama could pardon George J. Tenet for authorizing torture at the C.I.A.’s black sites overseas, Donald H. Rumsfeld for authorizing the use of torture at the Guantánamo Bay prison, David S. Addington, John C. Yoo and Jay S. Bybee for crafting the legal cover for torture, and George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for overseeing it all.
While the idea of a pre-emptive pardon may seem novel, there is precedent. Presidents Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson pardoned Confederate soldiers as a step toward unity and reconstruction after the Civil War. Gerald R. Ford pardoned Richard M. Nixon for the crimes of Watergate. Jimmy Carter pardoned Vietnam War draft resisters.
The spectacle of the president’s granting pardons to torturers still makes my stomach turn. But doing so may be the only way to ensure that the American government never tortures again. Pardons would make clear that crimes were committed; that the individuals who authorized and committed torture were indeed criminals; and that future architects and perpetrators of torture should beware. Prosecutions would be preferable, but pardons may be the only viable and lasting way to close the Pandora’s box of torture once and for all.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 16:11:38
Raine on 12/09/2014 16:11:38
Oh hell no to this caller. GHELL NO
Comment by trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 16:15:41
A full 180 from what he SHOULD have done, but I've given up long ago that these traitors will face any sanction for their crimes. And I'm pretty sure there are some high-level Democrats that need to be swinging for this too (looking at YOU especially, Nancy Pelosi - enabler, "impeachment off the table" my ass).
Besides, a pardon would be fully lost on fascist assholes like them.
Did Hannity ever get himself water-boarded?
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 16:15:41
Quote by Raine:
Woah. I missed this yesterday:
(didn't watch Maddow)Mr. Obama could pardon George J. Tenet for authorizing torture at the C.I.A.’s black sites overseas, Donald H. Rumsfeld for authorizing the use of torture at the Guantánamo Bay prison, David S. Addington, John C. Yoo and Jay S. Bybee for crafting the legal cover for torture, and George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for overseeing it all.
While the idea of a pre-emptive pardon may seem novel, there is precedent. Presidents Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson pardoned Confederate soldiers as a step toward unity and reconstruction after the Civil War. Gerald R. Ford pardoned Richard M. Nixon for the crimes of Watergate. Jimmy Carter pardoned Vietnam War draft resisters.
The spectacle of the president’s granting pardons to torturers still makes my stomach turn. But doing so may be the only way to ensure that the American government never tortures again. Pardons would make clear that crimes were committed; that the individuals who authorized and committed torture were indeed criminals; and that future architects and perpetrators of torture should beware. Prosecutions would be preferable, but pardons may be the only viable and lasting way to close the Pandora’s box of torture once and for all.
A full 180 from what he SHOULD have done, but I've given up long ago that these traitors will face any sanction for their crimes. And I'm pretty sure there are some high-level Democrats that need to be swinging for this too (looking at YOU especially, Nancy Pelosi - enabler, "impeachment off the table" my ass).
Besides, a pardon would be fully lost on fascist assholes like them.
Did Hannity ever get himself water-boarded?
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 16:47:53
Raine on 12/09/2014 16:47:53
George Tenet needs to be put in jail for the rest of his life.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/09/2014 16:49:28
That's horrific!
tbh, after reading that I don't think Bush knew - he was a figurehead they could manipulate, but I bet Cheney knew it all.
wickedpam on 12/09/2014 16:49:28
Quote by Raine:
Holy crap. This is worse than anyone ever thought.
That's horrific!
tbh, after reading that I don't think Bush knew - he was a figurehead they could manipulate, but I bet Cheney knew it all.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 16:53:07
No, he needs to be turned over to The Hague.
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 16:53:07
Quote by Raine:
George Tenet needs to be put in jail for the rest of his life.
No, he needs to be turned over to The Hague.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 16:54:40
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 16:54:40
Copypasta from another site.
Still waiting, Sean Hannity, you Tic-Tac-headed piece of excrement.
3. The CIA Waterboards KSM at Least 183 Times; KSM's Reporting Includes Significant Fabricated Information During these sessions
--
KSM ingested a significant amount of water. CIA records state that KSM's "abdomen was somewhat distended and he expressed water when the abdomen was pressed.##### KSM's gastric contents were so diluted by water that the medical officer present was "not concerned about regurgitated gastric acid damaging KSM's esophagus.The officer was, however, concerned about water intoxication and dilution of electrolytes and requested that the interroga^s use saline in future waterboarding sessions. The medical officer later wrote to ##### that KSM was "ingesting and aspiration [sic] a LOT of water," and that "the new technique we are basically doing a series of near drownings. During the day, KSM was also subjected to the attention grasp, insult slap, abdominal slap, and walling.
--
During the waterboarding sessions that day, the application of the interrogation technique further evolved, with the interrogators now using their hands to maintain a one-inch deep "pool" of water over KSM's nose and mouth in an effort to make it impossible for KSM to ingest all the water being poured.""
Still waiting, Sean Hannity, you Tic-Tac-headed piece of excrement.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 17:10:48
Bush knew of a good portion of it.
Cheney back it up with a fetish.
Now that I have read some of what is in this report, I fully support what the ACLU director is suggestion. Cheney would probably deny the pardon. It's a perfect catch 22.
Raine on 12/09/2014 17:10:48
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Holy crap. This is worse than anyone ever thought.
That's horrific!
tbh, after reading that I don't think Bush knew - he was a figurehead they could manipulate, but I bet Cheney knew it all.
Cheney back it up with a fetish.
Now that I have read some of what is in this report, I fully support what the ACLU director is suggestion. Cheney would probably deny the pardon. It's a perfect catch 22.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 17:11:19
I think Bush and Cheney pulled the USA out of the Hague.
Raine on 12/09/2014 17:11:19
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:
George Tenet needs to be put in jail for the rest of his life.
No, he needs to be turned over to The Hague.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 17:13:14
Raine on 12/09/2014 17:13:14
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 17:24:20
Raine on 12/09/2014 17:24:20
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 18:06:56
Raine on 12/09/2014 18:06:56
I know we all knew it was really bad, but this is just abhorrent. and up until today, many of the right wingers chose to simply ignore all the things we said during those awful terrible years.
They really cannot deny it any more.
and I have a feeling Udall will have the entire thing read into the senate records. HE has nothing to lose on his way out the door.
They really cannot deny it any more.
and I have a feeling Udall will have the entire thing read into the senate records. HE has nothing to lose on his way out the door.
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/09/2014 18:12:11
livingonli on 12/09/2014 18:12:11
Bush's policies made the world hate us, and I'm sure that Bush and Cheney, like Kissinger will never leave the country.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/09/2014 18:19:31
I suspect those that don't care will continue to say it was worth it.
How do we get out humanity back from this?
wickedpam on 12/09/2014 18:19:31
Quote by Raine:
I know we all knew it was really bad, but this is just abhorrent. and up until today, many of the right wingers chose to simply ignore all the things we said during those awful terrible years.
They really cannot deny it any more.
and I have a feeling Udall will have the entire thing read into the senate records. HE has nothing to lose on his way out the door.
I suspect those that don't care will continue to say it was worth it.
How do we get out humanity back from this?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 18:22:23
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2014 18:22:23
And of course, Fux News' leading "story" is Gruber.
Comment by livingonli on 12/09/2014 18:25:40
Reporting the truth is something Fox is uncomfortable with.
livingonli on 12/09/2014 18:25:40
Quote by trojanrabbit:
And of course, Fux News' leading "story" is Gruber.
Reporting the truth is something Fox is uncomfortable with.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 18:30:04
I think honestly what the ACLU is suggesting is the only way to go.
It would be on record that this country acknowledged war crimes.
Raine on 12/09/2014 18:30:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I know we all knew it was really bad, but this is just abhorrent. and up until today, many of the right wingers chose to simply ignore all the things we said during those awful terrible years.
They really cannot deny it any more.
and I have a feeling Udall will have the entire thing read into the senate records. HE has nothing to lose on his way out the door.
I suspect those that don't care will continue to say it was worth it.
How do we get out humanity back from this?
It would be on record that this country acknowledged war crimes.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/09/2014 18:35:55
It just hurts my heart to see injustices be let go. Granted, acknowledging that it happened goes a long way to help healing and maybe get the world to trust us again. It just feels so wrong to let Cheney and those who did this get away with it and live lived of comfort.
wickedpam on 12/09/2014 18:35:55
Quote by Raine:I think honestly what the ACLU is suggesting is the only way to go.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I know we all knew it was really bad, but this is just abhorrent. and up until today, many of the right wingers chose to simply ignore all the things we said during those awful terrible years.
They really cannot deny it any more.
and I have a feeling Udall will have the entire thing read into the senate records. HE has nothing to lose on his way out the door.
I suspect those that don't care will continue to say it was worth it.
How do we get out humanity back from this?
It would be on record that this country acknowledged war crimes.
It just hurts my heart to see injustices be let go. Granted, acknowledging that it happened goes a long way to help healing and maybe get the world to trust us again. It just feels so wrong to let Cheney and those who did this get away with it and live lived of comfort.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 18:39:04
I totally understand that, I do, but when I read that OPED in the NYT it actually seems like this is the only way we will ever see some sort of accountability.
Yes, I damn well want them to be in Jail, but I don't think this is going to happen.
Richard Nixon got a pardon, and than made all of his crimes on the record.
Raine on 12/09/2014 18:39:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I think honestly what the ACLU is suggesting is the only way to go.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I know we all knew it was really bad, but this is just abhorrent. and up until today, many of the right wingers chose to simply ignore all the things we said during those awful terrible years.
They really cannot deny it any more.
and I have a feeling Udall will have the entire thing read into the senate records. HE has nothing to lose on his way out the door.
I suspect those that don't care will continue to say it was worth it.
How do we get out humanity back from this?
It would be on record that this country acknowledged war crimes.
It just hurts my heart to see injustices be let go. Granted, acknowledging that it happened goes a long way to help healing and maybe get the world to trust us again. It just feels so wrong to let Cheney and those who did this get away with it and live lived of comfort.
Yes, I damn well want them to be in Jail, but I don't think this is going to happen.
Richard Nixon got a pardon, and than made all of his crimes on the record.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/09/2014 18:47:47
very true *sigh*
wickedpam on 12/09/2014 18:47:47
Quote by Raine:I totally understand that, I do, but when I read that OPED in the NYT it actually seems like this is the only way we will ever see some sort of accountability.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I think honestly what the ACLU is suggesting is the only way to go.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I know we all knew it was really bad, but this is just abhorrent. and up until today, many of the right wingers chose to simply ignore all the things we said during those awful terrible years.
They really cannot deny it any more.
and I have a feeling Udall will have the entire thing read into the senate records. HE has nothing to lose on his way out the door.
I suspect those that don't care will continue to say it was worth it.
How do we get out humanity back from this?
It would be on record that this country acknowledged war crimes.
It just hurts my heart to see injustices be let go. Granted, acknowledging that it happened goes a long way to help healing and maybe get the world to trust us again. It just feels so wrong to let Cheney and those who did this get away with it and live lived of comfort.
Yes, I damn well want them to be in Jail, but I don't think this is going to happen.
Richard Nixon got a pardon, and than made all of his crimes on the record.
very true *sigh*
Comment by TriSec on 12/09/2014 19:04:43
TriSec on 12/09/2014 19:04:43
I suppose other nations might be justified in declaring war on US. Truly, what is worse than a hypocrite? Any moral high ground we once claimed is irrevocably lost until this is resolved.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 19:27:50
Raine on 12/09/2014 19:27:50
Fugg them all.
The really do hate This country.
The really do hate This country.
“The only motive here could be to embarrass George W. Bush,†said Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), who’s set to replace Feinstein as chairman of the committee next year. “I don’t think that’s the role of the intelligence committee.â€
The current top Republican on the panel, retiring Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), said it’s “pretty clear†the report’s main purpose is to attack Bush. He and other committee Republicans largely avoided cooperating in the preparation of the report, though he and several other panel members did vote to release it this spring.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 21:00:37
Raine on 12/09/2014 21:00:37
Torture also kills the blog?
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 21:09:52
This is nazi type shit here.
Raine on 12/09/2014 21:09:52
Neither psychologist had any experience as an interrogator, nor did either have specialized knowledge of al-Qa'ida, a background in counterterrorism, or any relevant cultural or linguistic expertise.
On the CIA's behalf, the contract psychologists developed theories of interrogation based on "learned helplessness,"^^ and developed the list of enhanced inteiTogation techniques that was approved for use against Abu Zubaydah and subsequent CIA detainees. The psychologists personally conducted interrogations of some of the CIA's most significant detainees using these techniques. They also evaluated whether detainees' psychological state allowed for the continued use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques, including some detainees whom they were themselves interrogating or had interrogated. The psychologists carried out inherently governmental functions, such as acting as liaison between the CIA and foreign intelligence services, assessing the effectiveness of the interrogation program, and participating in the interrogation of detainees in held in foreign government custody.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 21:11:42
Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 21:11:42
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 21:13:31
They are no longer legit psychologists.
I am just catching up with this it has been a salty kind of day. I'm appalled by both the "highlights" from the report and the hyper-partisan Republican response.
Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 21:13:31
Quote by Raine:This is nazi type shit here.Neither psychologist had any experience as an interrogator, nor did either have specialized knowledge of al-Qa'ida, a background in counterterrorism, or any relevant cultural or linguistic expertise.
On the CIA's behalf, the contract psychologists developed theories of interrogation based on "learned helplessness,"^^ and developed the list of enhanced inteiTogation techniques that was approved for use against Abu Zubaydah and subsequent CIA detainees. The psychologists personally conducted interrogations of some of the CIA's most significant detainees using these techniques. They also evaluated whether detainees' psychological state allowed for the continued use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques, including some detainees whom they were themselves interrogating or had interrogated. The psychologists carried out inherently governmental functions, such as acting as liaison between the CIA and foreign intelligence services, assessing the effectiveness of the interrogation program, and participating in the interrogation of detainees in held in foreign government custody.
They are no longer legit psychologists.
I am just catching up with this it has been a salty kind of day. I'm appalled by both the "highlights" from the report and the hyper-partisan Republican response.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/09/2014 21:23:39
no just had to get some work done, still in
mode
wickedpam on 12/09/2014 21:23:39
Quote by Raine:
Torture also kills the blog?
no just had to get some work done, still in
mode
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 21:24:42
They made 81 million bucks for this.
Raine on 12/09/2014 21:24:42
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:This is nazi type shit here.Neither psychologist had any experience as an interrogator, nor did either have specialized knowledge of al-Qa'ida, a background in counterterrorism, or any relevant cultural or linguistic expertise.
On the CIA's behalf, the contract psychologists developed theories of interrogation based on "learned helplessness,"^^ and developed the list of enhanced inteiTogation techniques that was approved for use against Abu Zubaydah and subsequent CIA detainees. The psychologists personally conducted interrogations of some of the CIA's most significant detainees using these techniques. They also evaluated whether detainees' psychological state allowed for the continued use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques, including some detainees whom they were themselves interrogating or had interrogated. The psychologists carried out inherently governmental functions, such as acting as liaison between the CIA and foreign intelligence services, assessing the effectiveness of the interrogation program, and participating in the interrogation of detainees in held in foreign government custody.
They are no longer legit psychologists.
I am just catching up with this it has been a salty kind of day. I'm appalled by both the "highlights" from the report and the hyper-partisan Republican response.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 21:25:56
Which is also appalling. They profited for this stuff. They are horrible, awful people with no moral compass.
Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 21:25:56
Quote by Raine:They made 81 million bucks for this.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:This is nazi type shit here.Neither psychologist had any experience as an interrogator, nor did either have specialized knowledge of al-Qa'ida, a background in counterterrorism, or any relevant cultural or linguistic expertise.
On the CIA's behalf, the contract psychologists developed theories of interrogation based on "learned helplessness,"^^ and developed the list of enhanced inteiTogation techniques that was approved for use against Abu Zubaydah and subsequent CIA detainees. The psychologists personally conducted interrogations of some of the CIA's most significant detainees using these techniques. They also evaluated whether detainees' psychological state allowed for the continued use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques, including some detainees whom they were themselves interrogating or had interrogated. The psychologists carried out inherently governmental functions, such as acting as liaison between the CIA and foreign intelligence services, assessing the effectiveness of the interrogation program, and participating in the interrogation of detainees in held in foreign government custody.
They are no longer legit psychologists.
I am just catching up with this it has been a salty kind of day. I'm appalled by both the "highlights" from the report and the hyper-partisan Republican response.
Which is also appalling. They profited for this stuff. They are horrible, awful people with no moral compass.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 21:26:29
Raine on 12/09/2014 21:26:29
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 21:28:44
On my FB page when Louie does something fuckwitted I try to mock him by being creative in the way I insult him and his stupidity. Not to today, I tagged him as I always do and straight up called him a fuckwit.
Mondobubba on 12/09/2014 21:28:44
Quote by Raine:That's pretty hard to do but damn he did it.Quote by Mondobubba:
Louie Gohmert hits a new low.
On my FB page when Louie does something fuckwitted I try to mock him by being creative in the way I insult him and his stupidity. Not to today, I tagged him as I always do and straight up called him a fuckwit.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2014 21:39:02
Finally getting to watching it! Here is a link that is still working… thanks for this Mondo! 
Raine on 12/09/2014 21:39:02
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So, this happened: