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Habeus Corpus Delicti
Author: BobR    Date: 06/13/2008 12:05:10

Yesterday, the SCOTUS upheld the long-held rule of Habeus Corpus for the detainees in Gitmo, striking a blow to Bush's attempts to lock them up and throw away the key without so much as an arraignment. How long held is the idea of Habeus Corpus, and what exactly does it mean? From the Wiki:

'Habeas corpus' (IPA: /ˈheɪbiəs ˈkɔɹpəs/) (Latin: [We command] that you have the body) is the name of a legal action, or writ, through which a person can seek relief from unlawful detention of themselves or another person. The writ of habeas corpus has historically been an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action.

Also known as "The Great Writ," a writ of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum is a summons with the force of a court order addressed to the custodian (such as a prison official) demanding that a prisoner be brought before the court, together with proof of authority, allowing the court to determine whether that custodian has lawful authority to hold that person, or, if not, the person should be released from custody. The prisoner, or another person on their behalf (for example, where the prisoner is being held incommunicado), may petition the court or an individual judge for a writ of habeas corpus.

The right to petition for a writ of habeas corpus has long been celebrated as the most efficient safeguard of the liberty of the subject...

... Blackstone cites the first recorded usage of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum in 1305, during the reign of King Edward I. However, other writs were issued with the same effect as early as the reign of Henry II in the 12th century. Blackstone explained the basis of the writ, saying:

“ The King is at all times entitled to have an account, why the liberty of any of his subjects is restrained, wherever that restraint may be inflicted. ”

The procedure for the issuing of writs of habeas corpus was first codified by the Habeas Corpus Act 1679, following judicial rulings which had restricted the effectiveness of the writ. A previous act had been passed in 1640 to overturn a ruling that the command of the King was a sufficient answer to a petition of habeas corpus.

So the codified basic tenet of justice that one may have one's day in court predates the birth of our country by over a century, and in practice by a couple more. Through every war that the United States have engaged in, begining with the Revolution, this principle has been in place. At no time in the past has it endangered our safety.

Justice Kennedy said as much in his majority opinion:
The laws and Constitution are designed to survive, and remain in force, in extraordinary times. Liberty and security can be reconciled; and in our system they are reconciled within the framework of the law.

The dissenting opinion from Scalia is stunning:
The game of bait-and-switch that today's opinion plays upon the nation's commander in chief will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed. That consequence would be tolerable if necessary to preserve a time-honored legal principle vital to our constitutional republic. But it is this court's blatant abandonment of such a principle that produces the decision today...

...The nation will live to regret what the court has done today.

I don't think so.

Naturally, poor Bush is upset that the checks and balances of a trialateral government system sometimes doesn't allow him to get his way. He pouted:
"We'll abide by the court's decision," Bush said during a news conference in Rome. "That doesn't mean I have to agree with it."...

"It was a deeply divided court, and I strongly agree with those who dissented," Bush said. "And that dissent was based upon their serious concerns about U.S. national security."

Bush said his administration will study the ruling. "We'll do this with this in mind — to determine whether or not additional legislation might be appropriate so we can safely say to the American people, 'We're doing everything we can to protect you.'"

Additional leglislation? Where does he think THAT'S going to come from? There is absolutely no way the Democratic-led congress is going to create any legislation to restrict human rights. Bush is just going to have to suck it up, and realize even the kings in medieval times didn't have the power he wants.

One additional thing this ruling DOES point out is just how important the upcoming election is. How different would this have turned out if McCain had appointed a justice to the court? The reactions by the candidates themselves tells that story:
In a campaign dominated by the economy and the Iraq War, the Supreme Court's 5-4 ruling Thursday on detainees at Guantanamo marks a forceful reminder that John McCain promises one course and Barack Obama pledges another in picking future justices.

In the current controversy, McCain quickly expressed his disapproval of the opinion, while Obama issued a statement of support. It fell to outsiders to point out the broader implications in the race for the White House.

"With the replacement of a single justice from the majority ... today's four dissenters could become tomorrow's majority," said Nan Aron of the Alliance For Justice. The group supported the court's decision, which said detainees in the war on terror held at Guantanamo have the constitutional right to challenge their incarceration in the federal courts.

Security must exist "in fidelity to freedom's first principles," wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy for a majority seeking to balance the nation's security needs with individual rights enshrined in the Constitution. He went on to criticize the Bush administration and Congress for yielding too much to the former at the expense of the latter.

Of the five justices who created a majority in the case of the Guantanamo detainees, Justice John Paul Stevens is 88, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 75, and David Souter and Stephen Breyer are each 69. Kennedy is 71.

Our very Constitution - not safety from terrorists - is at stake here, and this case proves it. McCain CANNOT win in November.


 

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Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 13:01:40
'tis a happy morning here in the Hub...



TriSec is fairly stunned. (but I still have beautiful plumage.)





Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 13:06:17
What. A. Game.



That's all I got, Tri. Kinda makes up for going to bed late and getting to work a half hour late.

Comment by m-hadley on 06/13/2008 13:08:18
Great Post BobR,

Happy Friday the 13th Everybody! :coffee:

Stay safe.

Cheers,

mfaye :P



Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 13:08:26
First thing you see this morning when you open up DailyKos... heh



http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/mccaindumbinternetnd8.jpg


Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 13:12:50
John McCain is an Abba fan?



I rest my case.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 13:22:23
Good morning! I am gonna miss the first half of momma today.. :kickcan:



Why are you stunned Tri?? Whaddeye miss?

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 13:23:15
Oh, yeah... the basketball game!

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 13:23:43
Morning all! 'Nother day off............. slept in. Would still be in bed if it weren't for the dog howling for her walk.



yap, yap, yap.............

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 13:35:49
Bon matin mes amis.



The harder it is for me to get up, the more I wish I had a normal schedule.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 13:39:14
Quote by livingonli:

Bon matin mes amis.



The harder it is for me to get up, the more I wish I had a normal schedule.




Well, I must admit, that I sometimes............ sometimes miss the long hours, late nights and stale coffee in the dark, musty theater; where you never know what time it is, or if its still light outside!

:lol:



I rarely miss the long, boring hours on the film sets. Too much food and time to kill makes me too fat!

:wacko:



Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 13:41:39
Bush is speaking in Paris.



Can someone please pelt him with a rotten tomato.

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 13:42:53
Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by livingonli:

Bon matin mes amis.



The harder it is for me to get up, the more I wish I had a normal schedule.




Well, I must admit, that I sometimes............ sometimes miss the long hours, late nights and stale coffee in the dark, musty theater; where you never know what time it is, or if its still light outside!

:lol:



I rarely miss the long, boring hours on the film sets. Too much food and time to kill makes me too fat!

:wacko:



The craft services truck is not your friend.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 13:44:47
Morning :hug:

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 13:45:21
Aunt Azalea is on a RANT!! And she has some very interesting insights. I am trying to get her to write this Sunday's blog post as a guest. But having trouble.



Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 13:50:20




(Dang - I never thought I'd have ocassion to use that drop again!)

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 13:50:22
Please if we reached out any farther we'd be stretch armstong.

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 13:50:30
Good morning Mala.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 13:50:42
STOP THE ABBA!!!



http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/violent009.gif


Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 13:52:17
Quote by velveeta jones:

Aunt Azalea is on a RANT!! And she has some very interesting insights. I am trying to get her to write this Sunday's blog post as a guest. But having trouble.



She has to come out of her shell and let the world know how she's feel.

Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 13:53:41
*sigh*



A Tuba is a bass instrument; you play chords and pedals and there is little contribution to the melody, owing to the instrument's limited range.



A Bari Sax, on the other hand, has a much greater range, and in the proper hands it is not a pedal/chord instrument and may be used to solo or even play lead, depending on the tune.



Harry Carney and Gerry Mulligan are noted practitioners of this craft.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 13:56:33
Why don't we just blow up Alaska and drill to our hearts content!?! Frankly, we could use a bit more blue space in the Union Blue part of the flag!



:rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 13:56:56
Sean Hannity is the living, breathing talking point. Zombies won't eat his brains because there's nothing to pick out.

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 13:59:28
On Rotten Tomatoes, the Incredible Hulk got 72% while the Happening only got 22%.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 13:59:31
Quote by TriSec:

*sigh*



A Tuba is a bass instrument; you play chords and pedals and there is little contribution to the melody, owing to the instrument's limited range.



A Bari Sax, on the other hand, has a much greater range, and in the proper hands it is not a pedal/chord instrument and may be used to solo or even play lead, depending on the tune.



Harry Carney and Gerry Mulligan are noted practitioners of this craft.




And Steven "The Funky Doctor" Kupka...



Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 14:01:16
Wow 'veeta where'd you find that emoticon!

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 14:06:46
Yikes! Susan Atkins getting out?



:wacko:



As I recall, she was the one that said she had so much fun stabbing the bodies, that it was no different than stabbing pillows.



:puke:



The "mean part" of me wants to say, "die quickly bitch"............ but I won't say it!





Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 14:07:05
Ha...Ha...



I know i had something important to say. Damn...I forgot it.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 14:08:03
Quote by Scoopster:

Wow 'veeta where'd you find that emoticon!






FreeSmileys.org Violent page............ my favorite! :lol:

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 14:12:10
Scoopster, this one is a tad twisted though:



http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/violent029.gif


Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 14:13:42
the Doors one was funny

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 14:18:31
Quote by TriSec:

*sigh*



A Tuba is a bass instrument; you play chords and pedals and there is little contribution to the melody, owing to the instrument's limited range.



A Bari Sax, on the other hand, has a much greater range, and in the proper hands it is not a pedal/chord instrument and may be used to solo or even play lead, depending on the tune.



Harry Carney and Gerry Mulligan are noted practitioners of this craft.


:huh: How do you play chords on a brass instrument?



And what's this about "pedals"?... is that what the button thingies are called?



Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 14:18:38
Ha!



http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/sw022.gif


Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 14:20:08
OK, maybe 'roots' would be a better term.



The Pedal would be the bass key an octave below. I can't play it on my horn (high brass) but the low brass sounds in the bass clef, or in the case of the tuba, an octave below it. (or the pedal).





Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 14:36:52
...the SMS Live blog is a scary place.

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 14:39:37
Quote by Random:

...the SMS Live blog is a scary place.


Don't worry, it's only Donnie's Hamster.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 14:41:10
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

...the SMS Live blog is a scary place.


Don't worry, it's only Donnie's Hamster.


you do know that's a fack Donnie right? the website is wrong.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 14:41:53
Hey swiped these from Democratic Underground but I could get them to show up here so heres a link instead





fist bump 1







fist bump 2

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 14:49:20
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Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 14:51:02
Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

...the SMS Live blog is a scary place.


Don't worry, it's only Donnie's Hamster.


you do know that's a fack Donnie right? the website is wrong.


The fake Donnie has resulted in a Donnie pile-on.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 14:54:42
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

...the SMS Live blog is a scary place.


Don't worry, it's only Donnie's Hamster.


you do know that's a fack Donnie right? the website is wrong.


The fake Donnie has resulted in a Donnie pile-on.


I like it. He's kind of duped half the board.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 14:56:49
Morning Mon peeps.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 14:57:56
Quote by Random:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/Wicked_Pam/Fistbump-2.gif




Thank you - I'm having issues...



Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 14:58:36
Hey Mondo

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 15:00:21
Good morning Mondo.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 15:04:56
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/Wicked_Pam/Fistbump-2.gif




Thank you - I'm having issues...



I'm trying to make it my lil name avi...thingie.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 15:05:25
Cool! Fist bumps, I'm adding them and using them on those "other" boards were RW trolls are ever-present.



BTW my friends (snicker, its hard to use that, with McCain saying it all the time). As most of you know, I'm a Disaster Relief volunteer with the ARC and I am on standby to be sent out for the floods/tornados.



I'll let you know, but if I go, I'll be gone for at least 3 weeks.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 15:07:11
Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/Wicked_Pam/Fistbump-2.gif




Thank you - I'm having issues...



I'm trying to make it my lil name avi...thingie.




I think it has to be added to our emoticons first - not sure though



Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 15:07:32
Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/Wicked_Pam/Fistbump-2.gif




Thank you - I'm having issues...



I'm trying to make it my lil name avi...thingie.


Bobber will have to add them to the 'cons on the left.



Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 15:08:22
VA denies Afghanistan vet disability, cites reason as MEMBERSHIP IN VOTEVTES.ORG



:rage:



Edit: Need more anger.

:rage: :rage:

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Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:08:26
Back! I do not like going to banks...

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 15:08:37
Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/Wicked_Pam/Fistbump-2.gif




Thank you - I'm having issues...



I'm trying to make it my lil name avi...thingie.


Bobber will have to add them to the 'cons on the left.



pretty much. That's how it works. You can keep the one until BobR adds the fistjab. Hint, Hint to BobR.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 15:09:23
: scans blog: Oh free smileys. Me likee!







Well, that went South very quickly. :shrug:

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 15:09:56
Quote by Raine:

Back! I do not like going to banks...


Was it the line or the service? I know I have to make a trip once I get my rebate check.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:10:53
I am gonna add the :fistbump: to the emoticons!

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 15:11:04
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/Wicked_Pam/Fistbump-2.gif




Thank you - I'm having issues...



I'm trying to make it my lil name avi...thingie.


Bobber will have to add them to the 'cons on the left.



pretty much. That's how it works. You can keep the one until BobR adds the fistjab. Hint, Hint to BobR.


I think....

Only if he calls it a terrorist fist jab.

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 15:12:06
Quote by TriSec:

OK, maybe 'roots' would be a better term.



The Pedal would be the bass key an octave below. I can't play it on my horn (high brass) but the low brass sounds in the bass clef, or in the case of the tuba, an octave below it. (or the pedal).





I never heard it referred to as the "pedal" before... interesting.



So what's the range above the treble clef called?



Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 15:14:00


I knew a couple band geeks in High School that used to play "Dueling Tubas".

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 15:14:46
Quote by Raine:

Back! I do not like going to banks...






Why? don't you like interfacing with the Man?

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 15:15:10
Quote by Raine:

I am gonna add the :fistbump: to the emoticons!




Glad I found it then :D



The folks at DU said use and share it well



Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 15:17:10
OMG!! That is a horrifying story Scoopster!! MotherF*ckers!!





Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 15:18:19
I don't believe the range above the treble clef has any particular name...



I'll yield the point on jazz tuba; don't know the musician. My experience with tuba is almost solely in the classical realm, and I only know of a couple of pieces where tuba has a lead role.



But yeah, you can play jazz on just about anything.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 15:19:19
I don't know if this might be helpful on the "pedal" term.



It comes from the olden-days when composers started to transcribe music written for the organ to an orchestral setting. The bass clef (8va) in organ music was played on the Pedals of the organ.



When transcribed to other multi-instrumental settings, certain instruments (key among them, the Tuba) were given the lines originally play on the organ pedals - thus they got the term "pedal instruments" -- include among them many of the other contra-bass instruments (bassoon, clarinet)

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 15:20:15
Off for a bit. Back later ya'll.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 15:20:16
Quote by BobR:

Quote by TriSec:

OK, maybe 'roots' would be a better term.



The Pedal would be the bass key an octave below. I can't play it on my horn (high brass) but the low brass sounds in the bass clef, or in the case of the tuba, an octave below it. (or the pedal).





I never heard it referred to as the "pedal" before... interesting.



So what's the range above the treble clef called?







Bobber, Tri's talking about pedal point.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 15:20:53
Quote by TriSec:

I don't believe the range above the treble clef has any particular name...



I'll yield the point on jazz tuba; don't know the musician. My experience with tuba is almost solely in the classical realm, and I only know of a couple of pieces where tuba has a lead role.



But yeah, you can play jazz on just about anything.




Clefs (lowest to highest) - contra-bass clef, bass clef, tenor clef, alto clef, treble clef, soprano clef



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:21:26
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

I am gonna add the :fistbump: to the emoticons!




Glad I found it then :D



The folks at DU said use and share it well

It will be ( : fbump : )



I saw them the other day, and then I could not find them again... Excellent snag mala.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 15:23:42
For our Lye-barrian, Library Bitch

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 15:24:35
Question - When Obama wins how many people will be in town to see the inaguartion(sp)?

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 15:26:16
Quote by TriSec:

I don't believe the range above the treble clef has any particular name...



I'll yield the point on jazz tuba; don't know the musician. My experience with tuba is almost solely in the classical realm, and I only know of a couple of pieces where tuba has a lead role.



But yeah, you can play jazz on just about anything.






I have one of his albums. It was during my First Foray Into Jazz Period of the early 80s. A sad and twisted period, of which I will not say more.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:28:50
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

Back! I do not like going to banks...






Why? don't you like interfacing with the Man?
Actually, no, I don't. Altho this woman was very nice, once we got over the fact that I was not a happy camper.



we celebrated our differences.... :lol:



Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 15:30:45
Quote by Shane-O:

I don't know if this might be helpful on the "pedal" term.



It comes from the olden-days when composers started to transcribe music written for the organ to an orchestral setting. The bass clef (8va) in organ music was played on the Pedals of the organ.



When transcribed to other multi-instrumental settings, certain instruments (key among them, the Tuba) were given the lines originally play on the organ pedals - thus they got the term "pedal instruments" -- include among them many of the other contra-bass instruments (bassoon, clarinet)


I kind of assumed that's where it came from (the Fabulous Fox theatre in Atlanta has an organ with 3 octaves of pedals!!).



I did not know that the name was thus applied to the instruments or the musical staff area.



Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 15:31:06
The Random Owns ya'lls souls.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 15:33:32
THought this site was interesting -



CitizenJane - Compare Your Candidates

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 15:35:37
Not torture to me - I like ABBA :dance:





OMG! Flowers in the Attic!!!! :rofl:

Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 15:36:17
You do realize that only on this blog would we have had that conversation...



4F....leading the way in eclectism! (is that a word??)



Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 15:37:21
Quote by BobR:



I kind of assumed that's where it came from (the Fabulous Fox theatre in Atlanta has an organ with 3 octaves of pedals!!).



I did not know that the name was thus applied to the instruments or the musical staff area.





SO COOL! -- Ya just want to jog around on - like a Neal Peart of the Pipe Organ



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:37:40
I WOKE up with an ABBA earworm... the first thing in my head when I awoke... ABBA. I can't remember which song now, but I was singing it.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 15:38:03
*snort* "your Black Up Girls" :spit:

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:38:22
THAT WAS IT! Take a Chance! I woke up, fell out of bed with TAKE A CHANCE in my head!!!

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:39:57
Quote by Scoopster:

VA denies Afghanistan vet disability, cites reason as MEMBERSHIP IN VOTEVTES.ORG



:rage:



Edit: Need more anger.

:rage: :rage:

:rage: :rage:

:rage: :rage:

:rage: :rage:

:rage: :rage:

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And John McCain get's 58,000 bucks a year for his disability??



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 15:40:52
:fbumb: Testing.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 15:42:31
Quote by Mondobubba:

:fbump: Testing.




fixed for ya



Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 15:42:38
Quote by wickedpam:

Question - When Obama wins how many people will be in town to see the inaguartion(sp)?


I'd be there. I don't care if there's three feet of snow forecast that day.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:44:18
Quote by velveeta jones:

Aunt Azalea is on a RANT!! And she has some very interesting insights. I am trying to get her to write this Sunday's blog post as a guest. But having trouble.

Aunti Azalea can open up a blog whenever she wants! I love her rants!



Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 15:44:30
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Question - When Obama wins how many people will be in town to see the inaguartion(sp)?


I'd be there. I don't care if there's three feet of snow forecast that day.


I'd go...but i'll probably be in Arizona, cursing i'd be stuck with McCain as a senator.

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 15:47:13
I'll probably just end up watching the inaugural on TV. Not big on traveling in the middle of winter.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:49:04
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Question - When Obama wins how many people will be in town to see the inaguartion(sp)?


I'd be there. I don't care if there's three feet of snow forecast that day.


We will be there. We are thinking about booking a room as soon as we can. (I suspect they are already filling up)



Not to NOT spread the love, but I don't wanna go thru the meetup drama... the inauguration will be too chaotic I think, to go thru the stuff we went thru to get together last time. I am putting this out there now, everyone who wants to go, get a room, and we get together IF we can.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 15:49:53






Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 15:50:32
Don't like traveling in Winter either so I understand.



I was just curious if anyone besides me would be here for that day. I was thinking of taking the metro down to see it. Last one I saw was Clinton's second - it was massive.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:51:09
Quote by Random:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Question - When Obama wins how many people will be in town to see the inaguartion(sp)?


I'd be there. I don't care if there's three feet of snow forecast that day.


I'd go...but i'll probably be in Arizona, cursing i'd be stuck with McCain as a senator.


ARIZONA? you moving there?



I thought you was in Florida?



Raine confused.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 15:51:24
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Question - When Obama wins how many people will be in town to see the inaguartion(sp)?


I'd be there. I don't care if there's three feet of snow forecast that day.


We will be there. We are thinking about booking a room as soon as we can. (I suspect they are already filling up)



Not to NOT spread the love, but I don't wanna go thru the meetup drama... the inauguration will be too chaotic I think, to go thru the stuff we went thru to get together last time. I am putting this out there now, everyone who wants to go, get a room, and we get together IF we can.





sounds like a good plan :D



Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 15:51:37
Quote by Mondobubba:







I didn't say Rush - I keep Peart separate.



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:53:28
Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/Wicked_Pam/Fistbump-2.gif




Thank you - I'm having issues...



I'm trying to make it my lil name avi...thingie.


Bobber will have to add them to the 'cons on the left.

:poke: Raine can too!!!



Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 15:53:28
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Question - When Obama wins how many people will be in town to see the inaguartion(sp)?


I'd be there. I don't care if there's three feet of snow forecast that day.


I'd go...but i'll probably be in Arizona, cursing i'd be stuck with McCain as a senator.


ARIZONA? you moving there?



I thought you was in Florida?



Raine confused.


The school i wanna go to is in Arizona.



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:54:46
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Question - When Obama wins how many people will be in town to see the inaguartion(sp)?


I'd be there. I don't care if there's three feet of snow forecast that day.


I'd go...but i'll probably be in Arizona, cursing i'd be stuck with McCain as a senator.


ARIZONA? you moving there?



I thought you was in Florida?



Raine confused.


The school i wanna go to is in Arizona.

COOL!



Arizona is fast turning Blue you know. I don't think Johnnie will win the next election... They DO NOT like him there at all.



Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 15:57:13
Quote by Raine:

COOL!



Arizona is fast turning Blue you know. I don't think Johnnie will win the next election... They DO NOT like him there at all.





Arizona is suppose to be really nice too.

That and the college looks soooooo cool..

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 15:57:40
Quote by velveeta jones:

STOP THE ABBA!!!



http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/violent009.gif




I gotta add this one.



Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 15:59:55
Quote by Raine:

[COOL!



Arizona is fast turning Blue you know. I don't think Johnnie will win the next election... They DO NOT like him there at all.



The more he clutches himself to Bush's bosom, the less popular he becomes.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 16:05:36
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by BobR:



I kind of assumed that's where it came from (the Fabulous Fox theatre in Atlanta has an organ with 3 octaves of pedals!!).



I did not know that the name was thus applied to the instruments or the musical staff area.





SO COOL! -- Ya just want to jog around on - like a Neal Peart of the Pipe Organ







Is is just me, am I the only one on the blog that thinks Rush sucks ass? Sucks massive ass? Pompous, pretentious, bloated , boring, kitschy overly musical crap. A band that revels in the look at us we can play more than three chords school of prog rock. You can't dance to it.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 16:07:51
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Mondobubba:







I didn't say Rush - I keep Peart separate.





He is one third of the evil that is Rush.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 16:12:00
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Mondobubba:







I didn't say Rush - I keep Peart separate.





He is one third of the evil that is Rush.


I understand the stong feelings. Many share them. I simply respect the difficulty of set playing in mixed meter.



More of a technical thing than a taste thing.



Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 16:18:39
Quote by Mondobubba:







Is is just me, am I the only one on the blog that thinks Rush sucks ass? Sucks massive ass? Pompous, pretentious, bloated , boring, kitschy overly musical crap. A band that revels in the look at us we can play more than three chords school of prog rock. You can't dance to it.


I like Rush on a certain level, but they aren't may favorites. I always hated Geddy Lee's voice because it's about an octave above the top of my range, making their music impossible to sing along to.



Of course, you can't dance or sing to jazz. Yet somehow THAT kind of Pompous, pretentious, "look at us we can play more than three chords" kind of music seems okay with you...



Hmmmm....



Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 16:20:41
We should get 4F sweatshirts for the 1/19/2009 - 1/20/2009 festivities. Raine can design them and put them up on Cafe Press.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 16:26:45
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Is is just me, am I the only one on the blog that thinks Rush sucks ass? Sucks massive ass? Pompous, pretentious, bloated , boring, kitschy overly musical crap. A band that revels in the look at us we can play more than three chords school of prog rock. You can't dance to it.


I like Rush on a certain level, but they aren't may favorites. I always hated Geddy Lee's voice because it's about an octave above the top of my range, making their music impossible to sing along to.



Of course, you can't dance or sing to jazz. Yet somehow THAT kind of Pompous, pretentious, "look at us we can play more than three chords" kind of music seems okay with you...



Hmmmm....


I'll say it - I'm a Rush fan. My half-brother got me into their older stuff, then when I was in high school they released Roll The Bones which is somewhere in my personal top 20 albums of all time.. Their newer stuff isn't as good musically, but Peart never disappoints with the lyrics.



...though I did just get their new CD and I think it's bordering on Protest Album status.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 16:28:35
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Mondobubba:







Is is just me, am I the only one on the blog that thinks Rush sucks ass? Sucks massive ass? Pompous, pretentious, bloated , boring, kitschy overly musical crap. A band that revels in the look at us we can play more than three chords school of prog rock. You can't dance to it.


I like Rush on a certain level, but they aren't may favorites. I always hated Geddy Lee's voice because it's about an octave above the top of my range, making their music impossible to sing along to.



Of course, you can't dance or sing to jazz. Yet somehow THAT kind of Pompous, pretentious, "look at us we can play more than three chords" kind of music seems okay with you...



Hmmmm....







Hmm you can't dance to Chick Webb's band? Then why were they the house band at the Savoy ballroom? :headscratch: Same thing with Duke Ellington and the Basie band.



There is nary a chord played on John Coltrane's "Ascension" Bucky. :rofl:

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 16:30:23
Quote by BobR:

We should get 4F sweatshirts for the 1/19/2009 - 1/20/2009 festivities. Raine can design them and put them up on Cafe Press.
For those that are NOT on the facebook,and for those that are... there is an event to be held at the White house Called: "George W. Bush's Last Day as President"



So far over 50,000 people plan on attending. I said the 4F will be representing. As I get more details, I will post it here, but so far is looks like a gathering of friends, simply friends in DC...



I will post the information here... Cause I know we have people who just are not that into the facebook. And That is totally cool, I understand... I have a love hate relationship with it myself.

(psst....Momma said she is gonna be there!!)



Host: Everyone that dislikes Bush's policies. Everyone else can just leave.

Type: Party - Goodbye Party

Time and Place Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00pm - 1:00pm

Location: White House

City/Town: Washington, DC



Description

Ok.....To start off, if you don't like the idea of this event, then don't "attend" it. Seriously, everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that I don't like our current president. I don't agree with his policies and some of the decisions he has made in office. Your opinion may be, and I quote, "You are an idiot". Thank you to that person and you know who you are. And to that same person, although I may be younger than you are, I sure know a lot about politics. Don't judge a book by its cover. I followed the whole election and I don't think you can sink any lower by telling someone your junior what they don't know. How dare you. Seriously. Come on man. I am just stating my opinion like so many other Facebook® groups and events out there. Like I said, if you don't like it, then just keep it to yourself. And much thanks to the one who corrected my spelling error ;)



Thanks so much for those of you who have given positive feedback, those who have posted links and the ongoing discussions on the wall! Keep it up and soon I will launch a website. Keep a look out for it, and I always welcome POSITIVE criticism and comments are most definitely welcome!



I RSVP'd...Everyone is allowed to bring guests.. NO limit. I love this idea, I really do.







Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 16:31:15
Oh can't sing jazz? I give you a list of jazz vocalists

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 16:35:04
I like Rush. I had to walk away from them cause the classic Rock Station just played a few of their songs WAY to much.



Not an aficionado, Granted, but they are fun, and I like the lyrics.



So scoop, I know you have mentioned the new album before, it really is a protesty feeling album? I love that.

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 16:36:42
My brother just came by my desk and said:



This is the worst flooding that Iowa has ever seen. Where are all the fundamentalists declaring that God is punishing them for their wickedness?





Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 16:42:48
Quote by Mondobubba:







Hmm you can't dance to Chick Webb's band? Then why were they the house band at the Savoy ballroom? :headscratch: Same thing with Duke Ellington and the Basie band.



There is nary a chord played on John Coltrane's "Ascension" Bucky. :rofl:


Sure you can find some jazz here and there that can be described as "mainstream", just like Rush has some songs that are radio friendly.



But let's be honest here: Jazz is musical masturbation. What most people think of as "typical" jazz is everyone in the band taking mostly improvisational solos to a basic musical background that can barely be called a "song".



So if you're going to call out Rush for being pompous, pretentious, and excessive, it sounds to me like you are describing jazz to a "T". It's the same thing.



Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 16:44:21
Quote by Mondobubba:

Oh can't sing jazz? I give you a list of jazz vocalists


Can YOU sing along to jazz songs on the radio? That's what I meant.



But thank you for playing "twist my words".

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 16:52:38
I want Bernie Sanders to Run for president someday.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 16:53:51
Quote by BobR:

My brother just came by my desk and said:



This is the worst flooding that Iowa has ever seen. Where are all the fundamentalists declaring that God is punishing them for their wickedness?



Touche!



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 16:56:34
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Oh can't sing jazz? I give you a list of jazz vocalists


Can YOU sing along to jazz songs on the radio? That's what I meant.



But thank you for playing "twist my words".




If that is what you meant why didn't you say it? Of course I used that as an opening, any good rhetorician would have. You have watched enough talking heads on TV to see how it is done :)



I'm pretty good at "twist my words" aren't I? I only use my powers for good.



Of course I keed! I keep because I love Bob.



I think that Tri & I will have to celebrate our differences with you on the jazz issue.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 17:00:23
I was never on the debate team or nuttin' by the way. I'm just good at it.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 17:02:03
Cheesus! I bet almost none of those people in Cedar Rapids have flood insurance.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 17:10:06
Oh crud.. I closed my browser window and lost all my... er.. "work".

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 17:11:38
I have WGN news on and they were showing a lot of flooding in the Chicago area.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 17:14:23
Now Playing: Type O Negative / Black #1 :devilbanana:



(wait a sec.. how does this song qualify as "classic alternative"???!)

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 17:17:49
Quote by Mondobubba:

I was never on the debate team or nuttin' by the way. I'm just good at it.


you sure about that???



:rofl:



I keed cause I lerve.

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 17:25:51
Quote by Mondobubba:





If that is what you meant why didn't you say it? Of course I used that as an opening, any good rhetorician would have. You have watched enough talking heads on TV to see how it is done :)



I'm pretty good at "twist my words" aren't I? I only use my powers for good.



Of course I keed! I keep because I love Bob.



I think that Tri & I will have to celebrate our differences with you on the jazz issue.


I said "you can't dance or sing to jazz". Of course I was talking about the average music fan, not a musical professional. I guess I'll have to spell everything out for you in the future... :rolleyes2:



btw - being good at twisting words really isn't a good thing. It's a poor substitute for valid arguments. :P

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 17:33:14
Your all pretty - now stop. :modbat:

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 17:36:15
So... it looks like we hav a serious issue going on in Iowa. 20 thousand people have been evacuated in Cedar City, Des Moines is up next.



Liv is reporting of flooding in Chicago... WTF is going on?



And where the hell is FEMA??? Emergency management? Anyone?

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 17:38:52
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Mondobubba:





If that is what you meant why didn't you say it? Of course I used that as an opening, any good rhetorician would have. You have watched enough talking heads on TV to see how it is done :)



I'm pretty good at "twist my words" aren't I? I only use my powers for good.



Of course I keed! I keep because I love Bob.



I think that Tri & I will have to celebrate our differences with you on the jazz issue.


I said "you can't dance or sing to jazz". Of course I was talking about the average music fan, not a musical professional. I guess I'll have to spell everything out for you in the future... :rolleyes2:



btw - being good at twisting words really isn't a good thing. It's a poor substitute for valid arguments. :P






Bob you didn't know I was a semi-pro wiseass? Why not? :rofl:





In other new, today is my 21st anniversary. :cry:

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 17:41:02
2,000 year old Seed Grows into a tree.



Awesome. Simply awesome.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 17:41:18
Quote by Raine:

So... it looks like we hav a serious issue going on in Iowa. 20 thousand people have been evacuated in Cedar City, Des Moines is up next.



Liv is reporting of flooding in Chicago... WTF is going on?



And where the hell is FEMA??? Emergency management? Anyone?






actually the flooding is in the far NW burbs. I was watching the same newscast as Liv. He can attest that the woman who was reporting from the field had the weirdest eyes I've ever seen. They looked like they were the flesh colored. It was creepy!



FEMA? FEMA? :rofl:

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 17:43:06
Quote by Raine:

So... it looks like we hav a serious issue going on in Iowa. 20 thousand people have been evacuated in Cedar City, Des Moines is up next.



Liv is reporting of flooding in Chicago... WTF is going on?



And where the hell is FEMA??? Emergency management? Anyone?


tornadoes too.



C'mon folks, you can say it: "Global Climate Change"



The Day After Tomorrow is getting closer to reality all the time.







Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 17:45:18
Quote by Raine:

2,000 year old Seed Grows into a tree.



Awesome. Simply awesome.






... and then one of the scientist's cats peed on the tree and killed it. :rofl:

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 17:45:54
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

So... it looks like we hav a serious issue going on in Iowa. 20 thousand people have been evacuated in Cedar City, Des Moines is up next.



Liv is reporting of flooding in Chicago... WTF is going on?



And where the hell is FEMA??? Emergency management? Anyone?


tornadoes too.



C'mon folks, you can say it: "Global Climate Change"



The Day After Tomorrow is getting closer to reality all the time.











If I remember right the basis of that movie came from a report of what some climatiologist(sp) and metorologists thought would happen.



Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 17:47:51
:burp:



Back from a looooong lunch at the delightful Casa de Pedro...



A fave of us Athenistas since the day he opened.









Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 17:54:06
I think I'm going to have to drive to Atlanta with my Big Band collection.



Can't dance to Jazz. : spits :







Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 18:03:03
Oh, rereading below again. The "average" music fan isn't a music fan; they know nothing of melody or harmonic structure. It's purely rhythm.



This is more a product of the piss-poor music education system in this country. I can't cut and paste because it's a PDF, but noted Jazz musician and teacher Jamey Aebersold has much to say about that in his white paper on ear training.



Papa TriSec and I have discussed this at length....it's true. Ask your average joe anything about music and it's "it sounds nice". Nothing wrong with that (as Ellington will tell you) but understanding why something sounds nice is the key to the whole thing...you'll enjoy your music all the more having even a basic understanding of how it's constructed.





Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 18:21:50
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

So... it looks like we hav a serious issue going on in Iowa. 20 thousand people have been evacuated in Cedar City, Des Moines is up next.



Liv is reporting of flooding in Chicago... WTF is going on?



And where the hell is FEMA??? Emergency management? Anyone?






actually the flooding is in the far NW burbs. I was watching the same newscast as Liv. He can attest that the woman who was reporting from the field had the weirdest eyes I've ever seen. They looked like they were the flesh colored. It was creepy!



FEMA? FEMA? :rofl:


You were talking about how Holly (forgot her last name) who was out in the field (or will it be lake). I thought she was kind of cute in an odd way.



As for The Day After Tomorrow scenario, that might be a good incentive to move away. Find someplace inland because under that scenario NYC and Long Island will be under water.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 18:26:32
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

2,000 year old Seed Grows into a tree.



Awesome. Simply awesome.






... and then one of the scientist's cats peed on the tree and killed it. :rofl:


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/skewpster/themadprof.jpg


Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 18:31:36




YEah, Johnnie said he would be too old to run in '08.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 18:33:09
Laura Ingraham tells Billo She has been FORCED off the Radio.



She has been fired. No more Laura. BUH bye.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 18:35:16
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

2,000 year old Seed Grows into a tree.



Awesome. Simply awesome.






... and then one of the scientist's cats peed on the tree and killed it. :rofl:


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/skewpster/themadprof.jpg






:rofl:

Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 18:41:35
Weekly Joke Review...

From Blue Mass Group:



The Tweeter Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield has been renamed the Comcast Center. All shows will now begin sometime between 7:00 and 11:00 A.M. or 1:00 and 5:00 P.M.





Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 18:42:52
The Jury for R. Kelley has reached a verdict...



I think he is going to the big house.

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 18:43:58
Quote by TriSec:

Weekly Joke Review...

From Blue Mass Group:



The Tweeter Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield has been renamed the Comcast Center. All shows will now begin sometime between 7:00 and 11:00 A.M. or 1:00 and 5:00 P.M.





:rofl: I still want to find out which cable company is the most hated. Although, there are so few left.



Heading off to the salt mine after a pit stop. Talk to y'all again in a bit.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 18:46:45
Quote by Raine:

Laura Ingraham tells Billo She has been FORCED off the Radio.



She has been fired. No more Laura. BUH bye.


She's so full of shit. That bitch took a gig with Fox News two weeks ago.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 18:51:15
10 minutes to the bounce!!!

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 18:53:12
McCain Refuses his own offer???

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 18:55:32
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by Raine:

Laura Ingraham tells Billo She has been FORCED off the Radio.



She has been fired. No more Laura. BUH bye.


She's so full of shit. That bitch took a gig with Fox News two weeks ago.
@ weeks ago???



I did not know that. I knew she had a new gig at Faux, but not that it went down that long ago.



The question rises tho, WHY was her radio show disassembled? Hannity and Billo still keep thiers...



And billo has nada for ratings.

Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 19:08:02
And now for something completely different!



Ladies and Gentlemen, if you'll direct your attention to blogshow center, coming in over the treeline is your Sprint Angels...in their 'diamond' formation!





:sprint:


:sprint::sprint:


:sprint:








And now from show left, number 5 with a sneak pass!



------------------------------------:sprint:







And now from airshow left, number 5 and 6 with the link pass!



:sprint:


:sprint:








And the Diamond now in "echelon left" formation...





---------------------------------:sprint:

-----------------------------------------:sprint:

-------------------------------------------------:sprint:

---------------------------------------------------------:sprint:







And finally, please rise as we honour those who gave the last measure of their devotion to these United States as the full team performs the "missing man formation"





-----------:sprint:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------:sprint:

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Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:08:03
It's Friday ya bastahds!



:boobs:

:penis: :penis:

:boobs:

:boobs:

:boobs:

:bouncer: :bounce::penis:

:gobama:

:boobs:

:boobs:

:penis: :penis:

:boobs:

:penis: :penis:

:peace: :peace:

:penis: :penis:

Bounce whatcha got!!!

MICHELLE!!! This one is for Michelle Obama!!


Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 19:08:36
IT'S FRIDAY, YA BASTAHDS!



:bounce:

:boobs2:

:bouncer: :bouncer:

:boobs:

:martini:

Please note that the guitar army below is NOT playing jazz...

:guitar: :guitar: :guitar: :guitar:

:martini:

:boobs:

:bouncer: :bouncer:

:boobs2:

:bounce:



BOUNCE!!!


Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:10:37
:usa: TRI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



AWESOME!







Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 19:11:59
Quote by TriSec:

Oh, rereading below again. The "average" music fan isn't a music fan; they know nothing of melody or harmonic structure. It's purely rhythm.



This is more a product of the piss-poor music education system in this country. I can't cut and paste because it's a PDF, but noted Jazz musician and teacher Jamey Aebersold has much to say about that in his white paper on ear training.



Papa TriSec and I have discussed this at length....it's true. Ask your average joe anything about music and it's "it sounds nice". Nothing wrong with that (as Ellington will tell you) but understanding why something sounds nice is the key to the whole thing...you'll enjoy your music all the more having even a basic understanding of how it's constructed.





I happen to love Big Band jazz. That was not what I was referring to. Just like not all rock is Rush, not all jazz is Big Band. Some of it is exactly as I described it, which is exactly the same disparaging terms Mondo used for Rush. If you have to be educated to appreciate that kind of jazz, then maybe certain people need to be educated to understand Rush.



Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 19:17:19
drive by bounce - (taking a Randi break)









Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 19:17:54
Re: weeks ago.. I'm exaggerating. For those who are as attuned to the internets as we are here, the news that Laura dumped her radio show for a teevee gig is older than John McCain.











































































































































.... or maybe not, since there isn't much that's older than McCain? :lol:

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 19:18:41
very nice Tri :D

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:20:22
A nice dovetail to BobR's Blog: LIEberman looking for ways around the rulling.

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 19:22:06
In case it wasn't mentioned already, Lizz Winstead will be on C-SPAN TODAY at 4:51 EST

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 19:22:06
Quote by Raine:

The Jury for R. Kelley has reached a verdict...



I think he is going to the big house.




Yeah, his own



Losing a key prosecution witness made the case kinda tough, from what I've heard.

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/13/2008 19:22:48
Quote by Raine:

Laura Ingraham tells Billo She has been FORCED off the Radio.



She has been fired. No more Laura. BUH bye.




Laura is one of those people who has the "c" word hurled at her by me. She spews lies and talking points (the same thing, really) like Sean and Bill O, so it doesn't surprise me that she has been hired by Faux News. I heard she is replaceing E.D. Hill aka Terrorist Fist Jab. I don't believe Laura's story about being fired, just like I don't believe anything else she says. She was probably looking for a radio-TV combo deal and it didn't work out. Whatever. She's evil.



Happy Fridee and GO CELTICS. Woo hoo. One more!!!

Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 19:24:09
Action Item - help cancel Larry Sinclair's press club gig

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 19:25:45
Quote by Raine:

A nice dovetail to BobR's Blog: LIEberman looking for ways around the rulling.


Maybe if Congress had actually declared war, they could be considered prisoners of war. Since this was approached as a legal issue, however, and since Bush himself said that major combat operations are over, we can be considered to be in the post-conflict phase. At this point, they need to be returned or brought up on charges.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:26:26
I said the VERY same thing ... in 2000, *ush LOVED the Supreme Court.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 19:26:45
And one more.. petition for the new GI Bill

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:27:25
As long as we hold these people in Gitmo, we are doing NOTHING more than holding POW's

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:30:55
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

The Jury for R. Kelley has reached a verdict...



I think he is going to the big house.




Yeah, his own



Losing a key prosecution witness made the case kinda tough, from what I've heard.
ahhhh... so may be not so much I see. I get what you are saying.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:32:42
NEW DRAMA:



Christopher Dodd is being questioned for his dealing with CountryWide



details to come.



IS PHIL GRAMM still McCain's Economic ADVISOR????

IS Charlie Black STILL in charge of McCain's campaign????

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:34:51
I am having Deja Vu...





Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 19:35:38
Oh poo stupid non-responding programs! We have a blog clean up! Triple post.



I am a slave to big ointment. I got some topical antibiotics for my eye.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:36:00
Shane=O nailed it.



R. Kelley NOT guilty on all counts.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:38:09
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!Tim Russert Has died!

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:41:06
Tim Russert, NBC journalist and political heavyweight host of "Meet the Press," has died after collapsing at NBC's Washington news bureau, a source said. He was 58 years old.



Russert, who rose from the inside world of politics where he was former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo's press secretary and one-time chief of staff to the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, was able to successfully cross over to political journalism and rise to become one of its leading lights.



In his role as host of the seminal Sunday morning political program "Meet the Press" - which he took over in 1991 - he became renowned for his hard-nosed interviews where he frequently cornered some of Washington's cagiest political figures with tough questions.

===================================================



:cry:

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/13/2008 19:41:09
Tim Russert just died at work. Sad.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 19:41:59
SHUT UP! Has anyone heard that Tim Russert just died?

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 19:42:30
Okay - I'm late with that news.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 19:42:52
Quote by Raine:

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!Tim Russert Has died!


Wow...that just...sucks



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:43:42
Tom Brokaw Just broke the news on MSMBC.



Brian Williams is now speaking.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 19:44:41
Who brings a live chicken to a soccer game. I am watching UEFA Cup action on ESPN. Holland is up 1 Nil over France at the half.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 19:45:22
NOOOOO!!! NOOO!



Russ - NOOO!





Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 19:46:08
:thud:



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 19:46:18
Quote by Raine:

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!Tim Russert Has died!






Holly crap! :thud:

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:46:42
WE all heard it at the same time. This is really stunning news.



I am quite frankly, shocked. I called him pumkinhead as well as te best of them, but I always appreciated his journalism.



For F8cksake... this is REALLY shocking. He was the longest running host of Meet the press, he used to be the press secretary for Mario Cuomo.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:50:06
AS much as he pissed me off... I cannot believe he is gone. I am really shocked about this passing.



REALLY shocked.





Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 19:50:17
This...This...

You'll have to excuse me...

See you all later.

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 19:51:33
WAY too young to drop dead... at work nonetheless.



We need journalists who aren't afraid to call it as they see it. Russert was the first one to say "we have a presumptive nominee for the Democratic party".



:(

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:52:49
The buffalo Bills Lost a Big fan today... :(

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 19:55:02
Tom Brokaw, Brian Williams, Andrea Mitchell have been on the MSNBC. I don't know how they are able to report. This is a dear friend to all these people.



Truthfully, you can see the sadness in the eyes... My heart aches for them. I would not be able to operate under such pressure.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 19:57:07
Its really stunning news.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/13/2008 19:58:15
Wow... I've been watching this guy on MTP since I was a kid.



Just...... wow.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 19:58:35
In honor of Russ - who said it first (and caught a lot of crap for it):







I will be in no mood to wake up Sunday mornings for quite a while. :(

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:01:20
Tim Russert's last piece of work. :(

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 20:03:25
Ya know Russert had a cameo on "Homocide" playing the cousin of Meghan Russert, one of the cops. I was just watching it earlier this week. He did well playing himself.



Holland scores! 2-Nil! :waves giant Dutch flag:

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 20:06:10




...It's sad, at the end, he makes the joke about a Meet the Press audition for VP.





Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:08:31
Quote by Shane-O:

In honor of Russ - who said it first (and caught a lot of crap for it):







I will be in no mood to wake up Sunday mornings for quite a while. :(
I love waking up to CBS Sunday Morning as a nice slide into the day, and then flipping over to Meet the Press...



I am just really stunned at this news.



Comment by starling310 on 06/13/2008 20:10:57




What the hell?



He just dropped dead? OMG. I got home from work and turned on MSNBC. I had no idea.

How sad.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:13:08
Quote by Random:





...It's sad, at the end, he makes the joke about a Meet the Press audition for VP.





He was that kinda guy. Randi said something that I agree with... Shane-O alluded to it as well, Sunday is family day. It ain't gonna be the same without him.









Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 20:14:46
Aw man I just turned on the MSNBC coverage. Andrea Mitchell just speaking from the heart about her boss. :cry:

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 20:16:46
Damnit I missed another Dutch goal. 3-1 Holland over France





Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 20:17:11
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:





...It's sad, at the end, he makes the joke about a Meet the Press audition for VP.





He was that kinda guy. Randi said something that I agree with... Shane-O alluded to it as well, Sunday is family day. It ain't gonna be the same without him.











Man...Politics just doesn't seem fun anymore.

Russert Was a real journalist, man. He knew his facts and was willing to call people on them.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:17:22
He died while filming a segment.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:19:16
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:





...It's sad, at the end, he makes the joke about a Meet the Press audition for VP.





He was that kinda guy. Randi said something that I agree with... Shane-O alluded to it as well, Sunday is family day. It ain't gonna be the same without him.











Man...Politics just doesn't seem fun anymore.

Russert Was a real journalist, man. He knew his facts and was willing to call people on them.
Meet the Press will go on. I know it will.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:22:06
His obituary at MSNBC

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 20:22:37
One of the adverts on the pitch of the match I;m watching "No to racism" you would never see anything like that at any American sporting event.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 20:28:12




was he filming or was it live on msnbc?



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:30:37
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!



http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080613/capt.da7c9d5f752c47d2a2d2866abfa3b12b.severe_weather_iowa_tornado_ialm101.jpg?x=400&y=299&sig=EpM00JLc6t3AgD_4zT58.A--




From Yahoo:

A huge tornado funnel cloud touches down in Orchard, Iowa, Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. The Globe Gazette and Mitchell County Press News reported that Lori Mehmen of Orchard, took the photo from outside her front door. Mehmen said the funnel cloud came near the ground and then went back up into the clouds. Besides tree and crop damage, no human injuries were reported.

(AP Photo/Lori Mehmen)

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:34:12
Quote by wickedpam:





was he filming or was it live on msnbc?

HE was filming, it was not on TV.



it was in studio. Andrea Mitchell just broke down on TV>



I am really sad about this. I watched him for most of my adult life. I can't remember the news without him.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 20:35:52
Netherlands wins! 4-1 scoring a goal right at the end of the game!

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 20:38:27
I put on Cavuto just for grins. He is interviewing Karl Rove. Fox you smear the memory of Russert by interviewing a traitor to America.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 20:39:40
KO had to take over. He seems at a loss for words. Damn.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/13/2008 20:47:07
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:





was he filming or was it live on msnbc?

HE was filming, it was not on TV.



it was in studio. Andrea Mitchell just broke down on TV>



I am really sad about this. I watched him for most of my adult life. I can't remember the news without him.







Thank God for small favors. It if were live it would be all over the net by now.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 20:47:52
I'm now seeing a lot of assholes...looking at someother comment boards.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:54:14
Mr. Russert was a Board Member of the Baseball Hall of Fame, as well.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 20:55:27
From the Buffalo Bisons website. An obit

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 20:57:28
There is one thing that I am glad about - Bill O is not doing his show tonight.



If I had to hear that fuck try to eulogize Tim Russert - and inevitably compare himself with Tim (because it is always about Bill - and he has compared himself to Russert so many times before (made me sick)) -- there would be a brick through my tv.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 20:58:04
DAmn. listening to Andrea Mitchell, I am starting to understand that as wonky as some of is are with the politics... we are not much different thatn some of our reporters are.



I feel good knowing that I am a wonk.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 21:00:04
Quote by Random:

I'm now seeing a lot of assholes...looking at someother comment boards.
The roaches crawl out of the wood during these times, Random.











Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 21:00:57
Meet The Press is the Oldest TV show in American History You know.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 21:05:49
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

I'm now seeing a lot of assholes...looking at someother comment boards.
The roaches crawl out of the wood during these times, Random.













I would like to beat them over the head.

Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 21:11:54
Quote by Raine:

Meet The Press is the Oldest TV show in American History You know.


I just want to know is who will replace him. Hopefully not Tweety.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/13/2008 21:13:09
KO is getting misty. :cry:

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 21:16:32
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:

Meet The Press is the Oldest TV show in American History You know.


I just want to know is who will replace him. Hopefully not Tweety.


He is unreplaceable. I think that it would behoove the network to return to it's original format.



The show is, after all, meet the press.



KO is having a hard time reading the press statement.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 21:17:12
let me at those bastards at Hillaryiss44.

Those bloody assholes. Let me at 'em.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 21:18:01
For Tim:





Go Bills!!!


Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 21:18:35
Quote by Random:

let me at those bastards at Hillaryiss44.

Those bloody assholes. Let me at 'em.


Go get 'em tiger.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 21:19:20
Hey ya'll.



Looks like I am going HERE and leaving Monday morning which is the soonest I can get away.



I am hoping that my shy yet ever so smart partner Aunt Azalea will post for me on Sunday's - but there is no promise that that will happen.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 21:22:17
Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:

Meet The Press is the Oldest TV show in American History You know.


I just want to know is who will replace him. Hopefully not Tweety.


He is unreplaceable. I think that it would behoove the network to return to it's original format.



The show is, after all, meet the press.



KO is having a hard time reading the press statement.


I'm going to bet Gregory.

Chuck Todd might get the gig.



Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 21:23:02
Raine, I'm going to give AA your phone # in case she does post a blog and has a question on inserting links or whatever. I'll tell her not to call you before 10am!



:P

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 21:25:28
the absence of Matthews in the MSNBC coverage is getting painfully obvious.





Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 21:25:54
I find it VERY odd that Chris Matthews has not been seen anywhere on the MSNBC. Hardball was to have started at 5 pm.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 21:31:43
Quote by Raine:

I find it VERY odd that Chris Matthews has not been seen anywhere on the MSNBC. Hardball was to have started at 5 pm.


Jinx - buy me a Coke...



I thought of something that brought a smile - and maybe it will for some others...



First order of business for Tim right about now, lobbying the higher power, God, Yaweh, whom or whatever that entity may be ---



for a 269 to 269 electoral college split in November 2008



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 21:32:45
Quote by velveeta jones:

Raine, I'm going to give AA your phone # in case she does post a blog and has a question on inserting links or whatever. I'll tell her not to call you before 10am!



:P


Of Course! She can call before if she wants! (I may be groggy...)



Velveeta, you are the hero of this bloggie!



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 21:34:28
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

I find it VERY odd that Chris Matthews has not been seen anywhere on the MSNBC. Hardball was to have started at 5 pm.


Jinx - buy me a Coke...



I thought of something that brought a smile - and maybe it will for some others...



First order of business for Tim right about now, lobbying the higher power, God, Yaweh, whom or whatever that entity may be ---



for a 269 to 269 electoral college split in November 2008

Coke??? pff



And yes, that did bring a smile to my face.



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 21:37:23
Quote by Random:

let me at those bastards at Hillaryiss44.

Those bloody assholes. Let me at 'em.
I had a feeling you found that sight Random. They are nasty horrid people over there and deserve the same respect as Freeperville, imo. That sight started out decent enough, but quickly delved into a horrid wretched hate filled place.







Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 21:41:06
:cry: KO called Pumpkinhead the Mr. Smith of Journalism...





Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 21:41:50
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

let me at those bastards at Hillaryiss44.

Those bloody assholes. Let me at 'em.
I had a feeling you found that sight Random. They are nasty horrid people over there and deserve the same respect as Freeperville, imo. That sight started out decent enough, but quickly delved into a horrid wretched hate filled place.









I dunno what Freeperville is. Is that Free Republic?

Apparently they're actually being respectful.



Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 21:54:29
okay...now this is bullshit...

I will not be polite... Karma baby that is all I will say, first Kennedy and his brain tumor, then the flooding in Iowa and now Russert... Obamatrons beware the wrath of God, you could be next



That is from hillaryis44...



Are they actually saying that Iowa is getting flooded because it went to Obama?



Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 21:56:03
Quote by Raine:

:cry: KO called Pumpkinhead the Mr. Smith of Journalism...





It's like this:



When told that Tim Russert was dead, everyone's reaction is OMG!



If it had been some newsreading spokesmodel at FAUX News, the reaction would've been "who?"



That pretty much says it all.



Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 21:56:14
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

let me at those bastards at Hillaryiss44.

Those bloody assholes. Let me at 'em.
I had a feeling you found that sight Random. They are nasty horrid people over there and deserve the same respect as Freeperville, imo. That sight started out decent enough, but quickly delved into a horrid wretched hate filled place.









I dunno what Freeperville is. Is that Free Republic?

Apparently they're actually being respectful.



Yep, it is a nickname for Free Republic.

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 21:57:49
Quote by Random:

okay...now this is bullshit...



I will not be polite... Karma baby that is all I will say, first Kennedy and his brain tumor, then the flooding in Iowa and now Russert... Obamatrons beware the wrath of God, you could be next


That is from hillaryis44...



Are they actually saying that Iowa is getting flooded because it went to Obama?



Yes, that is what they are saying. Sounds like Republican talk to me...

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 22:02:37
Oil prices heading back down - gas prices still going up

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 22:04:12
OMG, they just played on MSNBC... MCCain talkign about the Death of Russert... "Senator Lieberman and I would like to express our condolences"



I saw it with my own eyes.



Good god. They are dating.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 22:04:23
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

okay...now this is bullshit...



I will not be polite... Karma baby that is all I will say, first Kennedy and his brain tumor, then the flooding in Iowa and now Russert... Obamatrons beware the wrath of God, you could be next


That is from hillaryis44...



Are they actually saying that Iowa is getting flooded because it went to Obama?



Yes, that is what they are saying. Sounds like Republican talk to me...




Okay, i have to take offence to that. IT sounds like wingbat talk. There are plenty of Republican's that respect Russert.

That is the post of a crazy person.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 22:07:07
Quote by Random:

okay...now this is bullshit...

I will not be polite... Karma baby that is all I will say, first Kennedy and his brain tumor, then the flooding in Iowa and now Russert... Obamatrons beware the wrath of God, you could be next



That is from hillaryis44...



Are they actually saying that Iowa is getting flooded because it went to Obama?



Funny, it was Bob's Brother who was wondering where the fundies were regarding Iowa.



Thay are more hate filled than freepers, eh?



That makes me really nervous.

They are NOT DEMS. NOT AT ALL.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 22:07:48
Quote by Raine:

OMG, they just played on MSNBC... MCCain talkign about the Death of Russert... "Senator Lieberman and I would like to express our condolences"



I saw it with my own eyes.



Good god. They are dating.


Or in their era - going steady.



My question - who pinned whom?



Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 22:08:14
Quote by Raine:

OMG, they just played on MSNBC... MCCain talkign about the Death of Russert... "Senator Lieberman and I would like to express our condolences"



I saw it with my own eyes.



Good god. They are dating.


:rofl:



Are they going to send a flower arrangement signed by both of them?

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 22:10:06
Freepers respectful? I suspect as far as Tim Russert goes, yes, I can see that.



But make no mistake, that place is not respectful... They have been salivating over teh Whitey Video for weeks, Teh still think BArack is Muslim... and there are a lot of things tht go on over there that are hatefilled swill.



TRust me on this one, Random. Trust me. A clock is correct once a day.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 22:11:13
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

okay...now this is bullshit...

I will not be polite... Karma baby that is all I will say, first Kennedy and his brain tumor, then the flooding in Iowa and now Russert... Obamatrons beware the wrath of God, you could be next



That is from hillaryis44...



Are they actually saying that Iowa is getting flooded because it went to Obama?



Funny, it was Bob's Brother who was wondering where the fundies were regarding Iowa.



Thay are more hate filled than freepers, eh?



That makes me really nervous.

They are NOT DEMS. NOT AT ALL.


You know what, i can almost understand their logic for hatred of Russert, he asked Hillary tough questions. I can almost understand their logic for hating Kennedy, he betrayed women.



But Iowa...IOWA!

Dear lord, people voted for Hillary there too, and Edwards. Dear lord...can these people lease a brain? I hear Bush's isn't doing much, bet you can get a good deal on that.



Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 22:11:15
Quote by Shane-O:



Or in their era - going steady.



My question - who pinned whom?



I'd say McCain pinned Lieberman... to the floor...

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 22:11:47
My pick to replace Tim: Susanne Malveaux. Sure she's on CNN, but they could get her..........maybe?

Comment by BobR on 06/13/2008 22:13:26
Quote by Random:

Dear lord, people voted for Hillary there too, and Edwards. Dear lord...can these people lease a brain? I hear Bush's isn't doing much, bet you can get a good deal on that.


"somewhat underpowered, but barely used..."

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 22:14:25
Quote by Raine:

OMG, they just played on MSNBC... MCCain talkign about the Death of Russert... "Senator Lieberman and I would like to express our condolences"



I saw it with my own eyes.



Good god. They are dating.




Awwww! They can now get married in Californee-a!



:rofl:

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 22:15:56
Quote by Raine:

Freepers respectful? I suspect as far as Tim Russert goes, yes, I can see that.



But make no mistake, that place is not respectful... They have been salivating over teh Whitey Video for weeks, Teh still think BArack is Muslim... and there are a lot of things tht go on over there that are hatefilled swill.



TRust me on this one, Random. Trust me. A clock is correct once a day.


I know they aren't respectful as a whole. But at least they show respect to someone who has died.

I'm almost sad that Daily Show, Colbert Report, Stephanie Miller, won't be on till Monday.



Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 22:20:17
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Dear lord, people voted for Hillary there too, and Edwards. Dear lord...can these people lease a brain? I hear Bush's isn't doing much, bet you can get a good deal on that.


"somewhat underpowered, but barely used..."


*plays roll of prospective buyer*

Can i get it on layaway?

Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 22:23:32
Quote by velveeta jones:

My pick to replace Tim: Susanne Malveaux. Sure she's on CNN, but they could get her..........maybe?


About 2 years back I had mused about the larger scenario at NBC News - thinking that when Russert decided to retire, it would be about the time that Williams might want to go more in depth, using his gained connections - thus move into MTP.



And, after seeing how the Couric experiment worked - learning what to do and not to do - putting Norah O'Donnell in the NBC anchor spot.



But that scenario won't happen today.



Gregory, no.

Todd, no (maybe in the future)

KO - way no

Milbank, Wolff, Alter - NO NO NO!

Mitchell - maybe.

Matthew - I hope not.

Shuster - best bet (if he wasn't so tied to Matthews)



I don't know - maybe I'm just so partial to Russert - nobody can do it (in my mind)



Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 22:26:36
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by velveeta jones:

My pick to replace Tim: Susanne Malveaux. Sure she's on CNN, but they could get her..........maybe?


About 2 years back I had mused about the larger scenario at NBC News - thinking that when Russert decided to retire, it would be about the time that Williams might want to go more in depth, using his gained connections - thus move into MTP.



And, after seeing how the Couric experiment worked - learning what to do and not to do - putting Norah O'Donnell in the NBC anchor spot.



But that scenario won't happen today.



Gregory, no.

Todd, no (maybe in the future)

KO - way no

Milbank, Wolff, Alter - NO NO NO!

Mitchell - maybe.

Matthew - I hope not.

Shuster - best bet (if he wasn't so tied to Matthews)



I don't know - maybe I'm just so partial to Russert - nobody can do it (in my mind)

MADDOW!

nah...

They should give Chuck Todd a temp position for a few weeks, see how he does and make a decision then.



Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 22:40:13
I still think it would be nice to see a rotating group of reporters. I loved MTP because it was balanced. IT pissed me off and it made me happy. And Russert knew insiders. HE REALLY knew them . I know this may sound strange coming from me, but I want very much for MTP to remain non partisan. IT was always that way imo.



Tim Russert is a rare breed of human being. I think truthfully, these shoes will be hard to fill. I am sad today. I really am.



And --- I am still wondering where the heck Chris MAtthews is. I know they were dear friends, but so is Andrea Mitchell.. I hope he is ok. I have a feeling he is really broken up over this. Chris ALWAYS comes in at 5 pm, even when there is a breaking story. That is his airtime.







Comment by velveeta jones on 06/13/2008 22:51:57
Yes, for sure Tim will be hard to replace. Someone with a perceived "agenda" like KO or Rachael would be wrong, imo. Shuster would be good. Matthews............. not so much!



Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 23:03:57
Quote by velveeta jones:

Yes, for sure Tim will be hard to replace. Someone with a perceived "agenda" like KO or Rachael would be wrong, imo. Shuster would be good. Matthews............. not so much!



that's only cause you don't like Matthews.

Bout the only reason i'd want Gregory to get the gig, so Maddow can get his slot on MSNBC.

Comment by Raine on 06/13/2008 23:04:33
Chris Matthews on the phone... he is traveling to Paris.



He sounds very very shocked.

Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 23:07:36
Quote by Raine:

Chris Matthews on the phone... he is traveling to Paris.



He sounds very very shocked.




Name a person on MSNBC who isn't schocked. Or even CNN.

Hell, even Fox is putting on the faux sad faces.



Comment by Shane-O on 06/13/2008 23:10:00
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Chris Matthews on the phone... he is traveling to Paris.



He sounds very very shocked.




Name a person on MSNBC who isn't schocked. Or even CNN.

Hell, even Fox is putting on the faux sad faces.



What Fox is doing is worse than faux sadness.



There are over at NBC trying to scoop on the COD. Harrassing NBC staff.



Like school on Saturday - NO CLASS



Comment by Random on 06/13/2008 23:13:03
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Chris Matthews on the phone... he is traveling to Paris.



He sounds very very shocked.




Name a person on MSNBC who isn't schocked. Or even CNN.

Hell, even Fox is putting on the faux sad faces.



What Fox is doing is worse than faux sadness.



There are over at NBC trying to scoop on the COD. Harrassing NBC staff.



Like school on Saturday - NO CLASS



I'll admit...i on;t half paid attention, they tried to act sad...that's all i saw.



I almost want to see Bill'O tonight.



Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/13/2008 23:45:21
I thought Keith was going to cry at the end of his segment.



Faux News is acting like TMZ. They're trying to get information from technicians who work at the hospital. Now they're spreading the rumor that he may have died from a blood clot because some duffus at the hospital said this can happen after a long airplane trip. Jeebus. Wait for the facts assholes. If someone wants to drop a bomb on their building, I will pay for the plane and gas.



Back to golf. Tiger's busting a mini move.

Comment by TriSec on 06/13/2008 23:47:43
Evening folks....heading up for story time in a few.



My favorite AL time is playing my favorite NL team this weekend...so either way I should be happy, right?





Comment by livingonli on 06/13/2008 23:54:21
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Chris Matthews on the phone... he is traveling to Paris.



He sounds very very shocked.




Name a person on MSNBC who isn't schocked. Or even CNN.

Hell, even Fox is putting on the faux sad faces.



What Fox is doing is worse than faux sadness.



There are over at NBC trying to scoop on the COD. Harrassing NBC staff.



Like school on Saturday - NO CLASS



They are Klassy with a K. How would they feel if the press corps acted the same way on them if Bill-O or Hannity were to kick the bucket?



And then Fixed Noise would break out Michelle Malkin to yell in outrage.

Comment by MNRN on 06/14/2008 00:04:22
well, the nurse is just blown away by all this.....VJ, if you are heading to IA, reminder that I am just due north if you need to get outta there....

gonna go watch KO

Comment by Random on 06/14/2008 00:16:22
No Countdown, just KO doing a memorial to Russert.

Comment by livingonli on 06/14/2008 00:17:16
It sounds like MSNBC won't have any other news tonight.

Comment by Random on 06/14/2008 00:27:45
Quote by livingonli:

It sounds like MSNBC won't have any other news tonight.


Well...who can blame them? I mean he was one of them, and he's a journalistic institution.



That beside the point, does anyone think Olberman looks greyer then usual?

It seems to me in the past few months he's gone from speckled grey, to entirly so.

Comment by Random on 06/14/2008 00:36:34
Wow...no O'Reilly tonight.

Comment by livingonli on 06/14/2008 00:44:20
Quote by Random:

Wow...no O'Reilly tonight.


Which crazy right-winger is filling in?

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/14/2008 00:46:28
Hey. Are they still doing that ridiculous 3oz only liquids to travel rule? Can you carry more if you check your bag? Anyone know? Guess I can go to an airline site............. sheesh. Too many silly rules. Check shoes and belts, but not bra's and jock straps............ whatever.



:rolleyes:

Comment by Random on 06/14/2008 00:49:45
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Wow...no O'Reilly tonight.


Which crazy right-winger is filling in?


I dunno. I turned to fox, and heard a female commentator talking about coming back the factor.

And i went on to watch Meerkat manor for a few minutes wondering why people like this show so much.

Comment by Raine on 06/14/2008 00:54:48
Be back in a while. Time to go for dinner.



:peace: and







Comment by Shane-O on 06/14/2008 00:56:45
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Wow...no O'Reilly tonight.


Which crazy right-winger is filling in?


O'Reilly ventured out of his bunker today - he's doing a speech in some obscure town in TX.



Ingraham is in (she's got the free time)

Comment by Raine on 06/14/2008 01:02:53
before I go... I am still very sad tonite. Tim Russert was a pretty important figure in the journey that I took to become who I am as a political Wonk today.



I feel like a friend left me today.



:(



Cul8r.

Comment by livingonli on 06/14/2008 01:06:10
Have a good dinner, Raine.

Comment by TriSec on 06/14/2008 01:09:39
Keith looks a little bit older today, yes. I think everyone at NBC does.



I would have to remember my own Uncle Ray (whose 5th anniversary it is this weekend) who died suddenly of an aneurism. Papa TriSec took that pretty hard...'twas his baby brother. I think we all took that one badly. I still remember that awful summer of 1993 too, when on my mother's side of the family we lost my grandpa, two uncles, and two dear family friends all in the span of 8 weeks. You really never recover from that.



Anyway, I digress.

Comment by Random on 06/14/2008 01:33:38
Ha...I love the Doctor.

Comment by livingonli on 06/14/2008 01:53:15
Quote by Random:

Ha...I love the Doctor.


He's keeping my DVR busy,

Comment by Random on 06/14/2008 02:03:53
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Ha...I love the Doctor.


He's keeping my DVR busy,


Course, i like Tennant way better than i like Eccelston.

That, and i like agatha Christie (which plays a major part in the tonights episode).

And i like murder mysteries.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/14/2008 02:51:11
So Random you watch Dr Who but, do you watch the Battlestar Galatica? Best.Show.On.TV

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/14/2008 02:59:46
FUCK YOU SCIFI NETWORK!

Comment by livingonli on 06/14/2008 03:10:25
Quote by Mondobubba:

FUCK YOU SCIFI NETWORK!


What did they do?

Comment by BobR on 06/14/2008 03:22:34
Quote by velveeta jones:

Hey. Are they still doing that ridiculous 3oz only liquids to travel rule? Can you carry more if you check your bag? Anyone know? Guess I can go to an airline site............. sheesh. Too many silly rules. Check shoes and belts, but not bra's and jock straps............ whatever.



:rolleyes:


I believe only 3 oz in your carry on; as much as you want in your checked bag, although some airlines are charging $15 per checked bag.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/14/2008 03:32:23
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

FUCK YOU SCIFI NETWORK!


What did they do?




Well they have finished BSG for the half of the season with the humans and cyclons on the blasted ruin of Earth. They suck.

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