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American Taliban - Pt 3
Author: BobR    Date: 06/10/2015 13:48:41

Much has been written and said about the Islamic extremists in the Middle East, especially regarding their enforcement of religious law upon the citizenry. In many cases, this is done at knifepoint, by heavily armed zealots who use their religion as a tool to rule with impunity.

I've written previously about what I call the Christian Taliban here in the U.S. In most cases - we don't even have the excuse of being forced to abide by Christian "law" - we can vote. So how does this keep happening?

It starts with the notion that public schools should violate the first amendment and teach "creationism" as science. These people consider science to be a form of atheism, so it's only natural they'd want their religion included as well. In Idaho, even the Republican party is considering a move to include the Bible in studies. In a comparative religions class, that makes sense (especially as it relates to history), but it has no place in a Biology class - or any other science class for that matter.

You know things are starting to go awry when the Catholic League president publicly comes out against the Pope who - per their religious beliefs - is infallible. This is when Big Business starts to influence religion (and we know it already influences politics). The unholy 3: Religious Extremism, Corporatism, and Voter Apathy.

As audacious and insidious as this all is, where things really get into dangerous territory is when it starts to affect people's liberty and legal status. Case in point: in GA, a woman has been arrested for taking an "abortion" pill:
Jones was arrested Saturday after a county social services worker called police to a hospital, according to an Albany police report. A hospital social worker told police that Jones said she had taken four pills she purchased over the Internet "to induce labor" because she and her boyfriend had broken up.

The social worker told police Jones went into labor and delivered the fetus in a car on the way to the hospital. The fetus did not survive. The police report does not say how far along Jones was in her pregnancy.

WALB-TV reported (http://bit.ly/1Irtzju) earlier that authorities said Jones was about 5 1/2 months pregnant.

While the rationale for the abortion is ugly, it is still within the 2nd trimester, and thus is still legal. This incident is also giving "personhood" to a fetus, which is another tenet of this type of extremism.

In Arkansas, a nurse has been arrested for performing an abortion:
A Drew County nurse has been charged with one count of performing an unlicensed abortion and one count of providing an unlawful abortion after authorities say she administered a drug to another woman to terminate her pregnancy.

Karen M. Collins, 32, is not licensed to perform abortions, Drew County Prosecuting Attorney Thomas Deen said. Collins was issued a court summons in lieu of an arrest warrant and is scheduled to appear in court on June 29.
(bold-face mine)

So giving a person a legal medication is now illegal if that person uses it to terminate a pregnancy? (can we get the same law enacted for bullets?) Is this the sort of thing people are voting for in these red states? Do they think "oh this doesn't affect me, so I don't care"? It is the metaphorical camel's nose in the tent. States continue to enact these extreme religion-based anti-abortion laws, knowing they'll end up in court, poking at Row -vs- Wade, hoping to chip loose a brick and bring the entire thing down.

If you think that won't happen because the courts are the last bastion of common sense, don't be too confident. The Fifth Circuit court of appeals just handed abortion foes the aborted fetus of Row vs Wade:
On Tuesday, a panel of three George W. Bush-appointed judges handed down a sweeping endorsement of the tactics anti-abortion lawmakers adopted in recent years in an effort to prevent abortion clinics from operating. With one narrow exception, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit’s decision in Whole Woman’s Health v. Cole is a total defeat for abortion providers who hoped to overcome a Texas law that will shut down most of the state’s abortion clinics. Worse for women seeking an abortion, the Fifth Circuit’s opinion would give many other states broad discretion to restrict access to abortion if its reasoning is ultimately adopted by the Supreme Court.

This is in regards to laws regulating abortion providers out of existence via "protecting the patient" restrictions.

This is real - this is happening now, and it could be coming to a state near you. Laws based on religious beliefs should be dismissed out of hand as unconstitutional, yet in states where being more extreme than the next guy gets you elected, this is what you end up with. The difference between Democrats and Republicans on financial and national defense issues aren't nearly as wide a gulf as the differences in "social" issues. The next time you vote, you need to decide if you want a politician to decide your legal status based on his or her religious beliefs. This is what it's come to; this is what we're up against.
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2015 13:22:03
Morning

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2015 13:54:48
good morning!

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2015 13:55:41
the blog needs some of this ==>


Comment by BobR on 06/10/2015 13:55:59
oh btw - BLOG POSTED


Comment by Raine on 06/10/2015 13:57:51
This blog frightens the hell out of me.

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2015 14:10:21
Quote by Raine:
This blog frightens the hell out of me.

yep - we've moved past the rhetorical phase into the "people getting arrested" phase

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2015 14:11:49
And this is when I start to give some serious consideration of move to a different country. Honestly, these people have added to my depression and frustration.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2015 14:18:26
I thought Mondo would appreciate this:





Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2015 14:19:33
Greetings, comrade. In a unanimous declaration issued by my office, and in consent with brother TriSec, we have declared Mama TriSec's doctor to be a quack. Here is his picture:

http://musicglue-wordpress-magpies-nest.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/angry-duck.jpg


We have reached the need of an intervention - I'll be at the hospital this afternoon. There is a strong possibility that Mama TriSec's COPD has been mis-diagnosed. She will be going to a different hospital and a battery of specialists, whether or not she wants to now.

(The ER doctors were astounded by some of the signs and symptoms that were reported yesterday - one of the driving factors for admitting her for a battery of tests overnight.)



Comment by Raine on 06/10/2015 14:20:19
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
This blog frightens the hell out of me.

yep - we've moved past the rhetorical phase into the "people getting arrested" phase

You know, I remember having a discussion with friends who kept saying *Abortion* is just a wedge issue and that they would never push it to this point. I remember being told that I had nothing to worry about.

You are right, we are here. It's not a wedge issue.

They mean what they say.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2015 14:27:34
Quote by Raine:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
This blog frightens the hell out of me.

yep - we've moved past the rhetorical phase into the "people getting arrested" phase

You know, I remember having a discussion with friends who kept saying *Abortion* is just a wedge issue and that they would never push it to this point. I remember being told that I had nothing to worry about.

You are right, we are here. It's not a wedge issue.

They mean what they say.


Didn't Thom say that too, or was it Randi, that it was their money maker issue.


Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2015 14:29:24
Quote by Raine:
I thought Mondo would appreciate this:






This is glorious!

Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2015 14:33:38
Mornin' all.. wheee workworkwork

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2015 14:36:38
What is really frustrating about the ruling of 5th Circuit is they overturned the same kind of "safety and access" law in Mississippi. That law had the same kind of over-regulation of abortion providers, the wide hallways, admitting privileges in local hospitals etc. So, why is Texas different?

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2015 14:45:56
Quote by Mondobubba:
What is really frustrating about the ruling of 5th Circuit is they overturned the same kind of "safety and access" law in Mississippi. That law had the same kind of over-regulation of abortion providers, the wide hallways, admitting privileges in local hospitals etc. So, why is Texas different?



In VA its on hold again. The Gov, the AG and the BOH pressed pause on McDonnells crap.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/10/2015 14:59:26
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
This blog frightens the hell out of me.

yep - we've moved past the rhetorical phase into the "people getting arrested" phase


Good morning, bloggers!! I am finally done with school, after going with students to a White Sox game after a half day of school. (It was an evening game, so I did not get home till after 11 PM.)

BobR, I fear that there are some people who want a new civil war.

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2015 15:01:29
Good. Awesome. That's terrific. I'm glad you believe in << deity >>.

Now tell me why YOUR beliefs need to be the law of the land?



Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/10/2015 15:03:38
Quote by TriSec:
Good. Awesome. That's terrific. I'm glad you believe in << deity >>.

Now tell me why YOUR beliefs need to be the law of the land?



Historically, we have seen that attitude. Religious minorities do not fare well when one faith is elevated over others and made the law of any land.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2015 15:09:26
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
I thought Mondo would appreciate this:






This is glorious!
I knew you would truly appreciate it!

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2015 15:11:08
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
I thought Mondo would appreciate this:






This is glorious!
I knew you would truly appreciate it!



Shared with my cynical, overworked work buds.

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2015 15:27:07
Quote by Will in Chicago:


Historically, we have seen that attitude. Religious minorities do not fare well when one faith is elevated over others and made the law of any land.


Indeed. That Amendment thingy essentially leveled the playing field. We wouldn't stand for cheating in professional sport, would we? (see: flaccid balls.) So why do we tolerate it in government?


Comment by BobR on 06/10/2015 15:35:11
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
I thought Mondo would appreciate this:




This is glorious!
I knew you would truly appreciate it!

Shared with my cynical, overworked work buds.

Looks like they paid their bill

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2015 17:27:07
Update

Murder Charges Dropped

Don't think I like his use of the word "presently".

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2015 18:13:28
Quote by wickedpam:
Update

Murder Charges Dropped

Don't think I like his use of the word "presently".

It's still disturbing that people in law enforcement thought it was proper to arrest her in the first place.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2015 18:24:29
Good day, folks. Another day, another dime.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2015 18:29:33
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Update

Murder Charges Dropped

Don't think I like his use of the word "presently".

It's still disturbing that people in law enforcement thought it was proper to arrest her in the first place.


It very much is.


Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2015 19:07:26
Whenever the debate on choice comes up and at what point fetus tops being a clump of non-viable cells I can't help but think of this:





because if you are pro-life a-hole life starts the nanosecond a sperm enters and egg.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2015 19:26:39
Quote by Mondobubba:
Whenever the debate on choice comes up and at what point fetus tops being a clump of non-viable cells I can't help but think of this:





because if you are pro-life a-hole life starts the nanosecond a sperm enters and egg.
Every sperm is useful.

They say the same thing about lemons.