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Author: Raine    Date: 01/04/2016 14:17:48

In today's news, White guys with guns still occupy a federal building in Oregon.

Pretty sure they aren't Muslim or Syrian refugees. Pretty sure they are just a bunch of good old boys who hate our government.

I am also pretty sure this is not new. I will let Charlie Pierce take it from here:

This is an act of armed sedition against lawful authority. That is all that it is, and that is quite enough. This is not "an expression of anti-government sentiment." Flipping off the governor as he drives by is "an expression of anti-government sentiment." What Alex Jones does every day is "an expression of anti-government sentiment," and god bless them all for it. That's what the Founders had in mind. This is not an "occupation" following "a peaceful protest." That would be all those folks who got bludgeoned and pepper-sprayed out of Zuccotti Park a couple of years back. (And when exactly did ABC News decide it wasn't a news organization anymore?) These are men with guns who have declared themselves outside the law. These are men with guns who have taken something that belongs to all of us. These are traitors and thieves who got away with this dangerous nonsense once, and have been encouraged to get away with it again, and they draw their inspiration not solely from the wilder fringes of our politics, either. Ammon Bundy and his brothers should have been thrown in jail after they gathered themselves in rebellion the first time.

This is another step down the road that leads to the broken shell of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. There are respectable people in our respectable politics who have been shamefully silent on the subject, and there are respectable people in our respectable media who seem terrified of calling this what it is. You want an example of the deadening effect of "political correctness" in our politics? Watch what the people running for president have to say about this episode. Look at how it is being framed already—or ignored entirely—by the elite political media. There is a constituency for armed rebellion in this country that is larger than any of our respectable political and social institutions want to admit. It is fueled by reckless, ambitious people who engage in reckless, ambitious rhetoric.
(snip)
It does us no good to ignore what is going on in this obscure little corner of the Pacific Northwest. It does us no good to refuse to hold to account the politics that led to this, and the politicians who sought to profit from it. It does us no good to deny that there is a substantial constituency for armed sedition in this country, and to deny the necessity of delegitimizing that constituency in our politics, and the first step in that process is to face it and to call it what it is.
They are not protesters. They are seditious at least, but as some say, more likely, they aim to cause terror.

Let's begin with what to call the Oregon anti-government protesters who have taken over a federal building. The men, heavily armed, urging others to come support their cause, and claiming somehow that, while peaceful, they will "defend" themselves whatever it takes, are -- by any definition -- domestic terrorists.

It does not matter that they insist they are peaceful or some sort of lawful militia; I can claim I'm 26 years old and a size 2 and that still doesn't make it true. This group of men is wielding terror, and the threat of violence, as if it were their constitutional right.

So, let's stop with the wrenching discussions of who they are.

They are dangerous, they are unforgiving, they are flouting federal law, they have a political purpose and they clearly are willing to use violence to get their way. Simply because they are not Muslim jihadists does not mean they are authorized to threaten or use violence to support their political cause.


And while they are all of the above, they have a very fitting hashtag: "YallQuaeda"




That, perhaps, makes them even more frightening. Happy New Year!

and
Raine

34 comments (Latest Comment: 01/04/2016 19:58:31 by Mondobubba)
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Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2016 14:23:51
Morning

Agree with Karl, more people with actual power need to speak out able these traitors.

Now I have to go take down the office trees.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/04/2016 14:25:10
At some point, these Bundy fuckers are going to have to be slapped down hard. The sooner the better or they will get bolder.

Cut off access and utilities (though I understand enough supplies have already been let through for this to be a moot point) and hope the children start missing their mommies. After that, bring in the drones.

Comment by Scoopster on 01/04/2016 14:30:15
Mornin' all!

So yeah, I've been outta the loop for the past few days. What's with these sovereign nutbags? Supposedly the people they're using as their excuse (the guys who did the arson) want nothing to do with them.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 14:30:25
This is what a friend of mine had to say on the mocking of the violent, seditious goobers:

There is an illegal occupation occurring.
I have just worked out why all the joke names (though clever and funny) bother me so much.
As long as we are collectively making jokes about them, we are not taking seriously the fact that they are, in fact, dangerous terrorists.
How can we hold the established powers responsible, when even we treat white terrorists like they are the clown version?
These armed men took over a federal facility, and have expressed a desire to harm law enforcement or government agents.
Poking fun is fine, but keep in mind: these dangerous men deserve to be treated in exactly the same manner as we would anyone staging an assumed insurrection.
tl;dr: maybe making fun is not helping. Treat terrorists as terrorists.


Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2016 14:51:54
A GAU-8 Avenger, as carried by an A-10, would change their minds real quick.



Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 15:03:12
Quote by TriSec:
A GAU-8 Avenger, as carried by an A-10, would change their minds real quick.



Or, locking down everything in the area of the wildlife refuge, arresting anyone who tries to join them for sedition. When the goobers on-site are good and hungry and turning on each other that is when the FBI swoops in arrests each of the fuckers for sedition as well.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/04/2016 15:42:31
Does pepper spray work from the air?

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 15:44:49
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Does pepper spray work from the air?


You could probably spray it from the air, but you would have to fly very low. That would make your aircraft susceptible small arms fire from the ground.



Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2016 15:48:04
These morons think they can overthrow the United States government with small arms. We don't even need an A-10; a lone MRAP and a squad of Marines would show them otherwise.

Comment by Raine on 01/04/2016 15:53:57
The thing is with these lunatice, they ARE looking for another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

assholes.

Comment by BobR on 01/04/2016 15:56:58
Quote by Raine:
The thing is with these lunatice, they ARE looking for another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

assholes.

except I think they truly believe they would win.

Comment by BobR on 01/04/2016 15:57:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Does pepper spray work from the air?

You could probably spray it from the air, but you would have to fly very low. That would make your aircraft susceptible small arms fire from the ground.

A few tear gas grenades, but I am guessing a few of them came prepared with gas masks

Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2016 16:00:16
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
The thing is with these lunatice, they ARE looking for another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

assholes.

except I think they truly believe they would win.



I'm of the thought they want to be martyrs for their cause.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2016 16:00:50
All holiday stuff both work and home now put away - everything seems so naked now

Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2016 16:07:13
liberal confession - didn't listen to Steph's show at all while she wasn't there this time - just don't find John that entertaining or informative. Last time he covered for Steph it was 90% sports

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 16:17:21
So, Tri, which Boston Globe reporter or editor delivered your paper yestersday.

Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2016 16:20:47
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, Tri, which Boston Globe reporter or editor delivered your paper yestersday.


None. My Sunday Globe never showed up.


Comment by Raine on 01/04/2016 16:27:10
Comment by BobR on 01/04/2016 16:31:35
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, Tri, which Boston Globe reporter or editor delivered your paper yestersday.

None. My Sunday Globe never showed up.

The way newspapers are cutting back on real reporting these days, I'm not surprised

Comment by Raine on 01/04/2016 16:31:58
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2016 16:33:00
Quote by wickedpam:
liberal confession - didn't listen to Steph's show at all while she wasn't there this time - just don't find John that entertaining or informative. Last time he covered for Steph it was 90% sports
When I did listen, John was more entertaining than Monique Marvez.


Comment by Raine on 01/04/2016 16:33:56
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
The thing is with these lunatice, they ARE looking for another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

assholes.

except I think they truly believe they would win.



I'm of the thought they want to be martyrs for their cause.
I think this is exactly what they want.

They still enshrine McVeigh as a hero.


Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 16:34:51
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, Tri, which Boston Globe reporter or editor delivered your paper yestersday.


None. My Sunday Globe never showed up.


I heard a little thing about the delivery yesterday. Apparently the Globe changed distributors a couple weeks ago and People Are Not Happy. So, yesterday they had reporters and editors out delivery papers as goodwill gesture. Apparently, in your case, not so much.


Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/04/2016 16:44:26
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Does pepper spray work from the air?


You could probably spray it from the air, but you would have to fly very low. That would make your aircraft susceptible small arms fire from the ground.


Well, once they've shot at you, you just ventilate them.

Comment by BobR on 01/04/2016 16:50:54
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Does pepper spray work from the air?

You could probably spray it from the air, but you would have to fly very low. That would make your aircraft susceptible small arms fire from the ground.

Well, once they've shot at you, you just ventilate them.

I'm not sure what the policy is for having the U.S. Military strike its own citizens in their own country. I know the National Guard has done that (Kent State), so that may be an option.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/04/2016 16:55:02
Quote by BobR:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Does pepper spray work from the air?

You could probably spray it from the air, but you would have to fly very low. That would make your aircraft susceptible small arms fire from the ground.

Well, once they've shot at you, you just ventilate them.

I'm not sure what the policy is for having the U.S. Military strike its own citizens in their own country. I know the National Guard has done that (Kent State), so that may be an option.

I would think the National Park Service, National Guard or the State of Oregon would have something that could be co-ordinated and brought to bear.


Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/04/2016 17:53:04
Hello, bloggers!! Happy New Year, such as it is.

I think that blockading the refuge, preventing access, cutting utilities, and giving a few incentives to have people surrender is appropriate. I do not want to see these fanatics get more attention, let alone martyrdom.

As for myself, I am home today as this is the first day of class. I am hoping that this is the year where things turn around for me.

Comment by Scoopster on 01/04/2016 17:58:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, Tri, which Boston Globe reporter or editor delivered your paper yestersday.


None. My Sunday Globe never showed up.

I heard a little thing about the delivery yesterday. Apparently the Globe changed distributors a couple weeks ago and People Are Not Happy. So, yesterday they had reporters and editors out delivery papers as goodwill gesture. Apparently, in your case, not so much.

Most of the folks I know down my way who get the Sunday Globe didn't get it either. My boss mentioned that the advertisers are certainly not happy about this mess, not to mention the people who lost their jobs in circulation to an outsource contract.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 18:35:15
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, Tri, which Boston Globe reporter or editor delivered your paper yestersday.


None. My Sunday Globe never showed up.

I heard a little thing about the delivery yesterday. Apparently the Globe changed distributors a couple weeks ago and People Are Not Happy. So, yesterday they had reporters and editors out delivery papers as goodwill gesture. Apparently, in your case, not so much.

Most of the folks I know down my way who get the Sunday Globe didn't get it either. My boss mentioned that the advertisers are certainly not happy about this mess, not to mention the people who lost their jobs in circulation to an outsource contract.



You mean paper carries? Teenagers?

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 18:36:25
Quote by BobR:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Does pepper spray work from the air?

You could probably spray it from the air, but you would have to fly very low. That would make your aircraft susceptible small arms fire from the ground.

Well, once they've shot at you, you just ventilate them.

I'm not sure what the policy is for having the U.S. Military strike its own citizens in their own country. I know the National Guard has done that (Kent State), so that may be an option.



The Posse Comitatus Act disallows the use of the regular Army for any sort of law enforcement.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 18:47:11
Comment by Scoopster on 01/04/2016 19:12:22
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, Tri, which Boston Globe reporter or editor delivered your paper yestersday.


None. My Sunday Globe never showed up.

I heard a little thing about the delivery yesterday. Apparently the Globe changed distributors a couple weeks ago and People Are Not Happy. So, yesterday they had reporters and editors out delivery papers as goodwill gesture. Apparently, in your case, not so much.

Most of the folks I know down my way who get the Sunday Globe didn't get it either. My boss mentioned that the advertisers are certainly not happy about this mess, not to mention the people who lost their jobs in circulation to an outsource contract.

You mean paper carries? Teenagers?

I'm guessing their handlers and drivers too.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 19:13:21
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, Tri, which Boston Globe reporter or editor delivered your paper yestersday.


None. My Sunday Globe never showed up.

I heard a little thing about the delivery yesterday. Apparently the Globe changed distributors a couple weeks ago and People Are Not Happy. So, yesterday they had reporters and editors out delivery papers as goodwill gesture. Apparently, in your case, not so much.

Most of the folks I know down my way who get the Sunday Globe didn't get it either. My boss mentioned that the advertisers are certainly not happy about this mess, not to mention the people who lost their jobs in circulation to an outsource contract.

You mean paper carries? Teenagers?

I'm guessing their handlers and drivers too.



They don't use paper kids any longer. Like all major dailies they use a delivery contractor.


Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2016 19:58:31
You do realize that take over in Oregon is part of the Tyrant, Obama's plan to take away your guns, right? While the whole country is focused on these brave Patriots crisis actors, Obama is taking executive action on guns. It is a classic false flag operation, sheeple. Wake up!