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Bernie or Busted to Hell
Author: BobR    Date: 03/30/2016 13:06:13

"Bernie or Bust!"

"I could never vote for Hillary"

"We need a revolution!"

These are the catchphrases I hear coming from the extreme wing of the Sanders supporters. In their minds, we are teetering on a precipice, and - like the Grinch whose heart grew 3 sizes - only he can save us from going over the edge. But there's also a little bit of the "if I don't get my way, I'm taking my ball and going home" attitude. These people feel that if Sanders does not become the Democratic Party nominee, then they will either a: write him in, b: stay home, or c: vote for Trump. Those options are based on whether they really love Bernie, think there's no point in choosing between Clinton and Trump, or think that having an incompetent, racist, narcissistic outsider is better than a more-than-competent, experienced insider.

Susan Sarandon is just the latest high-profile celebrity to weigh in on this shit show, but her rationale fits the narrative:
...Sarandon, a Bernie Sanders surrogate, said she was unsure if she could bring herself to vote for Hillary Clinton in a general election. Hayes was shocked, but Sarandon posited that a Trump presidency might be preferable to a Clinton one, because it would hasten the revolution. “Some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately if he gets in, things will really explode,” she said.

Yes - she (and numerous Sanders supporters) actually think there will be some sort of "revolution" sweeping the country, from sea to shining sea, replacing our sloth-like government with idealists who will usher in a bright new future where everyone shares the benefits of America's bounty. Perhaps they should all watch Les Miserables to see how ad-hoc revolutions tend to end up. They should also remember which side of the political spectrum tends to be well-armed.

The notion that Trump is no worse than Clinton (or that Clinton is as bad as Trump) is absurd. Sure - she's fairly moderate, and her positions tend to drift in the direction of political expediency. But there are still hard and fast boundaries between them, as it relates to women's rights (and just respect for women in general), minority rights, LGBT rights, religious freedom, etc. There is more at stake here than the 1% and Wall Street.

Two news items illustrate that importance. Yesterday, the SCOTUS deadlocked on a case involving unions that allowed a lower court ruling in favor of the unions to stand. It was Scalia's absence that made the difference. There is also the case that Trump's campaign manager has been charged with simple battery for assaulting a news reporter.

In both of those cases, the Court matters. The Courts have long been the final arbiter regarding laws and over-reaching public officials. Sometimes (in Trump's case), it's all that stands between our liberty and a politician's private "security" force. A Trump-friendly court would mean we'd begin to look a little more like a banana-republic - except one with an extremely powerful and well-funded military.

Regardless of anything else that this campaign is ostensibly about, it is ultimately about the Supreme Court. There is already one vacancy... 3 of the current members are in their 80s, so the next president may be putting 3-4 new members into that court. Do you really want Trump (and his "advisers") to be the ones doing the picking?

America or Bust.
 

25 comments (Latest Comment: 03/30/2016 23:36:37 by livingonli)
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Comment by Raine on 03/30/2016 13:32:12
Comment by Raine on 03/30/2016 13:35:52
Good morning!

Comment by wickedpam on 03/30/2016 13:36:28
Morning

Comment by TriSec on 03/30/2016 13:37:29
Quote by Raine:
What the hell is this?

PAid protesters against Tammy Duckworth?


SA Brownshirts.

Comment by BobR on 03/30/2016 13:41:28
BLOG IS POSTED!

Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/30/2016 14:02:36
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
What the hell is this?

PAid protesters against Tammy Duckworth?


SA Brownshirts.


Not surprising. Mark Kirk is desperate but I did not think that he was this stupid.

I am willing to take blogs the next two weeks on Monday and Thursdays.

BobR, while I support Bernie, I feel that Hillary Clinton is far preferable to any Republican. There is a lot at stake in this election, and I will not let the perfect be the enemy of the good or the manageable. A Republican president would not listen to the concerns of progressives and would ignore any pressure.

Comment by wickedpam on 03/30/2016 14:07:20
This is a trend that I've been worried about for a while really. That it could all go Nader in November and we get stuck with Trump.

Comment by Scoopster on 03/30/2016 14:13:35
Mornin' all..

It'd be really mean to mention something about Mark Kirk's stroke not having any affect on his mental faculties because he's a brainless Republican anyways, so I won't say that.

Comment by Scoopster on 03/30/2016 14:19:00
Quote by wickedpam:
This is a trend that I've been worried about for a while really. That it could all go Nader in November and we get stuck with Trump.

I think it's more likely that whoever doesn't win the GOP nod (probably Cruz, unless the party screws Trump at the convention), or an outsider like Romney, will go independent and split the vote on their side. Really no matter what angle you look at the Dem nominee can take this down.

Comment by Raine on 03/30/2016 15:06:24
In light of the blog, let me just put this here.

The National Review would rather have Hillary over Trump.

So to all those assholes who won't vote for Hilary if she is the nominee, you are to the right of the F*CKING NATIONAL REVIEW.



Comment by Raine on 03/30/2016 15:07:25
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
This is a trend that I've been worried about for a while really. That it could all go Nader in November and we get stuck with Trump.

I think it's more likely that whoever doesn't win the GOP nod (probably Cruz, unless the party screws Trump at the convention), or an outsider like Romney, will go independent and split the vote on their side. Really no matter what angle you look at the Dem nominee can take this down.

Don;t count out Ryan.

Never count him out.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/30/2016 15:08:40
My basic reaction to Susan Sarandon is a little abrasive:



Shut your privileged fucking pie hole, you aren't helping.

Comment by buckeyeken on 03/30/2016 15:12:25
I believe that people become more progressive, more acceptable to major changes in tough circumstances for example the depression and the new deal, Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. I think that Trump will run us off of a cliff rather quickly and this may be the only way to bring down the oligarchy. Make no mistake Trump is far worse than Hillary that is the point. However I could never vote for Trump or any rethug. I will be voting for Jill Stein.

Comment by BobR on 03/30/2016 15:18:16
Quote by Raine:
In light of the blog, let me just put this here.

The National Review would rather have Hillary over Trump.

So to all those assholes who won't vote for Hilary if she is the nominee, you are to the right of the F*CKING NATIONAL REVIEW.

For the National Review, that was a pretty fair article.

Comment by Raine on 03/30/2016 15:23:07
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
In light of the blog, let me just put this here.

The National Review would rather have Hillary over Trump.

So to all those assholes who won't vote for Hilary if she is the nominee, you are to the right of the F*CKING NATIONAL REVIEW.

For the National Review, that was a pretty fair article.

Right?

Comment by TriSec on 03/30/2016 15:44:53
Say Scoop, did you have anything to do with that Iceland/RI video I heard about on NECN this morning?

Comment by Scoopster on 03/30/2016 15:47:02
Quote by TriSec:
Say Scoop, did you have anything to do with that Iceland/RI video I heard about on NECN this morning?

Wait whaaa?

Comment by TriSec on 03/30/2016 15:50:32
A Rhode Island tourism video apparently showcases some footage of attractions that are actually in Iceland...

Comment by Scoopster on 03/30/2016 15:52:47
Quote by TriSec:
A Rhode Island tourism video apparently showcases some footage of attractions that are actually in Iceland...

Oh nope I didn't see that one. I did see the thing where the site claims that Rhode Island has 20% of the country's historic landmarks within its borders (probably a typo).

Comment by livingonli on 03/30/2016 16:45:54
My new phone does not seem to like any charger when I am home. I can't get it to stay in power up mode.

Comment by Raine on 03/30/2016 19:11:17
back from the spa in pepararation for the big trip!

Comment by Raine on 03/30/2016 19:11:53
Quote by livingonli:
My new phone does not seem to like any charger when I am home. I can't get it to stay in power up mode.

That's strange...

Is it the phone or your charger?

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/30/2016 19:25:21
Bobber, NoSQL?

Comment by BobR on 03/30/2016 20:05:05
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bobber, NoSQL?

Haven't used it - no opinion

Comment by livingonli on 03/30/2016 23:36:37
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
My new phone does not seem to like any charger when I am home. I can't get it to stay in power up mode.

That's strange...

Is it the phone or your charger?

i went to the Verizon store, it looks like the charger port is loose so they are going to replace my phone.