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It's all about the Resume
Author: TriSec
Date: 08/02/2008 12:59:34
Good Morning.
By now, you've probably seen Senator McCain's latest TV Ad. But if you haven't I'm sorry you won't get this 1:14 of your life back.
This ad actually struck me as generally favorable towards Obama...but then there's Moses. (Hey, I thought Barack was Muslim, but I digress). Others have called the ad offensive and stupid.
But does it ask a legitimate question? "Is he ready to lead?"
Much has been made this election cycle about Senator Obama's "inexperience". Yet, in our presidential history, so very few men have had any *real* experience at being president and have gone on to do great things. Conversely, those with mountains of experience that should have made them great presidents have ended in disaster and disgrace.
What makes anyone ready to be president? There's no training program, no college course, no apprenticeship for the job. Every single president we've had walked into the office not knowing what was going to happen on January 21, and learned and adapted on the fly.
So...let's do a little experiment today. I've gone back through history and put together a brief resume for 7 likely candidates for the office. Please read them carefully and decide who you might vote for based on their experience. I'll post a poll; please pick before you go in the blog. The candidate's names will be posted inside.
Again I ask, who has the experience to be president? I daresay no one. What's important is more abstract...does the candidate have the intelligence and temperment? Does he show more than a passing awareness with the issues that really matter to Americans? Is he ready to step onto the global stage and work with other world leaders as partners? Does he talk to you, or talk down to you?
These are the things that matter. Who are you going to vote for?
[on edit: I seem to be having a problem creating a poll this morning; it didn't save properly, and now I can't see it. Nevertheless, please pick a candidate before proceeding into the blog. - TriSec]
By now, you've probably seen Senator McCain's latest TV Ad. But if you haven't I'm sorry you won't get this 1:14 of your life back.
This ad actually struck me as generally favorable towards Obama...but then there's Moses. (Hey, I thought Barack was Muslim, but I digress). Others have called the ad offensive and stupid.
But does it ask a legitimate question? "Is he ready to lead?"
Much has been made this election cycle about Senator Obama's "inexperience". Yet, in our presidential history, so very few men have had any *real* experience at being president and have gone on to do great things. Conversely, those with mountains of experience that should have made them great presidents have ended in disaster and disgrace.
What makes anyone ready to be president? There's no training program, no college course, no apprenticeship for the job. Every single president we've had walked into the office not knowing what was going to happen on January 21, and learned and adapted on the fly.
So...let's do a little experiment today. I've gone back through history and put together a brief resume for 7 likely candidates for the office. Please read them carefully and decide who you might vote for based on their experience. I'll post a poll; please pick before you go in the blog. The candidate's names will be posted inside.
Candidate A:
Attended Yale, member of "Skull and Bones"
Was a county assistant prosecutor and tax collector
Appointed Solicitor General of the United States for one term
Member of US Sixth Circuit court of Appeals
Apointed Secretary of Defense for one term
Candidate B:
Completely home schooled, no formal education
Lost first campaign for State Legislature
Eventually was elected, served four terms in the State Legislature
Elected to US House of Representatives; served one term
Retired from politics; worked as a defense attorney for several years
Ran for US Senate and lost
Candidate C:
Was an economics and sociology major
Served in the US Army
Elected president of his professional union
Served two terms as a state governor
Ran for president and lost the first time
Was out of public office for four years
Candidate D:
Graduated last in his class
Served in the US Navy
Spent 6 years in prison
Elected to US house of representatives; served two terms
Elected to US Senate; served 4 terms
Was involved in a campaign finance scandal; cleared by his Senate colleagues
Member of Senate Armed Service committee
Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee
Candidate E:
Attended private schools; graduated from Harvard
Served in the US Navy
Won his first campaign for US House of Representatives; served 3 terms
Wrote a book; won Pulitzer Prize
Won his first campaign for US Senate; did not complete term before running for President
Candidate F:
Was Rhodes Scholar; Graduated from Yale Law School
Worked on one presidential campaign as a low-level staffer
Ran for the US House of Representatives and lost
Was elected state Attorney General in an unopposed election
Ran for governor and won; served two terms
Candidate G:
Spent much of his youth overseas
Attended Columbia and Harvard Law
Taught Constitutional Law for 12 years
Ran for state senate and won; served 3 terms
Lost first campaign for US senate; became chairman of state Health and Human Services committee while out of office
Ran for senate again and won, member of Foreign Relations, Environment and Public works, and Veteran's affairs committees. Chairman of European affairs subcommittee
Candidate H:
Worked for US Geological Survey
Spent much time overseas, overseeing many US mining concerns
Was caught in a war while overseas; wife worked in local hospitals while he helped defend the city and rescue trapped children
Invented process to recover zinc lost in mine tailings
Was strong advocate for immigration, said 'immigrants work 20% harder than anyone else
Helped rescue over 100,000 Americans trapped overseas by a major war
Was head of war relief effort; spent two years organizing delivery of food and supplies to 9 million war refugees
Was appointed Secretary of Commerce
Directed local relief efforts after catastrophic flood in US; his organization prevented widespread disease and helped local population quickly recover after flood subsided.
Again I ask, who has the experience to be president? I daresay no one. What's important is more abstract...does the candidate have the intelligence and temperment? Does he show more than a passing awareness with the issues that really matter to Americans? Is he ready to step onto the global stage and work with other world leaders as partners? Does he talk to you, or talk down to you?
These are the things that matter. Who are you going to vote for?
[on edit: I seem to be having a problem creating a poll this morning; it didn't save properly, and now I can't see it. Nevertheless, please pick a candidate before proceeding into the blog. - TriSec]
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Comment by 
capt on 08/02/2008 13:09:02
capt on 08/02/2008 13:09:02
Good Morning!
(why do I always capitalize morning? no one knows)
Excellent post - intelligence and temperment!! Those are really the only two I can invest in. The basics of "readiness" are all covered before a candidate starts a "run" - McCain and his camp aren't ready for primetime based on what they do and say, lack of temperment. I think McCain could have been a viable candidate in 2000 but the GOP machine decided on Bunnypants - now they pay the price.
Thanks man!
(why do I always capitalize morning? no one knows)
Excellent post - intelligence and temperment!! Those are really the only two I can invest in. The basics of "readiness" are all covered before a candidate starts a "run" - McCain and his camp aren't ready for primetime based on what they do and say, lack of temperment. I think McCain could have been a viable candidate in 2000 but the GOP machine decided on Bunnypants - now they pay the price.
Thanks man!
Comment by 
TriSec on 08/02/2008 13:13:15
TriSec on 08/02/2008 13:13:15
As Promised...
Candidate A: William Howard Taft, aka "Mr. Republican"
Candidate B: Abraham Lincoln
Candidate C: Ronald Reagan
Candidate D: John McCain
Candidate E: John F. Kennedy
Candidate F: Bill Clinton
Candidate G: Barack Obama
Candidate H: Herbert Hoover
Candidate A: William Howard Taft, aka "Mr. Republican"
Candidate B: Abraham Lincoln
Candidate C: Ronald Reagan
Candidate D: John McCain
Candidate E: John F. Kennedy
Candidate F: Bill Clinton
Candidate G: Barack Obama
Candidate H: Herbert Hoover
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 13:14:52
capt on 08/02/2008 13:14:52
Commander Bunnypants!
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 13:19:54
Happy Birthday to Joybles! (my better half by bunches)
capt on 08/02/2008 13:19:54
Happy Birthday to Joybles! (my better half by bunches)
Comment by 
Random on 08/02/2008 13:26:36
I think you should have kept the actual names out of the selection process...Now it's no longer get an idea of which one would vote for, but a name.
Random on 08/02/2008 13:26:36
Quote by TriSec:
As Promised...
Candidate A: William Howard Taft, aka "Mr. Republican"
Candidate B: Abraham Lincoln
Candidate C: Ronald Reagan
Candidate D: John McCain
Candidate E: John F. Kennedy
Candidate F: Bill Clinton
Candidate G: Barack Obama
Candidate H: Herbert Hoover
I think you should have kept the actual names out of the selection process...Now it's no longer get an idea of which one would vote for, but a name.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 08/02/2008 13:26:43
trojanrabbit on 08/02/2008 13:26:43
Good morning to all. :metal:
Excellent post. There is no job that will give someone the requisite experience to be POTUS, but when you see the two candidates on the campaign trail the differences are like night and day. On the one hand, you have someone youthful, energetic, charismatic with a quick mind who has the smarts to surround himself with the right people. On the other hand, you have someone who could be a substitute for Flipper, but also gets confused easily (or can't get his flip-flops/lies straight in his head) and we're still waiting for that outburst of anger that you know is coming. What's worse is that he has decided that letting the same handlers that brought George the Lesser to power is the only way he can get to the Oval Office.
Just for chuckles (well, not really I'm trying to find some installation CD's that keep getting in my way, but now that I WANT THEM....) I have stumbled upon some "vintage" SMS disks (if you can consider October of 2005 "vintage"). I'm now listening to one of George the Lesser's "speeches" being given the MST3000 treatment.
:rofl: :rofl:
Excellent post. There is no job that will give someone the requisite experience to be POTUS, but when you see the two candidates on the campaign trail the differences are like night and day. On the one hand, you have someone youthful, energetic, charismatic with a quick mind who has the smarts to surround himself with the right people. On the other hand, you have someone who could be a substitute for Flipper, but also gets confused easily (or can't get his flip-flops/lies straight in his head) and we're still waiting for that outburst of anger that you know is coming. What's worse is that he has decided that letting the same handlers that brought George the Lesser to power is the only way he can get to the Oval Office.
Just for chuckles (well, not really I'm trying to find some installation CD's that keep getting in my way, but now that I WANT THEM....) I have stumbled upon some "vintage" SMS disks (if you can consider October of 2005 "vintage"). I'm now listening to one of George the Lesser's "speeches" being given the MST3000 treatment.
:rofl: :rofl:
Comment by TriSec on 08/02/2008 13:34:43
TriSec on 08/02/2008 13:34:43
Some jokes for a Saturday, courtesy of Blue Mass Group:
From Ben Alper:
The Massachusetts House of Representatives gave initial approval to a bill that would require all legislation be written in a gender neutral language. The bill was sponsored by Representatives Pat Jones, Lee Smith, and Terry Harper.
Jeff Beatty, the Republican challenger to Sen. John Kerry believes that if John McCain picks Mitt Romney to be his running mate, the GOP will carry Massachusetts in November -- and drive Beatty's numbers up into the single digits.
From Daniel Kurtzman:
"Have you seen the new commercial? The McCain campaign compares Barack Obama to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. And today the Obama campaign released an ad comparing John McCain to Zsa Zsa Gabor and Bea Arthur." --Jay Leno
"Barack Obama gave a speech in Germany and 200,000 people showed up. There were so many Germans shouting and screaming that France surrendered just in case." --Craig Ferguson
"Barack Obama says that next month he's planning on spending a week on vacation in Hawaii. When he heard this, President Bush said, 'Pace yourself, because once you become president, the vacations start coming fast and furious.'" --Conan O'Brien
"And according to the TV show 'Extra,' former vice president Dan Quayle, remember him? He's in the running to join the cast of 'Dancing with the Stars.' That's true, Dan Quayle, you remember, he was vice president under the first George Bush. See, that was back in the day when the president was smart and the vice president was an idiot. Now, of course, everything's turned around." --Jay Leno
"Then this morning, the senator paid a visit to the Western Wall, one of the holiest sites in Judaism, where he followed the custom of putting a message into one of the wall's crevices. It's typically a prayer to God. Through my connections, I managed to get a hold of Obama's prayer. It reads, 'Dear God, Please protect my nuts from Jesse Jackson.' Gotta make sure this gets back in that wall. Note to self, put back in wall." --Stephen Colbert
From Ben Alper:
The Massachusetts House of Representatives gave initial approval to a bill that would require all legislation be written in a gender neutral language. The bill was sponsored by Representatives Pat Jones, Lee Smith, and Terry Harper.
Jeff Beatty, the Republican challenger to Sen. John Kerry believes that if John McCain picks Mitt Romney to be his running mate, the GOP will carry Massachusetts in November -- and drive Beatty's numbers up into the single digits.
From Daniel Kurtzman:
"Have you seen the new commercial? The McCain campaign compares Barack Obama to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. And today the Obama campaign released an ad comparing John McCain to Zsa Zsa Gabor and Bea Arthur." --Jay Leno
"Barack Obama gave a speech in Germany and 200,000 people showed up. There were so many Germans shouting and screaming that France surrendered just in case." --Craig Ferguson
"Barack Obama says that next month he's planning on spending a week on vacation in Hawaii. When he heard this, President Bush said, 'Pace yourself, because once you become president, the vacations start coming fast and furious.'" --Conan O'Brien
"And according to the TV show 'Extra,' former vice president Dan Quayle, remember him? He's in the running to join the cast of 'Dancing with the Stars.' That's true, Dan Quayle, you remember, he was vice president under the first George Bush. See, that was back in the day when the president was smart and the vice president was an idiot. Now, of course, everything's turned around." --Jay Leno
"Then this morning, the senator paid a visit to the Western Wall, one of the holiest sites in Judaism, where he followed the custom of putting a message into one of the wall's crevices. It's typically a prayer to God. Through my connections, I managed to get a hold of Obama's prayer. It reads, 'Dear God, Please protect my nuts from Jesse Jackson.' Gotta make sure this gets back in that wall. Note to self, put back in wall." --Stephen Colbert
Comment by 
m-hadley on 08/02/2008 13:41:28
m-hadley on 08/02/2008 13:41:28
Mornin' Everybody,
Heya Capt - give a big Birthday
to your other half today :D
I spotted McCain right away as I'd heard that he graduated last in his Navy class, I also didn't have any trouble picking out Obama or Big Dog Clinton, but the others were not so clear to me. Great interactive post, TriSec. Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of daze - I have been fighting that relentless monster (depression) that gets a hold of me from time to time...
But today is looking up and I think I'll walk to the drug store before it gets so blasted hot outside. Happee Saturdee Blog-mates :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace: & :dance:
Heya Capt - give a big Birthday
to your other half today :DI spotted McCain right away as I'd heard that he graduated last in his Navy class, I also didn't have any trouble picking out Obama or Big Dog Clinton, but the others were not so clear to me. Great interactive post, TriSec. Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of daze - I have been fighting that relentless monster (depression) that gets a hold of me from time to time...
But today is looking up and I think I'll walk to the drug store before it gets so blasted hot outside. Happee Saturdee Blog-mates :PCheers,
mfaye
:peace: & :dance:
Comment by 
liam1965 on 08/02/2008 13:51:41
Let's be fair. It was fifth from the bottom. 894 out of 899, as I recall.
liam1965 on 08/02/2008 13:51:41
Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everybody,
Heya Capt - give a big Birthday
I spotted McCain right away as I'd heard that he graduated last in his Navy class, I also didn't have any trouble picking out Obama or Big Dog Clinton, but the others were not so clear to me. Great interactive post, TriSec. Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of daze - I have been fighting that relentless monster (depression) that gets a hold of me from time to time...
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace: & :dance:
Let's be fair. It was fifth from the bottom. 894 out of 899, as I recall.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/02/2008 13:54:12
liam1965 on 08/02/2008 13:54:12
Sorry to hear about your depression, mfaye. I have it as well, and it's been so bad lately my kids (around whom I usually plaster on the fake grin and play happy happy) have apparently noticed (or so says my wife).
I just can't seem to shake this one. I have dysthymia with cyclical major depression, but I seem to be stuck in high gear on the dysthymia or in a moderate major depressive episode... for most of the last few months at least. :(
I just can't seem to shake this one. I have dysthymia with cyclical major depression, but I seem to be stuck in high gear on the dysthymia or in a moderate major depressive episode... for most of the last few months at least. :(
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 08/02/2008 13:58:34
velveeta jones on 08/02/2008 13:58:34
Great poll! LOVE IT!! :clap:
Okay, the 'A' Taft, really through me for a loop. I had no idea! Lincoln wasn't too hard, because of course, only before the invention of mass media would we be able to elect a President with no formal education! (Unlike today where we can elect a total boob who snorted his way through Yale).
Okay, the 'A' Taft, really through me for a loop. I had no idea! Lincoln wasn't too hard, because of course, only before the invention of mass media would we be able to elect a President with no formal education! (Unlike today where we can elect a total boob who snorted his way through Yale).
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 14:13:48
capt on 08/02/2008 14:13:48
Thanks mFaye,
I have PTSD, am bi-polar with severe depression. Was in counseling and therapy since I was placed in foster homes due to abusive parents. (both in law enforcement) until about three years ago..
I have been through every SSRI, mood elevator, and anti-depressant and a few anti-psychotics.
Nothing really helped - talk therapy was interesting and helped me to identify many sources and rudiments but eventually even that faded into blah blah blah.
I self medicate with some herb - that has been the only thing over the years that makes me feel better.
I am better today than yesterday and better again tomorrow. You will get there too.
I learned you have to be the light at the end of your tunnel - no one and nothing else will light that way.
(same for you too Liam)
One thing I often reflect on is:
On each persons last day on earth - the reflection of what we are is a view of everything. The good and the bad, the celebrations and the suffering. One cannot have good days without the bad, cannot experience the highs without the lows.
I have PTSD, am bi-polar with severe depression. Was in counseling and therapy since I was placed in foster homes due to abusive parents. (both in law enforcement) until about three years ago..
I have been through every SSRI, mood elevator, and anti-depressant and a few anti-psychotics.
Nothing really helped - talk therapy was interesting and helped me to identify many sources and rudiments but eventually even that faded into blah blah blah.
I self medicate with some herb - that has been the only thing over the years that makes me feel better.
I am better today than yesterday and better again tomorrow. You will get there too.
I learned you have to be the light at the end of your tunnel - no one and nothing else will light that way.
(same for you too Liam)
One thing I often reflect on is:
On each persons last day on earth - the reflection of what we are is a view of everything. The good and the bad, the celebrations and the suffering. One cannot have good days without the bad, cannot experience the highs without the lows.
Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it.
Helen Keller (1880 - 1968)
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 14:38:09
capt on 08/02/2008 14:38:09
For those that couldn't get it to work . . .
Blooper: Hannity punks himself on anti-McCain Campain ad.
Works now - the problem seems to be "sitemeter" and IE . . . FWIW
Blooper: Hannity punks himself on anti-McCain Campain ad.
Works now - the problem seems to be "sitemeter" and IE . . . FWIW
Comment by 
BobR on 08/02/2008 14:48:05
BobR on 08/02/2008 14:48:05
not looking, not looking...
Candidate "C" seems to have the best "executive" experience. I like that candidate "G" taught Constitutional law - one would expect that he/she would respect the Constitution. Candidate "H" seems to have experience that would indicate that he/she cares for people that need it, as well as "foreign" experience.
It's hard to gauge from these descriptions their temperment, whether any of them have the personality to inspire people to sacrifice and do the right thing, and whether they could work with people in foreign lands (both friend and foe) to get to win-win resolutions.
Candidate "C" seems to have the best "executive" experience. I like that candidate "G" taught Constitutional law - one would expect that he/she would respect the Constitution. Candidate "H" seems to have experience that would indicate that he/she cares for people that need it, as well as "foreign" experience.
It's hard to gauge from these descriptions their temperment, whether any of them have the personality to inspire people to sacrifice and do the right thing, and whether they could work with people in foreign lands (both friend and foe) to get to win-win resolutions.
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 14:56:19
capt on 08/02/2008 14:56:19
Obama calls McCain campaign cynical but not racist
(speaking of temperment?)
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he doesn't think the campaign of rival John McCain is racist but that his Republican opponent's campaign is cynical.
Obama's comments today in Florida come after the McCain campaign charged this week that Obama had "played the race card" in accusing McCain and others of planning to scare voters about how he looks.
Obama says the cynicism comes from the McCain campaign's efforts to distract voters from real issues and engaging in negative attacks.
On the subject of offshore drilling for oil, Obama says he remains skeptical of some of the drilling proposals in a bipartisan energy bill but is open to compromise if other proposals support energy independence.
(speaking of temperment?)
Comment by velveeta jones on 08/02/2008 15:03:23
:rofl: :rofl:
Give that FOX™ intern a MEDAL!! He or she bravely lost their job for that subversive display of subterfuge.
:clap:
velveeta jones on 08/02/2008 15:03:23
Quote by capt:
For those that couldn't get it to work . . .
Blooper: Hannity punks himself on anti-McCain Campain ad.
Works now - the problem seems to be "sitemeter" and IE . . . FWIW
:rofl: :rofl:
Give that FOX™ intern a MEDAL!! He or she bravely lost their job for that subversive display of subterfuge.
:clap:
Comment by 
Raine on 08/02/2008 15:21:22
Raine on 08/02/2008 15:21:22
Good morning everyone!
Excellent post today Tri.
Excellent post today Tri.
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 15:23:42
capt on 08/02/2008 15:23:42
Mornin Raine!
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 15:29:15
capt on 08/02/2008 15:29:15
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 15:35:06
capt on 08/02/2008 15:35:06
Analysis: Democrats exact price from Bush for war
A piece that reminds me of one important fact:
A piece that reminds me of one important fact:
In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican.
~ H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 15:43:52
capt on 08/02/2008 15:43:52
John McCain is a racist
Of course, many in the GOP are racist. Most of them do not see it in themselves. The hate is very deeply seated in and diluted by other expressed ideologies but they aren't even kidding themselves anymore.
John McCain is not just selling fear of a black man to win the presidency, he is actually scared to death a black man will be president. Fear is never reasonable that is why McCain is coming across as so petty and pathetic.
I imagine a "Few Good Men" moment in one of the debates:
McCain: "You want the truth? Damn right I don't want a president to be a man of COLOR!"
(A hush falls over the audience. CNN goes to commercial break . . .)
:rofl:
Of course, many in the GOP are racist. Most of them do not see it in themselves. The hate is very deeply seated in and diluted by other expressed ideologies but they aren't even kidding themselves anymore.
John McCain is not just selling fear of a black man to win the presidency, he is actually scared to death a black man will be president. Fear is never reasonable that is why McCain is coming across as so petty and pathetic.
I imagine a "Few Good Men" moment in one of the debates:
McCain: "You want the truth? Damn right I don't want a president to be a man of COLOR!"
(A hush falls over the audience. CNN goes to commercial break . . .)
:rofl:
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 15:54:38
capt on 08/02/2008 15:54:38
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 16:12:39
capt on 08/02/2008 16:12:39
*checks blog for a pulse*
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 16:17:35
capt on 08/02/2008 16:17:35
Instant-Messagers Really Are About Six Degrees from Kevin Bacon
Turns out, it is a small world.
The "small world theory," embodied in the old saw that there are just "six degrees of separation" between any two strangers on Earth, has been largely corroborated by a massive study of electronic communication.
With records of 30 billion electronic conversations among 180 million people from around the world, researchers have concluded that any two people on average are distanced by just 6.6 degrees of separation, meaning that they could be linked by a string of seven or fewer acquaintances.
Comment by 
starling310 on 08/02/2008 16:18:37
starling310 on 08/02/2008 16:18:37
Hey all! Wow...I was between E & G....I picked G in the end. But, either way I would have been happy; Kennedy or Obama.
Capt...Happy Birthday to Joybles!!!
Capt...Happy Birthday to Joybles!!!
Comment by starling310 on 08/02/2008 16:23:42
It's always nice when an "attack ad" is simply using their own words against them.
Yay Democrats.org!!
starling310 on 08/02/2008 16:23:42
Quote by capt:
It's always nice when an "attack ad" is simply using their own words against them.
Yay Democrats.org!!
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 16:29:25
She sends her thanks for the well wishes!
She's meeting her mom at the casino to play some bingo. One of her favored forms of entertainment.
capt on 08/02/2008 16:29:25
Quote by starling310:
Hey all! Wow...I was between E & G....I picked G in the end. But, either way I would have been happy; Kennedy or Obama.
Capt...Happy Birthday to Joybles!!!
She sends her thanks for the well wishes!
She's meeting her mom at the casino to play some bingo. One of her favored forms of entertainment.
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 16:33:56
capt on 08/02/2008 16:33:56
Drowning Out Obama With “Rain of Biblical Proportions”
With a video - can you feel the love?
How do these creeps pass themselves off as religious or Christian? In general people do like hate, we all know hate sucks. The whole hate liberals, homo's and anybody different from them is just so petty and small minded.
With a video - can you feel the love?
How do these creeps pass themselves off as religious or Christian? In general people do like hate, we all know hate sucks. The whole hate liberals, homo's and anybody different from them is just so petty and small minded.
Comment by starling310 on 08/02/2008 16:46:02
starling310 on 08/02/2008 16:46:02
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:12:10
Faye & Liam I feel your pain so to speak. I also suffer from depression. As do my brother, my father, my two late uncles (one killed himself) and one of my cousins on my father's side of the family. Ya see a pattern here? Some say there is no genetic component in depression. Riiiiiiiiiiigt.
So if I can ask, whaddya all take?
Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:12:10
Quote by liam1965:
Sorry to hear about your depression, mfaye. I have it as well, and it's been so bad lately my kids (around whom I usually plaster on the fake grin and play happy happy) have apparently noticed (or so says my wife).
I just can't seem to shake this one. I have dysthymia with cyclical major depression, but I seem to be stuck in high gear on the dysthymia or in a moderate major depressive episode... for most of the last few months at least. :(
Faye & Liam I feel your pain so to speak. I also suffer from depression. As do my brother, my father, my two late uncles (one killed himself) and one of my cousins on my father's side of the family. Ya see a pattern here? Some say there is no genetic component in depression. Riiiiiiiiiiigt.
So if I can ask, whaddya all take?
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 17:20:57
Also Solar on the house can be WAY more cost effective for the consumer if it charges the auto and gets rid of the gasoline. It is truly a win-win-win!
capt on 08/02/2008 17:20:57
Quote by starling310:
Electric Cars are the Key!
I hope Obama will take the Energy crisis seriously a la Jimmy Carter!
Also Solar on the house can be WAY more cost effective for the consumer if it charges the auto and gets rid of the gasoline. It is truly a win-win-win!
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:25:10
Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:25:10
So I got McCain, Kennedy, Lincoln, Bubba, Obama, & Hoover right off the bat. Taft & Dutch were d'ohs after I peaked.
I mention this one yesterday when you brought this top up yesterday Tri. G.H.W. Bush's resume is pretty impressive. Congressman, DCICA, Ambassador to China, Chairman of the RNC & VP.
See if you can guess this one:
Educated at a small state teacher college
Worked as teacher with minority students
Legislative aide US Congress
Head of the Nation Youth Administration for his state
Served six terms in the House of Representatives
Served in the US Navy
Two term US Senator
Vice President of the United States
I mention this one yesterday when you brought this top up yesterday Tri. G.H.W. Bush's resume is pretty impressive. Congressman, DCICA, Ambassador to China, Chairman of the RNC & VP.
See if you can guess this one:
Educated at a small state teacher college
Worked as teacher with minority students
Legislative aide US Congress
Head of the Nation Youth Administration for his state
Served six terms in the House of Representatives
Served in the US Navy
Two term US Senator
Vice President of the United States
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 17:25:10
capt on 08/02/2008 17:25:10
Child-Raping, Wife-Murdering Preacher Allowed to Finish Sermon Before Being Arrested
More of that brotherly love?
More of that brotherly love?
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:29:36
Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:29:36
Oh almost forgot summpin. I agree with Tri's thesis, this "experience" thing is total crock. If we look at the greatest president in the nation's history through the bogus experience lens, Lincoln would have never been elected.
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 17:33:48
capt on 08/02/2008 17:33:48
Bush has almost eight years of experience, it doesn't make him a good president. Experience is clearly over rated. Not to mention what kind of experience counts? Should it be political, social, educational, etc.
If "experience" is what has brought us to this point in time I would make the case that no or little experience is well worth a try . . .
If "experience" is what has brought us to this point in time I would make the case that no or little experience is well worth a try . . .
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:37:13
The experience issue is a fairly recent development in judging political candidates as far as I can tell.
Just because you have lots of experience doesn't mean you character or good judgment. I mean look at Bush he is lacking in both areas.
Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:37:13
Quote by capt:
Bush has almost eight years of experience, it doesn't make him a good president. Experience is clearly over rated. Not to mention what kind of experience counts? Should it be political, social, educational, etc.
If "experience" is what has brought us to this point in time I would make the case that no or little experience is well worth a try . . .
The experience issue is a fairly recent development in judging political candidates as far as I can tell.
Just because you have lots of experience doesn't mean you character or good judgment. I mean look at Bush he is lacking in both areas.
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:38:33
Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:38:33
So, anybody guessed the candidate I mentioned?
That is Lydon Johnson.
That is Lydon Johnson.
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:38:35
Mondobubba on 08/02/2008 17:38:35
So, anybody guessed the candidate I mentioned?
That is Lydon Johnson.
That is Lydon Johnson.
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 17:38:52
capt on 08/02/2008 17:38:52
Oh yeah, LBJ?
Ha, I guessed it. you jumped the gun! (actually I meant to post it a few minutes ago)
Ha, I guessed it. you jumped the gun! (actually I meant to post it a few minutes ago)
Comment by 
livingonli on 08/02/2008 17:40:02
livingonli on 08/02/2008 17:40:02
A belated good day. Slept in this morning and now we are in a beaut of a thunderstorm.
Speaking as another person who has problems with depression, I seem to have settled in with an interesting bunch of characters.
I didn't take overtime today, but I will tomorrow.
Speaking as another person who has problems with depression, I seem to have settled in with an interesting bunch of characters.
I didn't take overtime today, but I will tomorrow.
Comment by livingonli on 08/02/2008 17:44:37
This actually could sum up the entire Bush crime family. Cheney and Rumsfeld have had experience in the executive branch going back to the Nixon/Ford years and then there's Dr. Rice's degree where she supposedly has this whole knowledge of foreing policy. Instead, we have had 8 years of people running the show who have come close to destroying the country.
Worst President Ever.
livingonli on 08/02/2008 17:44:37
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by capt:
Bush has almost eight years of experience, it doesn't make him a good president. Experience is clearly over rated. Not to mention what kind of experience counts? Should it be political, social, educational, etc.
If "experience" is what has brought us to this point in time I would make the case that no or little experience is well worth a try . . .
The experience issue is a fairly recent development in judging political candidates as far as I can tell.
Just because you have lots of experience doesn't mean you character or good judgment. I mean look at Bush he is lacking in both areas.
This actually could sum up the entire Bush crime family. Cheney and Rumsfeld have had experience in the executive branch going back to the Nixon/Ford years and then there's Dr. Rice's degree where she supposedly has this whole knowledge of foreing policy. Instead, we have had 8 years of people running the show who have come close to destroying the country.
Worst President Ever.
Comment by m-hadley on 08/02/2008 17:48:13
Heya Mondo, Liam & Capt,
I recently started taking effexor (it is supposed to help with my double-whammy severe depression and peri-menopause - what a fun combo - ugh
). Before the effexor I took celexa, lexapro, prozac, wellbutrin, and lithium and haldol (back when they thought I was certifiably nuts :P). What about you? I, like Capt, find relief in an occasional toke or two - it takes the edge off like nothing else I've tried. I'm hangin' in there - it helps me to think that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary situation - cliche as it may sound, it helps me to keep things in perspective - since I don't have the luxury of sitting on the edge of the Grand Canyon everyday - I love how ginormous feats of nature can put us in our places and make us feel really small in a good way - just mho...
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :dance:
m-hadley on 08/02/2008 17:48:13
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by liam1965:
Sorry to hear about your depression, mfaye. I have it as well, and it's been so bad lately my kids (around whom I usually plaster on the fake grin and play happy happy) have apparently noticed (or so says my wife).
I just can't seem to shake this one. I have dysthymia with cyclical major depression, but I seem to be stuck in high gear on the dysthymia or in a moderate major depressive episode... for most of the last few months at least. :(
Faye & Liam I feel your pain so to speak. I also suffer from depression. As do my brother, my father, my two late uncles (one killed himself) and one of my cousins on my father's side of the family. Ya see a pattern here? Some say there is no genetic component in depression. Riiiiiiiiiiigt.
So if I can ask, whaddya all take?
Heya Mondo, Liam & Capt,
I recently started taking effexor (it is supposed to help with my double-whammy severe depression and peri-menopause - what a fun combo - ugh
). Before the effexor I took celexa, lexapro, prozac, wellbutrin, and lithium and haldol (back when they thought I was certifiably nuts :P). What about you? I, like Capt, find relief in an occasional toke or two - it takes the edge off like nothing else I've tried. I'm hangin' in there - it helps me to think that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary situation - cliche as it may sound, it helps me to keep things in perspective - since I don't have the luxury of sitting on the edge of the Grand Canyon everyday - I love how ginormous feats of nature can put us in our places and make us feel really small in a good way - just mho...Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :dance:
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 18:00:10
Same list except never tried prozac and no haldol but I was on resperidol and when I was on litium I had to go to 3,000 mg (3 grams) to get to a therapudic level - then my body went into heavy duty tremblors - lucky that stopped.
Lucky for me I was in patient for a few stays and they found out I had sleep apnea - pretty severe. I woke up to a doctor slapping the bottom of my foot to wake me. My ox2 was dropping to under 70% - yikes!
I wanted to get ECT but because I have had depression since early childhood ECT just doesn't work for my kind of depression.
I accepted I will be like this - forever. Upon sincere and true acceptence I was able to feel some relief - took almost 40 years to get there but today I am in a better place than most of the previous life so.
Actually I have grown fond of my black-dog-days - believe it or not it is a gift. So many people never get to experience the extremes in life. I have danced on the far edges of sanity - you can see more from there than in the middle.
I spent many years doing hard liquor and many drugs - the Shrinks seem to think the drug use (non-weed) was ongoing suicide attempts as I did WAY too much of any and everything.
capt on 08/02/2008 18:00:10
Before the effexor I took celexa, lexapro, prozac, wellbutrin, and lithium and haldol (back when they thought I was certifiably nuts ). What about you?
Same list except never tried prozac and no haldol but I was on resperidol and when I was on litium I had to go to 3,000 mg (3 grams) to get to a therapudic level - then my body went into heavy duty tremblors - lucky that stopped.
Lucky for me I was in patient for a few stays and they found out I had sleep apnea - pretty severe. I woke up to a doctor slapping the bottom of my foot to wake me. My ox2 was dropping to under 70% - yikes!
I wanted to get ECT but because I have had depression since early childhood ECT just doesn't work for my kind of depression.
I accepted I will be like this - forever. Upon sincere and true acceptence I was able to feel some relief - took almost 40 years to get there but today I am in a better place than most of the previous life so.
Actually I have grown fond of my black-dog-days - believe it or not it is a gift. So many people never get to experience the extremes in life. I have danced on the far edges of sanity - you can see more from there than in the middle.
I spent many years doing hard liquor and many drugs - the Shrinks seem to think the drug use (non-weed) was ongoing suicide attempts as I did WAY too much of any and everything.
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 18:06:23
capt on 08/02/2008 18:06:23
Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional.
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Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 18:24:39
HERE (BBC)
Now some of the "less informed" and "less educated" voters might not get it but calling McCain cynical is a more cutting remark. It is the cynicism of the old guard. Such a description is exactly inline with the need for change and the message from the start. Time for a change.
I really like Barack when he talks all adult like!
capt on 08/02/2008 18:24:39
Talking to reporters on Saturday, Mr Obama said: "In no way do I think that John McCain's campaign was being racist. I think they're cynical."
He said no-one had thought his comments were accusations of racism until Mr McCain's team "started pushing it".
"They're very good at negative campaigning," he added.
He said Mr McCain was seeking to cast him as a risky choice because he did not fit the traditional profile of a presidential candidate.
HERE (BBC)
Now some of the "less informed" and "less educated" voters might not get it but calling McCain cynical is a more cutting remark. It is the cynicism of the old guard. Such a description is exactly inline with the need for change and the message from the start. Time for a change.
I really like Barack when he talks all adult like!
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 08/02/2008 18:27:16
IzzyBitz on 08/02/2008 18:27:16
Hey Raine!
Hey Star!
Hey druggies!
Hey Star!
Hey druggies!
Comment by livingonli on 08/02/2008 18:29:53
livingonli on 08/02/2008 18:29:53
Good morning/afternoon Izzy. How's the SoCal weather? Here we got the thunderstorms which have knocked the temps down to the low 70's but it's still muggy.
Comment by MMB on 08/02/2008 18:33:26
MMB on 08/02/2008 18:33:26
Capt, I tried to send you a Private message but wanted to say I understand I have PTSD Bi-Polar and severe panic attacks I am as of 2 weeks ago on Cymbalta, Zyprexa and Xanax when i need it. We will see if it works!! All of you are in my thoughts. Take care
Comment by capt on 08/02/2008 18:36:55
capt on 08/02/2008 18:36:55
The one lesson I have had to learn over and over again is:
Depression is an condition. It is not something you (or anybody) can "control" - it is not self-inflicted - so it is not your fault. Depression is not a flaw of character or personality. It is kinda like feeling tired - you went to bed and tried to sleep - got up and yet you are dog tired. Not something you have done wrong or incorrectly it happens.
Just like one of those dog tired days a nap might not work - it could even make you more tired.
All you can do is power through as best you can and be very EXTRA loving and accepting to yourself.
Most people I have known (and been in group with) have a tendency to convict themselves for being depressed. They think it kinda appropriate to punish themselves for a condition they never wanted and would never wish on anybody.
First is acceptance - by talking about it I know most all of you are already there on acceptance. The next thing is being extra loving to yourself. That will manifest as something different person by person but you have to do it and it has to be with intention. You have be loving to yourself on purpose.
Self love is hard. Many think it is egotism or narcissism but it is not.
Learn to be kind to yourself and forgiving of the dark feelings and moods. It will never make them go away but living with them becomes easier. Part of the worst feelings is feeling badly about feeling bad - you know?
(I know you know)
Depression is an condition. It is not something you (or anybody) can "control" - it is not self-inflicted - so it is not your fault. Depression is not a flaw of character or personality. It is kinda like feeling tired - you went to bed and tried to sleep - got up and yet you are dog tired. Not something you have done wrong or incorrectly it happens.
Just like one of those dog tired days a nap might not work - it could even make you more tired.
All you can do is power through as best you can and be very EXTRA loving and accepting to yourself.
Most people I have known (and been in group with) have a tendency to convict themselves for being depressed. They think it kinda appropriate to punish themselves for a condition they never wanted and would never wish on anybody.
First is acceptance - by talking about it I know most all of you are already there on acceptance. The next thing is being extra loving to yourself. That will manifest as something different person by person but you have to do it and it has to be with intention. You have be loving to yourself on purpose.
Self love is hard. Many think it is egotism or narcissism but it is not.
Learn to be kind to yourself and forgiving of the dark feelings and moods. It will never make them go away but living with them becomes easier. Part of the worst feelings is feeling badly about feeling bad - you know?
(I know you know)
Comment by IzzyBitz on 08/02/2008 18:37:50
Hey Livin! I don't want to jinx it, but weather in my hood has been wonderful. It has been like Autumn, lovely breeze and comfortable temps, but August is here, so those nasty valley temps might creep in any day now.
IzzyBitz on 08/02/2008 18:37:50
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning/afternoon Izzy. How's the SoCal weather? Here we got the thunderstorms which have knocked the temps down to the low 70's but it's still muggy.
Hey Livin! I don't want to jinx it, but weather in my hood has been wonderful. It has been like Autumn, lovely breeze and comfortable temps, but August is here, so those nasty valley temps might creep in any day now.