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Author: Random    Date: 08/18/2008 09:19:06

Now, I’ve spent the last few weeks…days…hours…trying to figure out how best to use all the data I’ve been collecting and use it to practical purposes. It finally occurred to me, I am going to dispel some myths about the current campaign and how well someone may have done, and how poorly another one would do.

First, I’ll discuss what is talked about, ad nauseum, by the media. And that is, Obama and McCain are in a close race. Of course, how can you blame them, in a culture that loves the 5 second sound bite, who has time to listen to in-depth analysis of state-by-state polls? Hell, some states haven’t had a proper poll since February. So, if we were to look at what National polls say…


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/RandomObs/Misc/Obama-McCainTotal.jpg




…Pretty clustered…uh…Can we have a closer look?


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/RandomObs/Misc/Obama-McCainAugust.jpg



Better…

So, we can see that Obama and McCain are pretty close. I mean…what, a few points apart at some parts. Even looks like McCain pulls ahead of Obama at that one part, around, August 3rd there. So, that means it’s a close race, right? Well, Wrong.

Another piece of Graphical Evidence…


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/RandomObs/Misc/ElectoralVotes.jpg



Now, who here knows what Electoral Colleges are? Well, quick run down, just incase. States get X amount of votes (Florida – 27). And who ever gets the most votes out of that state gets Florida, and hence 27 its votes. So it’s not how many votes you win, but really, how many states, or more importantly, what states, you win.

So, let us look at that graph again. Obama has 322 votes, McCain 216. Now, I’m not exactly sure, but 322/216 is not proportional to 46/45. But I could be wrong. So let's check. (538 is the total possible votes, roughly 270 to win). Now, 322 is 59.85% of 538. And, 216 is 40.15%. Instead of a point difference between Obama and McCain, we see a MASSIVE 20 point difference. You tell me, is this a close race?

Just a quickie here, it includes Barr and Nader. Multi-Party
Though that I do find is suspicious that in the Fox multi-Party poll, Barr got zero percent. But then again look at Obama’s numbers: 46, 49, 48, 40, 49, and 51. Guess which number came from Fox.


Now, recently, we’ve all had to suffer through the media’s fascination with Edwards and his wayward…thing…I’ve already made my opinion of this known, so I won’t go into that. Instead, I’m going into the claim by our favorite bad sweater wearing Hillary shill Wolfson said earlier this week. If this had happened before Iowa, Hillary would have one, and Hillary would be our nominee. So, one of many weird arguments that we should through Obama aside and Hillary should be the democratic Nominee, not the weirdest, but…certainly in the top…2.

We see a strange occurrence in the states following the Super Tuesday. An average of polls has Clinton near, or a bit over what she received in the primary. While Obama is almost always significantly lower in those polls than in his primary win. So, we can make a bit of an assumption, that Obama really got a boost from Edwards leaving the race.

So, what does that mean for Iowa? Well, let’s take what we know about the effect Edwards had in his leaving, and apply to Iowa...and for the hell of it, Lets check out later states as well.

Obama's points
Iowa: Old - 38 New - 68
New Hampshire: Old - 36 New - 53
Nevada: Old - 45 New - 49
South Carolina: Old - 55 New - 73

So...now let’s compare. (Same order)
Obama/Clinton
68/29
39/53
49/51
73/27

So, she’d have lost New Hampshire, but win Nevada in a squeaker. Who wants to bet this thing would still have gone into June.

As we wind down. I’d like to address an oldie, but a goodie, since we’re on weird reasons why Hillary should be nominee instead of Obama. Who remembers the talking point, Hillary is winning the big states, or she’s got more electoral votes, or whatever BS turn of phrase that basically meant, McCain will win all the States Hillary did. So, let’s have a look, what states did Hillary win?

Hillary won: Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia.

So, lets look at the States Obama is currently winning. Those that are bold are the same states Hillary won.

Obama: Alaska, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, DC, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin

Alright, so, Hillary won Twenty-Two states in the primary. And Obama is currently ahead in Twenty-Eight states. Incase you’re wondering, Thirteen of those states are states Hillary won. So…what we all knew, that primary win does not mean a win in the General.


Now, to wind down with a few personal notes…

1.) Yes, I may have been a bit unfair to Hillary, and well, the stupid things she was said, or what Wolfson, McAuliffe, or Penn has said. But I refuse to apologize. In fact, this entire post has just been an excuse for me to vent about the primary, thank you for sitting through it.

2.) Well, there is a hurricane coming through here in a few days, but it looks like it will miss random here by just a little...

3.) Over the weekend, I purchased “The Political Machine 2008”. I’ve found it to be a wonderful fun little game, where you pick your favorite candidate, from Obama, to Paul. (Well, not Barr, apparently, it’s only Reps versus Dems). Travel across the country giving speeches, placing ads, going on Larry King, Stephen Colbert, or Bill O’Reilly. Random has enjoyed this game, a lot. And if anyone has it, I’ll challenge you to online play. Yes...I am trying to sell a game. I'm shameless.

4.) Finally, I have updated the Blog Pool over the weekend, where you can find all these lovely graphs, along with others, like states polls, and the like. National polls will be available. So please stop by every week to see how Obama and McCain are doing.

This is why you have never, nor will you ever again, let me post a blog. So, thank you all for your time, and sitting through my rambling.
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 12:08:45
Morning :hug:





Nice way to break all that info down Random

Comment by BobR on 08/18/2008 12:20:21
Excellent post, proving once again that the facts have a liberal bias... :P

Comment by TriSec on 08/18/2008 12:41:04
Morning, comrades!



I believe it was also in this space that someone posted a link to a baseball writer turned pundit...



He was making the comparison to the World Series; it's not who scores the most runs over the course of the series, it's how many individual games you win.



There have been many teams that won titles without scoring the most overall, I'd have to go digging, but I want to say the 1981 Celtics were outscored by the Houston Rockets but still won the series 4-2.



So I wonder why the media isn't obsessing over the delegate count....as we all know, the popular vote is meaningless.









Comment by Random on 08/18/2008 12:44:16
Quote by TriSec:

Morning, comrades!



I believe it was also in this space that someone posted a link to a baseball writer turned pundit...



He was making the comparison to the World Series; it's not who scores the most runs over the course of the series, it's how many individual games you win.



There have been many teams that won titles without scoring the most overall, I'd have to go digging, but I want to say the 1981 Celtics were outscored by the Houston Rockets but still won the series 4-2.



So I wonder why the media isn't obsessing over the delegate count....as we all know, the popular vote is meaningless.











Well, it's easier to talk about National polls rather than states, or electoral votes. That, and it's a better story for a close race than Obama pulling far out ahead.



Comment by BobR on 08/18/2008 12:52:52
Quote by Random:





Well, it's easier to talk about National polls rather than states, or electoral votes. That, and it's a better story for a close race than Obama pulling far out ahead.



I'll agree with that. When it's a blowout game, people turn the channel. Same with the presidential race. What's the point of watching political news and commentary if the result seems inevitable?

Comment by TriSec on 08/18/2008 12:54:09
Say, do we need Av-Dork duty today, or was Ms. Raine 'in transit' tomorrow?





Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 12:54:37
Quote by TriSec:

Morning, comrades!



I believe it was also in this space that someone posted a link to a baseball writer turned pundit...



He was making the comparison to the World Series; it's not who scores the most runs over the course of the series, it's how many individual games you win.



There have been many teams that won titles without scoring the most overall, I'd have to go digging, but I want to say the 1981 Celtics were outscored by the Houston Rockets but still won the series 4-2.



So I wonder why the media isn't obsessing over the delegate count....as we all know, the popular vote is meaningless.













Because people like to feel their vote does mean something :shrug:



Comment by TriSec on 08/18/2008 12:59:13
Oh, I noticed the last couple of nights that the Obama campaign has started running more "warm and fuzzy" ads during the Olympics....where the McCain ads have all been of the attack variety.



There's a new one out about renewable energy and modern technologies 'n stuff. Seems pretty upbeat.





Comment by m-hadley on 08/18/2008 13:02:13
Good job Random!

I love graphs :P

Happee Mondee everybodee :D

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 13:12:17
very nice Shane-O :D

Comment by BobR on 08/18/2008 13:15:12
Quote by TriSec:

Say, do we need Av-Dork duty today, or was Ms. Raine 'in transit' tomorrow?





You're on duty, sir!



AirTran flight 601, Departing Newberg NY @ 2:07 PM...

Comment by BobR on 08/18/2008 13:16:39
Quote by wickedpam:

very nice Shane-O :D


Dialed into work this morning; the iTunes doesn't work (neither does WMP). I don't want to start up Raine's Mac-sheen just to listen...



:kickcan:

Comment by TriSec on 08/18/2008 13:26:13
Newburgh??



Say, I've been to that city. It's on the way to West Point (from Saugus, anyway.)



Troop 61 has a fine tradition of getting lost in the Hudson Valley every time we make this trip.





Comment by Raine on 08/18/2008 13:28:25
:yawn: Hello All! Still in New York. The flight leaves this afternoon. I am so ready to come home!!!!

Comment by TriSec on 08/18/2008 13:31:08
And apparently the only picture of an AirTran jet at Newburgh on the entire internet:



http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/6/9/3/1274396.jpg






Comment by Raine on 08/18/2008 13:34:37
Random, your blog was excellent today!!!



And, sorry, there is a good chance that you will be asked to blog this stuff again. It is fricken awesome what you did! :hug:

Comment by velveeta jones on 08/18/2008 13:35:41
Morning all!



I am very angry about the (continued) lying the neo-cons are doing!



Re: The Saddleback church interviews. It appears now, that McCain was NOT in a "cone of silence" as they joked, rather, listening in his limo to the live interview.







As well, as I reported last night, his moving tale of himself as a POW prisoner and the guard drawing a cross in the sand- was plagiarized from Solzhenitsyn when he spent time in the Soviet Gulags!!

Comment by TriSec on 08/18/2008 13:43:26
Quote by velveeta jones:



As well, as I reported last night, his moving tale of himself as a POW prisoner and the guard drawing a cross in the sand- was plagiarized from Solzhenitsyn when he spent time in the Soviet Gulags!!






Vietnamese, Soviets, they're all the same. See, it's a shared experience; you're expecting everyone to pay attention to the details?





Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 13:56:01
Steph's dating life is so D-list

Comment by velveeta jones on 08/18/2008 13:57:43
"Raine is comin' home, Raine is comin' home, la la la la"

Comment by livingonli on 08/18/2008 14:07:07
Good morning everyone.



With my sleeping habits (and working late) I keep missing the first hour lately.

Comment by BobR on 08/18/2008 14:10:13
Quote by velveeta jones:

Morning all!



I am very angry about the (continued) lying the neo-cons are doing!



Re: The Saddleback church interviews. It appears now, that McCain was NOT in a "cone of silence" as they joked, rather, listening in his limo to the live interview.







As well, as I reported last night, his moving tale of himself as a POW prisoner and the guard drawing a cross in the sand- was plagiarized from Solzhenitsyn when he spent time in the Soviet Gulags!!


And of course when called on it, he'll shrug it off saying that the details aren't important - it's the bigger picture of what he was trying to say...

Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 14:10:34
Very cute DJ :D

Comment by livingonli on 08/18/2008 14:13:55
What would happen if you tied John McCain to a lie detector machine?

Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 14:15:32
Jim!

Comment by starling310 on 08/18/2008 14:15:46
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD mornin' to the Bloooooooog!







Random™ your post rAWked!



It is fun how facts have a liberal bias.



Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 14:16:22
I must cleanse my eyes!

Comment by Raine on 08/18/2008 14:17:49
So, I am assuming that you have heard that Mushareff has resigned!

Comment by livingonli on 08/18/2008 14:18:58
Good morning and Raine.



CNN International was talking about Musharraf's resignation.

Comment by starling310 on 08/18/2008 14:21:59
Quote by Raine:

So, I am assuming that you have heard that Mushareff has resigned!




Woke up to that news.



Let's see if he actually goes.

Comment by TriSec on 08/18/2008 14:23:17
Quote by livingonli:

What would happen if you tied John McCain to a lie detector machine?






http://www.dri.du.edu/data/bexplos.gif


Comment by TriSec on 08/18/2008 14:24:20
When do we invade Pakistan?



Since Musharraf has resigned (allegedly) I guess that means they're against us now?





Comment by starling310 on 08/18/2008 14:28:22
:: momma :: "No that's true, but I'm just sayin..." Barack Obama can do no wrong.







Come on Momma.



Comment by velveeta jones on 08/18/2008 14:34:15
Has anyone seen the movie "I.O.U.S.A One nation under debt"?

Comment by TriSec on 08/18/2008 14:38:49
Great, another stammering, incoherent yahoo in the White House.



Just what we need more of at this juncture...





Comment by starling310 on 08/18/2008 14:39:07
Quote by velveeta jones:

Has anyone seen the movie "I.O.U.S.A One nation under debt"?




Have not but it sounds like it would make me want to stick sharp objects in my eyes!



Comment by starling310 on 08/18/2008 14:40:33
The moment of conception? Wow. Do people really know the MOMENT their child is conceived?

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/18/2008 14:41:39
All hail Random! Well done! Insightful and entertaining. :bow:



Of course I do reserve the right to lash out at any time and deflate the swelling that is your head! :rofl:

Comment by starling310 on 08/18/2008 14:42:07
The fact is, they are never going to overturn Roe v. Wade because then they will have 1 less wedge issue to play with the rednecks southern states.



Comment by livingonli on 08/18/2008 14:46:43
Quote by TriSec:

Great, another stammering, incoherent yahoo in the White House.



Just what we need more of at this juncture...





We've already had two of them. A third one may make me consider moving to Canada or Costa Rica.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/18/2008 14:49:33
Quote by starling310:

The moment of conception? Wow. Do people really know the MOMENT their child is conceived?




As Richard Dawkins has pointed out in more than one book, the vast majority of fertilized eggs fail to implant in the uterus or they spontaneously aborted. Puts a slightly different spin on the whole right to life thingy.

Comment by livingonli on 08/18/2008 14:50:12
Did this caller flunk geography in school?

Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 14:50:41
you do not have to prove how religious you are to qualify to be Pres.





and Arizona - NOT the south. I have lived in the south, I know the south and Arizona is not in the south.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/18/2008 14:51:24
Mark, shut the hell up!

Comment by Raine on 08/18/2008 14:54:06
Quote by BobR:

Quote by velveeta jones:

Morning all!



I am very angry about the (continued) lying the neo-cons are doing!



Re: The Saddleback church interviews. It appears now, that McCain was NOT in a "cone of silence" as they joked, rather, listening in his limo to the live interview.







As well, as I reported last night, his moving tale of himself as a POW prisoner and the guard drawing a cross in the sand- was plagiarized from Solzhenitsyn when he spent time in the Soviet Gulags!!


And of course when called on it, he'll shrug it off saying that the details aren't important - it's the bigger picture of what he was trying to say...
I saw parts of the mcCAin stuff... he was answering questions that were not yet asked.







Comment by Raine on 08/18/2008 14:55:04
:cry: I am so tired. I miss Momma and the mooks, and I wanna come home NOW. ::: stomps Feet :::





Comment by livingonli on 08/18/2008 14:56:10
Quote by Raine:

:cry: I am so tired. I miss Momma and the mooks, and I wanna come home NOW. ::: stomps Feet :::





Can't you listen on the internets where you are?

Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 14:56:19


Comment by Mondobubba on 08/18/2008 14:56:39
Chris there is no way in hell a Muslim would ever get nominated. Constitution or not.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/18/2008 14:58:26
Not now but maybe someday.