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McCain's Troubling Ties
Author: BobR
Date: 09/24/2008 12:07:44
The current economic meltdown is dominating the news as investment bigwigs fear for their golden parachutes, and common people fear for their retirement funds. Little spoken is the very real possibility that the dollar could become a worthless piece of paper outside the U.S. Considering how much we import (oil, products from China, etc.), that is a very real problem that requires a careful solution. Considering that this is occurring during the home stretch to the presidential elections, makes it a political football as well.
The McCain campaign has numerous problems. All along they've been slamming Obama as inexperienced. By default, that means Obama's fingerprints cannot be on this situation. McCain, on the other hand, seems to be hip-deep in muck and sinking fast. Consider:
So on top of Phil Gramm - the person who deregulated the industries which led to the root cause of this problem - being McCain's economic advisor, his staff is also closely tied to businesses being investigated by the FBI. The Rick Davis relationship is probably the most damaging, as explained in this NY Times article:
So despite McCain touting himself as a "maverick" when it comes to going against his own party, he is a Republican through and through when it comes to mutual palm greasing with moneyed business interests. In fact, he's even supported off-shore tax havens for the rich:
So McCain is fine with U.S. companies not paying their taxes, and he has lobbyists for failed financial institutions currently under investigations by the FBI on his payroll. What else?
Remember AIG? The failed insurance giant that was a major contributer to his Reform Institute? (and - thanks to Bermuda tax shelters - probably didn't pay the taxes that will now be used to bail them out) McCain quickly changed his tune about whether they should be bailed out. I wonder how quickly THAT phone call came in?... On top of that, McCain is criticizing the bailouts, despite saying the financial system is facing a major crisis, when only last week he said it was sound.
How bad is it for McCain? Even George Will has hung him out to dry.
That IS change we can believe in. :)
Bonus Click: Here's a graphic that shows the comparitive sizes of various government bailouts...
The McCain campaign has numerous problems. All along they've been slamming Obama as inexperienced. By default, that means Obama's fingerprints cannot be on this situation. McCain, on the other hand, seems to be hip-deep in muck and sinking fast. Consider:
- Rick Davis is McCain's campaign manager. He was also a director of McCain's Reform Institute (Link)
- AIG was one of The Reform Institute's biggest donors: (Link)
- Rick Davis was also a lobbyist for Fannie Mae, and his firm has been receiving money from Fannie Mae right up until the government takeover last month: (Link)
- William Timmon's Sr. is the head of McCain's Transition Team, and was also a lobbyist for Freddie Mac: (Link)
- Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac and AIG are all currently being investigated by the FBI: (Link)
So on top of Phil Gramm - the person who deregulated the industries which led to the root cause of this problem - being McCain's economic advisor, his staff is also closely tied to businesses being investigated by the FBI. The Rick Davis relationship is probably the most damaging, as explained in this NY Times article:
Incensed by the advertisements, several current and former executives of the companies came forward to discuss the role that Rick Davis, Mr. McCain’s campaign manager and longtime adviser, played in helping Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac beat back regulatory challenges when he served as president of their advocacy group, the Homeownership Alliance, formed in the summer of 2000. Some who came forward were Democrats, but Republicans, speaking on the condition of anonymity, confirmed their descriptions.
“The value that he brought to the relationship was the closeness to Senator McCain and the possibility that Senator McCain was going to run for president again,” said Robert McCarson, a former spokesman for Fannie Mae, who said that while he worked there from 2000 to 2002, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac together paid Mr. Davis’s firm $35,000 a month. Mr. Davis “didn’t really do anything,” Mr. McCarson, a Democrat, said.
So despite McCain touting himself as a "maverick" when it comes to going against his own party, he is a Republican through and through when it comes to mutual palm greasing with moneyed business interests. In fact, he's even supported off-shore tax havens for the rich:
Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Republican John McCain protected offshore tax shelters worth billions of dollars to U.S. insurance giants.
In his second trip in four days to this battleground state Tuesday, Biden said McCain promised to oppose any efforts to close a "Bermuda loophole" where American companies shielded $4 billion to $7 billion from U.S. taxes.
By claiming their headquarters as Bermuda, Biden said, firms actually based in the United States can keep profits out of the reach of the Internal Revenue Service.
"They're skipping out on billions of dollars in taxes, and that money could be used to insure our children, ... to make sure the (Veterans Administration) is not underfunded, to rebuild bridges that are crumbling around the nation," Biden said.
Biden was referring to a provision of tax law that some insurance companies can use to wipe out much of their U.S. tax liability. The companies that issue fire, property and casualty insurance are allowed to establish a Bermuda office and transfer the premiums they collect there, treating them as business expenses. That creates a deduction that erases millions of dollars in taxable profits, costing the U.S. Treasury $4 billion or more a year.
McCain spent three days in Bermuda in August 2007 meeting business and political leaders, and while there was quoted by the island's main newspaper, the Royal Gazette, as promising to defend tax breaks for insurance companies that locate there.
"The industry, the reinsurance that's had such phenomenal success has been good for both nations," McCain was quoted as saying in an Aug. 23, 2007 article. "I would oppose any measures that would upset that."
So McCain is fine with U.S. companies not paying their taxes, and he has lobbyists for failed financial institutions currently under investigations by the FBI on his payroll. What else?
Remember AIG? The failed insurance giant that was a major contributer to his Reform Institute? (and - thanks to Bermuda tax shelters - probably didn't pay the taxes that will now be used to bail them out) McCain quickly changed his tune about whether they should be bailed out. I wonder how quickly THAT phone call came in?... On top of that, McCain is criticizing the bailouts, despite saying the financial system is facing a major crisis, when only last week he said it was sound.
How bad is it for McCain? Even George Will has hung him out to dry.
That IS change we can believe in. :)
Bonus Click: Here's a graphic that shows the comparitive sizes of various government bailouts...
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 12:17:51
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 12:17:51
first! Morning :hug:
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/24/2008 12:36:15
TriSec on 09/24/2008 12:36:15
Wooohoooo! Open blog!
Comment by 
BobR on 09/24/2008 12:52:27
BobR on 09/24/2008 12:52:27
ok, so I updated the blog with some real substance...
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 13:02:24
TriSec on 09/24/2008 13:02:24
Ah, regarding the bonus click.
I saw that in the Globe Sunday...in addition to the size, note the timeline and which years didn't require any government bailouts...
I saw that in the Globe Sunday...in addition to the size, note the timeline and which years didn't require any government bailouts...
Comment by 
Raine on 09/24/2008 13:10:06
Raine on 09/24/2008 13:10:06
Good morning.
Nice way to tie the mess that McCain is, bobber.
Clear concise, with a good dose of infuriation as well.
Nice way to tie the mess that McCain is, bobber.
Clear concise, with a good dose of infuriation as well.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 09/24/2008 13:11:59
m-hadley on 09/24/2008 13:11:59
Mornin' Everybody,
I worked on a rather ragged blog post last night (it was one post that morphed into another) and would appreciate any comments or feedback. Check it out. Excellent post BobR :D
Happee Hump Day. :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
I worked on a rather ragged blog post last night (it was one post that morphed into another) and would appreciate any comments or feedback. Check it out. Excellent post BobR :D
Happee Hump Day. :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 13:13:19
Raine on 09/24/2008 13:13:19
Shane-O !!! 
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 13:14:53
TriSec on 09/24/2008 13:14:53
Momma is messing with the show??
My friends, that's not change we can believe in!
:modbat:
My friends, that's not change we can believe in!
:modbat:
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 13:15:41
Raine on 09/24/2008 13:15:41
HEy! I mentioned that Blog Active Story over teh weekend!
I want to know if Sarah Palin willl pray his gay away!
I want to know if Sarah Palin willl pray his gay away!
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 13:20:02
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 13:20:02
Morning all! 
Busy busy busy.. finally I have some sales to process for the month!
Busy busy busy.. finally I have some sales to process for the month!
Comment by 
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 13:25:49
Notice also that coming back into the show after the movable breaks (22-24 after and 42-47 after) they've cut the "Splat Stephanie Miller" bumps -- getting into the show quicker.
Progress - I like it.
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 13:25:49
Quote by TriSec:
Momma is messing with the show??
My friends, that's not change we can believe in!
:modbat:
Progress - I like it.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/24/2008 13:35:24
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 13:35:24
Comment by BobR on 09/24/2008 13:42:35
BobR on 09/24/2008 13:42:35
This is a disturbing development: Army Unit to deploy inside U.S.
Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent thirty-five of the last sixty months in Iraq, but now the unit is training for domestic operations. The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 13:50:59
Raine on 09/24/2008 13:50:59
Oh caller... you so do not get it.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 13:53:08
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 13:53:08
sheltered much?
Comment by m-hadley on 09/24/2008 14:00:24
BobR,
Randi Rhodes was all over this yesterday - I hate to say it but it is sounding more and more like the Voice Deity's predictions are coming to pass :nervous:
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 09/24/2008 14:00:24
Quote by BobR:
This is a disturbing development: Army Unit to deploy inside U.S.Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent thirty-five of the last sixty months in Iraq, but now the unit is training for domestic operations. The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.
BobR,
Randi Rhodes was all over this yesterday - I hate to say it but it is sounding more and more like the Voice Deity's predictions are coming to pass :nervous:
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Scoopster on 09/24/2008 14:05:05
Uhh.. what the fuck. And to think there's a protest march tomorrow in New York City.
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 14:05:05
Quote by BobR:
This is a disturbing development: Army Unit to deploy inside U.S.Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent thirty-five of the last sixty months in Iraq, but now the unit is training for domestic operations. The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.
Uhh.. what the fuck. And to think there's a protest march tomorrow in New York City.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 14:08:11
Raine on 09/24/2008 14:08:11
*sigh*
I feel overwhelmed today. And that story that Bobber posted, scared the pee out of me.
I feel overwhelmed today. And that story that Bobber posted, scared the pee out of me.
Comment by 
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:09:01
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:09:01
Good morning all.
Oooh...Naomi Klein!
I really need to get my home computer FIXED!!!
I can't download the Bill Maher podcast until it's fixed. :grumble:
Oooh...Naomi Klein!
I really need to get my home computer FIXED!!!
I can't download the Bill Maher podcast until it's fixed. :grumble:
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:09:49
Jim IS the brains of the operation.
Hence the Deity label.
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:09:49
Quote by m-hadley:
BobR,
Randi Rhodes was all over this yesterday - I hate to say it but it is sounding more and more like the Voice Deity's predictions are coming to pass :nervous:
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Jim IS the brains of the operation.
Hence the Deity label.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 14:12:13
I thought you got it fixed?
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 14:12:13
Quote by starling310:
Good morning all.
Oooh...Naomi Klein!
I really need to get my home computer FIXED!!!
I thought you got it fixed?
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:16:32
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:16:32
Jim is so right on.
Right on, man. :bong:
Right on, man. :bong:
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:18:17
mala, mala, mala....it has been a long ordeal.
it's definitely not fixed. we are on the 3rd hard drive ( the first 2 were wrong, wrong, wrong ) and now my friend/techie is in Bermuda. damn him for going on vacation.
i have figured out how to get to facecrack and my email on my work computer though.
alas, no itunes or updating my 'pod. :(
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:18:17
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Good morning all.
Oooh...Naomi Klein!
I really need to get my home computer FIXED!!!
I thought you got it fixed?
mala, mala, mala....it has been a long ordeal.
it's definitely not fixed. we are on the 3rd hard drive ( the first 2 were wrong, wrong, wrong ) and now my friend/techie is in Bermuda. damn him for going on vacation.
i have figured out how to get to facecrack and my email on my work computer though.
alas, no itunes or updating my 'pod. :(
Comment by Shane-O on 09/24/2008 14:25:57
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 14:25:57
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Good morning all.
Oooh...Naomi Klein!
I really need to get my home computer FIXED!!!
Can you view YouTube? Because I can put Maher up there...
I thought you got it fixed?
mala, mala, mala....it has been a long ordeal.
it's definitely not fixed. we are on the 3rd hard drive ( the first 2 were wrong, wrong, wrong ) and now my friend/techie is in Bermuda. damn him for going on vacation.
i have figured out how to get to facecrack and my email on my work computer though.
alas, no itunes or updating my 'pod. :(
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:27:43
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:27:43
CLAY AIKEN IS GAY!?!?!? 
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 14:28:46
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 14:28:46
:star: :hug:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 14:29:11
I'm Shocked! Shocked I tell you!
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 14:29:11
Quote by starling310:
CLAY AIKEN IS GAY!?!?!?
I'm Shocked! Shocked I tell you!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/24/2008 14:30:01
oh. my. what. a. revelation.
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 14:30:01
Quote by starling310:
CLAY AIKEN IS GAY!?!?!?
oh. my. what. a. revelation.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/24/2008 14:30:21
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 14:30:21
Ok - I'll try again - Can you view YouTube? Because I can put Maher up there...
Can you view YouTube? Because I can put Maher up there...
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:32:30
Oh! I can't view it at work, but when I am home I can. I'm able to log in off the VPN, so I can access things that are normally blocked.
Woohoo!!!
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:32:30
Quote by Shane-O:
Ok - I'll try again -
Oh! I can't view it at work, but when I am home I can. I'm able to log in off the VPN, so I can access things that are normally blocked.
Woohoo!!!
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:32:51
move along. nothing to see here.
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:32:51
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by starling310:
CLAY AIKEN IS GAY!?!?!?
oh. my. what. a. revelation.
move along. nothing to see here.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/24/2008 14:37:35
I haven't put it up yet -- but will tonight (so long as Momma isn't on the TeeVee) -- it takes a while... I'll let you know the addresses when they're done.
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 14:37:35
Quote by starling310:Quote by Shane-O:
Ok - I'll try again -
Oh! I can't view it at work, but when I am home I can. I'm able to log in off the VPN, so I can access things that are normally blocked.
Woohoo!!!
I haven't put it up yet -- but will tonight (so long as Momma isn't on the TeeVee) -- it takes a while... I'll let you know the addresses when they're done.
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:41:46
No rush Shane-O. Thanks so much! :hug:
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:41:46
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by starling310:Quote by Shane-O:
Ok - I'll try again -
Oh! I can't view it at work, but when I am home I can. I'm able to log in off the VPN, so I can access things that are normally blocked.
Woohoo!!!
I haven't put it up yet -- but will tonight (so long as Momma isn't on the TeeVee) -- it takes a while... I'll let you know the addresses when they're done.
No rush Shane-O. Thanks so much! :hug:
Comment by m-hadley on 09/24/2008 14:43:54
m-hadley on 09/24/2008 14:43:54
Naomi Klein Rocks :airhump:
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:46:15
starling310 on 09/24/2008 14:46:15
She really does Faye!!
Amazing.
She makes it "look so easy." Ya know?
Amazing.
She makes it "look so easy." Ya know?
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/24/2008 14:47:18
livingonli on 09/24/2008 14:47:18
Good morning everyone.
My computer installed two Windows XP updates so my computer rebooted both last night and just this morning.
Looking at the graph, it is not surprising that all the huge bailouts were under Chimpy's watch and there was nothing between Reagan/Poppa Bush .
And now I am really paranoid about what might be going down.
My computer installed two Windows XP updates so my computer rebooted both last night and just this morning.
Looking at the graph, it is not surprising that all the huge bailouts were under Chimpy's watch and there was nothing between Reagan/Poppa Bush .
And now I am really paranoid about what might be going down.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 14:57:11
Raine on 09/24/2008 14:57:11
:thud: How the hell is he going to get thru the debate?
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:01:43
As long as he brings both of his faces he'll be fine!
starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:01:43
Quote by Raine:
:thud: How the hell is he going to get thru the debate?
As long as he brings both of his faces he'll be fine!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:01:52
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:01:52
Oh speaking of debates - my neighbor told me that they've agreed on the terms of the VP debate and that neither candidate will talk to the other, it's going to more like an interview. Is that right? Casue that ain't a debate.
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:04:51
It sounds like they are really keeping her on a tight leash and are worried about what she might say if she went off the reservation.
livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:04:51
Quote by wickedpam:
Oh speaking of debates - my neighbor told me that they've agreed on the terms of the VP debate and that neither candidate will talk to the other, it's going to more like an interview. Is that right? Casue that ain't a debate.
It sounds like they are really keeping her on a tight leash and are worried about what she might say if she went off the reservation.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:06:20
velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:06:20
Ug. What a night! DON'T ASK!! :Grumble:
Anyway, Good morning comrades, or whatever one call's one's friends in a fascist regime (right around the corner).
Anyway, Good morning comrades, or whatever one call's one's friends in a fascist regime (right around the corner).
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:06:32
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:06:32
thought the same thing but I can't find anything to tell me if that's the correct format
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:08:50
The Dem's caved in to the terms demanded by the Reps. "Its not fair, Sarah is agirl novice.
Whatever.
velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:08:50
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
Oh speaking of debates - my neighbor told me that they've agreed on the terms of the VP debate and that neither candidate will talk to the other, it's going to more like an interview. Is that right? Casue that ain't a debate.
It sounds like they are really keeping her on a tight leash and are worried about what she might say if she went off the reservation.
The Dem's caved in to the terms demanded by the Reps. "Its not fair, Sarah is a
Whatever.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:09:21
TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:09:21
Reading up just a touch on the 3rd Infantry Division...
Their home base is Fort Stewart (Close to Savannah, GA)....are they going to be deployed from there?
Only the 1st Brigade is supposed to be "on call"...a brigade is around 2500 soldiers, give or take. (Not all combat, better than half of that number would be strictly support troops...clerks, cooks, maintenance, medical, etc.)
So, can this Brigade put down "civil unrest" in all 50 states simultaneously? If there's things happening in Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington, where would they go? How quickly could they get there? What about their armor, helicopters, artillery, and all the things necessary to support a brigade?
It's alarming to be sure....but it's not realistic. Scare tactics, pure and simple.
Their home base is Fort Stewart (Close to Savannah, GA)....are they going to be deployed from there?
Only the 1st Brigade is supposed to be "on call"...a brigade is around 2500 soldiers, give or take. (Not all combat, better than half of that number would be strictly support troops...clerks, cooks, maintenance, medical, etc.)
So, can this Brigade put down "civil unrest" in all 50 states simultaneously? If there's things happening in Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington, where would they go? How quickly could they get there? What about their armor, helicopters, artillery, and all the things necessary to support a brigade?
It's alarming to be sure....but it's not realistic. Scare tactics, pure and simple.
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:15:41
livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:15:41
Are they just moving the segments around on the Stephanie Miller newscast this morning?
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:16:58
What a load of BULL SHITE!!!
starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:16:58
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
Oh speaking of debates - my neighbor told me that they've agreed on the terms of the VP debate and that neither candidate will talk to the other, it's going to more like an interview. Is that right? Casue that ain't a debate.
It sounds like they are really keeping her on a tight leash and are worried about what she might say if she went off the reservation.
The Dem's caved in to the terms demanded by the Reps. "Its not fair, Sarah is agirlnovice.
Whatever.
What a load of BULL SHITE!!!
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:18:46
starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:18:46
I am always so glad when Sean Hannity tells us what he thinks should happen.
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:20:51
I just want to go so piratey on these people. But then that's probably why they are bringing the army in to make sure that we are kept in line like good little serfs.
livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:20:51
Quote by starling310:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
Oh speaking of debates - my neighbor told me that they've agreed on the terms of the VP debate and that neither candidate will talk to the other, it's going to more like an interview. Is that right? Casue that ain't a debate.
It sounds like they are really keeping her on a tight leash and are worried about what she might say if she went off the reservation.
The Dem's caved in to the terms demanded by the Reps. "Its not fair, Sarah is agirlnovice.
Whatever.
What a load of BULL SHITE!!!
I just want to go so piratey on these people. But then that's probably why they are bringing the army in to make sure that we are kept in line like good little serfs.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:22:47
TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:22:47
How much of my liberal credentials would I lose if I decided to exercise my Second Amendment rights (while I still can?)
A rifle won't hold off the 3rd Infantry for very long, but I want the history books to record the "Gardencrest Skirmish" the right way.
A rifle won't hold off the 3rd Infantry for very long, but I want the history books to record the "Gardencrest Skirmish" the right way.
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:26:26
When in Rome. . .
starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:26:26
Quote by TriSec:
How much of my liberal credentials would I lose if I decided to exercise my Second Amendment rights (while I still can?)
A rifle won't hold off the 3rd Infantry for very long, but I want the history books to record the "Gardencrest Skirmish" the right way.
When in Rome. . .
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:30:11
velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:30:11
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:32:21
I would go with none. Liberal doesn't mean anti gun it just mean responsible gun ownership.
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:32:21
Quote by TriSec:
How much of my liberal credentials would I lose if I decided to exercise my Second Amendment rights (while I still can?)
A rifle won't hold off the 3rd Infantry for very long, but I want the history books to record the "Gardencrest Skirmish" the right way.
I would go with none. Liberal doesn't mean anti gun it just mean responsible gun ownership.
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:33:35
starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:33:35
Bring on the Militias B*TCHES!!! 
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:36:21
I too am succombing to the fear! I am an old punk, so I think back to the Clash song lyric:
"When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun"
velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:36:21
Quote by TriSec:
How much of my liberal credentials would I lose if I decided to exercise my Second Amendment rights (while I still can?)
A rifle won't hold off the 3rd Infantry for very long, but I want the history books to record the "Gardencrest Skirmish" the right way.
I too am succombing to the fear! I am an old punk, so I think back to the Clash song lyric:
"When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun"
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:36:49
TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:36:49
Well, I would be honored to uphold the traditions of my forebears in this state....maybe you're familiar with the last time citizens took up arms against "the regulars" around here?
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:38:14
Ooh. Nice.
starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:38:14
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by TriSec:
How much of my liberal credentials would I lose if I decided to exercise my Second Amendment rights (while I still can?)
A rifle won't hold off the 3rd Infantry for very long, but I want the history books to record the "Gardencrest Skirmish" the right way.
I too am succombing to the fear! I am an old punk, so I think back to the Clash song lyric:
"When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun"
Ooh. Nice.
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:40:52
Yes. I guess when the shit hits the fan, I may follow suit.
livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:40:52
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by TriSec:
How much of my liberal credentials would I lose if I decided to exercise my Second Amendment rights (while I still can?)
A rifle won't hold off the 3rd Infantry for very long, but I want the history books to record the "Gardencrest Skirmish" the right way.
I too am succombing to the fear! I am an old punk, so I think back to the Clash song lyric:
"When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun"
Yes. I guess when the shit hits the fan, I may follow suit.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 15:41:19
Raine on 09/24/2008 15:41:19
:spit: this woman just sounded dumbfounded.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 15:43:18
Raine on 09/24/2008 15:43:18
I swear, I am thinking about getting a gun too. I may have to have a conversation with m y dad about this.
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:44:15
starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:44:15
I won't get a gun, but I will go down kickin!
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:48:08
heels or boots?
velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 15:48:08
Quote by starling310:
I won't get a gun, but I will go down kickin!
heels or boots?
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:50:02
livingonli on 09/24/2008 15:50:02
Since we're bringing up the Clash.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:51:10
TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:51:10
Well, I suppose on the plus side, I could become a Counselor for the Rifle and Shotgun shooting Merit Badge...
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:51:36
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:51:36
I don't take my id, we only need a voter registration card
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:52:33
Star you weigh 2lbs and can fit in someone's pocket I hope it's some heavy boots
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 15:52:33
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:
I won't get a gun, but I will go down kickin!
heels or boots?
Star you weigh 2lbs and can fit in someone's pocket I hope it's some heavy boots
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 15:54:25
Raine on 09/24/2008 15:54:25
Oily snail-like trail bronzer.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 15:55:53
Raine on 09/24/2008 15:55:53
I am going down in High heeled boots baby! I swear I am...
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:58:41
TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:58:41
Ah, the wonders of the internets.
Got the FID application and found a training course already.
It's NRA, though. (one caveat; my only personal dealings with the NRA have been at Scout Camp and the NRA-certified rifle ranges. Politics aside, their safety training and courses are top-notch.)
I looked into this about two years ago, but I think I'm going to follow through this time. (I may never actually buy a rifle with Javi in the house, but I want my ID card at least.)
Got the FID application and found a training course already.
It's NRA, though. (one caveat; my only personal dealings with the NRA have been at Scout Camp and the NRA-certified rifle ranges. Politics aside, their safety training and courses are top-notch.)
I looked into this about two years ago, but I think I'm going to follow through this time. (I may never actually buy a rifle with Javi in the house, but I want my ID card at least.)
Comment by m-hadley on 09/24/2008 15:58:43
Me too, Roomie,
No guns for this grrrl - I'll just sit on their faces til the breathing stops, or I'll hold their little pinheads under water until the bubbles stop.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 09/24/2008 15:58:43
Quote by starling310:
I won't get a gun, but I will go down kickin!
Me too, Roomie,
No guns for this grrrl - I'll just sit on their faces til the breathing stops, or I'll hold their little pinheads under water until the bubbles stop.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:59:19
I'm small, but I can be fast and crazy!!!
Being a Lesbian, and a fan of the Clash...i suppose I should invest in some doc martens.
starling310 on 09/24/2008 15:59:19
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:
I won't get a gun, but I will go down kickin!
heels or boots?
Star you weigh 2lbs and can fit in someone's pocket I hope it's some heavy boots
I'm small, but I can be fast and crazy!!!
Being a Lesbian, and a fan of the Clash...i suppose I should invest in some doc martens.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:59:37
We don't need anything here...I just tell the nice old lady at the table my street address and she hands me a ballot.
TriSec on 09/24/2008 15:59:37
Quote by wickedpam:
I don't take my id, we only need a voter registration card
We don't need anything here...I just tell the nice old lady at the table my street address and she hands me a ballot.
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 16:00:25
livingonli on 09/24/2008 16:00:25
You can crush us,
You can bruise us,
And even shoot us.
You can bruise us,
And even shoot us.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/24/2008 16:03:06
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 16:03:06
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 16:18:01
livingonli on 09/24/2008 16:18:01
Did Images and You Tube videos kill the blog?
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 16:31:31
I think everyone has gone off to purchase firearms! :lol:
velveeta jones on 09/24/2008 16:31:31
Quote by livingonli:
Did Images and You Tube videos kill the blog?
I think everyone has gone off to purchase firearms! :lol:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 16:34:06
cutting 400 menu inserts
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 16:34:06
cutting 400 menu inserts
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 16:35:07
Tri that is because you don't live in a racist, African-American vote suppressing, totally run by true believer movement conservative Republican crypto-fascist who think it is their mandate from God Almighty to be the majority party state. Like Florida.
BTW good afternoon!
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 16:35:07
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
I don't take my id, we only need a voter registration card
We don't need anything here...I just tell the nice old lady at the table my street address and she hands me a ballot.
Tri that is because you don't live in a racist, African-American vote suppressing, totally run by true believer movement conservative Republican crypto-fascist who think it is their mandate from God Almighty to be the majority party state. Like Florida.
BTW good afternoon!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 16:42:26
Wha! You don't have a pair of Docs? I suppose you don't have any flannel shirts either.
I keed!
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 16:42:26
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:
I won't get a gun, but I will go down kickin!
heels or boots?
Star you weigh 2lbs and can fit in someone's pocket I hope it's some heavy boots
I'm small, but I can be fast and crazy!!!
Being a Lesbian, and a fan of the Clash...i suppose I should invest in some doc martens.
Wha! You don't have a pair of Docs? I suppose you don't have any flannel shirts either.
I keed!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 16:47:13
Just up the interstate from me.
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 16:47:13
Quote by TriSec:
Reading up just a touch on the 3rd Infantry Division...
Their home base is Fort Stewart (Close to Savannah, GA)....are they going to be deployed from there?
Only the 1st Brigade is supposed to be "on call"...a brigade is around 2500 soldiers, give or take. (Not all combat, better than half of that number would be strictly support troops...clerks, cooks, maintenance, medical, etc.)
So, can this Brigade put down "civil unrest" in all 50 states simultaneously? If there's things happening in Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington, where would they go? How quickly could they get there? What about their armor, helicopters, artillery, and all the things necessary to support a brigade?
It's alarming to be sure....but it's not realistic. Scare tactics, pure and simple.
Just up the interstate from me.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/24/2008 16:53:02
Heya Mondo - no place like home eh? :lol:
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 16:53:02
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
I don't take my id, we only need a voter registration card
We don't need anything here...I just tell the nice old lady at the table my street address and she hands me a ballot.
Tri that is because you don't live in a racist, African-American vote suppressing, totally run by true believer movement conservative Republican crypto-fascist who think it is their mandate from God Almighty to be the majority party state. Like Florida.
BTW good afternoon!
Heya Mondo - no place like home eh? :lol:
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 09/24/2008 16:53:26
Bob is a very lucky man! Just sayin'
IzzyBitz on 09/24/2008 16:53:26
Quote by Raine:
I am going down in High heeled boots baby! I swear I am...
Bob is a very lucky man! Just sayin'
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:00:14
livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:00:14
Hey Mondo. And I thought I was a late sleeper.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 17:12:59
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 17:12:59
I'm sorry did he just blame Clinton for this :scratchhead:
Comment by starling310 on 09/24/2008 17:15:29
starling310 on 09/24/2008 17:15:29
A 20% Downpayment is practically impossible for most people...even ones that CAN afford the mortgage!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/24/2008 17:15:48
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 17:15:48
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 17:16:17
Who says I was sleeping? I could have been doing home owner stuff.
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 17:16:17
Quote by livingonli:
Hey Mondo. And I thought I was a late sleeper.
Who says I was sleeping? I could have been doing home owner stuff.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 17:17:57
Riiight. So farts are battery? Right. You keep thinking that.
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 17:17:57
Quote by Scoopster:
Man charged with battery for farting in the direction of a cop.
Errr... yeah.
Riiight. So farts are battery? Right. You keep thinking that.
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:19:02
In con circles everything that has gone wrong since the 1960's can be traced to Bill Clinton.
livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:19:02
Quote by wickedpam:
I'm sorry did he just blame Clinton for this :scratchhead:
In con circles everything that has gone wrong since the 1960's can be traced to Bill Clinton.
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:20:41
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:20:41
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Man charged with battery for farting in the direction of a cop.
Errr... yeah.
Riiight. So farts are battery? Right. You keep thinking that.
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 17:24:48
10% is pretty impossible too.
I got my home through a City program for first time homeowners. Great thing about the program was they made sure you didn't by more house then you could afford and they made you take classes on finances, home care and went over your actual finacials
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 17:24:48
Quote by starling310:
A 20% Downpayment is practically impossible for most people...even ones that CAN afford the mortgage!
10% is pretty impossible too.
I got my home through a City program for first time homeowners. Great thing about the program was they made sure you didn't by more house then you could afford and they made you take classes on finances, home care and went over your actual finacials
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 17:36:12
Tri, did you look at the units in the 1st BCT? It has an infantry battalion, an armor battalion, a company of armored cavalry (5th Squadron 7th Cav you might have heard of them), and a field artillery battalion. The aviation brigade is divisional element. I'm sure if they wanted to they could easily detach a squadron to support the 1st BCT. I'm just sayin...
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 17:36:12
Quote by TriSec:
Reading up just a touch on the 3rd Infantry Division...
Their home base is Fort Stewart (Close to Savannah, GA)....are they going to be deployed from there?
Only the 1st Brigade is supposed to be "on call"...a brigade is around 2500 soldiers, give or take. (Not all combat, better than half of that number would be strictly support troops...clerks, cooks, maintenance, medical, etc.)
So, can this Brigade put down "civil unrest" in all 50 states simultaneously? If there's things happening in Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington, where would they go? How quickly could they get there? What about their armor, helicopters, artillery, and all the things necessary to support a brigade?
It's alarming to be sure....but it's not realistic. Scare tactics, pure and simple.
Tri, did you look at the units in the 1st BCT? It has an infantry battalion, an armor battalion, a company of armored cavalry (5th Squadron 7th Cav you might have heard of them), and a field artillery battalion. The aviation brigade is divisional element. I'm sure if they wanted to they could easily detach a squadron to support the 1st BCT. I'm just sayin...
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:40:44
If I thought home ownership was difficult before I got laid off, now I consider it almost impossible. And I can't get ahead with my bills and my over $1000 a month rent.
livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:40:44
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
A 20% Downpayment is practically impossible for most people...even ones that CAN afford the mortgage!
10% is pretty impossible too.
I got my home through a City program for first time homeowners. Great thing about the program was they made sure you didn't by more house then you could afford and they made you take classes on finances, home care and went over your actual finacials
If I thought home ownership was difficult before I got laid off, now I consider it almost impossible. And I can't get ahead with my bills and my over $1000 a month rent.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 17:44:16
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 17:44:16
Hmm something said. I have a pair of Doc Marten's. I sleep with women. Tri, I am lesbian just like you are lesbian!
said. I have a pair of Doc Marten's. I sleep with women. Tri, I am lesbian just like you are lesbian!
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:48:36
livingonli on 09/24/2008 17:48:36
Time to go head out and do stuff. Talk to y'all when I get back.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 18:32:15
See, that's another thing I don't understand. How come all the military bases in the US are in bible-thumping, god-fearing, flag-waving, (re: reliable Republicans) parts of the country?
If they're going to be needed to quell civil disobedience, wouldn't it make more sense to put them near those areas that might be inclined to be rowdy?
(Oh yeah, BRAC closed all those bases!)
See Mondo? No troops to stop us, and secession becomes possible!
TriSec on 09/24/2008 18:32:15
Quote by Mondobubba:
Just up the interstate from me.
See, that's another thing I don't understand. How come all the military bases in the US are in bible-thumping, god-fearing, flag-waving, (re: reliable Republicans) parts of the country?
If they're going to be needed to quell civil disobedience, wouldn't it make more sense to put them near those areas that might be inclined to be rowdy?
(Oh yeah, BRAC closed all those bases!)
See Mondo? No troops to stop us, and secession becomes possible!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 18:58:45
Lots of land, when the bases were created there were very powerful members on the armed services committees of both houses who brought the bacon home.
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 18:58:45
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Just up the interstate from me.
See, that's another thing I don't understand. How come all the military bases in the US are in bible-thumping, god-fearing, flag-waving, (re: reliable Republicans) parts of the country?
If they're going to be needed to quell civil disobedience, wouldn't it make more sense to put them near those areas that might be inclined to be rowdy?
(Oh yeah, BRAC closed all those bases!)
See Mondo? No troops to stop us, and secession becomes possible!
Lots of land, when the bases were created there were very powerful members on the armed services committees of both houses who brought the bacon home.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 19:08:54
Raine on 09/24/2008 19:08:54
OK... Did I just hear that right?
Suspending his campaign?
No... he is just going to stop campaigning.
Suspending his campaign?
No... he is just going to stop campaigning.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 19:09:06
TriSec on 09/24/2008 19:09:06
Dow's a little skittish today...
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 19:12:50
Raine on 09/24/2008 19:12:50
HE suspends his campaign but!!!!!
He has asked the FEC to suspend the debate of Friday.
He has asked the FEC to suspend the debate of Friday.
The Arizona senator also asked the Presidential Debate Commission to postpone Friday’s scheduled debate with Obama so that he can work on the financial crisis bailout plan now on Capitol Hill.
“America this week faces an historic crisis in our financial system. We must pass legislation to address this crisis. If we do not, credit will dry up, with devastating consequences for our economy. People will no longer be able to buy homes and their life savings will be at stake. Businesses will not have enough money to pay their employees. If we do not act, ever corner of our country will be impacted. We cannot allow this to happen,” McCain said.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 19:20:09
TriSec on 09/24/2008 19:20:09
I don't get it, what's his angle?
Is he giving up, or trying to paint Obama into a corner now? (See, I went to the Senate to be a Senator....He's still on the campaign trail!)
The FEC better say no; debates as planned.
This could be the beginning of the voice deity's nightmare scenario. (We didn't have debates, guess we'll have to postpone the election now.)
Is he giving up, or trying to paint Obama into a corner now? (See, I went to the Senate to be a Senator....He's still on the campaign trail!)
The FEC better say no; debates as planned.
This could be the beginning of the voice deity's nightmare scenario. (We didn't have debates, guess we'll have to postpone the election now.)
Comment by Scoopster on 09/24/2008 19:26:11
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 19:26:11
That looks like the angle he's taking.. he's asked Obama to stop campaigning as well so they can work on addressing the issue together.
Hard to tell if he's being genuine, but he's gonna look that way to the independents.. I'm personally leaning towards the 'it's a total political move' side of things.
Hard to tell if he's being genuine, but he's gonna look that way to the independents.. I'm personally leaning towards the 'it's a total political move' side of things.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 19:28:24
Raine on 09/24/2008 19:28:24
IF John MCCain can't handle this crisis and running for president, he has no right to be even consdeird as President of the United States of America.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 19:30:22
TriSec on 09/24/2008 19:30:22
And how many crises happened during other election cycles? Were things delayed then?
ONLY with this administration and party in power....nothing they do is without political motivation.
ONLY with this administration and party in power....nothing they do is without political motivation.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 19:31:00
Raine on 09/24/2008 19:31:00
I agree that this is a political Move... nothing more... but it is huge, and Barack REALLY needs to pound the point home that John MCCain can't handle crisis with a clear pragmantic head.
If you can't do BOTH things, Jonny Mac, you can't be president. I thought you were a POW, I thought you were tougher than this.
If you can't do BOTH things, Jonny Mac, you can't be president. I thought you were a POW, I thought you were tougher than this.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 19:37:52
TriSec on 09/24/2008 19:37:52
That's it, isn't it? World Crises don't happen one at a time, and the rest of them don't wait while you're focusing on only one issue.
Sorry, not Presidential. Not at all. I have no doubts that Sen. Obama is on top of the situation, when he is *needed* in Washington, he'll be there.
But isn't McCain chairman of the Senate Finance Committee? He might actually be needed in congress. Of course, this doesn't excuse the last 6 months of absences, but still...
Sorry, not Presidential. Not at all. I have no doubts that Sen. Obama is on top of the situation, when he is *needed* in Washington, he'll be there.
But isn't McCain chairman of the Senate Finance Committee? He might actually be needed in congress. Of course, this doesn't excuse the last 6 months of absences, but still...
Comment by Scoopster on 09/24/2008 19:38:12
Quoted for the mutha fuckin' truth.
Scoopster on 09/24/2008 19:38:12
Quote by Raine:
IF John MCCain can't handle this crisis and running for president, he has no right to be even consdeird as President of the United States of America.
Quoted for the mutha fuckin' truth.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 19:41:20
Raine on 09/24/2008 19:41:20
Funny, Even George Bush didn't postpone celebrating John McCains Birthday for KAtrina.
Come to think of it, John MCCain GLADLY celebrated it.
Come to think of it, John MCCain GLADLY celebrated it.
Comment by BobR on 09/24/2008 19:41:42
BobR on 09/24/2008 19:41:42
FYI - We've added an RSS feed link (under the Actions box on the left), so that should make posting stuff from here to other sites much easier.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/24/2008 19:42:38
the man is not a multi-tasker
wickedpam on 09/24/2008 19:42:38
Quote by Raine:
IF John MCCain can't handle this crisis and running for president, he has no right to be even consdeird as President of the United States of America.
the man is not a multi-tasker
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 19:42:51
:redface: Fixed quote for my spelling!
Raine on 09/24/2008 19:42:51
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
IF John McCain can't handle this crisis and running for president, he has no right to be even considered as President of the United States of America.
Quoted for the mutha fuckin' truth.
:redface: Fixed quote for my spelling!
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 19:45:52
Raine on 09/24/2008 19:45:52
So Do you think the Maverick is willing to tell Osama Bin Laden that he just doesn't have time to talk about terror attacks? Cause that is basically what we are seeing here.
John McCAin is indeed saying that he can't discuss national Security and our economic crisis at the same time.
I feel so much safer now.
John McCAin is indeed saying that he can't discuss national Security and our economic crisis at the same time.
I feel so much safer now.
Comment by MNRN on 09/24/2008 19:52:05
MNRN on 09/24/2008 19:52:05
afternoon y'all. Finally finished my paper and am eating some lunch. Just say the Mccain story on the interwebs. Does he really think we are that stupid? Pwesident McChimpy will be on the teevee tonite to tell us we better get this bill passed right away or, or, or else, uh, something bads gonna happen.
Like this ISN"T bad. Fuck these people.
NO BLANK CHECK.
Or I swear it, I will take my family and my shit and move to Costa Rica.
:sigh: Thanks for listening. I feel a little better now.
Like this ISN"T bad. Fuck these people.
NO BLANK CHECK.
Or I swear it, I will take my family and my shit and move to Costa Rica.
:sigh: Thanks for listening. I feel a little better now.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 19:54:58
Raine on 09/24/2008 19:54:58
Can someone please explain to me why he would be waiting to cancel the campaign AFTER the meeting with the Clinton GLobal Initiative? Why not just do it now and get your ass to DC?
This thing Stinks.
I can see it next:
BREAKING: Sarah Palin asks to cancel VP debate because she tripped over Moose Poop While looking over the water at Russia.
This thing Stinks.
I can see it next:
BREAKING: Sarah Palin asks to cancel VP debate because she tripped over Moose Poop While looking over the water at Russia.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 19:56:26
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 19:56:26
Well we all have had lots to say today. Me I've been studying. 
Now I'm taking a break and watching "Letters From Iwo Jima" Which requires I really pay attention since it is Japanese n all.
Now I'm taking a break and watching "Letters From Iwo Jima" Which requires I really pay attention since it is Japanese n all.
Comment by MNRN on 09/24/2008 19:58:18
MNRN on 09/24/2008 19:58:18
I had to take a break. I didn't have any paper to print my paper on.
that's kind of a problem, since its a paper n all.
that's kind of a problem, since its a paper n all.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 20:01:18
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 20:01:18
Tri, the defenders of Iwo Jima just as heroic as the attackers? Discuss!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 20:03:58
Do you have the same love of office supplies that you sistah has? If so, Staples run! :dance:
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 20:03:58
Quote by MNRN:
I had to take a break. I didn't have any paper to print my paper on.
that's kind of a problem, since its a paper n all.
Do you have the same love of office supplies that you sistah has? If so, Staples run! :dance:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 20:05:36
Who cares at this point what Pickle-Joker Bush has to say. Go take some more meds.
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 20:05:36
Quote by BobR:
Laura Bush says Palin lacks foreign policy experience
:o
Who cares at this point what Pickle-Joker Bush has to say. Go take some more meds.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 20:08:14
Hmm, I'm inclined to agree in most respects.
Combat veterans, no matter what uniform they wore, experienced things that us civilians just can't comprehend. Maybe in 1946 people didn't think so, but these many years removed....The Imperial Japanese soldiers were just conscripts like their American counterparts. All they wanted to do was get the job done and not get killed.
TriSec on 09/24/2008 20:08:14
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, the defenders of Iwo Jima just as heroic as the attackers? Discuss!
Hmm, I'm inclined to agree in most respects.
Combat veterans, no matter what uniform they wore, experienced things that us civilians just can't comprehend. Maybe in 1946 people didn't think so, but these many years removed....The Imperial Japanese soldiers were just conscripts like their American counterparts. All they wanted to do was get the job done and not get killed.
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 20:08:56
TriSec says that Laura Bush lacks a human soul.
TriSec on 09/24/2008 20:08:56
Quote by BobR:
Laura Bush says Palin lacks foreign policy experience
:o
TriSec says that Laura Bush lacks a human soul.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 20:19:10
Raine on 09/24/2008 20:19:10
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 20:24:36
Raine on 09/24/2008 20:24:36
I wonder if all those people who have had their houses foreclosed on were able to tell all the other bill collectors "Hey, can you wait a little while? I gotta crisis over here I wanna deal with."
I am sure that worked out great for them, I am sure they were met with FLowers and candy. :waiting:
I am sure that worked out great for them, I am sure they were met with FLowers and candy. :waiting:
Comment by m-hadley on 09/24/2008 20:26:51
Excellent post Scoopster :airhump:
What is John McBush gonna be doing on Friday night if he isn't debating Obama? My guess, he'll be eating pizza in front of one of his huge plasma screen TVs and thinking about getting some from Cindy Lou :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 09/24/2008 20:26:51
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
Lead or get the hell out of the way, John.
:clap:
Excellent post Scoopster :airhump:
What is John McBush gonna be doing on Friday night if he isn't debating Obama? My guess, he'll be eating pizza in front of one of his huge plasma screen TVs and thinking about getting some from Cindy Lou :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by TriSec on 09/24/2008 20:28:45
TriSec on 09/24/2008 20:28:45
Seen on the Boston Globe blog:
It's 3:00 AM. A phone rings in the White House. It's an international crisis. John McCain answers the phone and says, "Not now.. Call me back in the morning."
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 20:42:49
Raine on 09/24/2008 20:42:49
I smell the early stirrings of a Keith Olbermann special comment.
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 20:53:10
livingonli on 09/24/2008 20:53:10
I'm back.
MNRN, if you move to Costa Rica when the shit hits the fan, can I join you?
MNRN, if you move to Costa Rica when the shit hits the fan, can I join you?
Comment by Shane-O on 09/24/2008 20:56:53
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 20:56:53
Oh brother - I could practically write the McCain press statement after the Obama press conference:
As usual (remember, must say with Rep. snark), Sen. Obama opts to talk about a critical problem facing the United States rather than act. John McCain has chosen to put his country first, roll up his sleeves and do the (wait for it....) "hard work" necessary to solve the current economic crisis while Sen. Obama continues to offer only words.
This has been an episode of "What The McCain?"
As usual (remember, must say with Rep. snark), Sen. Obama opts to talk about a critical problem facing the United States rather than act. John McCain has chosen to put his country first, roll up his sleeves and do the (wait for it....) "hard work" necessary to solve the current economic crisis while Sen. Obama continues to offer only words.
This has been an episode of "What The McCain?"
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 20:57:03
Raine on 09/24/2008 20:57:03
Baack Obama should just show up in Mississippi... call Gramps on his bluff. DO IT! DO IT LIVE!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 21:21:13
McCain in the Membrane!
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 21:21:13
Quote by Shane-O:
Oh brother - I could practically write the McCain press statement after the Obama press conference:
As usual (remember, must say with Rep. snark), Sen. Obama opts to talk about a critical problem facing the United States rather than act. John McCain has chosen to put his country first, roll up his sleeves and do the (wait for it....) "hard work" necessary to solve the current economic crisis while Sen. Obama continues to offer only words.
This has been an episode of "What The McCain?"
McCain in the Membrane!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 21:24:06
Mondobubba on 09/24/2008 21:24:06
Mondo highly recommends both "Letters From Iwo Jima" and "Flags of Our Fathers." Two very sobering movies about heroism.
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 21:29:03
:clap:
:cry: When Satire becomes reality.
Raine on 09/24/2008 21:29:03
Quote by Shane-O:
Oh brother - I could practically write the McCain press statement after the Obama press conference:
As usual (remember, must say with Rep. snark), Sen. Obama opts to talk about a critical problem facing the United States rather than act. John McCain has chosen to put his country first, roll up his sleeves and do the (wait for it....) "hard work" necessary to solve the current economic crisis while Sen. Obama continues to offer only words.
This has been an episode of "What The McCain?"
:cry: When Satire becomes reality.
Comment by 
Random on 09/24/2008 21:33:35
Random on 09/24/2008 21:33:35
From some random person on Wonkette
~ Every time John Mccain says, "My friends..." take one drink
~ Any reference to MAverick by either a pundit, moderator, or candidate drink twice.
~ Each reference to McCain's years as a P.O.W.- Salute the tv. then drink.
~ When McCain refers to himself as a candidate of change, drink half a beer.
~ McCain ever mentions the press giving Obama a "free pass" or being "in the tank for him, FINISH YOUR BEER--there are no free passes.
~ If her refers to being thwarted by the 'black dude' and the 'elitist media' in his quest to put "country first" and save the economy by cancelling the debate, throw a penny at the teevee and take a drink.
Bonus: If he's not there, drink everytime an absent John McCain doesn't say anything.
~ Every time Obama says the word "Change" make someone else (who is drinking) take a drink
~ Each reference to Obama's community organizing - organize a group waterfal in a Right to Left fashion..
~ Drink when either candidate starts their answer with "That's a great question..."
~ sip when either candidate starts stammering on excessively saying "...uh..."
~ Every time John Mccain says, "My friends..." take one drink
~ Any reference to MAverick by either a pundit, moderator, or candidate drink twice.
~ Each reference to McCain's years as a P.O.W.- Salute the tv. then drink.
~ When McCain refers to himself as a candidate of change, drink half a beer.
~ McCain ever mentions the press giving Obama a "free pass" or being "in the tank for him, FINISH YOUR BEER--there are no free passes.
~ If her refers to being thwarted by the 'black dude' and the 'elitist media' in his quest to put "country first" and save the economy by cancelling the debate, throw a penny at the teevee and take a drink.
Bonus: If he's not there, drink everytime an absent John McCain doesn't say anything.
~ Every time Obama says the word "Change" make someone else (who is drinking) take a drink
~ Each reference to Obama's community organizing - organize a group waterfal in a Right to Left fashion..
~ Drink when either candidate starts their answer with "That's a great question..."
~ sip when either candidate starts stammering on excessively saying "...uh..."
Comment by Shane-O on 09/24/2008 21:39:11
You can usually see them coming -- he has "Special Comment" contractions for a few days prior... I'd bet on tomorrow - since he was at the baseball game last night and that might have eased his anger for a few hours. Friday is too late (as the debate is that night (allegedly)).
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 21:39:11
Quote by Raine:
I smell the early stirrings of a Keith Olbermann special comment.
You can usually see them coming -- he has "Special Comment" contractions for a few days prior... I'd bet on tomorrow - since he was at the baseball game last night and that might have eased his anger for a few hours. Friday is too late (as the debate is that night (allegedly)).
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 21:47:33
Following these rules, you will be drunk in no time.
livingonli on 09/24/2008 21:47:33
Quote by Random:
From some random person on Wonkette
~ Every time John Mccain says, "My friends..." take one drink
~ Any reference to MAverick by either a pundit, moderator, or candidate drink twice.
~ Each reference to McCain's years as a P.O.W.- Salute the tv. then drink.
~ When McCain refers to himself as a candidate of change, drink half a beer.
~ McCain ever mentions the press giving Obama a "free pass" or being "in the tank for him, FINISH YOUR BEER--there are no free passes.
~ If her refers to being thwarted by the 'black dude' and the 'elitist media' in his quest to put "country first" and save the economy by cancelling the debate, throw a penny at the teevee and take a drink.
Bonus: If he's not there, drink everytime an absent John McCain doesn't say anything.
~ Every time Obama says the word "Change" make someone else (who is drinking) take a drink
~ Each reference to Obama's community organizing - organize a group waterfal in a Right to Left fashion..
~ Drink when either candidate starts their answer with "That's a great question..."
~ sip when either candidate starts stammering on excessively saying "...uh..."
Following these rules, you will be drunk in no time.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/24/2008 21:48:59
Irony?
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 21:48:59
Quote by Random:
From some random person on Wonkette
Irony?
Comment by Random on 09/24/2008 21:52:51
Hm...I suppose, if i could remember the finer points of Irony.
Random on 09/24/2008 21:52:51
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Random:
From some random person on Wonkette
Irony?
Hm...I suppose, if i could remember the finer points of Irony.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/24/2008 21:54:37
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 21:54:37
I want to see the debate - and everyone should. In a matter of months, this $700 Billion will be in the hands of one of the two men to debate on Friday.
Might be nice to know what they'll do with it? The only thing scarier than Hank Paulson having that kind of power is Phil Gramm having it...
Might be nice to know what they'll do with it? The only thing scarier than Hank Paulson having that kind of power is Phil Gramm having it...
Comment by livingonli on 09/24/2008 21:56:19
livingonli on 09/24/2008 21:56:19
Comment by Shane-O on 09/24/2008 22:08:09
Random™ quoting a "random person" -- that's not you. I maybe I stretched the concept too far...
Shane-O on 09/24/2008 22:08:09
Quote by Random:Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Random:
From some random person on Wonkette
Irony?
Hm...I suppose, if i could remember the finer points of Irony.
Random™ quoting a "random person" -- that's not you. I maybe I stretched the concept too far...
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 23:41:12
This explains my retroactive drunkeness since say... February???
Raine on 09/24/2008 23:41:12
Quote by Random:
From some random person on Wonkette
~ Every time John Mccain says, "My friends..." take one drink
~ Any reference to MAverick by either a pundit, moderator, or candidate drink twice.
~ Each reference to McCain's years as a P.O.W.- Salute the tv. then drink.
~ When McCain refers to himself as a candidate of change, drink half a beer.
~ McCain ever mentions the press giving Obama a "free pass" or being "in the tank for him, FINISH YOUR BEER--there are no free passes.
~ If her refers to being thwarted by the 'black dude' and the 'elitist media' in his quest to put "country first" and save the economy by cancelling the debate, throw a penny at the teevee and take a drink.
Bonus: If he's not there, drink everytime an absent John McCain doesn't say anything.
~ Every time Obama says the word "Change" make someone else (who is drinking) take a drink
~ Each reference to Obama's community organizing - organize a group waterfal in a Right to Left fashion..
~ Drink when either candidate starts their answer with "That's a great question..."
~ sip when either candidate starts stammering on excessively saying "...uh..."
Comment by Raine on 09/24/2008 23:45:02
I was thinking tomorrow as well.
This one came to early for him to get one together, and Friday is too late.
BTW... I
Don't do SC's.
But I had a thought, about the debate issue.
:peace:
Raine on 09/24/2008 23:45:02
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
I smell the early stirrings of a Keith Olbermann special comment.
You can usually see them coming -- he has "Special Comment" contractions for a few days prior... I'd bet on tomorrow - since he was at the baseball game last night and that might have eased his anger for a few hours. Friday is too late (as the debate is that night (allegedly)).
This one came to early for him to get one together, and Friday is too late.
BTW... I
Don't do SC's.
But I had a thought, about the debate issue.
:peace:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/25/2008 00:08:40
Mondobubba on 09/25/2008 00:08:40
John McCain is a friggin buffoon.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/25/2008 00:14:02
Mondobubba on 09/25/2008 00:14:02
Sarah, you backwoods hick, please for the love of God, listen to the handlers and stop dropping your Rs you are running for vice president, not president of the Wasilla PTA! :modbat: