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Horseshit!!!
Author: Raine
Date: 09/29/2008 12:23:04
The McCain Campain is dedicated to getting Tina Faye back to SNL. Actually, I think they have been hired to write for them. --- And saving Katie Couric's Career.
Yes. This is TOTALLY the kind of publicity Palin needs! Totally. Otherwise we would forget about Sarah Palin. More Sarah. We need to know MORE about Sarah. Like this:
It's actually a brilliant Strategy for the McCain campaign. At this point... if Sarah remembers her name on Thursday many people will be happy. Sarah has been in the public spotlight for a month now and if I cared to, I would come up with a greatest hits list for her bumbles. (those bumbles, I might add are '1 heartbeat away from a 72 year old heart')
In the meantime, I am still awed by the performance of John McCain Friday night. It wasn't what he said (which has thoroughly and rightfully been discussed) It was his body language... no wait.. it was his Language, that blew me away. He was a man who looked angry, impatient and cranky. He could not look at Obama. He twitched, smirked and mocked. This was not a presidential candidate, this was a truly angry, cranky old man. He could not keep that temper under control. He cursed twice.. There are a lot more video's of this out there, but I like this one best.
This week should be interesting. Sarah and John... Dumb and Angry. I would find it Hard to work for 2 people like this, much less have them in charge of the country, and yet, this is what the GOP is hoping America will elect. Totally inept is this team, and yet, people still think that this is the best America has to offer. John McCain was right. This is Horseshit.
The reality is this... we cannot sit back and relax. The polls are still close, and they will STILL try to steal our votes. We have a lot of work to do before November 4th. I see the finish line but I know that we still have a ways to go.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
Team McCain tells me the strategy of having Palin talk to traditional broadcast networks ABC and CBS was designed to allow Palin to reach the maximum number of viewers. "Coming off her tremendous performance at the convention, our goal was to allow as many Americans as possible an opportunity to see her answer questions about her record, her biography and her principles and convictions on as large a stage as possible," one campaign source told me this afternoon. The new CBS interviews, to be done tomorrow, are intended to keep Palin in the public eye as she prepares for Thursday's debate.
Yes. This is TOTALLY the kind of publicity Palin needs! Totally. Otherwise we would forget about Sarah Palin. More Sarah. We need to know MORE about Sarah. Like this:
It's actually a brilliant Strategy for the McCain campaign. At this point... if Sarah remembers her name on Thursday many people will be happy. Sarah has been in the public spotlight for a month now and if I cared to, I would come up with a greatest hits list for her bumbles. (those bumbles, I might add are '1 heartbeat away from a 72 year old heart')
In the meantime, I am still awed by the performance of John McCain Friday night. It wasn't what he said (which has thoroughly and rightfully been discussed) It was his body language... no wait.. it was his Language, that blew me away. He was a man who looked angry, impatient and cranky. He could not look at Obama. He twitched, smirked and mocked. This was not a presidential candidate, this was a truly angry, cranky old man. He could not keep that temper under control. He cursed twice.. There are a lot more video's of this out there, but I like this one best.
This week should be interesting. Sarah and John... Dumb and Angry. I would find it Hard to work for 2 people like this, much less have them in charge of the country, and yet, this is what the GOP is hoping America will elect. Totally inept is this team, and yet, people still think that this is the best America has to offer. John McCain was right. This is Horseshit.
The reality is this... we cannot sit back and relax. The polls are still close, and they will STILL try to steal our votes. We have a lot of work to do before November 4th. I see the finish line but I know that we still have a ways to go.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
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Comment by 
m-hadley on 09/29/2008 12:47:59
m-hadley on 09/29/2008 12:47:59
Another Rockin' Post Raine-O
Hope your week is off to a great start - can't wait until Thursday :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Hope your week is off to a great start - can't wait until Thursday :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 12:54:36
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 12:54:36
Morning :hug:
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/29/2008 12:58:01
TriSec on 09/29/2008 12:58:01
Good Morning, my fellow fundamentals!
(Well, we're still sound, aren't we?)
(Well, we're still sound, aren't we?)
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 13:03:15
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 13:03:15
just heard something on the AP news about a triple murder in Yankton 
Comment by 
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:03:59
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:03:59
BTW, I changed the Youtube video. I was very sleepy this morning. Long weekend.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:04:36
I just heard that too.
:(
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:04:36
Quote by wickedpam:
just heard something on the AP news about a triple murder in Yankton
I just heard that too.
:(
Comment by 
BobR on 09/29/2008 13:04:47
BobR on 09/29/2008 13:04:47
Morning folks... :coffee:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 13:09:14
had something to do with an apartment complex and I believe MGM has a cute house there, it was just weird to hear about Yankton on the news
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 13:09:14
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
just heard something on the AP news about a triple murder in Yankton
I just heard that too.
:(
had something to do with an apartment complex and I believe MGM has a cute house there, it was just weird to hear about Yankton on the news
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:10:00
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:10:00
Barry Peck and the Pecker Family... 
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:12:07
I can't see this getting thrown out.
I also sense this may be lawyers posturing.
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:12:07
Quote by BobR:
This isn't good. Stevens trial may be in jeopardy...
I can't see this getting thrown out.
I also sense this may be lawyers posturing.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:13:21
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:13:21
I hated that Jim Lehrer did that.
it was Horsesh*t. my friends. Horsesh*t. :P
it was Horsesh*t. my friends. Horsesh*t. :P
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:15:17
TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:15:17
News from Yankton
YANKTON - Chassidy Bamsey was supposed to get married this afternoon. Instead, family members will be making funeral arrangements.
Bamsey was one of three people gunned down inside an apartment complex Sunday afternoon. She would have been 21 next week, said her stepfather, William Bamsey.
Also killed were her fiancé, Brian Vanwagner, 29, and Robert Riibe, 21, a friend of the couple.
Yankon Police arrested Ernest Benjamin Tupper, 58, in connection with the homicides. He was being held Sunday night in the Yankton County Jail.
Police Chief Duane Heeney said Tupper faces three counts of first-degree murder.
Police received a report at 2:20 p.m. of a shooting at Marne Creek Apartments. When officers arrived, Tupper was in his apartment. A dispatcher talked Tupper out of his home, and officers took him into custody without incident, Heeney said.
Police said they had not established a motive as of Sunday night. But William Bamsey, who lives in the complex with Monica Foxhoven, said Tupper and Riibe, who also has an apartment in the complex, had argued about music.
"He always played his music," William Bamsey said of Riibe. "He might have made (Tupper) angry."
William Bamsey said Tupper ambushed the three after they stepped off an elevator. He was armed with a pistol and fired several shots. He said it appeared that his stepdaughter and Vanwagner had tried to escape. He speculated that they were targeted because they were with Riibe.
Foxhoven heard shooting, looked outside and saw Tupper armed with a pistol.
"I heard he had a mental illness," she said of Tupper.
Both Foxhoven and William Bamsey waited in their apartment, not realizing that Chassidy Bamsey had been shot.
"I didn't know my daughter and her fiancé were shot," he said, still shocked by what had transpired a few hours earlier.
William Bamsey and Foxhoven said they were staying with a sister because they were not allowed to go back into the apartment complex.
YANKTON - Chassidy Bamsey was supposed to get married this afternoon. Instead, family members will be making funeral arrangements.
Bamsey was one of three people gunned down inside an apartment complex Sunday afternoon. She would have been 21 next week, said her stepfather, William Bamsey.
Also killed were her fiancé, Brian Vanwagner, 29, and Robert Riibe, 21, a friend of the couple.
Yankon Police arrested Ernest Benjamin Tupper, 58, in connection with the homicides. He was being held Sunday night in the Yankton County Jail.
Police Chief Duane Heeney said Tupper faces three counts of first-degree murder.
Police received a report at 2:20 p.m. of a shooting at Marne Creek Apartments. When officers arrived, Tupper was in his apartment. A dispatcher talked Tupper out of his home, and officers took him into custody without incident, Heeney said.
Police said they had not established a motive as of Sunday night. But William Bamsey, who lives in the complex with Monica Foxhoven, said Tupper and Riibe, who also has an apartment in the complex, had argued about music.
"He always played his music," William Bamsey said of Riibe. "He might have made (Tupper) angry."
William Bamsey said Tupper ambushed the three after they stepped off an elevator. He was armed with a pistol and fired several shots. He said it appeared that his stepdaughter and Vanwagner had tried to escape. He speculated that they were targeted because they were with Riibe.
Foxhoven heard shooting, looked outside and saw Tupper armed with a pistol.
"I heard he had a mental illness," she said of Tupper.
Both Foxhoven and William Bamsey waited in their apartment, not realizing that Chassidy Bamsey had been shot.
"I didn't know my daughter and her fiancé were shot," he said, still shocked by what had transpired a few hours earlier.
William Bamsey and Foxhoven said they were staying with a sister because they were not allowed to go back into the apartment complex.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:15:51
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:15:51
Hey! That's Eminem, isn't it? :clap:
Comment by 
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 13:24:11
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 13:24:11
Hello?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 13:25:15
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 13:25:15
hey Grump
Comment by 
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 13:25:51
Neighbors of the Focker family...
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 13:25:51
Quote by Raine:
Barry Peck and the Pecker Family...
Neighbors of the Focker family...
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 13:26:08
Hey WP
Good to know I'm here!
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 13:26:08
Quote by wickedpam:
hey Grump
Hey WP
Good to know I'm here!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:26:17
I read around the innertubes that this happened after a certain DVD made it's appearance in Ohio. This one.
F*ckers.
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:26:17
Quote by Grumpymann:
Sick, sick, sick ....
Oh yeah hello folks.
I read around the innertubes that this happened after a certain DVD made it's appearance in Ohio. This one.
F*ckers.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:27:44
HELLO!
I was looking up some info about your story there grump.
How are you this fine post debate Monday?
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:27:44
Quote by Grumpymann:
Hello?
HELLO!
I was looking up some info about your story there grump.
How are you this fine post debate Monday?
Comment by BobR on 09/29/2008 13:28:08
I think he's setting up for an appeal...
BobR on 09/29/2008 13:28:08
Quote by Raine:
I can't see this getting thrown out.
I also sense this may be lawyers posturing.
I think he's setting up for an appeal...
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:28:46
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:28:46
DJ! on the Phone!!!
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 13:28:50
Yeah I got that in the mail not too long ago. I use it for a coaster for a my dog to drag his ass on.
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 13:28:50
Quote by Raine:Quote by Grumpymann:
Sick, sick, sick ....
Oh yeah hello folks.
I read around the innertubes that this happened after a certain DVD made it's appearance in Ohio. This one.
F*ckers.
Yeah I got that in the mail not too long ago. I use it for a coaster for a my dog to drag his ass on.
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 13:29:37
Fine and you?
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 13:29:37
Quote by Raine:Quote by Grumpymann:
Hello?
HELLO!
I was looking up some info about your story there grump.
How are you this fine post debate Monday?
Fine and you?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 13:29:45
So that's was DJ sounds like :D
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 13:29:45
Quote by Raine:
DJ! on the Phone!!!
So that's was DJ sounds like :D
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 13:30:16
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 13:30:16
Wow - I guess DJ has been promoted to 
's boss...
's boss...
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:31:03
Ah, that seems to be the newest talking point. My Republican in-laws have been spouting off recently about how bad Islam is and how they want to dominate the world and convert all of us.
(Of course conveniently forgetting that they were all Sephardic Jews until the Spanish Inquisition.)
TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:31:03
Quote by Raine:
I read around the innertubes that this happened after a certain DVD made it's appearance in Ohio. This one.
F*ckers.
Ah, that seems to be the newest talking point. My Republican in-laws have been spouting off recently about how bad Islam is and how they want to dominate the world and convert all of us.
(Of course conveniently forgetting that they were all Sephardic Jews until the Spanish Inquisition.)
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:34:11
How, by the way, is this NOT a terror attack on American Soil?
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:34:11
Quote by Raine:Quote by Grumpymann:
Sick, sick, sick ....
Oh yeah hello folks.
I read around the innertubes that this happened after a certain DVD made it's appearance in Ohio. This one.
F*ckers.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:35:43
Followers of Mohammed? Come on now, you know that doesn't count...
TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:35:43
Quote by Raine:How, by the way, is this NOT a terror attack on American Soil?Quote by Raine:Quote by Grumpymann:
Sick, sick, sick ....
Oh yeah hello folks.
I read around the innertubes that this happened after a certain DVD made it's appearance in Ohio. This one.
F*ckers.
Followers of Mohammed? Come on now, you know that doesn't count...
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:35:48
"In What Respect, Cherlie"
:rofl:
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:35:48
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by Raine:Quote by Grumpymann:
Hello?
HELLO!
I was looking up some info about your story there grump.
How are you this fine post debate Monday?
Fine and you?
:rofl:
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:38:30
Did you catch that backtrack on Gov. Palin being well-educatedinformed?
TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:38:30
Did you catch that backtrack on Gov. Palin being well-
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:41:24
TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:41:24
I say again, Russia has been sending TU-160s up and down the East Coast to Venezuela; they've also sent a capital ship on a foreign tour through the Caribbean.
Surely, that's near Alaska. But then again, that's not Putin's head; it's his planes and ships, so I guess that's different.
Surely, that's near Alaska. But then again, that's not Putin's head; it's his planes and ships, so I guess that's different.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:43:01
TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:43:01
You know, he might have been a right-wing tool, but he was jovial and upbeat about it.
That's actually refreshing.
That's actually refreshing.
Comment by BobR on 09/29/2008 13:48:00
BobR on 09/29/2008 13:48:00
Quote by TriSec:
Did you catch that backtrack on Gov. Palin being well-educatedinformed?
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 13:48:14
I said that last night when Bobber posted the article to das blog.
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 13:48:14
Quote by Raine:How, by the way, is this NOT a terror attack on American Soil?Quote by Raine:Quote by Grumpymann:
Sick, sick, sick ....
Oh yeah hello folks.
I read around the innertubes that this happened after a certain DVD made it's appearance in Ohio. This one.
F*ckers.
I said that last night when Bobber posted the article to das blog.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:49:07
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:49:07
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:52:27
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:52:27
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 13:54:25
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 13:54:25
BTW, morning everybody!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 13:58:25
Powerful stuff from the DNC.
Raine on 09/29/2008 13:58:25
Powerful stuff from the DNC.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:59:45
TriSec on 09/29/2008 13:59:45
Ah, greetings Herr Mondo!
Say, quick question....suppose you and I were heads of our nuclear-armed states. We obviously disagree over whether Florida or Massachusetts is superior.
Let's say that a neutral delegation (maybe in Atlanta) offers to host some diplomatic talks.
Would you be more inclined to sit down and talk with no pre-conditions, or if I insisted that you acknowledge that Massachusetts is the most important state in the union first?
Say, quick question....suppose you and I were heads of our nuclear-armed states. We obviously disagree over whether Florida or Massachusetts is superior.
Let's say that a neutral delegation (maybe in Atlanta) offers to host some diplomatic talks.
Would you be more inclined to sit down and talk with no pre-conditions, or if I insisted that you acknowledge that Massachusetts is the most important state in the union first?
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:00:02
livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:00:02
Good morning everyone.
So I guess if it's a domestic attack by possibly right-wing thugs it's not terrorism. It was noted that in the waning days of the Wiemar Republic that attacks by the Nazis and other right-wing thugs were treated less harshly than if a similar offense by someone who was on the left which meant Liberals, Socialists, and Communists received harsher sentences.
So I guess if it's a domestic attack by possibly right-wing thugs it's not terrorism. It was noted that in the waning days of the Wiemar Republic that attacks by the Nazis and other right-wing thugs were treated less harshly than if a similar offense by someone who was on the left which meant Liberals, Socialists, and Communists received harsher sentences.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 14:01:04
Good Morning Dahlink!
Raine on 09/29/2008 14:01:04
Quote by Mondobubba:
BTW, morning everybody!
Good Morning Dahlink!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 14:03:12
Personally, I think Virginia is FAR better at being Neutral... 
Raine on 09/29/2008 14:03:12
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, greetings Herr Mondo!
Say, quick question....suppose you and I were heads of our nuclear-armed states. We obviously disagree over whether Florida or Massachusetts is superior.
Let's say that a neutral delegation (maybe in Atlanta) offers to host some diplomatic talks.
Would you be more inclined to sit down and talk with no pre-conditions, or if I insisted that you acknowledge that Massachusetts is the most important state in the union first?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 14:03:32
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 14:03:32
Hey Mondo :)
Comment by BobR on 09/29/2008 14:06:47
BobR on 09/29/2008 14:06:47
Comment by m-hadley on 09/29/2008 14:07:58
Heya Mondo, TriSec, Livin, Raine, BobR. Mala, and any other 4Fers that I may have unintentially neglected,
I smell another post on Gamblin' Grampy and his casino cronies :P
Love the ad. My advice to Obama after watching the McShame post-debate ad is that Obama should begin every sentence with "John, you are wrong about that, because..."
I hate how they have turned Obama's natural graciousness into a (false) positive for McCain.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 09/29/2008 14:07:58
Quote by Raine:
Powerful stuff from the DNC.
Heya Mondo, TriSec, Livin, Raine, BobR. Mala, and any other 4Fers that I may have unintentially neglected,
I smell another post on Gamblin' Grampy and his casino cronies :P
Love the ad. My advice to Obama after watching the McShame post-debate ad is that Obama should begin every sentence with "John, you are wrong about that, because..."
I hate how they have turned Obama's natural graciousness into a (false) positive for McCain.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 14:08:15
Do you mind if I connect that dot?
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 14:08:15
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
So I guess if it's a domestic attack by possibly right-wing thugs it's not terrorism. It was noted that in the waning days of the Wiemar Republic that attacks by the Nazis and other right-wing thugs were treated less harshly than if a similar offense by someone who was on the left which meant Liberals, Socialists, and Communists received harsher sentences.
Do you mind if I connect that dot?
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 14:11:53
Having thought about this article a little more. Keeping in mind that this is the WSJ, not *page 6*... I think that this is the beginning of McCain/Palin to get her to resign for *Family Issues*
Raine on 09/29/2008 14:11:53
Having thought about this article a little more. Keeping in mind that this is the WSJ, not *page 6*... I think that this is the beginning of McCain/Palin to get her to resign for *Family Issues*
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:13:27
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:13:27
The bill DOES include deregulation - see Section 128 - that moves the effective date of the "Financial Services Regulatory Relief Act of 2006" up from 2011 to October 1, 2008...
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:15:41
Go right ahead.
livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:15:41
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
So I guess if it's a domestic attack by possibly right-wing thugs it's not terrorism. It was noted that in the waning days of the Wiemar Republic that attacks by the Nazis and other right-wing thugs were treated less harshly than if a similar offense by someone who was on the left which meant Liberals, Socialists, and Communists received harsher sentences.
Do you mind if I connect that dot?
Go right ahead.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:15:41
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:15:41
Also Section 132 that gives Paulson the authority to waive the Mark-To-Market regulations put in place right after the Enron collapse
Comment by m-hadley on 09/29/2008 14:16:29
Shane-O,
Congratulations for actually plowing through the entire BIll. It served as a very effective sleep aid for me last night - I was only a few pages into the thing before unconsciousness overcame me :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 09/29/2008 14:16:29
Quote by Shane-O:
The bill DOES include deregulation - see Section 128 - that moves the effective date of the "Financial Services Regulatory Relief Act of 2006" up from 2011 to October 1, 2008...
Shane-O,
Congratulations for actually plowing through the entire BIll. It served as a very effective sleep aid for me last night - I was only a few pages into the thing before unconsciousness overcame me :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 14:16:40
Tri is anything, I would argue the superiority of Maryland over Massachusetts. Since I hold Florida in some disdain. Have you not been paying attention.
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 14:16:40
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, greetings Herr Mondo!
Say, quick question....suppose you and I were heads of our nuclear-armed states. We obviously disagree over whether Florida or Massachusetts is superior.
Let's say that a neutral delegation (maybe in Atlanta) offers to host some diplomatic talks.
Would you be more inclined to sit down and talk with no pre-conditions, or if I insisted that you acknowledge that Massachusetts is the most important state in the union first?
Tri is anything, I would argue the superiority of Maryland over Massachusetts. Since I hold Florida in some disdain. Have you not been paying attention.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:18:39
TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:18:39
:thud:
That was a real rant? I thought it was Jim!!!!
That was a real rant? I thought it was Jim!!!!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 14:20:06
velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 14:20:06
Morning all. Tina Fey rules as Palin. She is awesome. And yesterday we learned that she was very much against playing her, because she's a writer, not an impressionist. She had to be convinced by Loren to do it!! And she has done it soooo well, I actually will be looking at Palin at some campaign stops (if she ever makes them) to make sure its not Tina!
SHANE-O!!
I heard your bit in the car. WOW!! I loved it!!
SHANE-O!!
I heard your bit in the car. WOW!! I loved it!!
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:20:45
That's exactly what they hope people will do -- the crap is either buried in a long bill, or scattered in the end in a short bill (like this one - only 106 pages)
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:20:45
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Shane-O:
The bill DOES include deregulation - see Section 128 - that moves the effective date of the "Financial Services Regulatory Relief Act of 2006" up from 2011 to October 1, 2008...
Shane-O,
Congratulations for actually plowing through the entire BIll. It served as a very effective sleep aid for me last night - I was only a few pages into the thing before unconsciousness overcame me :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
That's exactly what they hope people will do -- the crap is either buried in a long bill, or scattered in the end in a short bill (like this one - only 106 pages)
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:20:45
See? That's why we can't set pre-conditions for simply sitting at a negotiating table...
I'd be willing to yield some points on Maryland.
TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:20:45
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri is anything, I would argue the superiority of Maryland over Massachusetts. Since I hold Florida in some disdain. Have you not been paying attention.
See? That's why we can't set pre-conditions for simply sitting at a negotiating table...
I'd be willing to yield some points on Maryland.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:24:41
10,818.80 -324.33 / -2.91%
TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:24:41
10,818.80 -324.33 / -2.91%
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 14:26:11
Raine on 09/29/2008 14:26:11
Shane, I do not have the patience to read thru the thing (you sir a blessed person to be able to do so)
It was my understanding that this was all set upon the conditions that it would be reviewed every 50 billion dollars spent?
It was my understanding that this was all set upon the conditions that it would be reviewed every 50 billion dollars spent?
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:27:26
So it still gives Bush everything he wants and screws the people. It's just longer so that people won't read it and hope it can be slipped through before the election and stick the next president with the mess.
livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:27:26
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Shane-O:
The bill DOES include deregulation - see Section 128 - that moves the effective date of the "Financial Services Regulatory Relief Act of 2006" up from 2011 to October 1, 2008...
Shane-O,
Congratulations for actually plowing through the entire BIll. It served as a very effective sleep aid for me last night - I was only a few pages into the thing before unconsciousness overcame me :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
That's exactly what they hope people will do -- the crap is either buried in a long bill, or scattered in the end in a short bill (like this one - only 106 pages)
So it still gives Bush everything he wants and screws the people. It's just longer so that people won't read it and hope it can be slipped through before the election and stick the next president with the mess.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:29:08
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:29:08
Also - don't believe the "oversight" BS.
The "Finanical Stability Oversight Board" consists of ONLY people appointed by the President - Fed Chairman, Treasury Sec, HUD Secretary, FHFA Director, and the SEC Chair. AND their recourse if they don't like what's going on (as directed by one of the members - the Treasury Sec.) - refer it to the Attorney General.
The Congressional oversight committee - can ONLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS - and can be required to keep all info and hearings secret.
The "Finanical Stability Oversight Board" consists of ONLY people appointed by the President - Fed Chairman, Treasury Sec, HUD Secretary, FHFA Director, and the SEC Chair. AND their recourse if they don't like what's going on (as directed by one of the members - the Treasury Sec.) - refer it to the Attorney General.
The Congressional oversight committee - can ONLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS - and can be required to keep all info and hearings secret.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 14:31:16
Crap.
Fu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kity
Raine on 09/29/2008 14:31:16
Quote by Shane-O:
Also - don't believe the "oversight" BS.
The "Finanical Stability Oversight Board" consists of ONLY people appointed by the President - Fed Chairman, Treasury Sec, HUD Secretary, FHFA Director, and the SEC Chair. AND their recourse if they don't like what's going on (as directed by one of the members - the Treasury Sec.) - refer it to the Attorney General.
The Congressional oversight committee - can ONLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS - and can be required to keep all info and hearings secret.
Fu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kityFu*kity
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 14:31:56
Raine on 09/29/2008 14:31:56
WTF! Cadbury Chocolates has melamine now?!?!?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 14:32:21
We can sit down in Atlanta. What shape table? Round, square? Trapazoid?
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 14:32:21
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri is anything, I would argue the superiority of Maryland over Massachusetts. Since I hold Florida in some disdain. Have you not been paying attention.
See? That's why we can't set pre-conditions for simply sitting at a negotiating table...
I'd be willing to yield some points on Maryland.
We can sit down in Atlanta. What shape table? Round, square? Trapazoid?
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:33:29
That's EXACTLY the issue - they can "review" it all they want -- they CANT STOP IT.
And the first $350 Billion vs. the second $350 Billion -- Congress doesn't need to APPROVE IT -- they MUST disapporove it -- and it is subject to Presidential Veto - therefore, the only way that the Executive Branch doesn't get the full $700 Billion, is if the Congress has a super-majority vote (2/3rds) AGANIST - and on an expedited basis.
Liv - the 3 page plan essentially has been written, using mushy words to give those voting for it, political cover. And be assured, the Republicans in close races, will vote against it - so they can go back home and campaign on it.
Makes me sick.
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:33:29
Quote by Raine:
Shane, I do not have the patience to read thru the thing (you sir a blessed person to be able to do so)
It was my understanding that this was all set upon the conditions that it would be reviewed every 50 billion dollars spent?
That's EXACTLY the issue - they can "review" it all they want -- they CANT STOP IT.
And the first $350 Billion vs. the second $350 Billion -- Congress doesn't need to APPROVE IT -- they MUST disapporove it -- and it is subject to Presidential Veto - therefore, the only way that the Executive Branch doesn't get the full $700 Billion, is if the Congress has a super-majority vote (2/3rds) AGANIST - and on an expedited basis.
Liv - the 3 page plan essentially has been written, using mushy words to give those voting for it, political cover. And be assured, the Republicans in close races, will vote against it - so they can go back home and campaign on it.
Makes me sick.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 14:35:21
Chinese made. I don't think they ship that overseas.
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 14:35:21
Quote by Raine:
WTF! Cadbury Chocolates has melamine now?!?!?
Chinese made. I don't think they ship that overseas.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 14:40:40
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 14:40:40
OMG! A Chris Cackle ending in a Chris Heeheeheeheehee. I think that is a first. :rofl:
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:42:56
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:42:56
More -- the ban on "golden paracutes" only applies to the top FIVE executives at a financial institution. The ban on writing off executive bonuses - only applies to the top THREE.
The definition of "financial institution" -- litterally is ANY "institution" other than one OWNED by a foreign government. See Section 3(5) - parse it for yourself:
(emphasis added)
The definition of "financial institution" -- litterally is ANY "institution" other than one OWNED by a foreign government. See Section 3(5) - parse it for yourself:
(5) FINANCIAL INSTITUTION.—The term ‘‘financial institution’’ means any institution, including, but not limited to, any bank, savings association, credit union, security broker or dealer, or insurance company, established and regulated under the laws of the United States or any State, territory, or pos- session of the United States, the District of Columbia, Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands, Guam, American Samoa, or the United States Virgin Islands, and having significant operations in the United States, but excluding any central bank of, or institution owned by, a foreign government.
(emphasis added)
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 14:49:52
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 14:49:52
I heard on Morning JOe on Sat that Barbie was at a debate party in Philly on Friday night
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:50:21
TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:50:21
From 4F to Momma....Happy Birthday 2 U !!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 14:51:00
Raine on 09/29/2008 14:51:00
John McCAin does NOT look well. Seriously. he looks REALLY awful especially in the past few weeks.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:52:08
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 14:52:08
Well - I'm boring you all "in the weeds" -- but please also know that the "insurance" section is completely optional - and the recoupment at the end of year five - more BS:
So - the legislation will not necessarily become law - and, the recoupment is not necessarily linked to the companies taking part in the bail out -- if they even exist in five years.
SEC. 134. RECOUPMENT.
Upon the expiration of the 5-year period beginning upon the date of the enactment of this Act, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, in consultation with the Director of the Congressional Budget Office, shall submit a report to the Congress on the net amount within the Troubled Asset Relief Program under this Act. In any case where there is a shortfall, the President shall submit a legislative proposal that recoups from the financial industry an amount equal to the shortfall in order to ensure that the Troubled Asset Relief Program does not add to the deficit or national debt.
So - the legislation will not necessarily become law - and, the recoupment is not necessarily linked to the companies taking part in the bail out -- if they even exist in five years.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 14:53:16
Raine on 09/29/2008 14:53:16
PLEASE watch the first youtubery in the blog post today! IT isn't what you think it is. ;)
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:54:55
I posted this on Friday...
TriSec on 09/29/2008 14:54:55
Quote by Raine:
John McCAin does NOT look well. Seriously. he looks REALLY awful especially in the past few weeks.
I posted this on Friday...
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 14:55:21
You are not boring me at all. This is the lords work Shane.
I am just a bit agog at it all.
Raine on 09/29/2008 14:55:21
Quote by Shane-O:
Well - I'm boring you all "in the weeds" -- but please also know that the "insurance" section is completely optional - and the recoupment at the end of year five - more BS:SEC. 134. RECOUPMENT.
Upon the expiration of the 5-year period beginning upon the date of the enactment of this Act, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, in consultation with the Director of the Congressional Budget Office, shall submit a report to the Congress on the net amount within the Troubled Asset Relief Program under this Act. In any case where there is a shortfall, the President shall submit a legislative proposal that recoups from the financial industry an amount equal to the shortfall in order to ensure that the Troubled Asset Relief Program does not add to the deficit or national debt.
So - the legislation will not necessarily become law - and, the recoupment is not necessarily linked to the companies taking part in the bail out -- if they even exist in five years.
I am just a bit agog at it all.
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:55:31
livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:55:31
Me Likee the floating Putin head.
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:56:55
Thom Hartmann mentioned it on Thursday's show.
livingonli on 09/29/2008 14:56:55
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
John McCAin does NOT look well. Seriously. he looks REALLY awful especially in the past few weeks.
I posted this on Friday...
Thom Hartmann mentioned it on Thursday's show.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 15:03:08
That is stunning.
Raine on 09/29/2008 15:03:08
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
John McCAin does NOT look well. Seriously. he looks REALLY awful especially in the past few weeks.
I posted this on Friday...
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 15:14:40
livingonli on 09/29/2008 15:14:40
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:17:33
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:17:33
Bantha dookie?
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/29/2008 15:18:30
Scoopster on 09/29/2008 15:18:30
Morning all, from the remains of the biggest little! That's right - with the copious amount of rain we had this weekend there isn't much left of the Ocean State but a strip of land from Foster-Gloucester to Woonsocket! Of course, if you ask me we'd be better off without Woonie.. strange people up there. :lol:
Sounds a bit like P.J. O'Rourke...
Quote by TriSec:
You know, he might have been a right-wing tool, but he was jovial and upbeat about it.
That's actually refreshing.
Sounds a bit like P.J. O'Rourke...
Comment by BobR on 09/29/2008 15:19:28
In case you missed it earlier Shane-O...
BobR on 09/29/2008 15:19:28
Quote by BobR:
How Sweden handled it's financial meltdown...
lessons to be learned here.
In case you missed it earlier Shane-O...
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 15:20:14
TriSec on 09/29/2008 15:20:14
Comment by Scoopster on 09/29/2008 15:24:00
Oh my.. I hear the stench from that stuff could rot the fur off a rancor..
Scoopster on 09/29/2008 15:24:00
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bantha dookie?
Oh my.. I hear the stench from that stuff could rot the fur off a rancor..
Comment by Scoopster on 09/29/2008 15:24:53
(Keeping with the Star Wars theme) Chewie! Take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive!
Scoopster on 09/29/2008 15:24:53
Quote by TriSec:
(Keeping with the Star Wars theme) Chewie! Take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive!
Comment by BobR on 09/29/2008 15:28:32
okay - get ready to pop the clutch!
BobR on 09/29/2008 15:28:32
Quote by TriSec:
okay - get ready to pop the clutch!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 15:29:35
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 15:29:35
capt shout out!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:32:50
You are in my head again, Dhalink! No, don't go in there! Nooooooo!
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:32:50
Quote by Raine:
The Palin Quote Generator.
OMg... Perfect!
You are in my head again, Dhalink! No, don't go in there! Nooooooo!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 15:35:10
Raine on 09/29/2008 15:35:10
MGM with the Lillian Gisch Ref! :clap:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:35:27
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:35:27
MGM!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 15:36:16
Raine on 09/29/2008 15:36:16
:rofl: Kevin is rappin it old skool!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:37:10
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:37:10
:sigh: Kevin. :puke:
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 15:37:31
TriSec on 09/29/2008 15:37:31
:kickcan:
I take off my headset for one minute to pick up a document....
Can anyone use their influence to get MGM over here?
I take off my headset for one minute to pick up a document....
Can anyone use their influence to get MGM over here?
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 15:42:36
TriSec on 09/29/2008 15:42:36
Hmmm.....we're all on facebook, right? How about we all message him at the same time?
Say tonight at 9:00 EDT?
Say tonight at 9:00 EDT?
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 15:42:38
Raine on 09/29/2008 15:42:38
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:50:38
I've tried. Tried and tried. :sigh:
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:50:38
Quote by TriSec:
:kickcan:
I take off my headset for one minute to pick up a document....
Can anyone use their influence to get MGM over here?
I've tried. Tried and tried. :sigh:
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 15:53:50
Raine on 09/29/2008 15:53:50
I love this drop Shane!
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 15:53:51
velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 15:53:51
I've been busy paying bills and figuring out my life (such as it is). But thank you Shane-O for posting that info about the bailout. I plan on going back to re-read what you've posted.
BTB. My teenage boss changed my schedule and I'm f*cking working on Thursday NIGHT!!
And I already had the pizza planned!!! GAH! Teenagers!! :boom:
BTB. My teenage boss changed my schedule and I'm f*cking working on Thursday NIGHT!!
And I already had the pizza planned!!! GAH! Teenagers!! :boom:
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 15:54:29
velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 15:54:29
:spew:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:56:45
Buy him some Keystone and he will fix it!
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 15:56:45
Quote by velveeta jones:
I've been busy paying bills and figuring out my life (such as it is). But thank you Shane-O for posting that info about the bailout. I plan on going back to re-read what you've posted.
BTB. My teenage boss changed my schedule and I'm f*cking working on Thursday NIGHT!!
And I already had the pizza planned!!! GAH! Teenagers!! :boom:
Buy him some Keystone and he will fix it!
Comment by m-hadley on 09/29/2008 16:00:02
If he is indeed a teenager, then he can't vote anyway (unless he is 18 - 19 :P) - so declare it a national emergency and don't show up. I'll back you up
Alternatively, Mondo's plan should work - although I'd make it Busch - sounds like the kid is a junior GOPer !
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 09/29/2008 16:00:02
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by velveeta jones:
I've been busy paying bills and figuring out my life (such as it is). But thank you Shane-O for posting that info about the bailout. I plan on going back to re-read what you've posted.
BTB. My teenage boss changed my schedule and I'm f*cking working on Thursday NIGHT!!
And I already had the pizza planned!!! GAH! Teenagers!! :boom:
Buy him some Keystone and he will fix it!
If he is indeed a teenager, then he can't vote anyway (unless he is 18 - 19 :P) - so declare it a national emergency and don't show up. I'll back you up
Alternatively, Mondo's plan should work - although I'd make it Busch - sounds like the kid is a junior GOPer !Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 16:00:44
Raine on 09/29/2008 16:00:44
Aww Velveeta, that bites.
No way to get outta work?
No way to get outta work?
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 16:01:30
Is it going to be this week?
Tht would mean.... Palin can't be at the debate.....
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 16:01:30
Quote by Raine:
HAH!
In this crazy politcal season, I could see this happen.
Is it going to be this week?
Tht would mean.... Palin can't be at the debate.....
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 16:01:38
Raine on 09/29/2008 16:01:38
You know, I am wondering if this bailout is going to pass.
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 16:02:57
velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 16:02:57
My teenage boss is a female, and actually technically not a teenager. :P
And I have no idea what Keystone is. Beer? Sorry, I was a low brow drinker. :lol:
And I have no idea what Keystone is. Beer? Sorry, I was a low brow drinker. :lol:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 16:02:57
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 16:02:57
With his warnings two years ago about building new relationships trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about.
It's very important when you consider even a multi-faceted solution is the undo influence of lobbyists in public policy decisions being made.
At the same time, the track record to help shore up our economy.
The quote generator is very crack-like!
It's very important when you consider even a multi-faceted solution is the undo influence of lobbyists in public policy decisions being made.
At the same time, the track record to help shore up our economy.
The quote generator is very crack-like!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 16:03:19
IT depends on what the age of Marriage consent is inAlaska. Bristol doesn't turn 18 till October.
But I COULD see this being the family emergency.
Raine on 09/29/2008 16:03:19
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by Raine:
HAH!
In this crazy politcal season, I could see this happen.
Is it going to be this week?
Tht would mean.... Palin can't be at the debate.....
But I COULD see this being the family emergency.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 16:05:09
I do believe the lowest of the low brow beers is Keystone (with the possible exception of IceHouse)
Raine on 09/29/2008 16:05:09
Quote by velveeta jones:
My teenage boss is a female, and actually technically not a teenager. :P
And I have no idea what Keystone is. Beer? Sorry, I was a low brow drinker. :lol:
I do believe the lowest of the low brow beers is Keystone (with the possible exception of IceHouse)
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 16:09:22
Well, then, I am SURE I must've drank it. Just don't remember!
velveeta jones on 09/29/2008 16:09:22
Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones:
My teenage boss is a female, and actually technically not a teenager. :P
And I have no idea what Keystone is. Beer? Sorry, I was a low brow drinker. :lol:
Well, then, I am SURE I must've drank it. Just don't remember!
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 16:10:39
TriSec on 09/29/2008 16:10:39
Airline "on-time" update:
I had a co-worker scheduled to fly to Dallas this morning. The plane was supposed to depart at 10:24.
It's still sitting on the ground. The revised flight schedule listed 12:04, but still nothing.
It's AA2355...aboard an MD-83(the ones that were grounded earlier this year) and according to my co-worker, 'there was a problem with the airplane'.
I am somewhat concerned.
I had a co-worker scheduled to fly to Dallas this morning. The plane was supposed to depart at 10:24.
It's still sitting on the ground. The revised flight schedule listed 12:04, but still nothing.
It's AA2355...aboard an MD-83(the ones that were grounded earlier this year) and according to my co-worker, 'there was a problem with the airplane'.
I am somewhat concerned.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 16:11:05
Raine on 09/29/2008 16:11:05
There is going to be MORE from the Palin Couric interview this week...
Howie Kurtz raised some eyebrows by reporting this morning that "the worst may be yet to come for Palin; sources say CBS has two more responses on tape that will likely prove embarrassing."
A source familiar with CBS News’ plans clarified that this is part of the "Vice Presidential Questions" series with Biden and Palin. The recorded segments are scheduled to air Wednesday and Thursday before the vice presidential debate. (The series is based on the Presidential Questions series, in which Couric asks the candidates the same set of questions on wide range of topics from policy to character to leadership.)
No word on the content.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 16:18:48
Then it did it's job.
You can still get outta this... Keystone is only about 5-6 bucks a 12 pack...
Raine on 09/29/2008 16:18:48
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones:
My teenage boss is a female, and actually technically not a teenager. :P
And I have no idea what Keystone is. Beer? Sorry, I was a low brow drinker. :lol:
Well, then, I am SURE I must've drank it. Just don't remember!
You can still get outta this... Keystone is only about 5-6 bucks a 12 pack...
Comment by Scoopster on 09/29/2008 16:23:04
Natural Light!
Gennesee Ice!
Scoopster on 09/29/2008 16:23:04
Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones:
My teenage boss is a female, and actually technically not a teenager. :P
And I have no idea what Keystone is. Beer? Sorry, I was a low brow drinker. :lol:
Natural Light!
Gennesee Ice!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 16:26:54
Raine on 09/29/2008 16:26:54
Touche Scoop!
Howsaboot Milwalkee Ice??
Howsaboot Milwalkee Ice??
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 16:29:26
I've tried too without much success. mgm's letter to the show started as an exchange on our facebook walls.
My computer is slow as shit this morning so it's taking forever to respond and load.
livingonli on 09/29/2008 16:29:26
Quote by TriSec:
:kickcan:
I take off my headset for one minute to pick up a document....
Can anyone use their influence to get MGM over here?
I've tried too without much success. mgm's letter to the show started as an exchange on our facebook walls.
My computer is slow as shit this morning so it's taking forever to respond and load.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 09/29/2008 16:49:22
Will in Chicago on 09/29/2008 16:49:22
Good morning, bloggers!!
I hope that you are doing well. I am getting ready for Rosh Hashanah tonight, so I will be offline for most of tomorrow.
I thought that Obama did well in the debate, and may have decided it was best for McCain to present his true self to the public.
As for the bail out, I am extremely skeptical that it will work. It might be the best that we can get with the current Congress, but it seems inadequate on many levels. We may have to address this early next year. However, I am not sure that we won't have more financial meltdowns before a new administration is in office.
The Daily Headlines are up if you want to take a look - more stories coming shortly.
I hope that you are doing well. I am getting ready for Rosh Hashanah tonight, so I will be offline for most of tomorrow.
I thought that Obama did well in the debate, and may have decided it was best for McCain to present his true self to the public.
As for the bail out, I am extremely skeptical that it will work. It might be the best that we can get with the current Congress, but it seems inadequate on many levels. We may have to address this early next year. However, I am not sure that we won't have more financial meltdowns before a new administration is in office.
The Daily Headlines are up if you want to take a look - more stories coming shortly.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/29/2008 17:05:22
'Round my parts there's always Narragansett Beer.
Hi-there neighbor! Have a 'Gansett!
Scoopster on 09/29/2008 17:05:22
Quote by Raine:
Touche Scoop!
Howsaboot Milwalkee Ice??
'Round my parts there's always Narragansett Beer.
Hi-there neighbor! Have a 'Gansett!
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 17:15:13
TriSec on 09/29/2008 17:15:13
Hmm...I can't find a local panther-piss-producer.
Although some would argue that Sam Adams is. (heathens.)
Although some would argue that Sam Adams is. (heathens.)
Comment by Scoopster on 09/29/2008 17:19:37
Scoopster on 09/29/2008 17:19:37
There's a Budweiser brewery near Manchester NH.. I think that qualifies Tri.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 17:29:26
TriSec on 09/29/2008 17:29:26
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 17:49:58
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 17:49:58
Market is tanking
Comment by BobR on 09/29/2008 17:56:29
huh???
Sam Adams is the best LARGE brewery in America. Their Light beer beat German beers in a beer competition in Germany.
BobR on 09/29/2008 17:56:29
Quote by TriSec:
Hmm...I can't find a local panther-piss-producer.
Although some would argue that Sam Adams is. (heathens.)
huh???
Sam Adams is the best LARGE brewery in America. Their Light beer beat German beers in a beer competition in Germany.
Comment by m-hadley on 09/29/2008 17:59:28
Down 600+ points as of 1258pm (CST)
Oyyyyyyy vey.
Cheers?
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 09/29/2008 17:59:28
Quote by Grumpymann:
Market is tanking
Down 600+ points as of 1258pm (CST)
Oyyyyyyy vey.
Cheers?
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 17:59:33
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 17:59:33
It went down in the House -- (like the Immigration Bill) -- they won't gavel - hoping to twist 19 arms - the deal is dead.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 18:12:11
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 18:12:11
So - is John McCain going to "suspend" his campaign again?
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 09/29/2008 18:19:35
No, since he failed the first time, it's now Sarah's turn to save the day. Guess she won't be at the debate Thursday, she's gotta hunt down and field-dress a moose to bring to the bailout talks.
trojanrabbit on 09/29/2008 18:19:35
Quote by Shane-O:
So - is John McCain going to "suspend" his campaign again?
No, since he failed the first time, it's now Sarah's turn to save the day. Guess she won't be at the debate Thursday, she's gotta hunt down and field-dress a moose to bring to the bailout talks.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 18:20:24
Raine on 09/29/2008 18:20:24
Ok, I am asking for some healing blog vibes. She's alright, and it's non life threatening, But my Oma has been admitted to the hospital with a congestive heart.
They are putting in a catheter to remove the fluid, and she should be ok, but will be in the hospital for a few days.
My friend Michelle is a Nurse at this hospital and I am happy about that. So is Oma. She loves most people in this world, but last time she was in the hospital, she had a nurse that might have not been in the right profession. (I met her, not really good with the bedside manners, to put it lightly -- She is no longer with the hospital.)
Oma told me that she does not want to see 'that' nurse she had the last time, she said she would 'kick that nurse in the ass.'.. (Oma is normally a very proper woman, I was shocked to hear her say these things) I was SHOCKED to hear Oma speak so violently!
Anyway, I digress. Oma is doing alright, it is not heart failure, but she could use some vibes. (I hope it isn't wrong to ask for them.)
They are putting in a catheter to remove the fluid, and she should be ok, but will be in the hospital for a few days.
My friend Michelle is a Nurse at this hospital and I am happy about that. So is Oma. She loves most people in this world, but last time she was in the hospital, she had a nurse that might have not been in the right profession. (I met her, not really good with the bedside manners, to put it lightly -- She is no longer with the hospital.)
Oma told me that she does not want to see 'that' nurse she had the last time, she said she would 'kick that nurse in the ass.'..
(Oma is normally a very proper woman, I was shocked to hear her say these things) I was SHOCKED to hear Oma speak so violently! Anyway, I digress. Oma is doing alright, it is not heart failure, but she could use some vibes. (I hope it isn't wrong to ask for them.)
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/29/2008 18:23:38
trojanrabbit on 09/29/2008 18:23:38
Of course it isn't wrong, Raine. That's why we're here.
Mucho good vibes heading your and Oma's way.
Mucho good vibes heading your and Oma's way.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 18:24:33
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 18:24:33
~~~~~~~ :hug:'s and positive thoughts and prayers for Oma! ~~~~~~~~
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 18:39:48
I had a feeling...
So now what?
Raine on 09/29/2008 18:39:48
Quote by Shane-O:
It went down in the House -- (like the Immigration Bill) -- they won't gavel - hoping to twist 19 arms - the deal is dead.
So now what?
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 18:42:35
Thanks for reminding me.
This has been a wild and wooly week. Baby, debate, and Oma.
I do believe in the healing power of the vibes from everyone here on this blog tho. I do.
Raine on 09/29/2008 18:42:35
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Of course it isn't wrong, Raine. That's why we're here.
Mucho good vibes heading your and Oma's way.
Thanks for reminding me.
This has been a wild and wooly week. Baby, debate, and Oma.
I do believe in the healing power of the vibes from everyone here on this blog tho. I do.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 18:45:58
Holy CARP
Raine on 09/29/2008 18:45:58
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Grumpymann:
Market is tanking
Down 600+ points as of 1258pm (CST)
Oyyyyyyy vey.
Cheers?
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 18:46:55
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 18:46:55
I make an off hand comment about Keystone beer and it takes on a life of its own. I feel so powerful! VJ if your boss is girl, Captain Morgan spiced rum will work!
Oh, dear! Oma du Raine in the hospital? Ack! :works out a big ol' heap o healing vibes!:
Oh, dear! Oma du Raine in the hospital? Ack! :works out a big ol' heap o healing vibes!:
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 18:48:49
TriSec on 09/29/2008 18:48:49
In other breaking news, the President will be addressing the nation again this evening to blame the democrat party for "stonewalling" the vote and "hijacking the bailout for political purposes".
(Well, not really, but you can guess that he or his surrogates (McCain) are already lining up for the evening news.)
(Well, not really, but you can guess that he or his surrogates (McCain) are already lining up for the evening news.)
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 18:51:24
Raine on 09/29/2008 18:51:24
WILL!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
:hug:
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
:hug:
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 18:54:24
:worry:
Uhm is this a *BEER*down? :D
Raine on 09/29/2008 18:54:24
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
Hmm...I can't find a local panther-piss-producer.
Although some would argue that Sam Adams is. (heathens.)
huh???
Sam Adams is the best LARGE brewery in America. Their Light beer beat German beers in a beer competition in Germany.
Uhm is this a *BEER*down? :D
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 18:59:28
TriSec on 09/29/2008 18:59:28
When do the automatic market holds kick in? (Anyone remember 1987?)
We're down 573 points, or 5.14% at this hour. Still plenty more time left in the trading day.
We're down 573 points, or 5.14% at this hour. Still plenty more time left in the trading day.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/29/2008 19:00:41
Scoopster on 09/29/2008 19:00:41
Laff.. House Repubs are saying they voted against the bill because mean ol' Nancy Pelosi gave a partisan speech!
I have two words for those idiot Repubs. SHUT THE FUCK UP. No one cares what you did anyways. The bill was bad - it died because it deserved to die.
I have two words for those idiot Repubs. SHUT THE FUCK UP. No one cares what you did anyways. The bill was bad - it died because it deserved to die.
Comment by 
starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:05:52
starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:05:52
:: scans blog ::
Raine...
and for Oma. . . Lighting the candle.
Raine...
and for Oma. . . Lighting the candle.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:07:59
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:07:59
Interesting....here's the Boston Globe
No word on what influence Speaker Pelosi may have had...
Stocks plummeted on Wall Street even before the 228-205 vote to reject the bill was announced on the House floor.
Bush and a host of leading congressional figures had implored the lawmakers to pass the legislation despite howls of protest from their constituents back home. Despite pressure from supporters, not enough members were willing to take the political risk just five weeks before an election.
Ample no votes came from both the Democratic and Republican sides of the aisle. More than two-thirds of Republicans and 40 percent of Democrats opposed the bill.
No word on what influence Speaker Pelosi may have had...
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/29/2008 19:09:43
But that was different because there was a Democrat in office. Right?
Thought it's been holding about -600 for most of the day. Maybe they're trying to defeat the circuit breaker. Back in my day they called it putting a penny in the fuse box.
trojanrabbit on 09/29/2008 19:09:43
Quote by TriSec:
When do the automatic market holds kick in? (Anyone remember 1987?)
We're down 573 points, or 5.14% at this hour. Still plenty more time left in the trading day.
But that was different because there was a Democrat in office. Right?
Thought it's been holding about -600 for most of the day. Maybe they're trying to defeat the circuit breaker. Back in my day they called it putting a penny in the fuse box.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:13:33
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:13:33
Looks like I'd better take a liking to black beans & rice and cornmeal mush, the way things are going....
Every now and again, my mother will roll out an old depression-era food my grandma used to make. Who knew I'd have a need of those old recipes? (and some things from my father's side too, but I doubt mackerel is a "trash fish" anymore.)
Every now and again, my mother will roll out an old depression-era food my grandma used to make. Who knew I'd have a need of those old recipes? (and some things from my father's side too, but I doubt mackerel is a "trash fish" anymore.)
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/29/2008 19:17:29
Will in Chicago on 09/29/2008 19:17:29
Raine, I am keeping you and your Oma in my thoughts and prayers.
Hang in there.
As for the bailout, I think it is time to go back to the boards. We need something far better than the Paulson plan. It is time that we ask our best economic minds to help craft a long term solution that helps Main Street, stabilizes Wall Street, and will make a difference.
Hang in there.
As for the bailout, I think it is time to go back to the boards. We need something far better than the Paulson plan. It is time that we ask our best economic minds to help craft a long term solution that helps Main Street, stabilizes Wall Street, and will make a difference.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:17:48
seriously? what time? he's going to screw up my Heroes with his meddling isn't he.
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:17:48
Quote by TriSec:
In other breaking news, the President will be addressing the nation again this evening to blame the democrat party for "stonewalling" the vote and "hijacking the bailout for political purposes".
(Well, not really, but you can guess that he or his surrogates (McCain) are already lining up for the evening news.)
seriously? what time? he's going to screw up my Heroes with his meddling isn't he.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:18:09
620 right now.
No wait... 622... Good grief.
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:18:09
Quote by TriSec:
When do the automatic market holds kick in? (Anyone remember 1987?)
We're down 573 points, or 5.14% at this hour. Still plenty more time left in the trading day.
No wait... 622... Good grief.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:20:46
You know, you have a point there Tri.
Hey... wait a minute... when was MAckeral EVER a trash Fish? We used to fish for it to eat...
Oh, wait. Damn. Now I am left wondering if the family dog really went off to live on a farm in the country.
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:20:46
Quote by TriSec:
Looks like I'd better take a liking to black beans & rice and cornmeal mush, the way things are going....
Every now and again, my mother will roll out an old depression-era food my grandma used to make. Who knew I'd have a need of those old recipes? (and some things from my father's side too, but I doubt mackerel is a "trash fish" anymore.)
Hey... wait a minute... when was MAckeral EVER a trash Fish? We used to fish for it to eat...
Oh, wait. Damn. Now I am left wondering if the family dog really went off to live on a farm in the country.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 19:21:02
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 19:21:02
It is pretty clear that the GOP in their greedy, evil, petty hearts would rather see a general meltdown of credit and finance just for a partisan wedge issue. See I voted for against this thing!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:21:41
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:21:41
Watching the Dems talk on TV. (mute button on)
Lots of VERY long faces.
Lots of VERY long faces.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:23:35
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:23:35
but the question I have to ask was - Is this bill any good? What is it really going to do to help people, not financial institutions.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:23:36
650.
:thud:
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:23:36
650.
:thud:
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/29/2008 19:25:43
According to mah precise calculations it would need to be about a 2500 point drop to rival Black Monday.
trojanrabbit on 09/29/2008 19:25:43
Quote by Raine:620 right now.Quote by TriSec:
When do the automatic market holds kick in? (Anyone remember 1987?)
We're down 573 points, or 5.14% at this hour. Still plenty more time left in the trading day.
No wait... 622... Good grief.
According to mah precise calculations it would need to be about a 2500 point drop to rival Black Monday.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:25:50
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:25:50
IT went from 650 to 670 in under a minute.
This is stuning... crazy crazy stunning.
What IS the auto shut down point?
675 right now.
This is stuning... crazy crazy stunning.
What IS the auto shut down point?
675 right now.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:26:08
I know, I used to fish for the stuff, too. I imagine it couldn't have been too expensive in the 30s. (It's a recipe from the Filipino side; Papa TriSec was but a wee babe during the hardest years of the depression.)
See, and that discussion about guns the other day, who knew I'd actually need one to hunt for food?
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:26:08
Quote by Raine:
You know, you have a point there Tri.
Hey... wait a minute... when was MAckeral EVER a trash Fish? We used to fish for it to eat...
Oh, wait. Damn. Now I am left wondering if the family dog really went off to live on a farm in the country.
I know, I used to fish for the stuff, too. I imagine it couldn't have been too expensive in the 30s. (It's a recipe from the Filipino side; Papa TriSec was but a wee babe during the hardest years of the depression.)
See, and that discussion about guns the other day, who knew I'd actually need one to hunt for food?
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:26:42
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:26:42
686. 693....
And we broke 700.
And we broke 700.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:29:31
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:29:31
I'm afraid I'm becoming physically ill watching the markets...
In 1987 it was interesting, to be sure, but I was 21 at the time..without a wife, child, or a household to maintain...
In 1987 it was interesting, to be sure, but I was 21 at the time..without a wife, child, or a household to maintain...
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:30:41
This is where I have been all day. I saw what Shane wrote (Thanks Shane!!! :hug:) and I have been reading other blogs, that say the bill stinks, but it is better than nothing.
and I really am at a loss.
It seems to nothing means that people are going to lose a LOT in their retirements investments. Where is she brought it all home for me the other day whn she said she lost 1200 dollars in one day. She isn't a fancy Wall street High roller, she is one of *us*
I just don't know what side to be on.
What I do know is that the market is tanking.
5% isn't what it used to be.
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:30:41
Quote by wickedpam:
but the question I have to ask was - Is this bill any good? What is it really going to do to help people, not financial institutions.
and I really am at a loss.
It seems to nothing means that people are going to lose a LOT in their retirements investments. Where is
she brought it all home for me the other day whn she said she lost 1200 dollars in one day. She isn't a fancy Wall street High roller, she is one of *us*I just don't know what side to be on.
What I do know is that the market is tanking.
5% isn't what it used to be.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:31:07
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:31:07
Didn't THom say that the only stocks that were going down were they financial ones? I mean I know I'm naive and have no clue how alot of this stock market stuff works but other stocks are fine.
Comment by starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:33:03
starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:33:03
I think I might be in denial.
The TV is turned off. Thom Hartmann is turned off.
And, I am sitting listening to Joni Mitchell.
The TV is turned off. Thom Hartmann is turned off.
And, I am sitting listening to Joni Mitchell.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:33:49
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:33:49
Hmm....we're a tech stock. (ticker: ATHN) and we're only down .94 today...
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:35:27
See I'm not going to panic at this point. To me is did sound like a bad bill and we as taxpayers we're going to get anything out of it. It's our money, we should benefit not these people who tanked thier companies.
Yeah I'm sure I lost money from my retirement, but then I know I'm never going to retire but that's another issue.
We have to stop paniking, we know what has to be done. We are going to be okay.
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:35:27
Quote by Raine:This is where I have been all day. I saw what Shane wrote (Thanks Shane!!! :hug:) and I have been reading other blogs, that say the bill stinks, but it is better than nothing.Quote by wickedpam:
but the question I have to ask was - Is this bill any good? What is it really going to do to help people, not financial institutions.
and I really am at a loss.
It seems to nothing means that people are going to lose a LOT in their retirements investments. Where is
I just don't know what side to be on.
What I do know is that the market is tanking.
5% isn't what it used to be.
See I'm not going to panic at this point. To me is did sound like a bad bill and we as taxpayers we're going to get anything out of it. It's our money, we should benefit not these people who tanked thier companies.
Yeah I'm sure I lost money from my retirement, but then I know I'm never going to retire but that's another issue.
We have to stop paniking, we know what has to be done. We are going to be okay.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:35:39
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:35:39
I'm with Star.
: switches off ticker, puts on Ellington :
: switches off ticker, puts on Ellington :
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:36:24
see, I'm sure it's like that for a lot of company's
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:36:24
Quote by TriSec:
Hmm....we're a tech stock. (ticker: ATHN) and we're only down .94 today...
see, I'm sure it's like that for a lot of company's
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 19:36:52
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 19:36:52
I would like to know that everyone I know (and my friends on board and blog). took the time to "Check themselves" before they wreck us all.
Check to make sure your voter remonstration is right.
Check to make sure your voter remonstration is right.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:37:22
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:37:22
Wells Fargo is only down 2.01
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:38:09
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:38:09
I'd feel better if I could say that today guaranteed us a President Obama, but you and I both know that the majority of the electorate is TOO FUCKING STUPID to realize it.
(and there is no font big enough to convey my true feelings...)
(and there is no font big enough to convey my true feelings...)
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:38:21
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:38:21
Maybe Denial is a good thing.
I have a headache. Between Oma and the other shite... *sigh*
I have a headache. Between Oma and the other shite... *sigh*
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:39:27
Not sure that's all it's cracked up to be. I checked myself earlier today; said I wasn't registered. But I just voted in our primary on Sept. 16 without the slightest problem.
Watch for me to get arrested for making a scene on election day, if that website is correct.
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:39:27
Quote by Grumpymann:
I would like to know that everyone I know (and my friends on board and blog). took the time to "Check themselves" before they wreck us all.
Check to make sure your voter remonstration is right.
Not sure that's all it's cracked up to be. I checked myself earlier today; said I wasn't registered. But I just voted in our primary on Sept. 16 without the slightest problem.
Watch for me to get arrested for making a scene on election day, if that website is correct.
Comment by starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:40:15
I'm here.
I'm hiding I think; overwhelmed by it all.
I went to see Paula Cole on Saturday and she thanked the audience for coming and talked about how we are all connected and how happy it made her that people still come together for a few hours in the spirit of music. And, on one hand I had a newfound respect for her, that she believes in the interconnectedness of one human being to another. However, I also found myself profoundly saddened by the fact that our problems have become so huge that being connected and coming together doesn't even make a dent. I used to believe that music, and art and people's commonality could solve some things. I used to believe that most problems could be solved over a nice cup of tea. I have been utterly naive. I feel so disheartened and have retreated into my shell. And, I don't just refer to the economy. Our world has become so sad all around. It seems no one has faith in each other anymore. So many have become criminally selfish that they fail to see the humanity in another person. The "Namaste;" my being welcomes and respects your being, doesn't seem to exist.
I am still here every day, lurking. And, Raine there is a candle burning for your Oma as I type this.
That $1200 loss in one day put it into perspective for me. I don't have a lot, but what I have I will need later in life. I live simply and do my best, as we all do here. It's just not enough anymore. And, I don't know what it's going to take. I am starting to wonder if Obama will be able to make a difference. Let's face it, he isn't a true progressive.
Sorry to bum everyone out, as if you weren't already.
starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:40:15
Quote by Raine:This is where I have been all day. I saw what Shane wrote (Thanks Shane!!! :hug:) and I have been reading other blogs, that say the bill stinks, but it is better than nothing.Quote by wickedpam:
but the question I have to ask was - Is this bill any good? What is it really going to do to help people, not financial institutions.
and I really am at a loss.
It seems to nothing means that people are going to lose a LOT in their retirements investments. Where is
I just don't know what side to be on.
What I do know is that the market is tanking.
5% isn't what it used to be.
I'm here.
I'm hiding I think; overwhelmed by it all.
I went to see Paula Cole on Saturday and she thanked the audience for coming and talked about how we are all connected and how happy it made her that people still come together for a few hours in the spirit of music. And, on one hand I had a newfound respect for her, that she believes in the interconnectedness of one human being to another. However, I also found myself profoundly saddened by the fact that our problems have become so huge that being connected and coming together doesn't even make a dent. I used to believe that music, and art and people's commonality could solve some things. I used to believe that most problems could be solved over a nice cup of tea. I have been utterly naive. I feel so disheartened and have retreated into my shell. And, I don't just refer to the economy. Our world has become so sad all around. It seems no one has faith in each other anymore. So many have become criminally selfish that they fail to see the humanity in another person. The "Namaste;" my being welcomes and respects your being, doesn't seem to exist.
I am still here every day, lurking. And, Raine there is a candle burning for your Oma as I type this.
That $1200 loss in one day put it into perspective for me. I don't have a lot, but what I have I will need later in life. I live simply and do my best, as we all do here. It's just not enough anymore. And, I don't know what it's going to take. I am starting to wonder if Obama will be able to make a difference. Let's face it, he isn't a true progressive.
Sorry to bum everyone out, as if you weren't already.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:42:07
Just checked, I am good to go.
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:42:07
Quote by Grumpymann:
I would like to know that everyone I know (and my friends on board and blog). took the time to "Check themselves" before they wreck us all.
Check to make sure your voter remonstration is right.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:43:56
came back fine for me :)
In fact in voting news - Momma Mala has registered in the state of VA to vote!
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:43:56
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Grumpymann:
I would like to know that everyone I know (and my friends on board and blog). took the time to "Check themselves" before they wreck us all.
Check to make sure your voter remonstration is right.
Not sure that's all it's cracked up to be. I checked myself earlier today; said I wasn't registered. But I just voted in our primary on Sept. 16 without the slightest problem.
Watch for me to get arrested for making a scene on election day, if that website is correct.
came back fine for me :)
In fact in voting news - Momma Mala has registered in the state of VA to vote!
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:44:19
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:44:19
Well, on the plus side, my coworker that I referenced earlier (far below) is on initial into DFW right now, and she has a fighting chance to make the connecting flight!
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:44:39
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:44:39
Oh, Starling... 
I don't think you are bumming anyone out.
I miss you sister. I hear you, I do.
I don't think you are bumming anyone out.
I miss you sister. I hear you, I do.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 19:46:48
Raine on 09/29/2008 19:46:48
LEt me make something clear... I still have faith in people. What we are watching happen today is not done by people.
They have no soul.
They have no soul.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:47:45
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:47:45
nah - don't think you could "bum" people out if you tried :hug:
Like I said we're all going to be okay, I have faith in that.
don't think you could "bum" people out if you tried :hug:Like I said we're all going to be okay, I have faith in that.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:48:21
your right it's not done by people it's done TOO people.
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:48:21
Quote by Raine:
LEt me make something clear... I still have faith in people. What we are watching happen today is not done by people.
They have no soul.
your right it's not done by people it's done TOO people.
Comment by starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:48:30
Thank you m'dear. I know we are all in the same boat here.
I am having a bit of a pity party.
One of my good friends said to me "Oh Terri...you just want to live in a Utopia where everyone gets along and there is enough free pizza to go around."
And, it made me so sad to think that someone I care about saw something wrong with that.
What is wrong with that?
What is wrong with wanting to live in generally peaceful world, where people don't go hungry? Where everyone has just enough? Will everyone always be on equal footing? No. But, shouldn't everyone have enough; a good life, happiness, kindness?
starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:48:30
Quote by Raine:
Oh, Starling...
I don't think you are bumming anyone out.
I miss you sister. I hear you, I do.
Thank you m'dear. I know we are all in the same boat here.
I am having a bit of a pity party.
One of my good friends said to me "Oh Terri...you just want to live in a Utopia where everyone gets along and there is enough free pizza to go around."
And, it made me so sad to think that someone I care about saw something wrong with that.
What is wrong with that?
What is wrong with wanting to live in generally peaceful world, where people don't go hungry? Where everyone has just enough? Will everyone always be on equal footing? No. But, shouldn't everyone have enough; a good life, happiness, kindness?
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:49:00
Curious, it won't return my info, but I just called the City Clerk's office and verified everything was OK.
TriSec on 09/29/2008 19:49:00
Quote by Raine:Just checked, I am good to go.Quote by Grumpymann:
I would like to know that everyone I know (and my friends on board and blog). took the time to "Check themselves" before they wreck us all.
Check to make sure your voter remonstration is right.
Curious, it won't return my info, but I just called the City Clerk's office and verified everything was OK.
Comment by starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:49:38
I'm glad to hear that.
And, of course, present company is always excluded.
starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:49:38
Quote by Raine:
LEt me make something clear... I still have faith in people. What we are watching happen today is not done by people.
They have no soul.
I'm glad to hear that.
And, of course, present company is always excluded.
Comment by starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:51:29
starling310 on 09/29/2008 19:51:29
"Old Man"/Neil Young
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:51:39
there's nothing wrong with it except that it's missing cake and chocolate and only veggies have hugh calories :hug:
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 19:51:39
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
Oh, Starling...
I don't think you are bumming anyone out.
I miss you sister. I hear you, I do.
Thank you m'dear. I know we are all in the same boat here.
I am having a bit of a pity party.
One of my good friends said to me "Oh Terri...you just want to live in a Utopia where everyone gets along and there is enough free pizza to go around."
And, it made me so sad to think that someone I care about saw something wrong with that.
What is wrong with that?
What is wrong with wanting to live in generally peaceful world, where people don't go hungry? Where everyone has just enough? Will everyone always be on equal footing? No. But, shouldn't everyone have enough; a good life, happiness, kindness?
there's nothing wrong with it except that it's missing cake and chocolate and only veggies have hugh calories :hug:
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 20:02:32
I have been saying this for years.
"These "people" are not human."
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 20:02:32
Quote by Raine:
LEt me make something clear... I still have faith in people. What we are watching happen today is not done by people.
They have no soul.
I have been saying this for years.
"These "people" are not human."
Comment by starling310 on 09/29/2008 20:03:35
:hug:
starling310 on 09/29/2008 20:03:35
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
Oh, Starling...
I don't think you are bumming anyone out.
I miss you sister. I hear you, I do.
Thank you m'dear. I know we are all in the same boat here.
I am having a bit of a pity party.
One of my good friends said to me "Oh Terri...you just want to live in a Utopia where everyone gets along and there is enough free pizza to go around."
And, it made me so sad to think that someone I care about saw something wrong with that.
What is wrong with that?
What is wrong with wanting to live in generally peaceful world, where people don't go hungry? Where everyone has just enough? Will everyone always be on equal footing? No. But, shouldn't everyone have enough; a good life, happiness, kindness?
there's nothing wrong with it except that it's missing cake and chocolate and only veggies have hugh calories :hug:
:hug:
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 20:04:12
The next time some "Sloped browed drooling mouth breather" says this kind of crap to you call them a traitor ask them why they hate the U.S.A. and walk away.
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 20:04:12
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
Oh, Starling...
I don't think you are bumming anyone out.
I miss you sister. I hear you, I do.
Thank you m'dear. I know we are all in the same boat here.
I am having a bit of a pity party.
One of my good friends said to me "Oh Terri...you just want to live in a Utopia where everyone gets along and there is enough free pizza to go around."
And, it made me so sad to think that someone I care about saw something wrong with that.
What is wrong with that?
What is wrong with wanting to live in generally peaceful world, where people don't go hungry? Where everyone has just enough? Will everyone always be on equal footing? No. But, shouldn't everyone have enough; a good life, happiness, kindness?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 20:07:05
it has to be birthday cake too - the kind with the big pink roses on it :D
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 20:07:05
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
Oh, Starling...
I don't think you are bumming anyone out.
I miss you sister. I hear you, I do.
Thank you m'dear. I know we are all in the same boat here.
I am having a bit of a pity party.
One of my good friends said to me "Oh Terri...you just want to live in a Utopia where everyone gets along and there is enough free pizza to go around."
And, it made me so sad to think that someone I care about saw something wrong with that.
What is wrong with that?
What is wrong with wanting to live in generally peaceful world, where people don't go hungry? Where everyone has just enough? Will everyone always be on equal footing? No. But, shouldn't everyone have enough; a good life, happiness, kindness?
there's nothing wrong with it except that it's missing cake and chocolate and only veggies have hugh calories :hug:
it has to be birthday cake too - the kind with the big pink roses on it :D
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 20:09:53
TriSec on 09/29/2008 20:09:53
Ah, the Globe story referenced below has been updated:
Republicans blamed Pelosi's scathing speech near the close of the debate -- which attacked Bush's economic policies and a "right-wing ideology of anything goes, no supervision, no discipline, no regulation" of financial markets -- for the vote's failure.
"We could have gotten there today had it not been for the partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the House," Minority Leader John Boehner said. Pelosi's words, the Ohio Republican said, "poisoned our conference, caused a number of members that we thought we could get, to go south."
Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the whip, estimated that Pelosi's speech changed the minds of a dozen Republicans who might otherwise have supported the plan.
Frank said that was a remarkable accusation by Republicans against Republicans: "Because somebody hurt their feelings, they decided to punish the country."
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 20:11:11
Fuck the rethugs feelings.
Nancy told the truth.
Grumpymann on 09/29/2008 20:11:11
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, the Globe story referenced below has been updated:
Republicans blamed Pelosi's scathing speech near the close of the debate -- which attacked Bush's economic policies and a "right-wing ideology of anything goes, no supervision, no discipline, no regulation" of financial markets -- for the vote's failure.
"We could have gotten there today had it not been for the partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the House," Minority Leader John Boehner said. Pelosi's words, the Ohio Republican said, "poisoned our conference, caused a number of members that we thought we could get, to go south."
Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the whip, estimated that Pelosi's speech changed the minds of a dozen Republicans who might otherwise have supported the plan.
Frank said that was a remarkable accusation by Republicans against Republicans: "Because somebody hurt their feelings, they decided to punish the country."
Fuck the rethugs feelings.
Nancy told the truth.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 20:13:08
10,394.92 -748.21 / -6.71%
TriSec on 09/29/2008 20:13:08
10,394.92 -748.21 / -6.71%
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:13:59
livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:13:59
Damn computer today has really cut into my blogging time.
:hug: for Raine's Oma and for Raine. :hug:
And for I know how you feel because I've been worrying a lot too during my down time.
But tonight I am going to see Shoot the Messenger with Lizz and Naomi Wolf so I should be seeing HBK tonight.
:hug: for Raine's Oma and for Raine.
:hug:And for
I know how you feel because I've been worrying a lot too during my down time. But tonight I am going to see Shoot the Messenger with Lizz and Naomi Wolf so I should be seeing HBK tonight.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 20:15:00
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 20:15:00
Sorry - I'm way behind on the thread -- had to sign out for a while.
Big time healing vibes to Oma - and Raine, it would only be "wrong" NOT to ask. Sending good thoughts and prayers (whatever one believes in) only take a bit of time, thought - and knowing that they are needed.
Also - La Shana Tova - to all those celebrating the Jewish New Year!
Big time healing vibes to Oma - and Raine, it would only be "wrong" NOT to ask. Sending good thoughts and prayers (whatever one believes in) only take a bit of time, thought - and knowing that they are needed.
Also - La Shana Tova - to all those celebrating the Jewish New Year!
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:18:30
livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:18:30
Now it's saying Dow down 777 points.
Comment by TriSec on 09/29/2008 20:18:37
TriSec on 09/29/2008 20:18:37
Oh, POOP!
With all the kerfuffle today, we missed our own birthday!
Thanks for a great year, everyone!
With all the kerfuffle today, we missed our own birthday!
Thanks for a great year, everyone!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/29/2008 20:21:09
wickedpam on 09/29/2008 20:21:09
Holy Crap! Happy B-Day to us! :hug:'s all around!
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:23:28
livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:23:28
A year already. Where does the time go?
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 20:31:52
Raine on 09/29/2008 20:31:52
F*CK the GOP. They are actually blaming a SPEECH for them not passing this bailout?
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 20:33:44
Raine on 09/29/2008 20:33:44
OMG! Happy Birthday Fourfreedomsblog!!!
you guys are truly the best.
you guys are truly the best.
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:37:26
I wouldn't even use the asterik for the GOP. Fuck them all,
livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:37:26
Quote by Raine:
F*CK the GOP. They are actually blaming a SPEECH for them not passing this bailout?
I wouldn't even use the asterik for the GOP. Fuck them all,
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 20:38:19
Raine on 09/29/2008 20:38:19
777.68
Biggest numerical drop in history in one day.
You know what? We are going to be ok. We are.
:star:, what you dream of is what I dream of, and I will live my entire life reaching for that...
Biggest numerical drop in history in one day.
You know what? We are going to be ok. We are.
:star:, what you dream of is what I dream of, and I will live my entire life reaching for that...
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:38:41
livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:38:41
Randi is saying it. That Bill is trying to torpedo the Obama bid so Hillary can run in 2012.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 20:39:06
Perhaps this might be a solution?
Of course, the government can't guarantee all stock investements - they are, by their nature a risk.
However, might $1 Trillion be better spent in insuring pensions (which under ERISA should not be at risk), deposits.
Then - if credit to small businesses and people is a problem - use that $1 Trillion to increase the SBA lending (directly) or HUD lending (directly). Must a "financial institution" be in the mix? Just as in health care - many call for a single-payer system - might it be time for the Fed to do it themselves?
And if there are "financial institutions" worth saving - when part of the $1 Trillion is used - no warrants - the Fed OWNS them (to the exent they are (not given money) bought).
Even $1 Trillion won't fix the market as a whole -- you can't fight the market.
Maybe I'm just a nutso socialist...
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 20:39:06
Quote by Raine:This is where I have been all day. I saw what Shane wrote (Thanks Shane!!! :hug:) and I have been reading other blogs, that say the bill stinks, but it is better than nothing.Quote by wickedpam:
but the question I have to ask was - Is this bill any good? What is it really going to do to help people, not financial institutions.
and I really am at a loss.
It seems to nothing means that people are going to lose a LOT in their retirements investments. Where is
I just don't know what side to be on.
What I do know is that the market is tanking.
5% isn't what it used to be.
Perhaps this might be a solution?
Of course, the government can't guarantee all stock investements - they are, by their nature a risk.
However, might $1 Trillion be better spent in insuring pensions (which under ERISA should not be at risk), deposits.
Then - if credit to small businesses and people is a problem - use that $1 Trillion to increase the SBA lending (directly) or HUD lending (directly). Must a "financial institution" be in the mix? Just as in health care - many call for a single-payer system - might it be time for the Fed to do it themselves?
And if there are "financial institutions" worth saving - when part of the $1 Trillion is used - no warrants - the Fed OWNS them (to the exent they are (not given money) bought).
Even $1 Trillion won't fix the market as a whole -- you can't fight the market.
Maybe I'm just a nutso socialist...
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 20:39:29
:peace2: :heart:
Raine on 09/29/2008 20:39:29
:peace2: :heart:
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:39:30
livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:39:30
Maybe we can all find a blog hut we can all live in together.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 20:47:18
Let me make this a littel clearer:
Love and happiness...
something that can make you do wrong, make you do right...
Love...
Love and happiness
Wait a minute...
something's going wrong
someone's on the phone
three o'clock in the morning
talkin' about how she can make it right
well,
happiness is when you really feel good with somebody
nothing wrong with being in one with someone
oh, baby, love and happiness
love and happiness...
love and happiness...
Love and happiness
You be good to me
I'll be good to you
we'll be together
we'll see each other
walk away with victory
oh baby,
love and happiness...
love and happiness...
Make you do right... love'll make you do wrong...
make you come home early...
make you stay out all night long...
the power of love...
wait a minute,
let me tell you...
the power of love...
make you do right... love'll make you do wrong...
make you want to dance...
love and happiness...
love and happiness...
love is... wait a minute... love is...
walkin' together...
talkin' together...
say it again...
say it together...
Mmmm....
Raine on 09/29/2008 20:47:18
Quote by Raine:
:peace2: :heart:
Let me make this a littel clearer:
Love and happiness...
something that can make you do wrong, make you do right...
Love...
Love and happiness
Wait a minute...
something's going wrong
someone's on the phone
three o'clock in the morning
talkin' about how she can make it right
well,
happiness is when you really feel good with somebody
nothing wrong with being in one with someone
oh, baby, love and happiness
love and happiness...
love and happiness...
Love and happiness
You be good to me
I'll be good to you
we'll be together
we'll see each other
walk away with victory
oh baby,
love and happiness...
love and happiness...
Make you do right... love'll make you do wrong...
make you come home early...
make you stay out all night long...
the power of love...
wait a minute,
let me tell you...
the power of love...
make you do right... love'll make you do wrong...
make you want to dance...
love and happiness...
love and happiness...
love is... wait a minute... love is...
walkin' together...
talkin' together...
say it again...
say it together...
Mmmm....
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 20:49:33
There you go, making sense.
Raine on 09/29/2008 20:49:33
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:This is where I have been all day. I saw what Shane wrote (Thanks Shane!!! :hug:) and I have been reading other blogs, that say the bill stinks, but it is better than nothing.Quote by wickedpam:
but the question I have to ask was - Is this bill any good? What is it really going to do to help people, not financial institutions.
and I really am at a loss.
It seems to nothing means that people are going to lose a LOT in their retirements investments. Where is
I just don't know what side to be on.
What I do know is that the market is tanking.
5% isn't what it used to be.
Perhaps this might be a solution?
Of course, the government can't guarantee all stock investements - they are, by their nature a risk.
However, might $1 Trillion be better spent in insuring pensions (which under ERISA should not be at risk), deposits.
Then - if credit to small businesses and people is a problem - use that $1 Trillion to increase the SBA lending (directly) or HUD lending (directly). Must a "financial institution" be in the mix? Just as in health care - many call for a single-payer system - might it be time for the Fed to do it themselves?
And if there are "financial institutions" worth saving - when part of the $1 Trillion is used - no warrants - the Fed OWNS them (to the exent they are (not given money) bought).
Even $1 Trillion won't fix the market as a whole -- you can't fight the market.
Maybe I'm just a nutso socialist...
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 20:51:58
Raine on 09/29/2008 20:51:58
Some guy on Fauz just said the dems created this bill so the GOP would not pass it just to make McCain look bad.
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:55:51
It's amazing how they can just make shit up.
livingonli on 09/29/2008 20:55:51
Quote by Raine:
Some guy on Fauz just said the dems created this bill so the GOP would not pass it just to make McCain look bad.
It's amazing how they can just make shit up.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 20:58:54
Raine on 09/29/2008 20:58:54
I am so grateful we cut the credit cards up last year.
Listening to Randi talking about the credit situation drying up, we are truly lucky that we have lived on cash for a while now.
Listening to Randi talking about the credit situation drying up, we are truly lucky that we have lived on cash for a while now.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 21:00:42
Raine on 09/29/2008 21:00:42
Gramps is set to talk in a few moments... do I DARE put the volume back up?? 
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 21:02:06
Wow - that's giving the pretty crappy Dem leadership way too much credit!
It was more likely a little political Jujistu -- played first by the GOP trying to make the Bush plan the "Democrat" plan.
Then, they insertered presidential politics and essentially drafted a 106 page version of Bush's 3-page plan. -- and the Dems wanted at least 100 GOP House members on board.
So then came Congressional election politics -- GOP members knew that they might lose their seats for voting "yea" on the 106-page version of the 3-page plan -- so as the votes on the GOP side weren't coming in - the Dems said - "F YOU!" -- we aren't taking the political hit by fixing the problem YOU caused.
Just like with the Immigration Bill - the GOP base rose up (not in the same way, ie via talk radio) - and they were more interested in keeping what power they have than fixing the problem.
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 21:02:06
Quote by Raine:
Some guy on Fauz just said the dems created this bill so the GOP would not pass it just to make McCain look bad.
Wow - that's giving the pretty crappy Dem leadership way too much credit!
It was more likely a little political Jujistu -- played first by the GOP trying to make the Bush plan the "Democrat" plan.
Then, they insertered presidential politics and essentially drafted a 106 page version of Bush's 3-page plan. -- and the Dems wanted at least 100 GOP House members on board.
So then came Congressional election politics -- GOP members knew that they might lose their seats for voting "yea" on the 106-page version of the 3-page plan -- so as the votes on the GOP side weren't coming in - the Dems said - "F YOU!" -- we aren't taking the political hit by fixing the problem YOU caused.
Just like with the Immigration Bill - the GOP base rose up (not in the same way, ie via talk radio) - and they were more interested in keeping what power they have than fixing the problem.
Comment by livingonli on 09/29/2008 21:03:02
livingonli on 09/29/2008 21:03:02
Time for me to go head out into the city. I will talk to you all when I get home from the show.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 21:12:55
Raine on 09/29/2008 21:12:55
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 21:16:32
Raine on 09/29/2008 21:16:32
McCAin is just lying outright on TV.
What a pig. What a lying peice of shit pig. He is saying he was not for the plan.
HE is also saying that he wanted more regulation again. What a liar.
What a pig. What a lying peice of shit pig. He is saying he was not for the plan.
HE is also saying that he wanted more regulation again. What a liar.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 21:17:41
Raine on 09/29/2008 21:17:41
Oop. There he did it. He blamed Obama for making this plan partisan
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 21:18:52
Raine on 09/29/2008 21:18:52
This may come as a shock, but he took no questions.
I despise this man more than *ush I think.
I despise this man more than *ush I think.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 21:21:50
Raine on 09/29/2008 21:21:50
:beer: for you Shane. I think that this was a huge play from BOTH sides.
I am still conflicted, I did not like the plan, but I am left here wondering if companies in the next few weeks will be able to make payroll. Especially those companies with Direct deposit that are publiclly traded.
I am not trying to make everyone fret, but these are things that I am thinking.
I am still conflicted, I did not like the plan, but I am left here wondering if companies in the next few weeks will be able to make payroll. Especially those companies with Direct deposit that are publiclly traded.
I am not trying to make everyone fret, but these are things that I am thinking.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 21:31:41
I completely understand. The question is between what are the real affects on people if it does pass vs. does not. Neither results are good.
The payroll issue really comes up where a company (publically traded or not) - uses (needs) short term credit to meet payroll - a bad month, seasonal issues - whatever might interrupt cash flows. If that credit is not there - a fix for that problem must be done - and fast. That is concern #1 - pensions are #2 (in terms of time - just my opinion).
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 21:31:41
Quote by Raine:
:beer: for you Shane. I think that this was a huge play from BOTH sides.
I am still conflicted, I did not like the plan, but I am left here wondering if companies in the next few weeks will be able to make payroll. Especially those companies with Direct deposit that are publiclly traded.
I am not trying to make everyone fret, but these are things that I am thinking.
I completely understand. The question is between what are the real affects on people if it does pass vs. does not. Neither results are good.
The payroll issue really comes up where a company (publically traded or not) - uses (needs) short term credit to meet payroll - a bad month, seasonal issues - whatever might interrupt cash flows. If that credit is not there - a fix for that problem must be done - and fast. That is concern #1 - pensions are #2 (in terms of time - just my opinion).
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 21:37:11
Raine on 09/29/2008 21:37:11
Simply Put, Today was the Cumulation of RayGun and Neoconservative Republican economic policies.
ANYONE from here on in who says they are still going to vote republican will face my wrath, and that includes my father.
My retired Father, who better pray to high heaven he still has a state funded pension in the next few weeks. HE made this happen along with ALL of the people who blindly followed der LEader RayGun and Bush and Bush and now MCCAin. This is what republican policies get you.
ANYONE from here on in who says they are still going to vote republican will face my wrath, and that includes my father.
My retired Father, who better pray to high heaven he still has a state funded pension in the next few weeks. HE made this happen along with ALL of the people who blindly followed der LEader RayGun and Bush and Bush and now MCCAin. This is what republican policies get you.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 21:41:10
OK, so I am not fretting over nothing here.
Companies that have liquid assets will be fine, those that are not, then this could very well be an issue.
And yes, Pensions are a HUGE worry for me, well actually for both my parents. My mom just put in her retirement papers this week.
My dad worked for NYS... He retired a few years ago. I am really concerned for tehm. My Mom especially. She understands this stuff even less than me.
Raine on 09/29/2008 21:41:10
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
:beer: for you Shane. I think that this was a huge play from BOTH sides.
I am still conflicted, I did not like the plan, but I am left here wondering if companies in the next few weeks will be able to make payroll. Especially those companies with Direct deposit that are publiclly traded.
I am not trying to make everyone fret, but these are things that I am thinking.
I completely understand. The question is between what are the real affects on people if it does pass vs. does not. Neither results are good.
The payroll issue really comes up where a company (publically traded or not) - uses (needs) short term credit to meet payroll - a bad month, seasonal issues - whatever might interrupt cash flows. If that credit is not there - a fix for that problem must be done - and fast. That is concern #1 - pensions are #2 (in terms of time - just my opinion).
Companies that have liquid assets will be fine, those that are not, then this could very well be an issue.
And yes, Pensions are a HUGE worry for me, well actually for both my parents. My mom just put in her retirement papers this week.
My dad worked for NYS... He retired a few years ago. I am really concerned for tehm. My Mom especially. She understands this stuff even less than me.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 21:48:56
Oh - don't get me wrong -- AIG and Lehman were publically traded and allegedly had decent cash flows -- it really depends on the specific company.
The NYS pension I would not fret over in ANY way -- New York isn't going to declare bankruptcy (even though they are bankrupt in the techincal sense) a la Orange County in the 90's.
I too am worried for my Mom who depends on her pension.
Payroll and pension security must be the top priority -- because MANY people live paycheck to paycheck.
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 21:48:56
Quote by Raine:OK, so I am not fretting over nothing here.Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
:beer: for you Shane. I think that this was a huge play from BOTH sides.
I am still conflicted, I did not like the plan, but I am left here wondering if companies in the next few weeks will be able to make payroll. Especially those companies with Direct deposit that are publiclly traded.
I am not trying to make everyone fret, but these are things that I am thinking.
I completely understand. The question is between what are the real affects on people if it does pass vs. does not. Neither results are good.
The payroll issue really comes up where a company (publically traded or not) - uses (needs) short term credit to meet payroll - a bad month, seasonal issues - whatever might interrupt cash flows. If that credit is not there - a fix for that problem must be done - and fast. That is concern #1 - pensions are #2 (in terms of time - just my opinion).
Companies that have liquid assets will be fine, those that are not, then this could very well be an issue.
And yes, Pensions are a HUGE worry for me, well actually for both my parents. My mom just put in her retirement papers this week.
My dad worked for NYS... He retired a few years ago. I am really concerned for tehm. My Mom especially. She understands this stuff even less than me.
Oh - don't get me wrong -- AIG and Lehman were publically traded and allegedly had decent cash flows -- it really depends on the specific company.
The NYS pension I would not fret over in ANY way -- New York isn't going to declare bankruptcy (even though they are bankrupt in the techincal sense) a la Orange County in the 90's.
I too am worried for my Mom who depends on her pension.
Payroll and pension security must be the top priority -- because MANY people live paycheck to paycheck.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 21:57:38
"Senator Obama and his allies in Congress infused unnecessary partisanship into the process. Now is not the time to fix the blame, it's time to fix the problem."
That's a quote.
McCain did exactly what he accused Obama of doing.
Disgusting.
Edit to Add: McCain does not even seem to be able to recall what he says from one sentence to another.
Raine on 09/29/2008 21:57:38
Quote by Raine:
Oop. There he did it. He blamed Obama for making this plan partisan
"Senator Obama and his allies in Congress infused unnecessary partisanship into the process. Now is not the time to fix the blame, it's time to fix the problem."
That's a quote.
McCain did exactly what he accused Obama of doing.
Disgusting.
Edit to Add: McCain does not even seem to be able to recall what he says from one sentence to another.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 22:00:46
In the same breath, no less.
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 22:00:46
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
Oop. There he did it. He blamed Obama for making this plan partisan
"Senator Obama and his allies in Congress infused unnecessary partisanship into the process. Now is not the time to fix the blame, it's time to fix the problem."
That's a quote.
McCain did exactly what he accused Obama of doing.
Disgusting.
In the same breath, no less.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 22:11:55
Raine on 09/29/2008 22:11:55
Bank of America is owned by the Saudi's? :thud:
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 22:17:59
seemed like the right time.
Raine on 09/29/2008 22:17:59
seemed like the right time.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 22:39:49
Raine on 09/29/2008 22:39:49
NO MORE KINGS!!!
Sorry, I told you, I fell into the SHR rabbit hole. I am ready for the revolution now!!!!
Sorry, I told you, I fell into the SHR rabbit hole. I am ready for the revolution now!!!!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/29/2008 22:52:25
Scoopster on 09/29/2008 22:52:25
:grumble:
People on dkos are so fickle.. They actually think I was cheering for people to be driven poor with my diary today about being glad that this shitty bill failed. They completely overlooked the fact that I wrote it out of being pissed at whiny Republicans who like to play fucking games.
People on dkos are so fickle.. They actually think I was cheering for people to be driven poor with my diary today about being glad that this shitty bill failed. They completely overlooked the fact that I wrote it out of being pissed at whiny Republicans who like to play fucking games.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 22:58:28
I am seeing the same thing all over the intertubes. I have been watching scoop, and you are not the only one out there in the *liberal Left wing blogosphere* that is feeling the wrath.
People are freaking out. They want to blame someone, anyone, despite the fact that they are not able to focus on what is really happening.
The republicans are doing a double projection here, and the left better get the act together. QUICK.
Simple translation: It's the HYPOCRISY STUPID.
Good god.Have we become so knee jerk that we are losing common sense?
Raine on 09/29/2008 22:58:28
Quote by Scoopster:
:grumble:
People on dkos are so fickle.. They actually think I was cheering for people to be driven poor with my diary today about being glad that this shitty bill failed. They completely overlooked the fact that I wrote it out of being pissed at whiny Republicans who like to play fucking games.
I am seeing the same thing all over the intertubes. I have been watching scoop, and you are not the only one out there in the *liberal Left wing blogosphere* that is feeling the wrath.
People are freaking out. They want to blame someone, anyone, despite the fact that they are not able to focus on what is really happening.
The republicans are doing a double projection here, and the left better get the act together. QUICK.
Simple translation: It's the HYPOCRISY STUPID.
Good god.Have we become so knee jerk that we are losing common sense?
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:02:56
New theme song for you?
(Sorry - didn't have time to cut it - so it's the full song. But it's a really good one )
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:02:56
Quote by Raine:
Sorry, I told you, I fell into the SHR rabbit hole. I am ready for the revolution now!!!!
New theme song for you?
(Sorry - didn't have time to cut it - so it's the full song. But it's a really good one
)
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 23:03:51
Raine on 09/29/2008 23:03:51
I am concerned.
However... I am also not afraid to ask questions, listen and think. It was a crappy bill. I was nervous about which way it would go.
IT did not go. Now is the time to separate what the dems and the repubs are saying... it might not matter for the economy but it does matter politcally.
Barack says stay calm...
And I am.
However... I am also not afraid to ask questions, listen and think. It was a crappy bill. I was nervous about which way it would go.
IT did not go. Now is the time to separate what the dems and the repubs are saying... it might not matter for the economy but it does matter politcally.
Barack says stay calm...
And I am.
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 23:09:23
Don't cut it. That is how I am feeling.
I have a t-shirt that says (and witnesses who have seen it, right here on this blog) "Stop bitching, start a revolution"
I've had it for 2 years now. ;)
Raine on 09/29/2008 23:09:23
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Sorry, I told you, I fell into the SHR rabbit hole. I am ready for the revolution now!!!!
New theme song for you?
(Sorry - didn't have time to cut it - so it's the full song. But it's a really good one
Don't cut it. That is how I am feeling.
I have a t-shirt that says (and witnesses who have seen it, right here on this blog) "Stop bitching, start a revolution"
I've had it for 2 years now. ;)
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 23:16:04
Raine on 09/29/2008 23:16:04
I am angry. I am so angry that we are seeing this happen to America.
I am angry that I was told that I was a drama queen... I want to not be angry anymore.
Much of America fell asleep, I never did. I was called crazy when I warned people of what *might* happen... ... and now, people are feeling the wrath of what I warned them about...
AND... I know I am not alone on this blog. What the hell is wrong with Americans?
I am angry that I was told that I was a drama queen... I want to not be angry anymore.
Much of America fell asleep, I never did. I was called crazy when I warned people of what *might* happen... ... and now, people are feeling the wrath of what I warned them about...
AND... I know I am not alone on this blog. What the hell is wrong with Americans?
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:17:48
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:17:48
Sometime "angry" music can be soothing.
The Cure, NIN -- and throwing darts at the dart board for speed, not accuracy. (But keeping the mind working...)
Speaking for myself only...
The Cure, NIN -- and throwing darts at the dart board for speed, not accuracy. (But keeping the mind working...)
Speaking for myself only...
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:27:27
I don't know if this will help - or even if it is accurate - but here goes...
I don't think there's anything wrong with the vast majority of Americans.
There is a problem with America. And its root is in the institutions of America - both governmental and financial.
Today we saw the strength of Americans to stand up and say "NO" to both. While the governmental institution only listened because they crave staying in power - that works by me. That's Americans' leverage over the institutions that are the problem.
I have ultimate faith in Americans - this is an evolution vs. a revolution.
It took a while to get here - it will take longer to get out -- but if Americans "wake up" (see Dennis Kucinich) and say "NO" or "Enough" -- there is... dare I say... hope?
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:27:27
Quote by Raine:
I am angry. I am so angry that we are seeing this happen to America.
I am angry that I was told that I was a drama queen... I want to not be angry anymore.
Much of America fell asleep, I never did. I was called crazy when I warned people of what *might* happen... ... and now, people are feeling the wrath of what I warned them about...
AND... I know I am not alone on this blog. What the hell is wrong with Americans?
I don't know if this will help - or even if it is accurate - but here goes...
I don't think there's anything wrong with the vast majority of Americans.
There is a problem with America. And its root is in the institutions of America - both governmental and financial.
Today we saw the strength of Americans to stand up and say "NO" to both. While the governmental institution only listened because they crave staying in power - that works by me. That's Americans' leverage over the institutions that are the problem.
I have ultimate faith in Americans - this is an evolution vs. a revolution.
It took a while to get here - it will take longer to get out -- but if Americans "wake up" (see Dennis Kucinich) and say "NO" or "Enough" -- there is... dare I say... hope?
Comment by Raine on 09/29/2008 23:40:06
Raine on 09/29/2008 23:40:06
I think you may be right Shane. I am still angry. Great point.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:44:15
Whew! -- Cuz that was the best impression of a happy-clappy liberal I could muster :p
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:44:15
Quote by Raine:
I think you may be right Shane. I am still angry. Great point.
Whew! -- Cuz that was the best impression of a happy-clappy liberal I could muster :p
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 23:47:13
I agree with in part Shane-O. I think people have been ill-served by big range of institutions. Banking, government, news media. I was trying to make a big point, but I am at a loss for how to express what I am feeling. But at the heart of it, I think it is the fault of the Republicans inability to govern.
Mondobubba on 09/29/2008 23:47:13
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
I am angry. I am so angry that we are seeing this happen to America.
I am angry that I was told that I was a drama queen... I want to not be angry anymore.
Much of America fell asleep, I never did. I was called crazy when I warned people of what *might* happen... ... and now, people are feeling the wrath of what I warned them about...
AND... I know I am not alone on this blog. What the hell is wrong with Americans?
I don't know if this will help - or even if it is accurate - but here goes...
I don't think there's anything wrong with the vast majority of Americans.
There is a problem with America. And its root is in the institutions of America - both governmental and financial.
Today we saw the strength of Americans to stand up and say "NO" to both. While the governmental institution only listened because they crave staying in power - that works by me. That's Americans' leverage over the institutions that are the problem.
I have ultimate faith in Americans - this is an evolution vs. a revolution.
It took a while to get here - it will take longer to get out -- but if Americans "wake up" (see Dennis Kucinich) and say "NO" or "Enough" -- there is... dare I say... hope?
I agree with in part Shane-O. I think people have been ill-served by big range of institutions. Banking, government, news media. I was trying to make a big point, but I am at a loss for how to express what I am feeling. But at the heart of it, I think it is the fault of the Republicans inability to govern.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:55:49
Shane-O on 09/29/2008 23:55:49
Or, Mondo, might I suggest that it is the Republicans' incredible ability to govern (not putting a qualitative judgment on that term) that has put us all in this place.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 00:03:53
My feeling is this. When the party started moving South and people like Gingrich gained power, the GOP started opposing and playing to fear. They did this for so long, that when they gained power in 1994 they never stopped. They can't do anything else.
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 00:03:53
Quote by Shane-O:
Or, Mondo, might I suggest that it is the Republicans' incredible ability to govern (not putting a qualitative judgment on that term) that has put us all in this place.
My feeling is this. When the party started moving South and people like Gingrich gained power, the GOP started opposing and playing to fear. They did this for so long, that when they gained power in 1994 they never stopped. They can't do anything else.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/30/2008 00:19:35
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 00:19:35
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 00:47:47
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 00:47:47
Barak Obama in worst persons? WTF! 
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 01:05:11
TriSec on 09/30/2008 01:05:11
Well, I haven't logged in to my portfolio, but I'm guessing I lost somewhere around $3,000 today.
Comment by m-hadley on 09/30/2008 01:55:06
m-hadley on 09/30/2008 01:55:06
Raine & Shane-O,
I need both of your opinions, before I have this out there in the internets for too long: please check this out and let me know if I've lost my mind: see this . I am also very freakin' angry, and I am trying to decide who deserves my anger most - I guess I've chosen the GOP for my wrath - no surprise there, but please tell me whether I've missed something major or important. I am NO economist.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama: ???
I need both of your opinions, before I have this out there in the internets for too long: please check this out and let me know if I've lost my mind: see this . I am also very freakin' angry, and I am trying to decide who deserves my anger most - I guess I've chosen the GOP for my wrath - no surprise there, but please tell me whether I've missed something major or important. I am NO economist.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama: ???
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 02:04:23
Raine on 09/30/2008 02:04:23
Personally, Faye... I think it should stay out there.
I like what you wrote. VERY MUCH.
I like what you wrote. VERY MUCH.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 02:28:53
Raine on 09/30/2008 02:28:53
Wow.
She needs a chaperone.
She needs a chaperone.
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 05:51:45
livingonli on 09/30/2008 05:51:45
Hi, everyone. A good time in the city tonight. I will tell more in the morning when everyone's on the blog.