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A Wall of Lies
Author: BobR    Date: 01/10/2019 14:14:25

As the governmet shutdown stretches on through week 3, pResident tRump sits in the corner he painted himself into and refuses to consider any funding bill which does not include his wall. It is HIS wall, after all - a monument to wasteful spending on something that isn't necessary and won't work as promised. Let's break this down...

Spending Bill: Right before the Congress broke for Christmas, one of the last acts of the Senate was to pass a spending bill unanimously, with no additional funding for a border wall. The House fucked it up by adding funding for the wall and sent it back to the Senate. By then, it was too late. Once the new Congress opened in January, the Democrats (now in charge in the House) passed the original bill the Senate had already passed in the previous congress, and sent it to the Senate.

Suddenly, Mitch McConnell (R-KY) got religion about the wall and refused to bring the bill up for a vote, saying he wouldn't pass any bill the president wouldn't sign, and then blaming the Democrats for being partisan. It was a blatant and disgusting display of projection and partisanship, and an aggravating preview of what to expect from him over the next two years.

Efficacy of the Wall: tRump (and his supporters) have imagined that there are waves of criminals, drug dealers, and terrorists pouring over our southern border. There is no evidence of this, of course, and in fact the evidence proves otherwise. The only people willing to walk through the deserts of northern Mexico and the southern border states are very desperate people. Most drugs come by way of boat, car, or plane (and the occasional tunnel under the wall). Most people here "illegally" came here legally (again - via car, boat, or plane) and then never left. There is much more border along the coastline and Canada. The WALL is a big expensive deterrent to a very small number of poor people escaping violence, who can come here legally seeking asylum if the current administration would just make it a little easier to go through that process.

Criminals and MS-13: tRump uses a handful of anecdotal stories to illustrate his "criminals, rapists" commentary he's maintained since he announced. Statistics say otherwise, that immigrants (both legal and illegal) are committing crimes in a lesser percentage than American citizens. However, people respond much more to personal anecdotal stories than they do statistics (see "white girl stuck in a well" syndrome). The reality, though, is you're more likely to get shot by your white gun-toting American compatriots than you are an immigrant.

And MS-13? That gang originated in Los Angeles - not Mexico - and is comprised of mostly Salvadorans. They recruit vulnerable new immigrants once they're here - they are NOT bringing in gang members from south of the border.

Terrorism: How did the 9/11 terrorists get here? Did they fly to Mexico and walk through the desert? No, of course not. Neither will any terrorist. tRump and Sarah Huckleberry Sanders claim 4000 terrorists have been stopped, but they left out the tiny detail that those people were apprehended at airports - NOT the southern border, and nearly all not even in the United States. There have been 6 - count 'em - 6 people detained at the southern border who were on a "terrorist watch list" in the first half of 2018, and they were detained at points of entry - NOT crossing illegally. This is a problem that doesn't exist.

Jobs: The wall supporters will simultaneously say that illegal immigrants are taking our jobs AND that they are sucking at the welfare teat. It's amazing, really, that they can keep both contrary positions in their heads without exploding. The reality is that the only jobs they are taking are the ones Americans no longer want to do, like picking vegetables and cutting up chickens in slaughterhouses. Typically, a migrant would cross the border at the beginning of harvest season, work through the harvest, and then go back home. What's wrong with that? It helps the farmers, it helps U.S. consumers, and it helps poor families south of the border. With the border crossing being tightened and more treacherous, they are more likely to stay and send money to their families back home. We should be making this easier for them - it would cut down on the number of immigrants staying year-round.

As to welfare - illegal immigrants cannot get welfare, despite all the lying memes you might see claiming otherwise. If a person sees an "immigrant" at the store with food stamps, they are here legally.

So once you look at the truth being obscured by all of the lies in tRumps prime-time address, it's clear that there's no reason for spending $5B on a border wall, other than to give him a lasting legacy long after he's left the office in disgrace and ignominy. We the American People deserve better, and hard-working civil servants deserve to go back to their paying jobs.

 
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 01/10/2019 14:19:47
Morning

Comment by wickedpam on 01/10/2019 14:26:40
Sooooo saw a tweet from Chris Hayes last night that said a Dem source of his that was in that meeting yesterday said the whole thing felt staged.

Then this morning I head Donnie Deutsch bring up the scenario of the Trashhole declaring a National Emergency then victory that he alone reopened government and all the Dems want to do is keep gov closed and take him to court. The way he said it, and know that Deutsch has known Trashhole for a lot of years, gave me this horrible sinking feeling that he's going to pull it out and turn it all around on us.

Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 14:50:14
Quote by wickedpam:
Sooooo saw a tweet from Chris Hayes last night that said a Dem source of his that was in that meeting yesterday said the whole thing felt staged.

Then this morning I head Donnie Deutsch bring up the scenario of the Trashhole declaring a National Emergency then victory that he alone reopened government and all the Dems want to do is keep gov closed and take him to court. The way he said it, and know that Deutsch has known Trashhole for a lot of years, gave me this horrible sinking feeling that he's going to pull it out and turn it all around on us.
That would totally end up in courts for the year.

good morning.

Have some candy.


Comment by wickedpam on 01/10/2019 14:55:53
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Sooooo saw a tweet from Chris Hayes last night that said a Dem source of his that was in that meeting yesterday said the whole thing felt staged.

Then this morning I head Donnie Deutsch bring up the scenario of the Trashhole declaring a National Emergency then victory that he alone reopened government and all the Dems want to do is keep gov closed and take him to court. The way he said it, and know that Deutsch has known Trashhole for a lot of years, gave me this horrible sinking feeling that he's going to pull it out and turn it all around on us.
That would totally end up in courts for the year.

good morning.

Have some candy.



True, it would.

I'm just super worried its all gonna backfire on the Dems. Pelosi is so politically smart she's probably thought of all these scenarios.


Comment by Scoopster on 01/10/2019 14:59:52
Mornin' all..



Comment by BobR on 01/10/2019 15:43:56
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Mornin' all..




Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 15:50:18
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Quote by wickedpam:
Sooooo saw a tweet from Chris Hayes last night that said a Dem source of his that was in that meeting yesterday said the whole thing felt staged.

Then this morning I head Donnie Deutsch bring up the scenario of the Trashhole declaring a National Emergency then victory that he alone reopened government and all the Dems want to do is keep gov closed and take him to court. The way he said it, and know that Deutsch has known Trashhole for a lot of years, gave me this horrible sinking feeling that he's going to pull it out and turn it all around on us.
That would totally end up in courts for the year.

good morning.

Have some candy.



True, it would.

I'm just super worried its all gonna backfire on the Dems. Pelosi is so politically smart she's probably thought of all these scenarios.

put a pin on that, Mala.

Comment by BobR on 01/10/2019 15:59:30
Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 16:03:49
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we were warned

We live in bizzrro world

Comment by livingonli on 01/10/2019 16:30:23
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we were warned

We live in bizzrro world

Like the Simpsons episode where Trump bankrupted the country before Lisa Simpson became president.

Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 16:31:55




Comment by wickedpam on 01/10/2019 16:57:30
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I want to hug her

Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 17:26:47
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I want to hug her
I have to be honest, I ap[preciate her even more this time around as speaker. I love her.


Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 17:50:52
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I want to hug her
I have to be honest, I ap[preciate her even more this time around as speaker. I love her.
I missed this yesterday, Madame Speaker received 10,000 roses.

DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas said that this year they surpassed their goal of raising enough money to buy 10,000 roses within an hour and a half of posting. They ended up collecting enough for 25,000 stems — so many that they shipped the extras, at the speaker’s request, to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.



Comment by Scoopster on 01/10/2019 17:52:11
McConnell blocks Senate vote on reponening government.

He is now 100% responsible for this. Not Trump, HIM.

Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 17:56:41
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McConnell blocks Senate vote on reponening government.

He is now 100% responsible for this. Not Trump, HIM.

He's equally evil.



Comment by wickedpam on 01/10/2019 17:59:06



No wonder evangelicals love him, he's all up in Old Testament crap.

Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 18:17:34
oopsie!

Mueller's team met with pollster Tony Fabrizio in February 2018, an interview that has not been previously reported and takes on new significance after Manafort's attorneys revealed Tuesday that Mueller's team is still interested in how Manafort shared polling data with his Russian intelligence-linked colleague.

CNN journalists observed Fabrizio leaving the special counsel's office on the first of February last year and have since confirmed he was meeting with Mueller's team. At the time, the special counsel had been digging into Manafort's finances and political work ahead of his trial.

In a filing Tuesday, Manafort's attorneys tried to redact the fact that prosecutors knew Manafort shared polling data related to the 2016 presidential election with his Russian intelligence-linked associate Konstantin Kilimnik while Manafort was running Trump's presidential campaign. The information was supposed to remain secret because it's part of an ongoing investigation, but it was revealed because of a formatting error in the filing.

Fabrizio's involvement with Mueller is intriguing because he's one of the few people in Manafort's orbit with knowledge of the inner-workings of the Trump campaign as well as Manafort's Eastern European connections.



Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 18:19:20
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oopsie!

Mueller's team met with pollster Tony Fabrizio in February 2018, an interview that has not been previously reported and takes on new significance after Manafort's attorneys revealed Tuesday that Mueller's team is still interested in how Manafort shared polling data with his Russian intelligence-linked colleague.

CNN journalists observed Fabrizio leaving the special counsel's office on the first of February last year and have since confirmed he was meeting with Mueller's team. At the time, the special counsel had been digging into Manafort's finances and political work ahead of his trial.

In a filing Tuesday, Manafort's attorneys tried to redact the fact that prosecutors knew Manafort shared polling data related to the 2016 presidential election with his Russian intelligence-linked associate Konstantin Kilimnik while Manafort was running Trump's presidential campaign. The information was supposed to remain secret because it's part of an ongoing investigation, but it was revealed because of a formatting error in the filing.

Fabrizio's involvement with Mueller is intriguing because he's one of the few people in Manafort's orbit with knowledge of the inner-workings of the Trump campaign as well as Manafort's Eastern European connections.


he never forged particularly close ties with the candidate, despite having done some prior work for Trump's businesses.

His relationship with Trump soured late in the election as the Trump campaign disputed a bill of roughly $767,000 to Fabrizio's polling firm. Fabrizio's firm was eventually compensated.


Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 20:07:13
All three boys have a clean bill of health from their new Veterinarian. I am pretty happy with her.

Duke lost weight!

Comment by Scoopster on 01/10/2019 20:25:33
Comment by BobR on 01/10/2019 20:42:56

beat me to it. This is going to be fun!

Comment by Raine on 01/10/2019 21:05:11
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beat me to it. This is going to be fun!

Marking the 7th on my calendar!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/10/2019 21:17:00
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Quote by BobR:

beat me to it. This is going to be fun!

Marking the 7th on my calendar!



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