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It's a Clothing Gap.
Author: Raine
Date: 10/23/2008 12:25:05
Clothes. To some they matter; to others - not so much. In this case, I think it really matters. Sarah Palin, on the RNC dime spent a lot of money on Clothes in September. About $150,000. It leaves questions tho.
Now, the RNC has said that the clothes will be donated to charity. Which is great, but by then they will be USED clothes. They won't be worth anywhere NEAR the cost of original purchase. Sarah has done this before... remember her charging the state of Alaska? That was close to $50,000. Once again the Palin family is living high off the hog (with lipstick as well!) on the taxpayers dime. Talk about welfare fraud.
I bring this all up because also this week we have been hearing the meme of not only 'Joe the Plumber', but also 'Ann the engineer', 'Ed the policeman', 'Sue the sectretary' -- Some guy named Tito... McCain/Palin have been touting how bad Obama will be for America, how Obama will tax us more how Obama doesn't understand -- the list goes on.
On the other side of things, we just had a 700 billion dollar bailout. While John MCCain talks of cutting the 'pork' in washington, or having a spending freeze in DC, his running mate went on a shopping spree that most of us will never see in our lifetime. 150,000 thousand dollars is 2-3 years salary for people like 'Ed the Policeman' or 'Frank the Fireman'. It is a truly disgusting image of the have and have nots.
John McCain wants you to believe that he can fix this economy. Well, I ask -- when he and the GOP are busy giving out $150,000 welfare checks to one woman, what are people to believe? The right went apoplectic when they learned about John Edwards' 400 dollar haircut. Where is the outrage now? How many mouths can 150,000 thousand dollars feed? How many children would that have clothed?
It's a wardrobe malfunction of the worst kind. I look at the RNC and feel like they have just flipped the bird to America and told us all to eat cake. That's right. It's the modern day version of "Let them Eat Cake". Well as I have been joking here this week, I won't eat cake. I like pie, and today I am going to vote for the Man who will allow me a slice of that pie. Barack Obama.
In the mean time, take a look at this video, and tell me, who is better at running the economy? Really, sometimes clothes DO tell a lot about a person, and I think this video says it all:
That's right, "Mommy buy's everything at the Gap" For those that can't watch videos... here is a simple picture:
It's time America got real about who can really turn this country around, and who REALLY understands what we are going thru. Sarah Palin does not care, and John McCain is too out of touch, the RNC is more concerned with the image it projects and NO ONE benefits from this particular bailout, except maybe Sarah (who will probably have to pay taxes on Gifts received from a political campaign -- but that is another story for another day, no doubt).
:peace: and
Raine
The cash expenditures immediately raised questions among campaign finance experts about their legality under the Federal Election Commission's long-standing advisory opinions on using campaign cash to purchase items for personal use.
Politico asked the McCain campaign for comment on Monday, explicitly noting the $150,000 in expenses for department store shopping and makeup consultation that were incurred immediately after Palin’s announcement. Pre-September reports do not include similar costs.
Now, the RNC has said that the clothes will be donated to charity. Which is great, but by then they will be USED clothes. They won't be worth anywhere NEAR the cost of original purchase. Sarah has done this before... remember her charging the state of Alaska? That was close to $50,000. Once again the Palin family is living high off the hog (with lipstick as well!) on the taxpayers dime. Talk about welfare fraud.
I bring this all up because also this week we have been hearing the meme of not only 'Joe the Plumber', but also 'Ann the engineer', 'Ed the policeman', 'Sue the sectretary' -- Some guy named Tito... McCain/Palin have been touting how bad Obama will be for America, how Obama will tax us more how Obama doesn't understand -- the list goes on.
On the other side of things, we just had a 700 billion dollar bailout. While John MCCain talks of cutting the 'pork' in washington, or having a spending freeze in DC, his running mate went on a shopping spree that most of us will never see in our lifetime. 150,000 thousand dollars is 2-3 years salary for people like 'Ed the Policeman' or 'Frank the Fireman'. It is a truly disgusting image of the have and have nots.
John McCain wants you to believe that he can fix this economy. Well, I ask -- when he and the GOP are busy giving out $150,000 welfare checks to one woman, what are people to believe? The right went apoplectic when they learned about John Edwards' 400 dollar haircut. Where is the outrage now? How many mouths can 150,000 thousand dollars feed? How many children would that have clothed?
It's a wardrobe malfunction of the worst kind. I look at the RNC and feel like they have just flipped the bird to America and told us all to eat cake. That's right. It's the modern day version of "Let them Eat Cake". Well as I have been joking here this week, I won't eat cake. I like pie, and today I am going to vote for the Man who will allow me a slice of that pie. Barack Obama.
In the mean time, take a look at this video, and tell me, who is better at running the economy? Really, sometimes clothes DO tell a lot about a person, and I think this video says it all:
It's time America got real about who can really turn this country around, and who REALLY understands what we are going thru. Sarah Palin does not care, and John McCain is too out of touch, the RNC is more concerned with the image it projects and NO ONE benefits from this particular bailout, except maybe Sarah (who will probably have to pay taxes on Gifts received from a political campaign -- but that is another story for another day, no doubt).
:peace: and
Raine
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Comment by 
Grumpymann on 10/23/2008 12:29:23
Grumpymann on 10/23/2008 12:29:23
Great post Raine
Comment by 
Raine on 10/23/2008 12:38:27
Raine on 10/23/2008 12:38:27
Why thank you Grump!
We may be scarce around these parts this morning, as we really are going to cast our votes today.
PIE!
We may be scarce around these parts this morning, as we really are going to cast our votes today.
PIE!
Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/23/2008 12:49:12
wickedpam on 10/23/2008 12:49:12
Morning :hug:
last two days of vacation - blogging from home this morning
last two days of vacation - blogging from home this morning
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 12:52:04
Raine on 10/23/2008 12:52:04
October Surprise?
This is a stunner. A real stunner.
This is a stunner. A real stunner.
Comment by 
Random on 10/23/2008 13:08:23
an octorber suprise?
why?
Random on 10/23/2008 13:08:23
Quote by Raine:
October Surprise?
This is a stunner. A real stunner.
an octorber suprise?
why?
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 13:08:27
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 13:08:27
Morning all! 
Ready to knock another day off the countdown to victory calendar?!
I've got a quick anecdote for'yall this morning from the old online republic.. Back in the days when the Internet was still text-based and we used dialup systems, someone wrote a program called "America Held Hostage" which basically was a ANSI-block billboard for Rush Limbaugh that counted down the remaining days of Clinton's presidency (Version 2.0 was released after Clinton won a second term). I find it ironic that after those good years, and the past eight years of absolute ridiculousness, that the tables have turned right back around on people like this programmer and blathering drug-addled Limbaugh and proven that their legacy, like that of George Bush, will be one of hatred, greed and disregard for humanity while Clinton's will remain one of prosperity, caring and equal opportunity.
Ready to knock another day off the countdown to victory calendar?!I've got a quick anecdote for'yall this morning from the old online republic.. Back in the days when the Internet was still text-based and we used dialup systems, someone wrote a program called "America Held Hostage" which basically was a ANSI-block billboard for Rush Limbaugh that counted down the remaining days of Clinton's presidency (Version 2.0 was released after Clinton won a second term). I find it ironic that after those good years, and the past eight years of absolute ridiculousness, that the tables have turned right back around on people like this programmer and blathering drug-addled Limbaugh and proven that their legacy, like that of George Bush, will be one of hatred, greed and disregard for humanity while Clinton's will remain one of prosperity, caring and equal opportunity.
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/23/2008 13:14:49
It's just reminding everyone that Mr. McCain was a POW.
It does paint him in a sympathetic light again, look at all his sacrifice! (never mind that the wife he loved very much in that video almost died in a car wreck and he ditched her...)
TriSec on 10/23/2008 13:14:49
Quote by Random:
an octorber suprise?
why?
It's just reminding everyone that Mr. McCain was a POW.
It does paint him in a sympathetic light again, look at all his sacrifice! (never mind that the wife he loved very much in that video almost died in a car wreck and he ditched her...)
Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2008 13:14:51
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 13:14:51
:unsure:
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 13:16:55
Oh the right wing is going to eat this up... the Hero meme WILL come back. The whole jingoistic he's a POW and an AMerican Hero, and they sympathies and the flaven... not to mention the ultimate distraction from EVERYTHING that McCAin has done wrong, including the 150,00 thousand dollar Sarah Palin welfare check.
THAT is kinda what I meeant. Personally I think they pulled the ULTIMATE POW card out here.
(and I do still think it is premature Elecualtion)
Raine on 10/23/2008 13:16:55
Quote by Random:
an octorber suprise?
why?
Oh the right wing is going to eat this up... the Hero meme WILL come back. The whole jingoistic he's a POW and an AMerican Hero, and they sympathies and the flaven... not to mention the ultimate distraction from EVERYTHING that McCAin has done wrong, including the 150,00 thousand dollar Sarah Palin welfare check.
THAT is kinda what I meeant. Personally I think they pulled the ULTIMATE POW card out here.
(and I do still think it is premature Elecualtion)
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 13:19:20
TriSec on 10/23/2008 13:19:20
Say, do we have the Bark Park/Guy Lafleur/Sheboygan drop kicking around here?
Was that Shane-0, or a Stephanie Miller Show production?
Was that Shane-0, or a Stephanie Miller Show production?
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 13:20:32
That is the part of the video that gotta have Grampy cringing at this morning -- and when he said he was being treated well... <_<
Raine on 10/23/2008 13:20:32
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Random:
an octorber suprise?
why?
It's just reminding everyone that Mr. McCain was a POW.
It does paint him in a sympathetic light again, look at all his sacrifice! (never mind that the wife he loved very much in that video almost died in a car wreck and he ditched her...)
Comment by 
Shane-O on 10/23/2008 13:23:37
Those are by Mike in Raleigh (now in Tempe) -- he's put them up
here.
Shane-O on 10/23/2008 13:23:37
Quote by TriSec:
Say, do we have the Bark Park/Guy Lafleur/Sheboygan drop kicking around here?
Was that Shane-0, or a Stephanie Miller Show production?
Those are by Mike in Raleigh (now in Tempe) -- he's put them up
here.
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 13:30:35
We were playing with some of Javi's Webkinz...he's got both a pink and a white French Poodle. I can't speak French, but I can make "French Noises", and one of them happened to say Guy Lafleur!
There was no going back after that.
TriSec on 10/23/2008 13:30:35
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by TriSec:
Say, do we have the Bark Park/Guy Lafleur/Sheboygan drop kicking around here?
Was that Shane-0, or a Stephanie Miller Show production?
Those are by Mike in Raleigh (now in Tempe) -- he's put them up
here.
We were playing with some of Javi's Webkinz...he's got both a pink and a white French Poodle. I can't speak French, but I can make "French Noises", and one of them happened to say Guy Lafleur!
There was no going back after that.
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 13:53:14
TriSec on 10/23/2008 13:53:14
OK, I find Bill-O's comments about a corrupt press to be disturbing..."there's no restraints on us, and we're all corrupt"???
So....is he calling for censorship and no more free press?
So....is he calling for censorship and no more free press?
Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2008 13:59:05
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 13:59:05
So yeah.. here's a little dream I've been having lately:
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:11:18
livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:11:18
Good morning everyone. 
It's sunny but nippy today. I am off today so I will have many errands to run after the Stephanie Miller show.
It's sunny but nippy today. I am off today so I will have many errands to run after the Stephanie Miller show.
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:12:33
The righties would love that. Although by the way he phrased it, he also counted Fox News and himself in that lot which is definitely true that Fox News is a corrupt news organization.
Sounds like the right-wing is projecting their flaws again.
livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:12:33
Quote by TriSec:
OK, I find Bill-O's comments about a corrupt press to be disturbing..."there's no restraints on us, and we're all corrupt"???
So....is he calling for censorship and no more free press?
The righties would love that. Although by the way he phrased it, he also counted Fox News and himself in that lot which is definitely true that Fox News is a corrupt news organization.
Sounds like the right-wing is projecting their flaws again.
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 14:12:50
TriSec on 10/23/2008 14:12:50
Well, the blog seems quiet. I'm sure Bob and Raine won't mind if I do some aircraft maintenance in here today...
You SUCK! I knew this thing had a frickin' fuel leak!
Man, I am so dead....
You SUCK! I knew this thing had a frickin' fuel leak!
Man, I am so dead....
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:20:36
livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:20:36
That's more dangerous then when Momma's bus steers off the cliff into the abyss.
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 14:45:40
TriSec on 10/23/2008 14:45:40
Tips from the 4H Health Department heading down the stretch...
What is Election Exhaustion?
Election exhaustion is one phase of voterthermia, a condition that occurs when a candidate produces more lies than the electorate can dissipate. In its advanced state, election stroke, medical attention is absolutely necessary because of the threat of death. Minor cases aren't life threatening and occur regularly, especially in primary season, but should be treated seriously because election exhaustion can quickly turn into election stroke if allowed to progress.
The pundits needn't be hot for voterthermia to occur. Lies can be created artificially by propaganda or talking points or naturally through listening to the candidates or reading their websites. But as the electorate gets warm, your margin for error decreases, because your spin tolerance will decrease without you doing anything active. This is especially true early in the year when you aren't used to the silly season. Those in a district with an unchallenged incumbent are particularly vulnerable…
What is Election Exhaustion?
Election exhaustion is one phase of voterthermia, a condition that occurs when a candidate produces more lies than the electorate can dissipate. In its advanced state, election stroke, medical attention is absolutely necessary because of the threat of death. Minor cases aren't life threatening and occur regularly, especially in primary season, but should be treated seriously because election exhaustion can quickly turn into election stroke if allowed to progress.
The pundits needn't be hot for voterthermia to occur. Lies can be created artificially by propaganda or talking points or naturally through listening to the candidates or reading their websites. But as the electorate gets warm, your margin for error decreases, because your spin tolerance will decrease without you doing anything active. This is especially true early in the year when you aren't used to the silly season. Those in a district with an unchallenged incumbent are particularly vulnerable…
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:53:39
livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:53:39
Mondo's favorite asshat David Frum was on last night's Colbert Report.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/23/2008 14:56:20
wickedpam on 10/23/2008 14:56:20
dude, seriously.
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 14:57:57
Random on 10/23/2008 14:57:57
Wow...McCain plant?
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:58:00
livingonli on 10/23/2008 14:58:00
I am really tired of these right-wing callers who can't deviate from their script. The 20% that still support this asshat and these policies sound incoherent and just want to club their opponents.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/23/2008 14:58:17
wickedpam on 10/23/2008 14:58:17
honey! 
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 14:59:57
Random on 10/23/2008 14:59:57
To be fair, Obama really hasn't done much in the senate economically. But, no one's perfect.
And i love that he says Palin as more "Economic" experience than the other three. I would think both Biden and McCain have tons of Economic experience being in the senate for well over 20 years.
And i love that he says Palin as more "Economic" experience than the other three. I would think both Biden and McCain have tons of Economic experience being in the senate for well over 20 years.
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 15:00:27
It's the kind of comment only Kevin in DC can get away with.
Random on 10/23/2008 15:00:27
Quote by wickedpam:
honey!
It's the kind of comment only Kevin in DC can get away with.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/23/2008 15:08:06
it was the tone really not the word
wickedpam on 10/23/2008 15:08:06
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
honey!
It's the kind of comment only Kevin in DC can get away with.
it was the tone really not the word
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 15:16:40
TriSec on 10/23/2008 15:16:40
Ah, ice cream.
Sadly, my hometown ice cream shop was sold a few years ago and is now...a Dunkin' Donuts.
The really good one here in Waltham sold out years ago and is now high-priced houses nobody can afford.
Dairy Joy in Weston (better known for their fried clams, actually) and Cabot's in Newton are still in business.
But then there's Richardson's in Middleton, MA....they front a dairy farm, the cows are out back. Now that's good ice cream!
Sadly, my hometown ice cream shop was sold a few years ago and is now...a Dunkin' Donuts.
The really good one here in Waltham sold out years ago and is now high-priced houses nobody can afford.
Dairy Joy in Weston (better known for their fried clams, actually) and Cabot's in Newton are still in business.
But then there's Richardson's in Middleton, MA....they front a dairy farm, the cows are out back. Now that's good ice cream!
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 15:32:34
livingonli on 10/23/2008 15:32:34
My internet connection is down on my desktop but I can still use the laptop.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/23/2008 15:49:14
wickedpam on 10/23/2008 15:49:14
Its been very quiet today Liv - I wouldn't worry about it :hug:
Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2008 15:49:21
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 15:49:21
Meh.. Guns & Roses new album comes out next month.
Heard their new single earlier... not impressed.
Heard their new single earlier... not impressed.
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 15:52:45
Did our happy couple from the ATL vanish?
livingonli on 10/23/2008 15:52:45
Quote by wickedpam:
Its been very quiet today Liv - I wouldn't worry about it :hug:
Did our happy couple from the ATL vanish?
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/23/2008 15:56:04
I think they are out voting
Grumpymann on 10/23/2008 15:56:04
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
Its been very quiet today Liv - I wouldn't worry about it :hug:
Did our happy couple from the ATL vanish?
I think they are out voting
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 16:01:18
If any of the early voting states are an indication they will be gone for a while.
livingonli on 10/23/2008 16:01:18
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
Its been very quiet today Liv - I wouldn't worry about it :hug:
Did our happy couple from the ATL vanish?
I think they are out voting
If any of the early voting states are an indication they will be gone for a while.
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 16:02:25
They said they were voting...but that was hours ago. Hope they didn't get renditioned, or something.
I'm always afraid that I'll be hauled off mid-senten
TriSec on 10/23/2008 16:02:25
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
Its been very quiet today Liv - I wouldn't worry about it :hug:
Did our happy couple from the ATL vanish?
They said they were voting...but that was hours ago. Hope they didn't get renditioned, or something.
I'm always afraid that I'll be hauled off mid-senten
Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2008 16:09:27
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 16:09:27
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 16:33:55
Raine on 10/23/2008 16:33:55
We are Back and proudly sporting our "I voted" stickers!!!
:party:
And guess who was in line with us?
Jennifer Holliday!
:party:
And guess who was in line with us?
Jennifer Holliday!
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 16:36:40
In that picture of NC included in the diary, wrong shade of blue. It's NC after all. Carolina blue would be more appropriate. :)
Hello all. something was eaten that has been arguing with I, Mondo.
I was rattled out of the toasty nest of my bed by the US Navy. The annual airshow is this weekend. Tri, simmer down now.
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 16:36:40
Quote by Scoopster:
NC tire slashing morons CAUGHT!
In that picture of NC included in the diary, wrong shade of blue. It's NC after all. Carolina blue would be more appropriate. :)
Hello all. something was eaten that has been arguing with I, Mondo.
I was rattled out of the toasty nest of my bed by the US Navy. The annual airshow is this weekend. Tri, simmer down now.
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 16:37:09
Raine on 10/23/2008 16:37:09
It took us a little over an hour to vote, but the wait was fine, people were nice and excited.
I must say, I like early voting!
I must say, I like early voting!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 16:41:46
Coolness! As far as I am concerned, voting rocks!
I love to vote.
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 16:41:46
Quote by Raine:
We are Back and proudly sporting our "I voted" stickers!!!
:party:
And guess who was in line with us?
Jennifer Holliday!
Coolness! As far as I am concerned, voting rocks!
I love to vote.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 16:46:21
What is that 3 or 4 locally owned, been around for generations family bidnesses? I wish Jacksonville encouraged and cherished those. I live in if you translate it from the Seminole "Land of the franchised national chain operation."
Oh no more engines built by Tri's brother! :wacko:
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 16:46:21
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, ice cream.
Sadly, my hometown ice cream shop was sold a few years ago and is now...a Dunkin' Donuts.
The really good one here in Waltham sold out years ago and is now high-priced houses nobody can afford.
Dairy Joy in Weston (better known for their fried clams, actually) and Cabot's in Newton are still in business.
But then there's Richardson's in Middleton, MA....they front a dairy farm, the cows are out back. Now that's good ice cream!
What is that 3 or 4 locally owned, been around for generations family bidnesses? I wish Jacksonville encouraged and cherished those. I live in if you translate it from the Seminole "Land of the franchised national chain operation."
Oh no more engines built by Tri's brother! :wacko:
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 16:48:47
livingonli on 10/23/2008 16:48:47
The one thing I liked when I would go out to the East End is that there were no chains once you got past Bridgehampton other than supermarkets and gas stations. There aren't even fast food restaurants out in that area of Long Island. I also know many people felt it was the end of an era when Kmart opened in Manhattan (there is still one in Penn Station).
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 16:55:52
Raine on 10/23/2008 16:55:52
Conservates talk about Why they'll vote for Obama. Pretty powerful, imo.
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 10/23/2008 17:08:05
IzzyBitz on 10/23/2008 17:08:05
I bought batteries at that K-Mart. What a dump!
I think it was the end of an era when Times Square became Las Vegas Strip East. When they cleaned it up and opened some nice restaurants, it was fine, but now it's obnoxious with the stores and the flaven. It was much more fascinating when it was creepy and scary.
I think it was the end of an era when Times Square became Las Vegas Strip East. When they cleaned it up and opened some nice restaurants, it was fine, but now it's obnoxious with the stores and the flaven. It was much more fascinating when it was creepy and scary.
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 17:12:34
livingonli on 10/23/2008 17:12:34
Gentrification and the chain stores/restaurants have sucked the life from Manhattan. I even miss the old out of town newstand that used to be in Times Square that was a good place to see newspapers and magazines from other places.
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 17:12:50
Sound of freedom, dude! :metal:
Bah. Maybe I'll write President Obama and see if we can get a tactical fighter wing transferred to Hanscom Air Force Base. Maybe these boobs will shut the fuck up.
(You know the type. They moved into town and discovered to their horror that there is a working airport there. So they're trying to shut it down.)
TriSec on 10/23/2008 17:12:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh no more engines built by Tri's brother! :wacko:
Sound of freedom, dude! :metal:
Bah. Maybe I'll write President Obama and see if we can get a tactical fighter wing transferred to Hanscom Air Force Base. Maybe these boobs will shut the fuck up.
(You know the type. They moved into town and discovered to their horror that there is a working airport there. So they're trying to shut it down.)
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 17:14:00
I am well aware of that
Random on 10/23/2008 17:14:00
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
honey!
It's the kind of comment only Kevin in DC can get away with.
it was the tone really not the word
I am well aware of that
Comment by 
BobR on 10/23/2008 17:16:17
Just a short walk from us is Paolo's Gelato. Yes, that's the fancy stuff, VERY librul-elite... and delish... and - sadly - expensive. We also have Zestos, although that's kind of a chain. I love getting their chocolate malts, and love that they have a "Heckuva Job Brownie" sundae on the menu. Gorins, Jakes, and Greenwood all used to be local "chains" (if you can call <10 stores a chain), but Gorin's stopped doing ice cream (now just sandwiches), and Greenwoods became a wholesaler. There's still a few Jake's around; they like to specialize in strange flavors ("chocolate slap yo mamma" is delish).
BobR on 10/23/2008 17:16:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
What is that 3 or 4 locally owned, been around for generations family bidnesses? I wish Jacksonville encouraged and cherished those. I live in if you translate it from the Seminole "Land of the franchised national chain operation."
Oh no more engines built by Tri's brother! :wacko:
Just a short walk from us is Paolo's Gelato. Yes, that's the fancy stuff, VERY librul-elite... and delish... and - sadly - expensive. We also have Zestos, although that's kind of a chain. I love getting their chocolate malts, and love that they have a "Heckuva Job Brownie" sundae on the menu. Gorins, Jakes, and Greenwood all used to be local "chains" (if you can call <10 stores a chain), but Gorin's stopped doing ice cream (now just sandwiches), and Greenwoods became a wholesaler. There's still a few Jake's around; they like to specialize in strange flavors ("chocolate slap yo mamma" is delish).
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 17:16:46
livingonli on 10/23/2008 17:16:46
:yadda: 
Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2008 17:17:44
Ahh.. I'll always have fond memories of going to see Phantom of The Opera, then as we were getting back on the bus to go home watching the crackhead get a bj from a hooker.
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 17:17:44
Quote by IzzyBitz:
I bought batteries at that K-Mart. What a dump!
I think it was the end of an era when Times Square became Las Vegas Strip East. When they cleaned it up and opened some nice restaurants, it was fine, but now it's obnoxious with the stores and the flaven. It was much more fascinating when it was creepy and scary.
Ahh.. I'll always have fond memories of going to see Phantom of The Opera, then as we were getting back on the bus to go home watching the crackhead get a bj from a hooker.
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 17:17:53
That was the response I was giving to the right-wing caller before my desktop connection crapped out.
livingonli on 10/23/2008 17:17:53
Quote by livingonli:
:yadda:
That was the response I was giving to the right-wing caller before my desktop connection crapped out.
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 17:20:08
Good times, good times...
Raine on 10/23/2008 17:20:08
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by IzzyBitz:
I bought batteries at that K-Mart. What a dump!
I think it was the end of an era when Times Square became Las Vegas Strip East. When they cleaned it up and opened some nice restaurants, it was fine, but now it's obnoxious with the stores and the flaven. It was much more fascinating when it was creepy and scary.
Ahh.. I'll always have fond memories of going to see Phantom of The Opera, then as we were getting back on the bus to go home watching the crackhead get a bj from a hooker.
Good times, good times...
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 10/23/2008 17:27:23
trojanrabbit on 10/23/2008 17:27:23
B-b-b-but Michele Obama is an ELITIST because she goes to a fashion designer you have to make an APPOINTMENT for.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 17:28:57
Yes we walked by the Gelato place you & Raine said how nummy it was yet expensive. I've got nuttin' against a local place that has multiple locations. I just find it disheartening that almost every restaurant with prime main drag frontage is as follows in order of distance to my house north to Bay Meadows Road: Chili's, Bonefish Grill, Village Inn, Outback, Carrabba's, Starbuck's and finally a Hooters. The Timcuan word for my area of Jacksonville translates as land of strip malls.
In some of the strip malls there some excellent local places. Renna's pizza, the mom & pop Korean place, Hong Kong Bistro (best lemon chicken ever).
Getting back to the ice cream discussion, there is one place to get ice cream around here. That is the Brenner's down the street. Good ice cream, but alas a chain franchise.
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 17:28:57
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
What is that 3 or 4 locally owned, been around for generations family bidnesses? I wish Jacksonville encouraged and cherished those. I live in if you translate it from the Seminole "Land of the franchised national chain operation."
Oh no more engines built by Tri's brother! :wacko:
Just a short walk from us is Paolo's Gelato. Yes, that's the fancy stuff, VERY librul-elite... and delish... and - sadly - expensive. We also have Zestos, although that's kind of a chain. I love getting their chocolate malts, and love that they have a "Heckuva Job Brownie" sundae on the menu. Gorins, Jakes, and Greenwood all used to be local "chains" (if you can call <10 stores a chain), but Gorin's stopped doing ice cream (now just sandwiches), and Greenwoods became a wholesaler. There's still a few Jake's around; they like to specialize in strange flavors ("chocolate slap yo mamma" is delish).
Yes we walked by the Gelato place you & Raine said how nummy it was yet expensive. I've got nuttin' against a local place that has multiple locations. I just find it disheartening that almost every restaurant with prime main drag frontage is as follows in order of distance to my house north to Bay Meadows Road: Chili's, Bonefish Grill, Village Inn, Outback, Carrabba's, Starbuck's and finally a Hooters. The Timcuan word for my area of Jacksonville translates as land of strip malls.
In some of the strip malls there some excellent local places. Renna's pizza, the mom & pop Korean place, Hong Kong Bistro (best lemon chicken ever).
Getting back to the ice cream discussion, there is one place to get ice cream around here. That is the Brenner's down the street. Good ice cream, but alas a chain franchise.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2008 17:30:30
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 17:30:30
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 17:34:29
Shiiiit. Obama resoles his shoes instead of getting new ones. What kind of elitist does that?
Random on 10/23/2008 17:34:29
Quote by trojanrabbit:
B-b-b-but Michele Obama is an ELITIST because she goes to a fashion designer you have to make an APPOINTMENT for.
Shiiiit. Obama resoles his shoes instead of getting new ones. What kind of elitist does that?
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 17:45:10
TriSec on 10/23/2008 17:45:10
*grunt*
United Healthcare blows.
"Rapid Response Team" my ass. Pick up the damn phone, then! (15 minutes on hold; abandoned call.)
United Healthcare blows.
"Rapid Response Team" my ass. Pick up the damn phone, then! (15 minutes on hold; abandoned call.)
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 17:52:19
UHC! My former nemesis! I, Mondo spent a lot of time on the phone with them when Mrs Mondo was sick. I was on a first name basis with the case manager.
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 17:52:19
Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
United Healthcare blows.
"Rapid Response Team" my ass. Pick up the damn phone, then! (15 minutes on hold; abandoned call.)
UHC! My former nemesis! I, Mondo spent a lot of time on the phone with them when Mrs Mondo was sick. I was on a first name basis with the case manager.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 17:53:14
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 17:53:14
Tri does UHC just blow or does it blow goats?
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 17:54:00
Random on 10/23/2008 17:54:00
oh oh oh. Random forgot
McCain and the RNC are running ads on South Florida's Progressive Talk station.
*laughs* It's a waist of cash, people are listening to Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartman, Randi Rhodes, and during the commercials saying Obama will steal your money.
McCain and the RNC are running ads on South Florida's Progressive Talk station.
*laughs* It's a waist of cash, people are listening to Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartman, Randi Rhodes, and during the commercials saying Obama will steal your money.
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 17:54:28
TriSec on 10/23/2008 17:54:28
Nah, it just blows. There's worse payors out there.
coughCignacough.
coughCignacough.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2008 17:55:21
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 17:55:21
Tri, what's your take on Tufts' health plans? We just got access to them down here as an alternative to BCBSRI and United and I was wondering if they're better than my current plan.
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 17:55:56
TriSec on 10/23/2008 17:55:56
Come on Random, out with it. You're hanging around the TriSec family compound in Lake Worth, aren't you?
(Mama TriSec about to head down for a part of the season soon...she'll be back for the holidays.)
(Mama TriSec about to head down for a part of the season soon...she'll be back for the holidays.)
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 17:56:00
Funny that, eh?
I bet that dress is sitting in a closet covered in that nice dry cleaner plastic ready for another 'Special" occasion.
you see that is the difference, Michelle has dresses for 'SPECIAL' occasions, Sarah just orgied out in a gluttonous spree.
Raine on 10/23/2008 17:56:00
Quote by trojanrabbit:
B-b-b-but Michele Obama is an ELITIST because she goes to a fashion designer you have to make an APPOINTMENT for.
I bet that dress is sitting in a closet covered in that nice dry cleaner plastic ready for another 'Special" occasion.
you see that is the difference, Michelle has dresses for 'SPECIAL' occasions, Sarah just orgied out in a gluttonous spree.
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 17:57:27
*embarrassed innocent look*
Random doesn't know where Lake Worth is...
Random on 10/23/2008 17:57:27
Quote by TriSec:
Come on Random, out with it. You're hanging around the TriSec family compound in Lake Worth, aren't you?
(Mama TriSec about to head down for a part of the season soon...she'll be back for the holidays.)
*embarrassed innocent look*
Random doesn't know where Lake Worth is...
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 18:00:42
TriSec on 10/23/2008 18:00:42
Tufts is in the middle of a financial crisis; they've laid off dozens of workers and have downsized several departments.
They have a very high turnover in customer service and claim processing areas, and they are very slow to pay claims and are difficult to deal with.
Benefits are pretty standard; I don't think they cover any more or less than anyone else. I haven't had them in years, so I can't say how their copay and deductible structure is.
I can see if I can get more dirt from Mrs. TriSec, who worked for them. But then again, I can see them from my office window (no, really!) so I am an expert on this payor.
I'd refer you to Athena's "Payerview" for more info, but the website seems down at the moment.
They have a very high turnover in customer service and claim processing areas, and they are very slow to pay claims and are difficult to deal with.
Benefits are pretty standard; I don't think they cover any more or less than anyone else. I haven't had them in years, so I can't say how their copay and deductible structure is.
I can see if I can get more dirt from Mrs. TriSec, who worked for them. But then again, I can see them from my office window (no, really!) so I am an expert on this payor.
I'd refer you to Athena's "Payerview" for more info, but the website seems down at the moment.
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 18:00:51
I will say She's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't with the clothes. WE don't honestly expect a political candidate not to dress up. That being said, her image is the low down Wal-Mart shopper. But she can't get on stage with Wal-Mart Clothes.
The Image is bad, but as a political reality, it's what is done.
Random on 10/23/2008 18:00:51
Quote by Raine:Funny that, eh?Quote by trojanrabbit:
B-b-b-but Michele Obama is an ELITIST because she goes to a fashion designer you have to make an APPOINTMENT for.
I bet that dress is sitting in a closet covered in that nice dry cleaner plastic ready for another 'Special" occasion.
you see that is the difference, Michelle has dresses for 'SPECIAL' occasions, Sarah just orgied out in a gluttonous spree.
I will say She's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't with the clothes. WE don't honestly expect a political candidate not to dress up. That being said, her image is the low down Wal-Mart shopper. But she can't get on stage with Wal-Mart Clothes.
The Image is bad, but as a political reality, it's what is done.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:02:05
Scoop, you've got health insurance? Good on ya!
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:02:05
Quote by Scoopster:
Tri, what's your take on Tufts' health plans? We just got access to them down here as an alternative to BCBSRI and United and I was wondering if they're better than my current plan.
Scoop, you've got health insurance? Good on ya!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:08:03
Who doesn't have a high turn over in customer service? It is shitty demeaning way to earn a living. No freedom of action or thought. Constant stress that you are not meeting those all important "metrics." It blows, blows goats.
John Stewart...the Palins...family of grifters.
:rofl:
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:08:03
Quote by TriSec:
Tufts is in the middle of a financial crisis; they've laid off dozens of workers and have downsized several departments.
They have a very high turnover in customer service and claim processing areas, and they are very slow to pay claims and are difficult to deal with.
Benefits are pretty standard; I don't think they cover any more or less than anyone else. I haven't had them in years, so I can't say how their copay and deductible structure is.
I can see if I can get more dirt from Mrs. TriSec, who worked for them. But then again, I can see them from my office window (no, really!) so I am an expert on this payor.
I'd refer you to Athena's "Payerview" for more info, but the website seems down at the moment.
Who doesn't have a high turn over in customer service? It is shitty demeaning way to earn a living. No freedom of action or thought. Constant stress that you are not meeting those all important "metrics." It blows, blows goats.
John Stewart...the Palins...family of grifters.
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 18:25:47
Raine on 10/23/2008 18:25:47
McCain attack ads done by hollywood Directors...
(have I mentioned I LOVE Wes Anderson?)
(have I mentioned I LOVE Wes Anderson?)
What would happen if John McCain, his electoral fortunes sagging, hired an acclaimed film director to shoot an attack ad? That's the question answered by this satiric video that's been making the rounds today, in which McCain's message is reconstructed through the lens of auteurs like John Woo, Kevin Smith and Wes Anderson.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2008 18:27:40
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 18:27:40
Jeez these assholes don't ever take a break from fucking over the taxpayers.
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 18:31:12
Random confused...
Those were parodies of McCain attack ads, done in the style of those directors, not done by those directors themselves, right?
Random on 10/23/2008 18:31:12
Quote by Raine:
McCain attack ads done by hollywood Directors...
(have I mentioned I LOVE Wes Anderson?)From HuffPo: What would happen if John McCain, his electoral fortunes sagging, hired an acclaimed film director to shoot an attack ad? That's the question answered by this satiric video that's been making the rounds today, in which McCain's message is reconstructed through the lens of auteurs like John Woo, Kevin Smith and Wes Anderson.
Random confused...
Those were parodies of McCain attack ads, done in the style of those directors, not done by those directors themselves, right?
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 18:34:01
Cablevision uses UHC and that's who I have insurance through.
livingonli on 10/23/2008 18:34:01
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
United Healthcare blows.
"Rapid Response Team" my ass. Pick up the damn phone, then! (15 minutes on hold; abandoned call.)
UHC! My former nemesis! I, Mondo spent a lot of time on the phone with them when Mrs Mondo was sick. I was on a first name basis with the case manager.
Cablevision uses UHC and that's who I have insurance through.
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 18:34:17
I have no prblem with a person dressing to look nice. None at all, and that was why I posted that video, it's the mindset that really disturbs me.
the mindset of entitlement on the dole of people who actually REALLY donated money to support the RNC, only to find out it went for a friggin' shopping spreee.
Look at it this was, the Obama's PAID for their own clothes. Sarah Palin should have been able to do that as well... Thsi to me is just not excusable.
She isn't My Fair Lady. And to tell you the truth, I saw pictures of Sarah when she was gov, and even Mayor, she dressed just fine. The RNC decided to tart her up.
Raine on 10/23/2008 18:34:17
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:Funny that, eh?Quote by trojanrabbit:
B-b-b-but Michele Obama is an ELITIST because she goes to a fashion designer you have to make an APPOINTMENT for.
I bet that dress is sitting in a closet covered in that nice dry cleaner plastic ready for another 'Special" occasion.
you see that is the difference, Michelle has dresses for 'SPECIAL' occasions, Sarah just orgied out in a gluttonous spree.
I will say She's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't with the clothes. WE don't honestly expect a political candidate not to dress up. That being said, her image is the low down Wal-Mart shopper. But she can't get on stage with Wal-Mart Clothes.
The Image is bad, but as a political reality, it's what is done.
the mindset of entitlement on the dole of people who actually REALLY donated money to support the RNC, only to find out it went for a friggin' shopping spreee.
Look at it this was, the Obama's PAID for their own clothes. Sarah Palin should have been able to do that as well... Thsi to me is just not excusable.
She isn't My Fair Lady. And to tell you the truth, I saw pictures of Sarah when she was gov, and even Mayor, she dressed just fine. The RNC decided to tart her up.
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 18:40:31
livingonli on 10/23/2008 18:40:31
If anyone is getting pimped out, it is Sarah Palin.
And now it's time for me to go get my hair cut.
And now it's time for me to go get my hair cut.
Comment by MMB on 10/23/2008 18:42:22
MMB on 10/23/2008 18:42:22
Same old Back when 
Back when
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/23/2008 18:45:07
If Sarah's handlers feel they need to spend the money to 'tart her up', fine. I wonder how much of that 150K is going towards Bristol's maternity wear.
But if you're going to throw a fit over a $400 haircut, the only proper response to a 150K wardrobe is to have your head 'asplode.
trojanrabbit on 10/23/2008 18:45:07
Quote by Raine:I have no prblem with a person dressing to look nice. None at all, and that was why I posted that video, it's the mindset that really disturbs me.Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:Funny that, eh?Quote by trojanrabbit:
B-b-b-but Michele Obama is an ELITIST because she goes to a fashion designer you have to make an APPOINTMENT for.
I bet that dress is sitting in a closet covered in that nice dry cleaner plastic ready for another 'Special" occasion.
you see that is the difference, Michelle has dresses for 'SPECIAL' occasions, Sarah just orgied out in a gluttonous spree.
I will say She's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't with the clothes. WE don't honestly expect a political candidate not to dress up. That being said, her image is the low down Wal-Mart shopper. But she can't get on stage with Wal-Mart Clothes.
The Image is bad, but as a political reality, it's what is done.
the mindset of entitlement on the dole of people who actually REALLY donated money to support the RNC, only to find out it went for a friggin' shopping spreee.
Look at it this was, the Obama's PAID for their own clothes. Sarah Palin should have been able to do that as well... Thsi to me is just not excusable.
She isn't My Fair Lady. And to tell you the truth, I saw pictures of Sarah when she was gov, and even Mayor, she dressed just fine. The RNC decided to tart her up.
If Sarah's handlers feel they need to spend the money to 'tart her up', fine. I wonder how much of that 150K is going towards Bristol's maternity wear.
But if you're going to throw a fit over a $400 haircut, the only proper response to a 150K wardrobe is to have your head 'asplode.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:45:14
Kevin Smith What, no Quiten Tarentino?
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:45:14
Quote by Raine:
McCain attack ads done by hollywood Directors...
(have I mentioned I LOVE Wes Anderson?)From HuffPo: What would happen if John McCain, his electoral fortunes sagging, hired an acclaimed film director to shoot an attack ad? That's the question answered by this satiric video that's been making the rounds today, in which McCain's message is reconstructed through the lens of auteurs like John Woo, Kevin Smith and Wes Anderson.
Kevin Smith
What, no Quiten Tarentino?
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 18:50:41
I have a feeling there is more to come. Scorcese... Howard... Quinten...
The possibilites are ENDLESS!
Raine on 10/23/2008 18:50:41
Quote by Mondobubba:
Kevin Smith
I have a feeling there is more to come. Scorcese... Howard... Quinten...
The possibilites are ENDLESS!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:51:15
The coverage I had with AOL was top notch. I had not complaint with the level of co-pay, there was no lifetime max, no outrageous out pocket or the crap you expect, but when push came to shove and Mrs Mondo wasn't showing any post stroke improvement on their schedule, they couldn't get rid of her fast enough.
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:51:15
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
United Healthcare blows.
"Rapid Response Team" my ass. Pick up the damn phone, then! (15 minutes on hold; abandoned call.)
UHC! My former nemesis! I, Mondo spent a lot of time on the phone with them when Mrs Mondo was sick. I was on a first name basis with the case manager.
Cablevision uses UHC and that's who I have insurance through.
The coverage I had with AOL was top notch. I had not complaint with the level of co-pay, there was no lifetime max, no outrageous out pocket or the crap you expect, but when push came to shove and Mrs Mondo wasn't showing any post stroke improvement on their schedule, they couldn't get rid of her fast enough.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:52:32
Mondobubba on 10/23/2008 18:52:32
Don't people like David Frum watch the Colbert Report before they go on?
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 18:56:24
...There are times I'm greatly disappointed in the people here...
This is a NONISSUE! just as the $400 haircut is a NONISSUE.
The money that you donate to these campaigns GO to things like clothes, and food, and fuel, and all sorts of shit, that as an average citizen if you knew, you wouldn't donate.
Yes, there is a hypocrisy in image here, but the same could easily be applied to Edwards. And it is certain and hypocrisy of the right for finding the haircut a problem and not this. But as well a hypocrisy of the left for decrying the right for their attack of Edwards, but more than willing to attack Palin over a real bullshit issue.
Random on 10/23/2008 18:56:24
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:I have no prblem with a person dressing to look nice. None at all, and that was why I posted that video, it's the mindset that really disturbs me.Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:Funny that, eh?Quote by trojanrabbit:
B-b-b-but Michele Obama is an ELITIST because she goes to a fashion designer you have to make an APPOINTMENT for.
I bet that dress is sitting in a closet covered in that nice dry cleaner plastic ready for another 'Special" occasion.
you see that is the difference, Michelle has dresses for 'SPECIAL' occasions, Sarah just orgied out in a gluttonous spree.
I will say She's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't with the clothes. WE don't honestly expect a political candidate not to dress up. That being said, her image is the low down Wal-Mart shopper. But she can't get on stage with Wal-Mart Clothes.
The Image is bad, but as a political reality, it's what is done.
the mindset of entitlement on the dole of people who actually REALLY donated money to support the RNC, only to find out it went for a friggin' shopping spreee.
Look at it this was, the Obama's PAID for their own clothes. Sarah Palin should have been able to do that as well... Thsi to me is just not excusable.
She isn't My Fair Lady. And to tell you the truth, I saw pictures of Sarah when she was gov, and even Mayor, she dressed just fine. The RNC decided to tart her up.
If Sarah's handlers feel they need to spend the money to 'tart her up', fine. I wonder how much of that 150K is going towards Bristol's maternity wear.
But if you're going to throw a fit over a $400 haircut, the only proper response to a 150K wardrobe is to have your head 'asplode.
...There are times I'm greatly disappointed in the people here...
This is a NONISSUE! just as the $400 haircut is a NONISSUE.
The money that you donate to these campaigns GO to things like clothes, and food, and fuel, and all sorts of shit, that as an average citizen if you knew, you wouldn't donate.
Yes, there is a hypocrisy in image here, but the same could easily be applied to Edwards. And it is certain and hypocrisy of the right for finding the haircut a problem and not this. But as well a hypocrisy of the left for decrying the right for their attack of Edwards, but more than willing to attack Palin over a real bullshit issue.
Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2008 18:57:33
Probably not. I wonder if he hangs out with the people who don't get the joke and think he's an actual conservative.
livingonli on 10/23/2008 18:57:33
Quote by Mondobubba:
Don't people like David Frum watch the Colbert Report before they go on?
Probably not. I wonder if he hangs out with the people who don't get the joke and think he's an actual conservative.
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 19:07:16
Raine on 10/23/2008 19:07:16
OK... I said in my blog today, that we could talk about sarah palin's tax problems regarding her clothing at a later date. I was wrong... From the McCain Fiengold act of 2002:
`SEC. 313. USE OF CONTRIBUTED AMOUNTS FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES.
`(a) PERMITTED USES- A contribution accepted by a candidate, and any other donation received by an individual as support for activities of the individual as a holder of Federal office, may be used by the candidate or individual--
`(1) for otherwise authorized expenditures in connection with the campaign for Federal office of the candidate or individual;
`(2) for ordinary and necessary expenses incurred in connection with duties of the individual as a holder of Federal office;
`(3) for contributions to an organization described in section 170© of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986; or
`(4) for transfers, without limitation, to a national, State, or local committee of a political party.
`(b) PROHIBITED USE-
`(1) IN GENERAL- A contribution or donation described in subsection (a) shall not be converted by any person to personal use.
`(2) CONVERSION- For the purposes of paragraph (1), a contribution or donation shall be considered to be converted to personal use if the contribution or amount is used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate's election campaign or individual's duties as a holder of Federal office, including--
`(A) a home mortgage, rent, or utility payment;
`(B) a clothing purchase;
`© a noncampaign-related automobile expense;
`(D) a country club membership;
`(E) a vacation or other noncampaign-related trip;
`(F) a household food item;
`(G) a tuition payment;
`(H) admission to a sporting event, concert, theater, or other form of entertainment not associated with an election campaign; and
`(I) dues, fees, and other payments to a health club or recreational facility.'.
=========================
And this is the nutter to seal the deal, I believe:
Sec. 323
`(a) NATIONAL COMMITTEES-
`(1) IN GENERAL- A national committee of a political party (including a national congressional campaign committee of a political party) may not solicit, receive, or direct to another person a contribution, donation, or transfer of funds or any other thing of value, or spend any funds, that are not subject to the limitations, prohibitions, and reporting requirements of this Act.
`(2) APPLICABILITY- The prohibition established by paragraph (1) applies to any such national committee, any officer or agent acting on behalf of such a national committee, and any entity that is directly or indirectly established, financed, maintained, or controlled by such a national committee.
=========================
No wonder Johnny Gramps is so testy about the leather jacket.
`SEC. 313. USE OF CONTRIBUTED AMOUNTS FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES.
`(a) PERMITTED USES- A contribution accepted by a candidate, and any other donation received by an individual as support for activities of the individual as a holder of Federal office, may be used by the candidate or individual--
`(1) for otherwise authorized expenditures in connection with the campaign for Federal office of the candidate or individual;
`(2) for ordinary and necessary expenses incurred in connection with duties of the individual as a holder of Federal office;
`(3) for contributions to an organization described in section 170© of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986; or
`(4) for transfers, without limitation, to a national, State, or local committee of a political party.
`(b) PROHIBITED USE-
`(1) IN GENERAL- A contribution or donation described in subsection (a) shall not be converted by any person to personal use.
`(2) CONVERSION- For the purposes of paragraph (1), a contribution or donation shall be considered to be converted to personal use if the contribution or amount is used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate's election campaign or individual's duties as a holder of Federal office, including--
`(A) a home mortgage, rent, or utility payment;
`(B) a clothing purchase;
`© a noncampaign-related automobile expense;
`(D) a country club membership;
`(E) a vacation or other noncampaign-related trip;
`(F) a household food item;
`(G) a tuition payment;
`(H) admission to a sporting event, concert, theater, or other form of entertainment not associated with an election campaign; and
`(I) dues, fees, and other payments to a health club or recreational facility.'.
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And this is the nutter to seal the deal, I believe:
Sec. 323
`(a) NATIONAL COMMITTEES-
`(1) IN GENERAL- A national committee of a political party (including a national congressional campaign committee of a political party) may not solicit, receive, or direct to another person a contribution, donation, or transfer of funds or any other thing of value, or spend any funds, that are not subject to the limitations, prohibitions, and reporting requirements of this Act.
`(2) APPLICABILITY- The prohibition established by paragraph (1) applies to any such national committee, any officer or agent acting on behalf of such a national committee, and any entity that is directly or indirectly established, financed, maintained, or controlled by such a national committee.
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No wonder Johnny Gramps is so testy about the leather jacket.
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2008 19:12:52
TriSec on 10/23/2008 19:12:52
Oh, silly Raine. Why would the law matter to these people?
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 19:13:25
Raine on 10/23/2008 19:13:25
Random, (you know I love you, right?) I must make this clear... this IS an issue, a serious issue.
Sarah spent more on clothes that a 3 year salary for many police officers in this country.
THAT is what makes this so serious. Plus, it seems as tho she broke the very law that McCain wrote. That makes it even MORE serious.
Americans are losing their life saving as we sit here, and the RNC seems to think that dressing up Sarah is well worht the money. This is a LOT different than a haircut (and that I was NOT happy about either, btw) -- but come on, this is the party that is telling us that Obama is a terrorist socialist baby killer... and they think it's ok to spend THAT kind of money?
Once again, I ask, how many children would that have fed? how many kids would have been able to afford say -- health insurance? pay bills? get out of debt?
it is a very serious issue to me. Ed the policeman would have to work nearly a year to spend the money that woman spent in a month.
Sarah spent more on clothes that a 3 year salary for many police officers in this country.
THAT is what makes this so serious. Plus, it seems as tho she broke the very law that McCain wrote. That makes it even MORE serious.
Americans are losing their life saving as we sit here, and the RNC seems to think that dressing up Sarah is well worht the money. This is a LOT different than a haircut (and that I was NOT happy about either, btw) -- but come on, this is the party that is telling us that Obama is a terrorist socialist baby killer... and they think it's ok to spend THAT kind of money?
Once again, I ask, how many children would that have fed? how many kids would have been able to afford say -- health insurance? pay bills? get out of debt?
it is a very serious issue to me. Ed the policeman would have to work nearly a year to spend the money that woman spent in a month.
Comment by Raine on 10/23/2008 19:29:18
Raine on 10/23/2008 19:29:18
I kilt the blog.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 10/23/2008 19:33:54
m-hadley on 10/23/2008 19:33:54
Heya Kids,
Just dropping in to say "hey" - I'm back from the Casino/Conference for a couple hours, catching up on my e-mail. Just wanted to check in and let you all know that I am still alive and kicking here in red(neck) Okie-ville. Congrats to Raine and BobR for voting - me, I'm voting on Monday, November 3rd so that I can spend Tuesday, November 4th giving people rides to the polls. Raine, I think that you are definitely on to something RE: the outlandish clothes-buying spree that Caribou Barbie was treated to courtesy of the RNC. It clearly smells to high heaven :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Just dropping in to say "hey" - I'm back from the Casino/Conference for a couple hours, catching up on my e-mail. Just wanted to check in and let you all know that I am still alive and kicking here in red(neck) Okie-ville. Congrats to Raine and BobR for voting - me, I'm voting on Monday, November 3rd so that I can spend Tuesday, November 4th giving people rides to the polls. Raine, I think that you are definitely on to something RE: the outlandish clothes-buying spree that Caribou Barbie was treated to courtesy of the RNC. It clearly smells to high heaven :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 19:34:30
Random on 10/23/2008 19:34:30
If you're argument was that she broke campaign reform laws, it would be an issue. If that was the Media seemed to care about, it'd be an issue.
But all I'm seeing, and hearing, it's bad that all this money is spend because of some perceived hypocrisy.
I'm confused about how you can equate the attacks on Obama about terrorist and socialist with a hypocrisy of spending money? They aren't attacking Obama for spending millions on clothes. If they were attacking Edwards, it would be hypocrisy. (which in a sense it is, because he was attacked, but that's neither here nor there)
I have no response to the questions about debts, and getting children fed, because i think it's unfair that you brought that up. It's an end all be all, and some how I (editorial I) would be a monster for buying something for myself instead of spending it on others.
And if "Ed the Policeman" was sending his year salary to pay for it, I'd be pissed. But he's not. Fat Cats are donating $100,000s a piece to that campaign, and if they're wasting their money on bullshit, let them. I personally think you should be more pissed about them wasting money and ad time on staunch liberal stations than about spending money on clothes to look good and create an image for the voters.
And i will stay that it's a nonissue. It's just as much as a nonissue when Edwards got his hair cut.
But then again, maybe i care more about healthcare, and social security then i care about what a slut wears on stage.
But all I'm seeing, and hearing, it's bad that all this money is spend because of some perceived hypocrisy.
I'm confused about how you can equate the attacks on Obama about terrorist and socialist with a hypocrisy of spending money? They aren't attacking Obama for spending millions on clothes. If they were attacking Edwards, it would be hypocrisy. (which in a sense it is, because he was attacked, but that's neither here nor there)
I have no response to the questions about debts, and getting children fed, because i think it's unfair that you brought that up. It's an end all be all, and some how I (editorial I) would be a monster for buying something for myself instead of spending it on others.
And if "Ed the Policeman" was sending his year salary to pay for it, I'd be pissed. But he's not. Fat Cats are donating $100,000s a piece to that campaign, and if they're wasting their money on bullshit, let them. I personally think you should be more pissed about them wasting money and ad time on staunch liberal stations than about spending money on clothes to look good and create an image for the voters.
And i will stay that it's a nonissue. It's just as much as a nonissue when Edwards got his hair cut.
But then again, maybe i care more about healthcare, and social security then i care about what a slut wears on stage.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2008 19:42:09
Scoopster on 10/23/2008 19:42:09
Great idea for an Obama ad to push back on the mystery donor bullshit..
"I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message."
Text: John McCain and the Republicans want to know what special interests donated $150 milllion to the Obama Campaign. We wanted to respond.
7-8 frames of varied individuals saying "I'm a special interest and I donated to Obama".
Then a mother with infant child.
Then A family of five.
A group of auto workers from Ohio.
Then some fellows in a Atlanta barbershop.
Then a group of people leaving church on Sunday in West Virginia.
Then the staff of the Wendy's in Evansville, IN.
Then the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.
Then a group of Iraq veterans and their families.
Then a group of college students at UNC.
Then a crowd of 35,000 shouts in unison... we are special interests and we donated to Barack Obama.
Text: The people of America are our special interest. What's yours, Senator McCain?
"I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message."
Text: John McCain and the Republicans want to know what special interests donated $150 milllion to the Obama Campaign. We wanted to respond.
7-8 frames of varied individuals saying "I'm a special interest and I donated to Obama".
Then a mother with infant child.
Then A family of five.
A group of auto workers from Ohio.
Then some fellows in a Atlanta barbershop.
Then a group of people leaving church on Sunday in West Virginia.
Then the staff of the Wendy's in Evansville, IN.
Then the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.
Then a group of Iraq veterans and their families.
Then a group of college students at UNC.
Then a crowd of 35,000 shouts in unison... we are special interests and we donated to Barack Obama.
Text: The people of America are our special interest. What's yours, Senator McCain?
Comment by BobR on 10/23/2008 20:08:57
I'm going to guess that Edwards spent his own personal money on the haircut, not campaign funds.
One way to look at this is to compare spending between the two candidates. Obama uses his personal funds and is thrifty. Palin uses other people's money, and spends obscene amounts.
Who would you rather have spending your tax dollars?
That's really what it boils down to.
BobR on 10/23/2008 20:08:57
Quote by Random:
If you're argument was that she broke campaign reform laws, it would be an issue. If that was the Media seemed to care about, it'd be an issue.
But all I'm seeing, and hearing, it's bad that all this money is spend because of some perceived hypocrisy.
I'm confused about how you can equate the attacks on Obama about terrorist and socialist with a hypocrisy of spending money? They aren't attacking Obama for spending millions on clothes. If they were attacking Edwards, it would be hypocrisy. (which in a sense it is, because he was attacked, but that's neither here nor there)
I have no response to the questions about debts, and getting children fed, because i think it's unfair that you brought that up. It's an end all be all, and some how I (editorial I) would be a monster for buying something for myself instead of spending it on others.
And if "Ed the Policeman" was sending his year salary to pay for it, I'd be pissed. But he's not. Fat Cats are donating $100,000s a piece to that campaign, and if they're wasting their money on bullshit, let them. I personally think you should be more pissed about them wasting money and ad time on staunch liberal stations than about spending money on clothes to look good and create an image for the voters.
And i will stay that it's a nonissue. It's just as much as a nonissue when Edwards got his hair cut.
But then again, maybe i care more about healthcare, and social security then i care about what a slut wears on stage.
I'm going to guess that Edwards spent his own personal money on the haircut, not campaign funds.
One way to look at this is to compare spending between the two candidates. Obama uses his personal funds and is thrifty. Palin uses other people's money, and spends obscene amounts.
Who would you rather have spending your tax dollars?
That's really what it boils down to.
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 20:37:23
You know what, Obama is not the rule. If it was Hillary, it would be the donations she was getting to pay for her out fits. Edwards, the same thing.
It's a pointless B.S. issue. Palin is a corrupt governor of a corrupt. Who doesn't even know what her job will be. Attack her on substance, rather than the bullshit the RNC dressed her up in.
I am staying by it's a bullshit issue, and as long as it's a major topic of this or any board, I will NOT be around.
Random on 10/23/2008 20:37:23
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
If you're argument was that she broke campaign reform laws, it would be an issue. If that was the Media seemed to care about, it'd be an issue.
But all I'm seeing, and hearing, it's bad that all this money is spend because of some perceived hypocrisy.
I'm confused about how you can equate the attacks on Obama about terrorist and socialist with a hypocrisy of spending money? They aren't attacking Obama for spending millions on clothes. If they were attacking Edwards, it would be hypocrisy. (which in a sense it is, because he was attacked, but that's neither here nor there)
I have no response to the questions about debts, and getting children fed, because i think it's unfair that you brought that up. It's an end all be all, and some how I (editorial I) would be a monster for buying something for myself instead of spending it on others.
And if "Ed the Policeman" was sending his year salary to pay for it, I'd be pissed. But he's not. Fat Cats are donating $100,000s a piece to that campaign, and if they're wasting their money on bullshit, let them. I personally think you should be more pissed about them wasting money and ad time on staunch liberal stations than about spending money on clothes to look good and create an image for the voters.
And i will stay that it's a nonissue. It's just as much as a nonissue when Edwards got his hair cut.
But then again, maybe i care more about healthcare, and social security then i care about what a slut wears on stage.
I'm going to guess that Edwards spent his own personal money on the haircut, not campaign funds.
One way to look at this is to compare spending between the two candidates. Obama uses his personal funds and is thrifty. Palin uses other people's money, and spends obscene amounts.
Who would you rather have spending your tax dollars?
That's really what it boils down to.
You know what, Obama is not the rule. If it was Hillary, it would be the donations she was getting to pay for her out fits. Edwards, the same thing.
It's a pointless B.S. issue. Palin is a corrupt governor of a corrupt. Who doesn't even know what her job will be. Attack her on substance, rather than the bullshit the RNC dressed her up in.
I am staying by it's a bullshit issue, and as long as it's a major topic of this or any board, I will NOT be around.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 10/23/2008 20:50:06
Uh, oh. Junior has his Hello Kitty panties in a wad!
IzzyBitz on 10/23/2008 20:50:06
Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
If you're argument was that she broke campaign reform laws, it would be an issue. If that was the Media seemed to care about, it'd be an issue.
But all I'm seeing, and hearing, it's bad that all this money is spend because of some perceived hypocrisy.
I'm confused about how you can equate the attacks on Obama about terrorist and socialist with a hypocrisy of spending money? They aren't attacking Obama for spending millions on clothes. If they were attacking Edwards, it would be hypocrisy. (which in a sense it is, because he was attacked, but that's neither here nor there)
I have no response to the questions about debts, and getting children fed, because i think it's unfair that you brought that up. It's an end all be all, and some how I (editorial I) would be a monster for buying something for myself instead of spending it on others.
And if "Ed the Policeman" was sending his year salary to pay for it, I'd be pissed. But he's not. Fat Cats are donating $100,000s a piece to that campaign, and if they're wasting their money on bullshit, let them. I personally think you should be more pissed about them wasting money and ad time on staunch liberal stations than about spending money on clothes to look good and create an image for the voters.
And i will stay that it's a nonissue. It's just as much as a nonissue when Edwards got his hair cut.
But then again, maybe i care more about healthcare, and social security then i care about what a slut wears on stage.
I'm going to guess that Edwards spent his own personal money on the haircut, not campaign funds.
One way to look at this is to compare spending between the two candidates. Obama uses his personal funds and is thrifty. Palin uses other people's money, and spends obscene amounts.
Who would you rather have spending your tax dollars?
That's really what it boils down to.
I am staying by it's a bullshit issue, and as long as it's a major topic of this or any board, I will NOT be around.
Uh, oh. Junior has his Hello Kitty panties in a wad!
Comment by Random on 10/23/2008 20:53:20
...
Fine
Random on 10/23/2008 20:53:20
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
If you're argument was that she broke campaign reform laws, it would be an issue. If that was the Media seemed to care about, it'd be an issue.
But all I'm seeing, and hearing, it's bad that all this money is spend because of some perceived hypocrisy.
I'm confused about how you can equate the attacks on Obama about terrorist and socialist with a hypocrisy of spending money? They aren't attacking Obama for spending millions on clothes. If they were attacking Edwards, it would be hypocrisy. (which in a sense it is, because he was attacked, but that's neither here nor there)
I have no response to the questions about debts, and getting children fed, because i think it's unfair that you brought that up. It's an end all be all, and some how I (editorial I) would be a monster for buying something for myself instead of spending it on others.
And if "Ed the Policeman" was sending his year salary to pay for it, I'd be pissed. But he's not. Fat Cats are donating $100,000s a piece to that campaign, and if they're wasting their money on bullshit, let them. I personally think you should be more pissed about them wasting money and ad time on staunch liberal stations than about spending money on clothes to look good and create an image for the voters.
And i will stay that it's a nonissue. It's just as much as a nonissue when Edwards got his hair cut.
But then again, maybe i care more about healthcare, and social security then i care about what a slut wears on stage.
I'm going to guess that Edwards spent his own personal money on the haircut, not campaign funds.
One way to look at this is to compare spending between the two candidates. Obama uses his personal funds and is thrifty. Palin uses other people's money, and spends obscene amounts.
Who would you rather have spending your tax dollars?
That's really what it boils down to.
I am staying by it's a bullshit issue, and as long as it's a major topic of this or any board, I will NOT be around.
Uh, oh. Junior has his Hello Kitty panties in a wad!
...
Fine
Comment by m-hadley on 10/24/2008 02:13:29
Scoop,
Forgive me, I've had a long day and am just now catching up with the blogosphere. I just had to tell you that I love your idea and I think that the Obama camp would be wise to snatch it up. It is brilliant and has so much potential for great and powerful visuals - way to go :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 10/24/2008 02:13:29
Quote by Scoopster:
Great idea for an Obama ad to push back on the mystery donor bullshit..
"I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message."
Text: John McCain and the Republicans want to know what special interests donated $150 milllion to the Obama Campaign. We wanted to respond.
7-8 frames of varied individuals saying "I'm a special interest and I donated to Obama".
Then a mother with infant child.
Then A family of five.
A group of auto workers from Ohio.
Then some fellows in a Atlanta barbershop.
Then a group of people leaving church on Sunday in West Virginia.
Then the staff of the Wendy's in Evansville, IN.
Then the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.
Then a group of Iraq veterans and their families.
Then a group of college students at UNC.
Then a crowd of 35,000 shouts in unison... we are special interests and we donated to Barack Obama.
Text: The people of America are our special interest. What's yours, Senator McCain?
Scoop,
Forgive me, I've had a long day and am just now catching up with the blogosphere. I just had to tell you that I love your idea and I think that the Obama camp would be wise to snatch it up. It is brilliant and has so much potential for great and powerful visuals - way to go :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama: