Quote by Raine:

Tri, it's looking like the Good bigots of Georgia may be working taking away even more rights from Gays. They were forwaring of a new proposition that may take the children away from Gay couples. I am trying to gather more information about that.

Quote by Raine:

Sure, Mondo-- The whole quote?

Quote by Mondobubba:

The roaming gangs of gays attacking Mormon women would only be savagly mocking the fashion sense of said women.

Quote by Raine:

Chris Hedges' book American Fascists:



I do not deny the right of Christian radicals to be, to believe and worship as they choose. But I will engage in a dialogue with those who deny my right to be, who delegitimize my faith and denounce my struggle before God as worthless. All dialogue must include respect and tolerance the beliefs, worth and dignity of others, including those outside the nation and faith. When this respect is denied, this clash ideologies to be merely a difference of opinion and becomes a fight for survival. This movement seeks, in the name of Christianity and American democracy, to destroy what it claims to defend. I do not believe that America with inevitably become a fascist state or that the Christian Right is the Nazi Party. But I do believe that the radical Christian Right is a sworn and potent enemy of the open society. Its ideology bears within it the tenents of a Christian fascism...the movement stands poised to manipulate fear and chaos ruthlessly and reshape America in ways that have not been seen since the nation's founding. All Americans-not only those of faith-who care about our open society must learn to speak about this movement with a new vocabulary, to give up passivity, to challenge this movement's deluded appropriation of Christianity and do everything possible to defend tolerance (Emphasis added). The attacks by this movement on the right and beliefs of Muslims, Jews, immigrants, gays, lesbians, women, scholars, scientists, those they dismiss as "nominal Christians," and those they brand with the curse of "secular humanism" are an attack on all of us, on our values, our freedoms, and ultimately our democracy. Tolerance is a virtue, but tolerance coupled with passivity is a vice (emphasis added).

Quote by wickedpam:

I don't think she is - I don't think anyone want's the big 3 to fail. it really is an industry we have to fight for I think but i have to wonder if years ago cafe standards were raised and the auto companies and oil company and all didn't fight them, would we be in this situation?

Quote by TriSec:

Cars....



2003 (Before the Dark Times, before the layoffs), and my old Chrysler was showing it's age. ('97 Dodge Stratus....great car, but hitting the nickel & dime phase.)



Anyway, I thought it was too small with a young child, so I was looking for a wagon.



ONLY Ford built one at the time; the Focus wagon. I didn't even look at that one...the options and accessories were junk, and at the time the Focus was having electrical problems and a few of them burst into flames.



The only other American option was an SUV or a Minivan, and I knew I didn't want (or need) either one of those.



So, it was on to Europe. I had my heart set on a VW Jetta Wagon...until on a whim I test-drove the Subaru.



All Wheel Drive, all the bells and whistles I wanted, and it was $2,000 less than the VW. Bought it that afternoon. (Of course, I was laid off a month later, but that's another story.)



So here I am 5 years later. I just replaced the battery...had to do two tires last year, and I'm in need of a new radio. (CD jammed in it.) But that's it. I go out, put the key in it, and it starts every time without a fuss.



So....



1. Everything I wanted and/or needed in it, no weird option packages or "surprise" costs



2. All-wheel drive, practically a necessity for New England.



3. Cost less than anything else comparable.



4. Not an SUV; I usually average between 25-30 mpg under most conditions.



5. Five years old and still in good shape...still starts every morning, even in the dead of winter.







So Ford, Chevy, and GM.....match that and we'll talk.

Quote by Random:

Yay, finally talking about something besides Prop 8.

Quote by wickedpam:

Raine - I agree they needed to move long ago, but you know how people have a hard time changing they wait until the absolute last minute to do so. I mean look at where we had to go as a country to get people to take a chance on change.



I'm mad about that electric car too - don't think I would have been had I not seem the movie. They shoot themselves in the foot and there would have been new jobs in new industries. It was shameful what they did.





Tri - my first car was Dodge 500, bought used, it was fairly good car but needed lots of work to maintain it by the time I got it. Second car Dodge Neon. I had a love/hate relationship with that car. It loved to spend my money and I hated being broken down on the side of the road.



My most reacent car - Hyndai - loved it. I've driven it over 100k miles and outside of burning through a lot of lights the car if really good on gas and pretty easy to maintain.



I would have prefered to buy from an American company but nothing they were producing met my needs and cost way too much for me to handle.