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It's not just No to H8
Author: Raine
Date: 11/17/2008 13:34:21
Now is the time to keep pushing forward. Now is the time to not give up, to not get complacent. Now is the time to be very aware of everything that is happening.
If a well organized group of people can use the Constitution to take away one group's rights , then who is next? It's a fair and valid question to ask, and not one without precident in America. We must ask this question because we are all in jeopardy of having what so many in our nation have fought for, taken away.
We went to our city's capitol building to stand beside our GBLT brothers and sisters in America to protest not only Prop 8, but all of the ballot initiatives that have gone before and are still to come in America. We stood against prop 2 in Florida, and we stood against Arizona and Arkansas, and even our own state that passed Constitutional Amendment 1 in 2004:
That ballot stripped away not only the rights of Gay couples, but also the rights of their children. Georgia has no work protection to people who are not hetrosexual.
In 2006, we had Arizona Prop 107, Colorado Prop 43, Alabama Marriage Act, Idaho Amendment 2, South Carolina, South Dakota Amendment C, Tennessee Marriage Act, Virginia Marriage Act, and Wisconsin Question One. We all know about this year.
For many this is a battle for gay rights, but I see it as far more. This is about equality in our oft inequal country. We have fought to make Americans equal since the very beginning of our nation and we must continue to do so. That is the Promise of the United States of America; we the people can make change. It is not only our right but our responsibilty to make sure no one is disenfranchised.
Laws have been wrong in the past and that is why we have the ability to change them and overturn and find them unconstitutional. And marriage for all is just one of those things that we have to work on.
It's not one law... It's the over 1000 federal rights that hetrosexuals have in a marriage that homosexuals are not allowed to have. In Georgia, there are about another 400 state rights that were stripped away in 2004.
And the religious right would have you believe it's about morality and the sanctity of marriage. This comes from the Morman Church, whose history includes polygamy, child abuse and racism within their own church; from the Christian Fundamentalists who would tell you that sex is for procreation only, that abstinence is holy, as their teens find skyrocketing pregnancy rates and STD numbers going through the roof. Then there are the Catholics, who have a few issues of their own regarding priests and pedophelia. These are the people telling Americans what is moral and right; these are groups who have been tied to funding all of the above initiatives, and will likely fund more in the future.
What is moral and right is ALL Americans having the same access to the Constitution of the United States of America, regardless of sexual orientation, skin color or gender.
This is not just about Prop 8. Prop 8 has become the symbol of what must be done and all that still must be undone. This is about the fabric of our nation and what we are going to do to make it a more perfect union. I don't want to live in a nation where I have more rights legally than my brothers and sisters. I will fight for the rights of all. Ignorance, bigotry, racism and mysogyny need not apply. Those are the tools of the people who would keep the United States of America divided.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
If a well organized group of people can use the Constitution to take away one group's rights , then who is next? It's a fair and valid question to ask, and not one without precident in America. We must ask this question because we are all in jeopardy of having what so many in our nation have fought for, taken away.
We went to our city's capitol building to stand beside our GBLT brothers and sisters in America to protest not only Prop 8, but all of the ballot initiatives that have gone before and are still to come in America. We stood against prop 2 in Florida, and we stood against Arizona and Arkansas, and even our own state that passed Constitutional Amendment 1 in 2004:
Shall the Constitution be amended so as to provide that this state shall recognize as marriage only the union of man and woman? This first paragraph of this proposal provides that Georgia shall recognize as marriage only the union of man and woman and prohibits marriages between persons of the same sex in this state. The second paragraph of this proposal further provides that the state: (1) shall not recognize any union between persons of the same sex as being entitled to the benefits of marriage; (2) shall not give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other state or jurisdiction respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex where that relationship is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other state or jurisdiction; and (3) removes from the jurisdiction of Georgia's courts the ability to grant a divorce or separate maintenance or otherwise consider or rule on parties' rights arising from or in connection with such a same sex relationship.
In 2006, we had Arizona Prop 107, Colorado Prop 43, Alabama Marriage Act, Idaho Amendment 2, South Carolina, South Dakota Amendment C, Tennessee Marriage Act, Virginia Marriage Act, and Wisconsin Question One. We all know about this year.
For many this is a battle for gay rights, but I see it as far more. This is about equality in our oft inequal country. We have fought to make Americans equal since the very beginning of our nation and we must continue to do so. That is the Promise of the United States of America; we the people can make change. It is not only our right but our responsibilty to make sure no one is disenfranchised.
Laws have been wrong in the past and that is why we have the ability to change them and overturn and find them unconstitutional. And marriage for all is just one of those things that we have to work on.
It's not one law... It's the over 1000 federal rights that hetrosexuals have in a marriage that homosexuals are not allowed to have. In Georgia, there are about another 400 state rights that were stripped away in 2004.
And the religious right would have you believe it's about morality and the sanctity of marriage. This comes from the Morman Church, whose history includes polygamy, child abuse and racism within their own church; from the Christian Fundamentalists who would tell you that sex is for procreation only, that abstinence is holy, as their teens find skyrocketing pregnancy rates and STD numbers going through the roof. Then there are the Catholics, who have a few issues of their own regarding priests and pedophelia. These are the people telling Americans what is moral and right; these are groups who have been tied to funding all of the above initiatives, and will likely fund more in the future.
What is moral and right is ALL Americans having the same access to the Constitution of the United States of America, regardless of sexual orientation, skin color or gender.
This is not just about Prop 8. Prop 8 has become the symbol of what must be done and all that still must be undone. This is about the fabric of our nation and what we are going to do to make it a more perfect union. I don't want to live in a nation where I have more rights legally than my brothers and sisters. I will fight for the rights of all. Ignorance, bigotry, racism and mysogyny need not apply. Those are the tools of the people who would keep the United States of America divided.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
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Comment by 
TriSec on 11/17/2008 13:54:29
TriSec on 11/17/2008 13:54:29
Morning, comrades!
Perhaps the good gay folk in Georgia, California, Florida, etc. should get together and gather signatures for a ballot initiative stripping the rights of heteros to marry.
Maybe then people would understand what's at stake and how easy it is for mob rule to identify a scapegoat and persecute them.
Perhaps the good gay folk in Georgia, California, Florida, etc. should get together and gather signatures for a ballot initiative stripping the rights of heteros to marry.
Maybe then people would understand what's at stake and how easy it is for mob rule to identify a scapegoat and persecute them.
Comment by 
Raine on 11/17/2008 14:00:42
Raine on 11/17/2008 14:00:42
Tri, it's looking like the Good bigots of Georgia may be working taking away even more rights from Gays. They were forwaring of a new proposition that may take the children away from Gay couples. I am trying to gather more information about that.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 14:07:01
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 14:07:01
Morning :hug:
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:08:42
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:08:42
FuckinARIGHT, Raine.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 14:08:52
Raine on 11/17/2008 14:08:52
Great... another fire warning for the SMS show. Oh guys! please stay safe!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:09:55
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:09:55
Raine, when you get a chance, since the comcast mail client blows goats for a nickel and gives change, would you mind posting the quote I sent you on Fridee?
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 14:11:47
Great. Well, I guess you can't care for children once they're outside the womb.
Remember that Catholic Charities in Massachusetts got out of the adoption business entirely, rather than comply with state law.
Good Riddance, I say.
TriSec on 11/17/2008 14:11:47
Quote by Raine:
Tri, it's looking like the Good bigots of Georgia may be working taking away even more rights from Gays. They were forwaring of a new proposition that may take the children away from Gay couples. I am trying to gather more information about that.
Great. Well, I guess you can't care for children once they're outside the womb.
Remember that Catholic Charities in Massachusetts got out of the adoption business entirely, rather than comply with state law.
Good Riddance, I say.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/17/2008 14:11:49
Morning guys.. ugh I'm just not ready for another Monday.
Scoopster on 11/17/2008 14:11:49
Morning guys.. ugh I'm just not ready for another Monday.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 14:12:10
Raine on 11/17/2008 14:12:10
Sure, Mondo-- The whole quote?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:12:22
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:12:22
Well done Shane-o!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:13:04
Yes please, it is long but it is well worth reading.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:13:04
Quote by Raine:
Sure, Mondo-- The whole quote?
Yes please, it is long but it is well worth reading.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:14:46
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:14:46
The roaming gangs of gays attacking Mormon women would only be savagly mocking the fashion sense of said women.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 14:16:22
drive by makeovers?
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 14:16:22
Quote by Mondobubba:
The roaming gangs of gays attacking Mormon women would only be savagly mocking the fashion sense of said women.
drive by makeovers?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 14:16:58
Raine on 11/17/2008 14:16:58
Chris Hedges' book American Fascists:
I do not deny the right of Christian radicals to be, to believe and worship as they choose. But I will engage in a dialogue with those who deny my right to be, who delegitimize my faith and denounce my struggle before God as worthless. All dialogue must include respect and tolerance the beliefs, worth and dignity of others, including those outside the nation and faith. When this respect is denied, this clash ideologies to be merely a difference of opinion and becomes a fight for survival. This movement seeks, in the name of Christianity and American democracy, to destroy what it claims to defend. I do not believe that America with inevitably become a fascist state or that the Christian Right is the Nazi Party. But I do believe that the radical Christian Right is a sworn and potent enemy of the open society. Its ideology bears within it the tenents of a Christian fascism...the movement stands poised to manipulate fear and chaos ruthlessly and reshape America in ways that have not been seen since the nation's founding. All Americans-not only those of faith-who care about our open society must learn to speak about this movement with a new vocabulary, to give up passivity, to challenge this movement's deluded appropriation of Christianity and do everything possible to defend tolerance (Emphasis added). The attacks by this movement on the right and beliefs of Muslims, Jews, immigrants, gays, lesbians, women, scholars, scientists, those they dismiss as "nominal Christians," and those they brand with the curse of "secular humanism" are an attack on all of us, on our values, our freedoms, and ultimately our democracy. Tolerance is a virtue, but tolerance coupled with passivity is a vice (emphasis added).
I do not deny the right of Christian radicals to be, to believe and worship as they choose. But I will engage in a dialogue with those who deny my right to be, who delegitimize my faith and denounce my struggle before God as worthless. All dialogue must include respect and tolerance the beliefs, worth and dignity of others, including those outside the nation and faith. When this respect is denied, this clash ideologies to be merely a difference of opinion and becomes a fight for survival. This movement seeks, in the name of Christianity and American democracy, to destroy what it claims to defend. I do not believe that America with inevitably become a fascist state or that the Christian Right is the Nazi Party. But I do believe that the radical Christian Right is a sworn and potent enemy of the open society. Its ideology bears within it the tenents of a Christian fascism...the movement stands poised to manipulate fear and chaos ruthlessly and reshape America in ways that have not been seen since the nation's founding. All Americans-not only those of faith-who care about our open society must learn to speak about this movement with a new vocabulary, to give up passivity, to challenge this movement's deluded appropriation of Christianity and do everything possible to defend tolerance (Emphasis added). The attacks by this movement on the right and beliefs of Muslims, Jews, immigrants, gays, lesbians, women, scholars, scientists, those they dismiss as "nominal Christians," and those they brand with the curse of "secular humanism" are an attack on all of us, on our values, our freedoms, and ultimately our democracy. Tolerance is a virtue, but tolerance coupled with passivity is a vice (emphasis added).
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:23:42
Back story. I was reading this book last week. I emailed this quote to Raine early Fridee morning. I think in these troubled times it is especially tenchent.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:23:42
Quote by Raine:
Chris Hedges' book American Fascists:
I do not deny the right of Christian radicals to be, to believe and worship as they choose. But I will engage in a dialogue with those who deny my right to be, who delegitimize my faith and denounce my struggle before God as worthless. All dialogue must include respect and tolerance the beliefs, worth and dignity of others, including those outside the nation and faith. When this respect is denied, this clash ideologies to be merely a difference of opinion and becomes a fight for survival. This movement seeks, in the name of Christianity and American democracy, to destroy what it claims to defend. I do not believe that America with inevitably become a fascist state or that the Christian Right is the Nazi Party. But I do believe that the radical Christian Right is a sworn and potent enemy of the open society. Its ideology bears within it the tenents of a Christian fascism...the movement stands poised to manipulate fear and chaos ruthlessly and reshape America in ways that have not been seen since the nation's founding. All Americans-not only those of faith-who care about our open society must learn to speak about this movement with a new vocabulary, to give up passivity, to challenge this movement's deluded appropriation of Christianity and do everything possible to defend tolerance (Emphasis added). The attacks by this movement on the right and beliefs of Muslims, Jews, immigrants, gays, lesbians, women, scholars, scientists, those they dismiss as "nominal Christians," and those they brand with the curse of "secular humanism" are an attack on all of us, on our values, our freedoms, and ultimately our democracy. Tolerance is a virtue, but tolerance coupled with passivity is a vice (emphasis added).
Back story. I was reading this book last week. I emailed this quote to Raine early Fridee morning. I think in these troubled times it is especially tenchent.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:24:15
Yeah something like that!
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:24:15
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
The roaming gangs of gays attacking Mormon women would only be savagly mocking the fashion sense of said women.
drive by makeovers?
Yeah something like that!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:27:23
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 14:27:23
Jesus Newt, project much?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 14:27:53
Oh that would be fabulous!
Raine on 11/17/2008 14:27:53
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
The roaming gangs of gays attacking Mormon women would only be savagly mocking the fashion sense of said women.
drive by makeovers?
Comment by Scoopster on 11/17/2008 14:31:29
Scoopster on 11/17/2008 14:31:29
Comment by Scoopster on 11/17/2008 14:32:33
Scoopster on 11/17/2008 14:32:33
Oh yah.. Happy 60th Birthday to Howard Dean! 
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 14:37:30
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 14:37:30
Are they like the good Germans?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 14:42:40
Raine on 11/17/2008 14:42:40
:waiting: Hmm... I hope that Momma is not tempering her critique of the Auto industry due to her sponsorship.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 14:44:55
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 14:44:55
I don't think she is - I don't think anyone want's the big 3 to fail. it really is an industry we have to fight for I think but i have to wonder if years ago cafe standards were raised and the auto companies and oil company and all didn't fight them, would we be in this situation?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 14:50:16
I don't want them to fail either...
I do feel however this industry needs -- to get moving.
It's not just the cafe standards, it is a whole slew of things...
I am still pissed about the Electric Car. I am pissed that people have been screaming for YEARS for more efficient milage... cars that do not fall apart...
They need to stop the monopolisitic ideaology that forces people to HAVE to buy these cars.
Raine on 11/17/2008 14:50:16
Quote by wickedpam:
I don't think she is - I don't think anyone want's the big 3 to fail. it really is an industry we have to fight for I think but i have to wonder if years ago cafe standards were raised and the auto companies and oil company and all didn't fight them, would we be in this situation?
I do feel however this industry needs -- to get moving.
It's not just the cafe standards, it is a whole slew of things...
I am still pissed about the Electric Car. I am pissed that people have been screaming for YEARS for more efficient milage... cars that do not fall apart...
They need to stop the monopolisitic ideaology that forces people to HAVE to buy these cars.
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 15:00:22
TriSec on 11/17/2008 15:00:22
Cars....
2003 (Before the Dark Times, before the layoffs), and my old Chrysler was showing it's age. ('97 Dodge Stratus....great car, but hitting the nickel & dime phase.)
Anyway, I thought it was too small with a young child, so I was looking for a wagon.
ONLY Ford built one at the time; the Focus wagon. I didn't even look at that one...the options and accessories were junk, and at the time the Focus was having electrical problems and a few of them burst into flames.
The only other American option was an SUV or a Minivan, and I knew I didn't want (or need) either one of those.
So, it was on to Europe. I had my heart set on a VW Jetta Wagon...until on a whim I test-drove the Subaru.
All Wheel Drive, all the bells and whistles I wanted, and it was $2,000 less than the VW. Bought it that afternoon. (Of course, I was laid off a month later, but that's another story.)
So here I am 5 years later. I just replaced the battery...had to do two tires last year, and I'm in need of a new radio. (CD jammed in it.) But that's it. I go out, put the key in it, and it starts every time without a fuss.
So....
1. Everything I wanted and/or needed in it, no weird option packages or "surprise" costs
2. All-wheel drive, practically a necessity for New England.
3. Cost less than anything else comparable.
4. Not an SUV; I usually average between 25-30 mpg under most conditions.
5. Five years old and still in good shape...still starts every morning, even in the dead of winter.
So Ford, Chevy, and GM.....match that and we'll talk.
2003 (Before the Dark Times, before the layoffs), and my old Chrysler was showing it's age. ('97 Dodge Stratus....great car, but hitting the nickel & dime phase.)
Anyway, I thought it was too small with a young child, so I was looking for a wagon.
ONLY Ford built one at the time; the Focus wagon. I didn't even look at that one...the options and accessories were junk, and at the time the Focus was having electrical problems and a few of them burst into flames.
The only other American option was an SUV or a Minivan, and I knew I didn't want (or need) either one of those.
So, it was on to Europe. I had my heart set on a VW Jetta Wagon...until on a whim I test-drove the Subaru.
All Wheel Drive, all the bells and whistles I wanted, and it was $2,000 less than the VW. Bought it that afternoon. (Of course, I was laid off a month later, but that's another story.)
So here I am 5 years later. I just replaced the battery...had to do two tires last year, and I'm in need of a new radio. (CD jammed in it.) But that's it. I go out, put the key in it, and it starts every time without a fuss.
So....
1. Everything I wanted and/or needed in it, no weird option packages or "surprise" costs
2. All-wheel drive, practically a necessity for New England.
3. Cost less than anything else comparable.
4. Not an SUV; I usually average between 25-30 mpg under most conditions.
5. Five years old and still in good shape...still starts every morning, even in the dead of winter.
So Ford, Chevy, and GM.....match that and we'll talk.
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 15:01:55
TriSec on 11/17/2008 15:01:55
Oh, and the electric car thingy?
I'd buy one. My entire Family lives within 20 miles of me in Waltham, and I drive 4 miles to work.
Last week, I drove less than 100 miles in seven days.
Hello, is anyone in the market research department listening?
I'd buy one. My entire Family lives within 20 miles of me in Waltham, and I drive 4 miles to work.
Last week, I drove less than 100 miles in seven days.
Hello, is anyone in the market research department listening?
Comment by 
Random on 11/17/2008 15:03:55
Random on 11/17/2008 15:03:55
Yay, finally talking about something besides Prop 8.
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 15:06:35
Random drives his mom's old Honda, that things ten years old and still runs.
Random on 11/17/2008 15:06:35
Quote by TriSec:
Cars....
2003 (Before the Dark Times, before the layoffs), and my old Chrysler was showing it's age. ('97 Dodge Stratus....great car, but hitting the nickel & dime phase.)
Anyway, I thought it was too small with a young child, so I was looking for a wagon.
ONLY Ford built one at the time; the Focus wagon. I didn't even look at that one...the options and accessories were junk, and at the time the Focus was having electrical problems and a few of them burst into flames.
The only other American option was an SUV or a Minivan, and I knew I didn't want (or need) either one of those.
So, it was on to Europe. I had my heart set on a VW Jetta Wagon...until on a whim I test-drove the Subaru.
All Wheel Drive, all the bells and whistles I wanted, and it was $2,000 less than the VW. Bought it that afternoon. (Of course, I was laid off a month later, but that's another story.)
So here I am 5 years later. I just replaced the battery...had to do two tires last year, and I'm in need of a new radio. (CD jammed in it.) But that's it. I go out, put the key in it, and it starts every time without a fuss.
So....
1. Everything I wanted and/or needed in it, no weird option packages or "surprise" costs
2. All-wheel drive, practically a necessity for New England.
3. Cost less than anything else comparable.
4. Not an SUV; I usually average between 25-30 mpg under most conditions.
5. Five years old and still in good shape...still starts every morning, even in the dead of winter.
So Ford, Chevy, and GM.....match that and we'll talk.
Random drives his mom's old Honda, that things ten years old and still runs.
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 15:08:16
Random on 11/17/2008 15:08:16
Random will go against the grain. Sarah Palin, please run in 2012, we need an easy win/landslide.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 15:11:10
:hug:
Raine on 11/17/2008 15:11:10
Quote by Random:
Yay, finally talking about something besides Prop 8.
:hug:
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 15:12:14
Raine on 11/17/2008 15:12:14
John Denver Forever!!! :usa:
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 15:12:28
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 15:12:28
Raine - I agree they needed to move long ago, but you know how people have a hard time changing they wait until the absolute last minute to do so. I mean look at where we had to go as a country to get people to take a chance on change.
I'm mad about that electric car too - don't think I would have been had I not seem the movie. They shoot themselves in the foot and there would have been new jobs in new industries. It was shameful what they did.
Tri - my first car was Dodge 500, bought used, it was fairly good car but needed lots of work to maintain it by the time I got it. Second car Dodge Neon. I had a love/hate relationship with that car. It loved to spend my money and I hated being broken down on the side of the road.
My most reacent car - Hyndai - loved it. I've driven it over 100k miles and outside of burning through a lot of lights the car if really good on gas and pretty easy to maintain.
I would have prefered to buy from an American company but nothing they were producing met my needs and cost way too much for me to handle.
I'm mad about that electric car too - don't think I would have been had I not seem the movie. They shoot themselves in the foot and there would have been new jobs in new industries. It was shameful what they did.
Tri - my first car was Dodge 500, bought used, it was fairly good car but needed lots of work to maintain it by the time I got it. Second car Dodge Neon. I had a love/hate relationship with that car. It loved to spend my money and I hated being broken down on the side of the road.
My most reacent car - Hyndai - loved it. I've driven it over 100k miles and outside of burning through a lot of lights the car if really good on gas and pretty easy to maintain.
I would have prefered to buy from an American company but nothing they were producing met my needs and cost way too much for me to handle.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 11/17/2008 15:14:15
m-hadley on 11/17/2008 15:14:15
Mornin' Everbodee :coffee:
Hope y'all had a great weekend. Here in Tulsa, OK, we had between 300 - 350 people turn out to march against H8 and Prop 8 and in favor of equality for all citizens (sorry Random - it is THE story of the moment :P). Thanks to Raine and BobR for supporting equal rights for all Americans - you guys rock :airhump:
Cheers,
mfaye
& :dance:
ps - Did you all see the very articulate, pragmatic, intelligent and charming interview with our president-elect last night on 60 Minutes? He is so impressive, yes?
:gobama:
Hope y'all had a great weekend. Here in Tulsa, OK, we had between 300 - 350 people turn out to march against H8 and Prop 8 and in favor of equality for all citizens (sorry Random - it is THE story of the moment :P). Thanks to Raine and BobR for supporting equal rights for all Americans - you guys rock :airhump:
Cheers,
mfaye
& :dance:ps - Did you all see the very articulate, pragmatic, intelligent and charming interview with our president-elect last night on 60 Minutes? He is so impressive, yes?
:gobama:
Comment by 
BobR on 11/17/2008 15:18:22
BobR on 11/17/2008 15:18:22
Ok everyone, it's that time of year again. The bill has come due to keep the lights on, and since we really don't have advertising, that comes out of my pocket. If you can afford it, there's a link up there at the top labeled "Donate". I'd appreciate it if you could toss some change in my tip jar.
Considering the economy, I know money's tight. No pressure, but any help is appreciated... :peace:
Considering the economy, I know money's tight. No pressure, but any help is appreciated... :peace:
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 15:19:52
Know what the story will be when 8 gets overturned? Britteny Spears, or whatever teen slut has taken her place.
Random on 11/17/2008 15:19:52
Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everbodee :coffee:
Hope y'all had a great weekend. Here in Tulsa, OK, we had between 300 - 350 people turn out to march against H8 and Prop 8 and in favor of equality for all citizens (sorry Random - it is THE story of the moment :P). Thanks to Raine and BobR for supporting equal rights for all Americans - you guys rock :airhump:
Cheers,
mfaye
ps - Did you all see the very articulate, pragmatic, intelligent and charming interview with our president-elect last night on 60 Minutes? He is so impressive, yes?
:gobama:
Know what the story will be when 8 gets overturned? Britteny Spears, or whatever teen slut has taken her place.
Comment by BobR on 11/17/2008 15:23:18
My considerations when buying my last vehicle were (in order):
1) Reliability
2) Gas mileage
3) Functionality
4) Affordability
5) Features
6) Appearance
I ended up buying a Toyota Tacoma because it was the best match (esp. #1). I almost bought a Prius, but I needed a truck at the time. It's almost 6 years old, at 80K miles, and all I've done is oil changes and new tires.
BobR on 11/17/2008 15:23:18
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine - I agree they needed to move long ago, but you know how people have a hard time changing they wait until the absolute last minute to do so. I mean look at where we had to go as a country to get people to take a chance on change.
I'm mad about that electric car too - don't think I would have been had I not seem the movie. They shoot themselves in the foot and there would have been new jobs in new industries. It was shameful what they did.
Tri - my first car was Dodge 500, bought used, it was fairly good car but needed lots of work to maintain it by the time I got it. Second car Dodge Neon. I had a love/hate relationship with that car. It loved to spend my money and I hated being broken down on the side of the road.
My most reacent car - Hyndai - loved it. I've driven it over 100k miles and outside of burning through a lot of lights the car if really good on gas and pretty easy to maintain.
I would have prefered to buy from an American company but nothing they were producing met my needs and cost way too much for me to handle.
My considerations when buying my last vehicle were (in order):
1) Reliability
2) Gas mileage
3) Functionality
4) Affordability
5) Features
6) Appearance
I ended up buying a Toyota Tacoma because it was the best match (esp. #1). I almost bought a Prius, but I needed a truck at the time. It's almost 6 years old, at 80K miles, and all I've done is oil changes and new tires.
Comment by BobR on 11/17/2008 15:24:55
I look forward to the day when the country is in such good shape (economically, spiritually, and civically) that they have to run teen slut news stories...
BobR on 11/17/2008 15:24:55
Quote by Random:
Know what the story will be when 8 gets overturned? Britteny Spears, or whatever teen slut has taken her place.
I look forward to the day when the country is in such good shape (economically, spiritually, and civically) that they have to run teen slut news stories...
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 15:25:20
Raine on 11/17/2008 15:25:20
Personally, I think Prop 8 may find it's way to the Supreme Court... And like Loving V Virginia... we will finally have marriage for all.
It's hard to believe that just 41 years ago, when I was born, 16 states made it illegal for Blacks and Whites to marry.
It's hard to believe that just 41 years ago, when I was born, 16 states made it illegal for Blacks and Whites to marry.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 15:27:03
Raine on 11/17/2008 15:27:03
:yadda: Oh Jerry, here we go...
STFU! There was a LOT more in that interview. Jerry is an idiot.
STFU! There was a LOT more in that interview. Jerry is an idiot.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 15:27:54
Raine on 11/17/2008 15:27:54
OK, Jerry... show PROOF that Dems have stolen any election... ANY. I dare you... 
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 15:28:56
Raine on 11/17/2008 15:28:56
stuttering jerry in Chicago is a total idiot.
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 15:29:05
TriSec on 11/17/2008 15:29:05
Reliability is the big thing.
I've had some cars that I literally had to put money into every month. (coughFORDcough). I've also driven two Chryslers, and those were pretty reliable.
But Subaru has that iron-clad reputation in these parts. And they don't rust, either...which was a constant problem I had with elder American cars.
I've had some cars that I literally had to put money into every month. (coughFORDcough). I've also driven two Chryslers, and those were pretty reliable.
But Subaru has that iron-clad reputation in these parts. And they don't rust, either...which was a constant problem I had with elder American cars.
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 15:34:16
I meant that in a generality, saying we won't talk about gay marraige.
Random on 11/17/2008 15:34:16
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Know what the story will be when 8 gets overturned? Britteny Spears, or whatever teen slut has taken her place.
I look forward to the day when the country is in such good shape (economically, spiritually, and civically) that they have to run teen slut news stories...
I meant that in a generality, saying we won't talk about gay marraige.
Comment by m-hadley on 11/17/2008 15:37:20
m-hadley on 11/17/2008 15:37:20
Random,
Cars, shmars, Gays, shmays - whatever is your point? Just wondering...
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :dance:
Cars, shmars, Gays, shmays - whatever is your point? Just wondering...
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :dance:
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 15:40:50
Wait...what?
Random on 11/17/2008 15:40:50
Quote by m-hadley:
Random,
Cars, shmars, Gays, shmays - whatever is your point? Just wondering...
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :dance:
Wait...what?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 15:41:45
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 15:41:45
Emoticon Party
:lol:
:lol:
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 15:47:01
TriSec on 11/17/2008 15:47:01
Good point...we *had* an electric car before. Why not just dust it off as a stop-gap measure?
But I suppose GM destroyed the toolings and wiped out whatever remnant of the production line may have existed.
But I suppose GM destroyed the toolings and wiped out whatever remnant of the production line may have existed.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 15:55:25
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 15:55:25
It might come down really knowing who in a family you can talk politics with without it spiraling out of the control
Comment by BobR on 11/17/2008 16:10:58
BobR on 11/17/2008 16:10:58
Happy pants!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:11:06
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:11:06
Comment by BobR on 11/17/2008 16:11:29
BobR on 11/17/2008 16:11:29
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 16:13:50
Maybe PE Obama needs to re-think Guantanamo Bay....these are the folks that need to be "disappeared"...
TriSec on 11/17/2008 16:13:50
Maybe PE Obama needs to re-think Guantanamo Bay....these are the folks that need to be "disappeared"...
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:14:33
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:14:33
you see, 1 bite is an anomally, 2 bites make me wonder what is going on with that poor little dog.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:18:24
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:18:24
That was really innapropriate. 
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:19:17
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:19:17
I missed it - what happened?
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 16:29:42
Random on 11/17/2008 16:29:42
Note, Obama DOESN'T have to rescue. Stop saying he has to.
It's not the only choice he has. He shouldn't be quilted into rescuing. If he wants to rescue, he can rescue, just don't quilt him into it.
It's not the only choice he has. He shouldn't be quilted into rescuing. If he wants to rescue, he can rescue, just don't quilt him into it.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:29:45
A caller mentioned that the First Lady Elects "freshness" was up for discussion regarding the 60 minutes interview.
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:29:45
Quote by wickedpam:
I missed it - what happened?
A caller mentioned that the First Lady Elects "freshness" was up for discussion regarding the 60 minutes interview.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:32:24
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:32:24
Why does Bagdhad getting a subway sound as logical to me as LA having one?
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 16:33:57
TriSec on 11/17/2008 16:33:57
My name is Jen Chapin.
I write songs about love, and loss...searching for community, and moving away from the politics of fear towards the politics of possibility.
I write the songs that make the whole world sing.
I write the songs of love and special things.
I write the songs that make the young girls cry.
I write the songs, I write the songs.
Who's got the squeeze bottle?
I write songs about love, and loss...searching for community, and moving away from the politics of fear towards the politics of possibility.
I write the songs that make the whole world sing.
I write the songs of love and special things.
I write the songs that make the young girls cry.
I write the songs, I write the songs.
Who's got the squeeze bottle?
Comment by Scoopster on 11/17/2008 16:39:13
Are we talking about freshness as in a sailor's mouth, old-school rappers, or being in need of some Summer's Eve? :lol:
Scoopster on 11/17/2008 16:39:13
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I missed it - what happened?
A caller mentioned that the First Lady Elects "freshness" was up for discussion regarding the 60 minutes interview.
Are we talking about freshness as in a sailor's mouth, old-school rappers, or being in need of some Summer's Eve? :lol:
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:39:54
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:39:54
From TPM:
Sweet.
Jim Martin, the Georgia Democrat who has an outside shot at picking off GOP Sen. Saxby Chambliss in the upcoming runoff election, has a new ad with a very interesting strategy for a red-state Dem: Aggressively tying himself to Barack Obama and attacking the Republican for not supporting the new president-elect.
"No wonder he opposes the Obama economic recovery plan," the announcer says -- in a state that voted 52%-47% for John McCain.
The rub here is that this runoff is similar in many ways to a special election, which is all about mobilizing the base. And Martin sees here an opportunity to capitalize on Obama's honeymoon period in order to get Democratic voters out to the polls for a second time.
Chambliss should still be viewed as the frontrunner, but not by much -- a recent Research 2000 poll has him leading Martin by only 49%-46%. If Martin can effectively leverage economic uncertainties plus the Obama honeymoon into a better base turnout than Chambliss can use right-wing anger at Obama's win, he could very plausibly pull this thing off.
Sweet.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:43:00
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:43:00
Scoop, the feminine hygiene product... <_<
Comment by Scoopster on 11/17/2008 16:46:54
Scoopster on 11/17/2008 16:46:54
Oh... well now that's not so funny anymore now is it. :unsure:
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 16:47:46
Is that more or less logical than one for Miami?
Random on 11/17/2008 16:47:46
Quote by wickedpam:
Why does Bagdhad getting a subway sound as logical to me as LA having one?
Is that more or less logical than one for Miami?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:48:43
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:48:43
Saxby said we can trust financial sector with taxpayers billions. Saxby Chambliss radio interview, WGAU Athens, November 14, 2008---
Straight from the Horses Ass.
Straight from the Horses Ass.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:49:17
Miami's got one? That's not logical to me either.
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:49:17
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
Why does Bagdhad getting a subway sound as logical to me as LA having one?
Is that more or less logical than one for Miami?
Miami's got one? That's not logical to me either.
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 16:50:01
Say now, I once rode Tri-Rail from Lake Worth Road (Lake Worth) to the subway station in Miami, then took the people-mover down to Bayside. (We met some family there, hung out for the day, then reversed the process to get back home.)
That seemed to work out pretty well.
TriSec on 11/17/2008 16:50:01
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
Why does Bagdhad getting a subway sound as logical to me as LA having one?
Is that more or less logical than one for Miami?
Say now, I once rode Tri-Rail from Lake Worth Road (Lake Worth) to the subway station in Miami, then took the people-mover down to Bayside. (We met some family there, hung out for the day, then reversed the process to get back home.)
That seemed to work out pretty well.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:50:59
Ya know I swear, when did politness leave the American culture?
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:50:59
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I missed it - what happened?
A caller mentioned that the First Lady Elects "freshness" was up for discussion regarding the 60 minutes interview.
Are we talking about freshness as in a sailor's mouth, old-school rappers, or being in need of some Summer's Eve? :lol:
Ya know I swear, when did politness leave the American culture?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:51:59
but isn't Miami at or just below sea level?
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 16:51:59
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
Why does Bagdhad getting a subway sound as logical to me as LA having one?
Is that more or less logical than one for Miami?
Say now, I once rode Tri-Rail from Lake Worth Road (Lake Worth) to the subway station in Miami, then took the people-mover down to Bayside. (We met some family there, hung out for the day, then reversed the process to get back home.)
That seemed to work out pretty well.
but isn't Miami at or just below sea level?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:52:23
I heard that on the news... I am trying to understand why a subway when they still have half the city with no water, sewer, electric paved roads, schools...
Who the hell ok'd that contract?
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:52:23
Quote by wickedpam:
Why does Bagdhad getting a subway sound as logical to me as LA having one?
I heard that on the news... I am trying to understand why a subway when they still have half the city with no water, sewer, electric paved roads, schools...
Who the hell ok'd that contract?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:53:07
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:53:07
NYC is at sea level...
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:53:58
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:53:58
For me it makes sense for ALL major cities to have subway systems... but they need basic infrastructure first.
LIKE RUNNING WATER!!!
LIKE RUNNING WATER!!!
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 16:55:52
TriSec on 11/17/2008 16:55:52
Boston is at sea level...a good number of transit tunnels and road arteries are actually "below-grade" here.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:56:58
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:56:58
Our sign at the Rally said "Straight Mates Against H8"
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 16:57:58
Raine on 11/17/2008 16:57:58
The EV-1 was a damn fine start.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 17:00:04
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 17:00:04
Tri and Raine - Two and shay.
I do often forget that many of our fine cities are at sea level - I think more of the flooding, tidal surges and earthquakes when it comes to cities like LA and Miami.
I do often forget that many of our fine cities are at sea level - I think more of the flooding, tidal surges and earthquakes when it comes to cities like LA and Miami.
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 17:00:18
TriSec on 11/17/2008 17:00:18
Comment by BobR on 11/17/2008 17:02:54
how about one in New Orleans? I picture gondoliers poling boats down underground tunnels..
BobR on 11/17/2008 17:02:54
Quote by Random:
Is that more or less logical than one for Miami?
how about one in New Orleans? I picture gondoliers poling boats down underground tunnels..
Comment by BobR on 11/17/2008 17:04:49
The train from Paris to London goes through the Chunnel which goes beneath the English Channel...
BobR on 11/17/2008 17:04:49
Quote by wickedpam:
Tri and Raine - Two and shay.
I do often forget that many of our fine cities are at sea level - I think more of the flooding, tidal surges and earthquakes when it comes to cities like LA and Miami.
The train from Paris to London goes through the Chunnel which goes beneath the English Channel...
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 17:05:58
very Phantom of the Opera :p
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 17:05:58
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Is that more or less logical than one for Miami?
how about one in New Orleans? I picture gondoliers poling boats down underground tunnels..
very Phantom of the Opera :p
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 17:06:44
See now that makes me nervous - stupid irrational fears and all.
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 17:06:44
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
Tri and Raine - Two and shay.
I do often forget that many of our fine cities are at sea level - I think more of the flooding, tidal surges and earthquakes when it comes to cities like LA and Miami.
The train from Paris to London goes through the Chunnel which goes beneath the English Channel...
See now that makes me nervous - stupid irrational fears and all.
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 17:16:12
Is that better or worse than my worrying about parts of a helicopter flying off and impaling me when I watch one take off?
(Maybe it's just helicopters...I don't worry about propellors like that; only rotors.)
TriSec on 11/17/2008 17:16:12
Quote by wickedpam:
See now that makes me nervous - stupid irrational fears and all.
Is that better or worse than my worrying about parts of a helicopter flying off and impaling me when I watch one take off?
(Maybe it's just helicopters...I don't worry about propellors like that; only rotors.)
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 17:35:09
Miami doesn't have one. The reason it would be illogical, if not impossible, is because of an aquifer in most of south Florida, it's why we don't have basements here.
Random on 11/17/2008 17:35:09
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
Why does Bagdhad getting a subway sound as logical to me as LA having one?
Is that more or less logical than one for Miami?
Miami's got one? That's not logical to me either.
Miami doesn't have one. The reason it would be illogical, if not impossible, is because of an aquifer in most of south Florida, it's why we don't have basements here.
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 17:37:22
Subways can't be put every, especially in areas that roughly 10 feet below the surface are large caverns filled with water.
Random on 11/17/2008 17:37:22
Quote by Raine:
For me it makes sense for ALL major cities to have subway systems... but they need basic infrastructure first.
Subways can't be put every, especially in areas that roughly 10 feet below the surface are large caverns filled with water.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 17:37:35
Raine on 11/17/2008 17:37:35
I have a fear of driving thru tunnels that go underwater. I am much better about it, but I understand.
I am still trying to understand WHY a subway in BAHGDAD?
Seriously, it smells like another bunch of money being thrown down a rabbit hole.
I am still trying to understand WHY a subway in BAHGDAD?
Seriously, it smells like another bunch of money being thrown down a rabbit hole.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 17:38:46
Raine on 11/17/2008 17:38:46
Listening to Thom, I am starting to feel really dirty listening to that Montage.
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 17:40:06
Pssst. It is.
Random on 11/17/2008 17:40:06
Quote by Raine:
I have a fear of driving thru tunnels that go underwater. I am much better about it, but I understand.
I am still trying to understand WHY a subway in BAHGDAD?
Seriously, it smells like another bunch of money being thrown down a rabbit hole.
Pssst. It is.
Comment by 
livingonli on 11/17/2008 17:40:48
livingonli on 11/17/2008 17:40:48
A belated good day to everyone.
After I got up, I had to rush for my doctor's appointment which seems to be every two weeks now. Weight is unchanged and my blood sugar levels have gone all over the place (thanks to one of my oral medicines being misplaced for a week).
But I ended up missing most of Momma today.
After I got up, I had to rush for my doctor's appointment which seems to be every two weeks now. Weight is unchanged and my blood sugar levels have gone all over the place (thanks to one of my oral medicines being misplaced for a week).
But I ended up missing most of Momma today.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 18:01:47
Raine on 11/17/2008 18:01:47
Oh to be a fly on the wall in that Obama/McCain meeting.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 18:09:29
I'd like to point something out here. They mention the Klan in the article and I say which one? The Invisible Knights? The United Klans of Amerika? There are about four or five different Klans. They all hate each other and they are all full of FBI snitches.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 18:09:29
I'd like to point something out here. They mention the Klan in the article and I say which one? The Invisible Knights? The United Klans of Amerika? There are about four or five different Klans. They all hate each other and they are all full of FBI snitches.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 18:13:49
Gee Bob, I'd rather they not. I'd like the press to report this stuff that's called news. You know exposing the stuff that is bad to the great disinfectant that is light.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 18:13:49
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Know what the story will be when 8 gets overturned? Britteny Spears, or whatever teen slut has taken her place.
I look forward to the day when the country is in such good shape (economically, spiritually, and civically) that they have to run teen slut news stories...
Gee Bob, I'd rather they not. I'd like the press to report this stuff that's called news. You know exposing the stuff that is bad to the great disinfectant that is light.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2008 18:16:26
I have that one too but its very, very mild since I'm not near helicopters ever
wickedpam on 11/17/2008 18:16:26
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
See now that makes me nervous - stupid irrational fears and all.
Is that better or worse than my worrying about parts of a helicopter flying off and impaling me when I watch one take off?
(Maybe it's just helicopters...I don't worry about propellors like that; only rotors.)
I have that one too but its very, very mild since I'm not near helicopters ever
Comment by livingonli on 11/17/2008 18:20:48
livingonli on 11/17/2008 18:20:48
Raine, I think you started a movement on Frangela's facecrack page.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 18:26:32
I would say yes. GM is courting all the radio hosts to shill for them in their time of need. A little pocket money will get them quite a lot of positive talk. Feh.
If LA and SF can have subways, I guess anything is possible. I think about the stench down there on one of their 120+ degree days. Eeep.
The fires are still burning. They think most of them were arson. It makes me sick because a lot of lives were lost this time. A trailor park went up so fast, all of the homes were destroyed and a lot of cars remain, so they think a lot of the people couldn't get out. It's really awful.
IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 18:26:32
Quote by Raine:
:waiting: Hmm... I hope that Momma is not tempering her critique of the Auto industry due to her sponsorship.
I would say yes. GM is courting all the radio hosts to shill for them in their time of need. A little pocket money will get them quite a lot of positive talk. Feh.
If LA and SF can have subways, I guess anything is possible. I think about the stench down there on one of their 120+ degree days. Eeep.
The fires are still burning. They think most of them were arson. It makes me sick because a lot of lives were lost this time. A trailor park went up so fast, all of the homes were destroyed and a lot of cars remain, so they think a lot of the people couldn't get out. It's really awful.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 18:28:39
Raine on 11/17/2008 18:28:39
Oh Izzy, that is very sad. I had not heard that people may have died in that trailer park fire. 
I hope that you are not in harms way.
I hope that you are not in harms way.
Comment by livingonli on 11/17/2008 18:37:24
livingonli on 11/17/2008 18:37:24
Hey, Izzy hope you're OK. I also hope my friend who moved out to SoCal (unfortunately I haven't been in touch with her in a while and considering how those fires are going I hope she's not in harm's way,
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 18:41:51
IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 18:41:51
Ted Kennedy is back to work in DC. He looks great! 
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 18:44:53
TriSec on 11/17/2008 18:44:53
Wha?
Seen on a Google News thumbnail:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks professional basketball team, was charged with insider trading in shares of Mamma.
She had an IPO and didn't tell us? :modbat:
Seen on a Google News thumbnail:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks professional basketball team, was charged with insider trading in shares of Mamma.
She had an IPO and didn't tell us? :modbat:
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 18:53:35
IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 18:53:35
The fires are some distance away to the north and southeast, but the smoke is traveling via the winds. It has also been unusually hot the past few days, so the air quality around LA and Orange County is yucky. The high temps and winds are supposed to get out of Dodge by tomorrow evening. They brought in search dogs to the trailer park today. Very sad.
Comment by BobR on 11/17/2008 18:53:37
That was kind of my point - Life will be great when reporting on celebusluts will be okay because there's nothing bad enough happening that needs the disinfecting light...
BobR on 11/17/2008 18:53:37
Quote by Mondobubba:
Gee Bob, I'd rather they not. I'd like the press to report this stuff that's called news. You know exposing the stuff that is bad to the great disinfectant that is light.
That was kind of my point - Life will be great when reporting on celebusluts will be okay because there's nothing bad enough happening that needs the disinfecting light...
Comment by Scoopster on 11/17/2008 19:13:53
:lol: There's so much you could do with this, comedically as it were..
Scoopster on 11/17/2008 19:13:53
Quote by TriSec:
Wha?
Seen on a Google News thumbnail:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks professional basketball team, was charged with insider trading in shares of Mamma.
She had an IPO and didn't tell us? :modbat:
:lol: There's so much you could do with this, comedically as it were..
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 19:41:58
It dovetails in a very interesting way to THIS STORY.
And This, where he says he doesn't have to Obey an order to testify in the Imperial Lawsuit.
Raine on 11/17/2008 19:41:58
It dovetails in a very interesting way to THIS STORY.
And This, where he says he doesn't have to Obey an order to testify in the Imperial Lawsuit.
Comment by BobR on 11/17/2008 19:47:22
That pompous douchebag!:
BobR on 11/17/2008 19:47:22
Quote by Raine:
It dovetails in a very interesting way to THIS STORY.
And This, where he says he doesn't have to Obey an order to testify in the Imperial Lawsuit.
That pompous douchebag!:
Savannah attorney Mark Tate, who issued the subpoena, said the Republican lawmaker tried to talk some of Tate's clients out of suing Imperial Sugar.
Through his attorneys, Chambliss has said that as a U.S. senator, he does not have to comply with the subpoena.
Chambliss is due to testify under oath soon and has been ordered to produce papers and e-mails provided to him by Imperial, related companies and Imperial's law firm.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 19:56:15
Raine on 11/17/2008 19:56:15
I think Saxby Chambliss is in the middle of a serious Abuse of Power.
BIG time.
BIG time.
Comment by TriSec on 11/17/2008 20:05:44
TriSec on 11/17/2008 20:05:44
Gawd, your "Senator" there is a piece of work...
Comment by livingonli on 11/17/2008 20:27:37
livingonli on 11/17/2008 20:27:37
Sounds like Chambliss learned a few lessons from Dick Cheney.
Comment by livingonli on 11/17/2008 20:45:09
livingonli on 11/17/2008 20:45:09
Time to go hit the salt mine again. And we're supposed to get crappy weather tonight. 
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 21:25:22
Raine on 11/17/2008 21:25:22
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 22:11:39
There is always muck to be raked.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2008 22:11:39
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Gee Bob, I'd rather they not. I'd like the press to report this stuff that's called news. You know exposing the stuff that is bad to the great disinfectant that is light.
That was kind of my point - Life will be great when reporting on celebusluts will be okay because there's nothing bad enough happening that needs the disinfecting light...
There is always muck to be raked.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 22:39:59
IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 22:39:59
Arianna Huffington is subbing for Rachel on MSNBC while she sails the high seas this week. Should be interesting, dahling.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 22:45:59
oo00oo I love Arianna.. dahling.
I wonder who will fill in for her on the TV mosheen.
Raine on 11/17/2008 22:45:59
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Arianna Huffington is subbing for Rachel on MSNBC while she sails the high seas this week. Should be interesting, dahling.
I wonder who will fill in for her on the TV mosheen.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 22:47:40
The shoes. Discuss.
IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 22:47:40
The shoes. Discuss.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 22:49:13
Raine, dahling, have you been hitting the sauce a bit early today? I believe I said MSNBC. How many fingers am I holding up?
IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 22:49:13
Quote by Raine:oo00oo I love Arianna.. dahling.Quote by IzzyBitz:
Arianna Huffington is subbing for Rachel on MSNBC while she sails the high seas this week. Should be interesting, dahling.
I wonder who will fill in for her on the TV mosheen.
Raine, dahling, have you been hitting the sauce a bit early today? I believe I said MSNBC. How many fingers am I holding up?
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 23:02:05
then who's fillin in on the radio thing-a-mabobber?
Random on 11/17/2008 23:02:05
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Raine:oo00oo I love Arianna.. dahling.Quote by IzzyBitz:
Arianna Huffington is subbing for Rachel on MSNBC while she sails the high seas this week. Should be interesting, dahling.
I wonder who will fill in for her on the TV mosheen.
Raine, dahling, have you been hitting the sauce a bit early today? I believe I said MSNBC. How many fingers am I holding up?
then who's fillin in on the radio thing-a-mabobber?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 23:05:05
Raine on 11/17/2008 23:05:05
:redface:
No I have not, but perhaps I should...
:rofl:
No I have not, but perhaps I should...
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 23:06:18
THAT is what I meant to say! No, REALLY...
Raine on 11/17/2008 23:06:18
Quote by Random:Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Raine:oo00oo I love Arianna.. dahling.Quote by IzzyBitz:
Arianna Huffington is subbing for Rachel on MSNBC while she sails the high seas this week. Should be interesting, dahling.
I wonder who will fill in for her on the TV mosheen.
Raine, dahling, have you been hitting the sauce a bit early today? I believe I said MSNBC. How many fingers am I holding up?
then who's fillin in on the radio thing-a-mabobber?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 23:07:56
I... I...
:spit: I can't.
Rach is always trending out these things and such. And also...
I got nothing.
Raine on 11/17/2008 23:07:56
Quote by IzzyBitz:
The shoes. Discuss.
:spit: I can't.
Rach is always trending out these things and such. And also...
I got nothing.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2008 23:08:47
Raine on 11/17/2008 23:08:47
OK, I am composed... I like that she wore Blue socks.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 23:25:48
I believe you.
IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 23:25:48
Quote by Raine:THAT is what I meant to say! No, REALLY...Quote by Random:Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Raine:oo00oo I love Arianna.. dahling.Quote by IzzyBitz:
Arianna Huffington is subbing for Rachel on MSNBC while she sails the high seas this week. Should be interesting, dahling.
I wonder who will fill in for her on the TV mosheen.
Raine, dahling, have you been hitting the sauce a bit early today? I believe I said MSNBC. How many fingers am I holding up?
then who's fillin in on the radio thing-a-mabobber?
I believe you.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 23:26:51
Minus the groovy shoes, I think my Dad wore this outfit to a company picnic in the 70s!
IzzyBitz on 11/17/2008 23:26:51
Quote by Raine:
OK, I am composed... I like that she wore Blue socks.
Minus the groovy shoes, I think my Dad wore this outfit to a company picnic in the 70s!
Comment by Random on 11/17/2008 23:27:59
O.O
that's Rachel?? dear lord.
Random on 11/17/2008 23:27:59
Quote by IzzyBitz:
The shoes. Discuss.
O.O
that's Rachel?? dear lord.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 00:17:56
Raine on 11/18/2008 00:17:56
Hey... we had a whole day without Sarah on the news cycle... What does tht mean?
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/18/2008 00:21:59
Hark, I just heard the sound of a moose burping.
IzzyBitz on 11/18/2008 00:21:59
Quote by Raine:
Hey... we had a whole day without Sarah on the news cycle... What does tht mean?
Hark, I just heard the sound of a moose burping.
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 01:10:45
No Palin President 2012?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Random on 11/18/2008 01:10:45
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Raine:
Hey... we had a whole day without Sarah on the news cycle... What does tht mean?
Hark, I just heard the sound of a moose burping.
No Palin President 2012?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2008 01:50:45
Crocs. Soooooo 2007.
Mondobubba on 11/18/2008 01:50:45
Quote by IzzyBitz:
The shoes. Discuss.
Crocs. Soooooo 2007.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 04:05:04
Raine on 11/18/2008 04:05:04
OK, Arianna does wonderful when she doesn't read the teleprompter...
Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 04:55:07
What the stylish lesbian will be wearing in 1997...
BobR on 11/18/2008 04:55:07
Quote by IzzyBitz:
The shoes. Discuss.
What the stylish lesbian will be wearing in 1997...