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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 11/18/2008 11:45:45
Good Morning.
Today is our 2,071st day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do...with the latest casualty figures from the Warron Terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4201
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4062
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3741
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3342
Since Election (1/31/05): 2764
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 627
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 384
Contractor Deaths - Iraq: 445
We find this morning's cost of war passing through: $ 572, 172, 200, 000.00
Ah, the cost of war. There's 500 billion right there. Add the 700 billion we just gave to the financial interests on Wall Street, and the kicked-around 25 billion being discussed for the auto industry. Yes, the auto industry. Don't you know they are a part of the military-industrial complex? General Clark believes we should bail out the auto industry...primarily so they can keep making Hummers for the army.
Also from IAVA this morning, it seems that US Representative Chet Edwards (D-TX) was on the short list for Obama's Secretary of Veteran Affairs...but word is he would prefer to remain in Congress.
Finally this morning...changing gears widely here. Most of you know I'm a bit of a WWII geek, and indeed have a long-term interest in most matters Naval. So I was interested to read a new story yesterday about the sinking of the Mary Rose (Henry VIII's flagship) at the Battle of the Solent in 1545. The legend is that it was upset by a freak squall and sank, but new evidence seems to indicate that it was indeed sunk by enemy action, then covered up in the interest of morale. Does that sound vaguely familiar to you?
I suppose some things never change...
Today is our 2,071st day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do...with the latest casualty figures from the Warron Terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4201
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4062
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3741
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3342
Since Election (1/31/05): 2764
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 627
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 384
Contractor Deaths - Iraq: 445
We find this morning's cost of war passing through: $ 572, 172, 200, 000.00
Ah, the cost of war. There's 500 billion right there. Add the 700 billion we just gave to the financial interests on Wall Street, and the kicked-around 25 billion being discussed for the auto industry. Yes, the auto industry. Don't you know they are a part of the military-industrial complex? General Clark believes we should bail out the auto industry...primarily so they can keep making Hummers for the army.
Thought you’d heard every conceivable reason for a Detroit bailout? Think again. From an op-ed by retired General Wesley Clark:
Some economists question the wisdom of Washington’s intervening to help the Big Three, arguing that the automakers should pay the price for their own mistakes or that the market will correct itself. But we must act: aiding the American automobile industry is not only an economic imperative, but also a national security imperative.
So once again, the specter of national security raises its ugly head for the justification of a questionable government action. Clark goes on to cite the success of the Humvee, that four-wheeled star of the Gulf War, as an example of how GM’s innovation helps drive national security. But a close look at some examples closer in time tells a very different story. Nearly all of the designs for the latest generation of armored vehicles are taken from original plans by overseas companies. General Clark is right that American civilian auto production didn’t have to divert much capacity to meet the need for new MRAPs - the sad truth is, the Big Three could have done so even if they wanted to, because their product lines are too clunky and not agile enough to meet that kind of short-range demand.
The hard truth of the matter is that truly innovative ideas which could be “game-changers” on the battlefield have been AWOL from Detroit’s methods of operation for some time now. Clark goes on in his op-ed to harp on the need for new hybrid powerplants and electrical generation capability in the next generation of military vehicles, while conveniently ignoring the fact that nearly all of the innovative work in this field right now is being done outside of the United States. The general seems to believe that a focused military investment in this area will bring a huge leap forward - but it’s been decades since we’ve seen a major leap forward in technology that was led by military investment. These days, the reverse is usually true - civilian technology bounds forward while military capabilities struggle to keep up. The average avionics suite in military aircraft these days is state of the art - for 1995-2000. Army vehicles are now getting the ability to see moving maps and send text messages to one another in real time - about four years after the average suburbanite could do it.
What Clark’s rhetoric is really about is Joe Biden’s infamous three-letter word: J-O-B-S. It’s an open secret that every year, the defense budget becomes less about getting the most capable equipment into servicemembers’ hands, and more about protecting the job base in as many congressional districts as possible. The viability of a defense program is no longer determined by its ability to produce a product on time and in budget, but by how many states it can be spread across to ensure viability. The hysteria over the recent award (later revoked) of the Air Force’s new tanker to EADS Aerospace is a great case in point - while some of the arguments over confusion on requirements and design was well-founded, other arguments were nakedly protectionist in design and had nothing to do with the capabilities of the aircraft itself...
Also from IAVA this morning, it seems that US Representative Chet Edwards (D-TX) was on the short list for Obama's Secretary of Veteran Affairs...but word is he would prefer to remain in Congress.
U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards says he’s honored to have been considered for Veteran Affairs secretary but he plans to stay in Congress.
The Waco Democrat said Sunday he told President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team that he’ll continue representing his Texas district, where voters this month re-elected him to a 10th term.
“While it is an honor to have been considered for the position of U.S. Secretary of Veterans Affairs, I believe I can make the most difference for veterans, our district and country by continuing to serve in Congress,” Edwards said in a news release.
Edwards is chairman of the House Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Committee.
“With our nation at war, this is a critical time for our veterans, and I want to remain in a position to push for budgets in Congress that truly honor their service to country,” he said.
He was also on Obama’s short list of potential running mates during the presidential campaign this summer.
Finally this morning...changing gears widely here. Most of you know I'm a bit of a WWII geek, and indeed have a long-term interest in most matters Naval. So I was interested to read a new story yesterday about the sinking of the Mary Rose (Henry VIII's flagship) at the Battle of the Solent in 1545. The legend is that it was upset by a freak squall and sank, but new evidence seems to indicate that it was indeed sunk by enemy action, then covered up in the interest of morale. Does that sound vaguely familiar to you?
Henry VIII's flagship Mary Rose was sunk by a French cannonball and this was covered up by political spin, according to a new academic study.
Until now it was believed a combination of wind and tide pressed Mary Rose over, causing her gun ports to flood in a 16th Century battle in the Solent.
But University of Portsmouth geographer Dominic Fontana said the truth was withheld to maintain the Navy's image.
Mary Rose sank with the loss of more than 400 lives on 19 July 1545.
By claiming the ship was toppled by wind and an incompetent crew, the Navy's supremacy was maintained, Henry VIII's pride remained intact and the French were unable to claim victory, said Dr Fontana.
"The Mary Rose was holed by French gunfire received from an advance party of fast, oar-powered galleys which were heavily armed," he said.
"She would have quickly taken quite a quantity of water into her hull before she manoeuvred to bring a broadside of guns to bear on the attacking French galleys."
That fateful manoeuvre was her undoing he said because the sudden movement of water in the hold caused her to capsize....
...Dr Fontana said: "Mary Rose was hit by French gunfire and despite valiant efforts being made by her crew she capsized just one mile from Southsea Castle from where King Henry VIII was watching.
"Those onshore would not have known anything about flooding in the hull caused by a French hit on the ship and it would have appeared as though she had been caught by a freak gust of wind and blown over."
Mary Rose sank after 34 years of service, fighting in two wars against the French and one against the Spanish.
I suppose some things never change...
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 13:49:29
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 13:49:29
Morning :hug:
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/18/2008 13:55:41
Mondobubba on 11/18/2008 13:55:41
Hello everbody! 
I will now say see you later. I need to get organized and on the road. It is cold in eastern North Carolina this morning!
I will now say see you later. I need to get organized and on the road. It is cold in eastern North Carolina this morning!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:11:27
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:11:27
aaawwww 
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 11/18/2008 14:11:40
Will in Chicago on 11/18/2008 14:11:40
Good morning, bloggers!!! Excellent post, TriSec. I think it shows that it took a while to get into the situation we are with the military-industrial complex and it will take a while to get out of it.
I am home today, as there is apparently no call for me to sub. I did have an interview for a full time position yesterday, which I think went well. It is sort of hard to tell when the interview lasts about 15 minutes.
The UNN Daily Headlines are up. The big story this morning is the report from the Guardian: Clinton to accept offer of secretary of state job.
I have mixed feelings on this. Yes, I can see the logic of keeping Hillary Clinton inside the tent and she is a very talented person. On the other hand, I wonder if she can be an effective subordinate to PRESIDENT OBAMA and I worry if Bill Clinton has any embarrassing business dealings.
I am home today, as there is apparently no call for me to sub. I did have an interview for a full time position yesterday, which I think went well. It is sort of hard to tell when the interview lasts about 15 minutes.
The UNN Daily Headlines are up. The big story this morning is the report from the Guardian: Clinton to accept offer of secretary of state job.
I have mixed feelings on this. Yes, I can see the logic of keeping Hillary Clinton inside the tent and she is a very talented person. On the other hand, I wonder if she can be an effective subordinate to PRESIDENT OBAMA and I worry if Bill Clinton has any embarrassing business dealings.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:13:13
Are you seeing your parents or coming up to my redneck of the woods :)
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:13:13
Quote by Mondobubba:
Hello everbody!
Are you seeing your parents or coming up to my redneck of the woods :)
Comment by 
BobR on 11/18/2008 14:15:27
BobR on 11/18/2008 14:15:27
morning folks... :coffee:
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/18/2008 14:19:12
Scoopster on 11/18/2008 14:19:12
Urrrghgh.. morning guys :coffee:
I just had a chat with my boss about the commute.. Looks like I'm probably gonna be late for at least the rest of the week because they have the highway torn up for repaving in the city and THE IDIOTS IN THIS DAMN STATE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! :rage:
In other news.. I think I'm gonna get one of those iPod Touch thingies to replace my half-functional Chinese knockoff discman. I just wish it had a FM tuner in it!
I just had a chat with my boss about the commute.. Looks like I'm probably gonna be late for at least the rest of the week because they have the highway torn up for repaving in the city and THE IDIOTS IN THIS DAMN STATE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! :rage:
In other news.. I think I'm gonna get one of those iPod Touch thingies to replace my half-functional Chinese knockoff discman. I just wish it had a FM tuner in it!
Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 14:22:45
BobR on 11/18/2008 14:22:45
I love this NightSkin commercial... maybe it's just hearing Momma say "I feel like I got a facial in my sleep"....
:rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/18/2008 14:28:11
Will in Chicago on 11/18/2008 14:28:11
I just got a call to sub. I will be back later. Be well.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2008 14:31:22
Scoopster on 11/18/2008 14:31:22
Hey what'd y'all think of Arianna Huffington's gig subbing for Rachel last night?
To be honest.. I had to turn it off after the first five minutes. I don't usually mind her voice but it sounded so flat and strange last night. I think she was trying too hard.
To be honest.. I had to turn it off after the first five minutes. I don't usually mind her voice but it sounded so flat and strange last night. I think she was trying too hard.
Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 14:36:58
I didn't see much, but I'd have to agree. She was trying to be the "serious news anchor" person instead of just being herself.
BobR on 11/18/2008 14:36:58
Quote by Scoopster:
Hey what'd y'all think of Arianna Huffington's gig subbing for Rachel last night?
To be honest.. I had to turn it off after the first five minutes. I don't usually mind her voice but it sounded so flat and strange last night. I think she was trying to hard.
I didn't see much, but I'd have to agree. She was trying to be the "serious news anchor" person instead of just being herself.
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/18/2008 14:40:59
TriSec on 11/18/2008 14:40:59
Celebratory sex after the Obama victory?
Not around these parts.
:kickcan:
Not around these parts.
:kickcan:
Comment by 
Raine on 11/18/2008 14:40:59
Raine on 11/18/2008 14:40:59
Good morning!:coffee:
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:47:08
If you just looking for a way to play an ipod through the car radio, you can - there's a car thing you can get at Target.
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:47:08
Quote by Scoopster:
Urrrghgh.. morning guys :coffee:
I just had a chat with my boss about the commute.. Looks like I'm probably gonna be late for at least the rest of the week because they have the highway torn up for repaving in the city and THE IDIOTS IN THIS DAMN STATE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! :rage:
In other news.. I think I'm gonna get one of those iPod Touch thingies to replace my half-functional Chinese knockoff discman. I just wish it had a FM tuner in it!
If you just looking for a way to play an ipod through the car radio, you can - there's a car thing you can get at Target.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:48:05
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:48:05
Hey Bob, Raine, everyone :D
Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2008 14:52:14
Nah I'm looking for a way to get FM radio on an iPod.. I saw an addon tuner unit someplace but I don't know if it's compatible with the iPod Touch.
Scoopster on 11/18/2008 14:52:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
Urrrghgh.. morning guys :coffee:
I just had a chat with my boss about the commute.. Looks like I'm probably gonna be late for at least the rest of the week because they have the highway torn up for repaving in the city and THE IDIOTS IN THIS DAMN STATE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! :rage:
In other news.. I think I'm gonna get one of those iPod Touch thingies to replace my half-functional Chinese knockoff discman. I just wish it had a FM tuner in it!
If you just looking for a way to play an ipod through the car radio, you can - there's a car thing you can get at Target.
Nah I'm looking for a way to get FM radio on an iPod.. I saw an addon tuner unit someplace but I don't know if it's compatible with the iPod Touch.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:53:52
OOOhhhhhh - that I don't know. I'm only tech savie enough to make it look impressive to my family :p
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:53:52
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
Urrrghgh.. morning guys :coffee:
I just had a chat with my boss about the commute.. Looks like I'm probably gonna be late for at least the rest of the week because they have the highway torn up for repaving in the city and THE IDIOTS IN THIS DAMN STATE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! :rage:
In other news.. I think I'm gonna get one of those iPod Touch thingies to replace my half-functional Chinese knockoff discman. I just wish it had a FM tuner in it!
If you just looking for a way to play an ipod through the car radio, you can - there's a car thing you can get at Target.
Nah I'm looking for a way to get FM radio on an iPod.. I saw an addon tuner unit someplace but I don't know if it's compatible with the iPod Touch.
OOOhhhhhh - that I don't know. I'm only tech savie enough to make it look impressive to my family :p
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 15:22:53
TriSec on 11/18/2008 15:22:53
[map geek]
OK, so I check on this "transit" thingy Momma is all about. A google search of "New York Transit" leads me to the NYC Subway.
Checking the DOT, there's nothing about a "transit" anywhere. I was finally able to find a state highway map through the "I
NY" website.
Nothing called the "Transit" there. Lockport is up state route 78, no interstate or toll road anywhere near it. The New York Thruway is part of Interstate 90, with a branch heading up I-190 towards Niagara Falls, but peters out far from Lockport.
I dunno...unless it's a regional name of some sort...no such road.
[/map geek]
OK, so I check on this "transit" thingy Momma is all about. A google search of "New York Transit" leads me to the NYC Subway.
Checking the DOT, there's nothing about a "transit" anywhere. I was finally able to find a state highway map through the "I
NY" website.Nothing called the "Transit" there. Lockport is up state route 78, no interstate or toll road anywhere near it. The New York Thruway is part of Interstate 90, with a branch heading up I-190 towards Niagara Falls, but peters out far from Lockport.
I dunno...unless it's a regional name of some sort...no such road.
[/map geek]
Comment by 
Shane-O on 11/18/2008 15:27:29
There is a road that runs N-S in Buffalo called "Transit Road" -- locally called "The Transit"
(I used to live in Orchard Park)
Shane-O on 11/18/2008 15:27:29
Quote by TriSec:
[map geek]
OK, so I check on this "transit" thingy Momma is all about. A google search of "New York Transit" leads me to the NYC Subway.
Checking the DOT, there's nothing about a "transit" anywhere. I was finally able to find a state highway map through the "I
Nothing called the "Transit" there. Lockport is up state route 78, no interstate or toll road anywhere near it. The New York Thruway is part of Interstate 90, with a branch heading up I-190 towards Niagara Falls, but peters out far from Lockport.
I dunno...unless it's a regional name of some sort...no such road.
[/map geek]
There is a road that runs N-S in Buffalo called "Transit Road" -- locally called "The Transit"
(I used to live in Orchard Park)
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 15:29:22
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 15:29:22
well - technically - if we choose to see God as a man then yes
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 15:33:37
Raine on 11/18/2008 15:33:37
Heya Shane-O! How have you been?
Comment by Shane-O on 11/18/2008 15:37:16
GREAT! -- how bout you? I'm taking a "snow day" -- thus, bi-blogging.
Sorry I've been so absent :(
Shane-O on 11/18/2008 15:37:16
Quote by Raine:
Heya Shane-O! How have you been?
GREAT! -- how bout you? I'm taking a "snow day" -- thus, bi-blogging.
Sorry I've been so absent :(
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 15:45:24
TriSec on 11/18/2008 15:45:24
Forget it, Jim.
The only people in Hollywood that can do a Boston Accent are Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, and the Wahlberg boys.
What's that, they're all from Dorchester?
Well, there you go.
The only people in Hollywood that can do a Boston Accent are Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, and the Wahlberg boys.
What's that, they're all from Dorchester?
Well, there you go.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 15:48:35
How much snow do you have?
Raine on 11/18/2008 15:48:35
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Heya Shane-O! How have you been?
GREAT! -- how bout you? I'm taking a "snow day" -- thus, bi-blogging.
Sorry I've been so absent :(
Comment by Shane-O on 11/18/2008 15:49:57
Just a few inches -- no reason for a true snow day. Only an excuse to be lazy! - Yay!
Shane-O on 11/18/2008 15:49:57
Quote by Raine:How much snow do you have?Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Heya Shane-O! How have you been?
GREAT! -- how bout you? I'm taking a "snow day" -- thus, bi-blogging.
Sorry I've been so absent :(
Just a few inches -- no reason for a true snow day. Only an excuse to be lazy! - Yay!
Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 15:57:26
welcome back. I had a great idea for a sound mashup, but it's a little "old news" now... I was thinking interspersing bits of Palin's incoherent speeches with music clips from the Rolling Stones "Midnight Rambler", Bob Seeger's "Rambling Man", and Led Zepplin's "Ramble On"....
BobR on 11/18/2008 15:57:26
Quote by Shane-O:
GREAT! -- how bout you? I'm taking a "snow day" -- thus, bi-blogging.
Sorry I've been so absent :(
welcome back. I had a great idea for a sound mashup, but it's a little "old news" now... I was thinking interspersing bits of Palin's incoherent speeches with music clips from the Rolling Stones "Midnight Rambler", Bob Seeger's "Rambling Man", and Led Zepplin's "Ramble On"....
Comment by 
livingonli on 11/18/2008 15:57:45
livingonli on 11/18/2008 15:57:45
A belated good morning everyone. 
:sleeping:
Our forecast originally predicted an all-day rain/snow mix but now the sun is out. It is cold here though.
Since this is my weekend, I believe I have to go get a new winter jacket since my last one fell apart. Why don't they build anything to last anymore?
:sleeping:Our forecast originally predicted an all-day rain/snow mix but now the sun is out. It is cold here though.
Since this is my weekend, I believe I have to go get a new winter jacket since my last one fell apart. Why don't they build anything to last anymore?
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 15:59:21
Planned Obsolescence.
How can you be a repeat customer if something you buy lasts more than 6 months?
TriSec on 11/18/2008 15:59:21
Quote by livingonli:
Since this is my weekend, I believe I have to go get a new winter jacket since my last one fell apart. Why don't they build anything to last anymore?
Planned Obsolescence.
How can you be a repeat customer if something you buy lasts more than 6 months?
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:07:07
It just pisses me off because I'm not big on shopping for clothes and often only do it when the stuff I have starts falling apart. My late mother would always note how stuff she bought when she was younger even minor things would last for years and even decades and when she had to replace something, the replacement item only lasted a year or two before it needed to be replaced.
livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:07:07
Quote by TriSec:Quote by livingonli:
Since this is my weekend, I believe I have to go get a new winter jacket since my last one fell apart. Why don't they build anything to last anymore?
Planned Obsolescence.
How can you be a repeat customer if something you buy lasts more than 6 months?
It just pisses me off because I'm not big on shopping for clothes and often only do it when the stuff I have starts falling apart. My late mother would always note how stuff she bought when she was younger even minor things would last for years and even decades and when she had to replace something, the replacement item only lasted a year or two before it needed to be replaced.
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 16:11:13
TriSec on 11/18/2008 16:11:13
I really noticed that with my work boots. I'm not big on shoes; I own one pair.
Anyway, I used to swear by Timberland. Up until maybe 8 or 9 years ago, they were "Made in the USA" and I would get two or three seasons out of a pair of boots. (I wear them hard; 18 months is a good tenure with me.)
Anyway....they moved production to China, and after I bought two pairs that didn't even last a year each, I stopped buying them.
Anyway, I used to swear by Timberland. Up until maybe 8 or 9 years ago, they were "Made in the USA" and I would get two or three seasons out of a pair of boots. (I wear them hard; 18 months is a good tenure with me.)
Anyway....they moved production to China, and after I bought two pairs that didn't even last a year each, I stopped buying them.
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:12:47
livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:12:47
LIEberweasel needs a major bitch slapping.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:16:26
Raine on 11/18/2008 16:16:26
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:16:56
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:16:56
wow - a Camay reference - do they even make Camay any more?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:22:13
wear comfortable shoes - there's a lot of standing.
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:22:13
Quote by Raine:
4 Million in DC for inaugeration?
Mental note... bring extra food....
wear comfortable shoes - there's a lot of standing.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:23:18
Raine on 11/18/2008 16:23:18
Liv and Tri: you can see if you like anything here.
Plenty of stuff still made in the USA. Scroll down for Outerwear and Work boots...
Plenty of stuff still made in the USA. Scroll down for Outerwear and Work boots...
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:24:06
I am SO ready for standing!
Raine on 11/18/2008 16:24:06
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
4 Million in DC for inaugeration?
Mental note... bring extra food....
wear comfortable shoes - there's a lot of standing.
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 16:26:43
:thud:
Geez, will we even be able to get to the Metro?
Greenbelt has 3,500 parking spots...but I suppose we could see if the hotel is on a bus route or get a cab in a pinch...
TriSec on 11/18/2008 16:26:43
Quote by Raine:
4 Million in DC for inaugeration?
Mental note... bring extra food....
:thud:
Geez, will we even be able to get to the Metro?
Greenbelt has 3,500 parking spots...but I suppose we could see if the hotel is on a bus route or get a cab in a pinch...
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:27:27
I'm beginning to think that's a little overwhelming for me. I may get the best view just staying home and watching it on my HD set.
livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:27:27
Quote by Raine:
4 Million in DC for inaugeration?
Mental note... bring extra food....
I'm beginning to think that's a little overwhelming for me. I may get the best view just staying home and watching it on my HD set.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:33:39
Raine on 11/18/2008 16:33:39
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:35:22
I think we'll be alright getting there. The hotel is about a mile away... we can walk that. Plus it's the last (or first, going tnto DC) stop on the line, so we should be able to get a seat.
Raine on 11/18/2008 16:35:22
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
4 Million in DC for inaugeration?
Mental note... bring extra food....
:thud:
Geez, will we even be able to get to the Metro?
Greenbelt has 3,500 parking spots...but I suppose we could see if the hotel is on a bus route or get a cab in a pinch...
I think we'll be alright getting there. The hotel is about a mile away... we can walk that. Plus it's the last (or first, going tnto DC) stop on the line, so we should be able to get a seat.
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:48:13
livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:48:13
Are we still going to have a spring meet-up for those of us who are too intimated by the crowds and can't get affordable lodging for the inaugural?
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 16:52:57
TriSec on 11/18/2008 16:52:57
Well, Herr Mondo is on the road, but isn't there an earth-shattering donut shop somewheres in the DC Metro area that allegedly is better than Kane's?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:53:23
Vienna Metro right? It is the last stop on that line right now seating shouldn't be a prob going in. People who work in DC will probably be able to work from home or have the day off.
Its the coming out of DC that's going to be a major jam up. Smithosian stop will be the most popular along with National Archive they are right near and on the Mall.
I'm still trying to figure out what to do that day - it might just be too pack for me to deal with people - might have to see if Steph and company plans something for that night for the listerners that I can get too. Or met up with someone for din or ---- I don't know right now..... arrgghhhh overload!!!!
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:53:23
Quote by Raine:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
4 Million in DC for inaugeration?
Mental note... bring extra food....
:thud:
Geez, will we even be able to get to the Metro?
Greenbelt has 3,500 parking spots...but I suppose we could see if the hotel is on a bus route or get a cab in a pinch...
I think we'll be alright getting there. The hotel is about a mile away... we can walk that. Plus it's the last (or first, going tnto DC) stop on the line, so we should be able to get a seat.
Vienna Metro right? It is the last stop on that line right now seating shouldn't be a prob going in. People who work in DC will probably be able to work from home or have the day off.
Its the coming out of DC that's going to be a major jam up. Smithosian stop will be the most popular along with National Archive they are right near and on the Mall.
I'm still trying to figure out what to do that day - it might just be too pack for me to deal with people - might have to see if Steph and company plans something for that night for the listerners that I can get too. Or met up with someone for din or ---- I don't know right now..... arrgghhhh overload!!!!
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:55:39
Raine on 11/18/2008 16:55:39
Looks like LIEberman was not voted out... waiting for a link. Harry Reid is speaking.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:57:23
I think it's going to depend on finances for everyone and how many will be able to make it in the spring. There's always a chance it gets moved to summer or fall. I think flexibilty is going to be a key for any and all meet ups.
4F = hearding cats :D
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:57:23
Quote by livingonli:
Are we still going to have a spring meet-up for those of us who are too intimated by the crowds and can't get affordable lodging for the inaugural?
I think it's going to depend on finances for everyone and how many will be able to make it in the spring. There's always a chance it gets moved to summer or fall. I think flexibilty is going to be a key for any and all meet ups.
4F = hearding cats :D
Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 17:01:10
I am inclined to stay in the city and party until the crowds thin out on the metro.
BobR on 11/18/2008 17:01:10
Quote by wickedpam:
Vienna Metro right? It is the last stop on that line right now seating shouldn't be a prob going in. People who work in DC will probably be able to work from home or have the day off.
Its the coming out of DC that's going to be a major jam up. Smithosian stop will be the most popular along with National Archive they are right near and on the Mall.
I'm still trying to figure out what to do that day - it might just be too pack for me to deal with people - might have to see if Steph and company plans something for that night for the listerners that I can get too. Or met up with someone for din or ---- I don't know right now..... arrgghhhh overload!!!!
I am inclined to stay in the city and party until the crowds thin out on the metro.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 17:06:22
Raine on 11/18/2008 17:06:22
Ok, SO LIEberman is maintaining his DHS seat, giving up Environment and remaining a chair on the subcommittee of something that overseas the Army (forgot the name) .
According to LIEberwiesel, Harry Reid has said that senators now can only chair 1 major committee and one subcommittee.
I am so damn pissed. That fucking turncoat blackmailed the dems.
According to LIEberwiesel, Harry Reid has said that senators now can only chair 1 major committee and one subcommittee.
I am so damn pissed. That fucking turncoat blackmailed the dems.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2008 17:06:56
My mom still uses that horrible stuff..
Scoopster on 11/18/2008 17:06:56
Quote by wickedpam:
wow - a Camay reference - do they even make Camay any more?
My mom still uses that horrible stuff..
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 17:06:57
Look at what it took for us to get together last spring even though we did pull it off. I guess you're as intimidated by the huge crowds as I am.
livingonli on 11/18/2008 17:06:57
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Are we still going to have a spring meet-up for those of us who are too intimated by the crowds and can't get affordable lodging for the inaugural?
I think it's going to depend on finances for everyone and how many will be able to make it in the spring. There's always a chance it gets moved to summer or fall. I think flexibilty is going to be a key for any and all meet ups.
4F = hearding cats :D
Look at what it took for us to get together last spring even though we did pull it off. I guess you're as intimidated by the huge crowds as I am.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 17:09:38
With 4 mil it's still going to be crowded, I would peel a little away from the main tourist areas, not sure if Georgetown or Adams Morgan would be advisable either. DC is such a small city it's hard to get away from crowds like that...
wickedpam on 11/18/2008 17:09:38
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
Vienna Metro right? It is the last stop on that line right now seating shouldn't be a prob going in. People who work in DC will probably be able to work from home or have the day off.
Its the coming out of DC that's going to be a major jam up. Smithosian stop will be the most popular along with National Archive they are right near and on the Mall.
I'm still trying to figure out what to do that day - it might just be too pack for me to deal with people - might have to see if Steph and company plans something for that night for the listerners that I can get too. Or met up with someone for din or ---- I don't know right now..... arrgghhhh overload!!!!
I am inclined to stay in the city and party until the crowds thin out on the metro.
With 4 mil it's still going to be crowded, I would peel a little away from the main tourist areas, not sure if Georgetown or Adams Morgan would be advisable either. DC is such a small city it's hard to get away from crowds like that...
Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 17:20:35
It will be fine - everyone will be in a good mood. There will be parties and stuff, so that will get some people off the streets.
I imagine the restaurants and bars will be maxed out. THAT's going to be the challenge... that's why we're going to bring some food with us...
BobR on 11/18/2008 17:20:35
Quote by wickedpam:
With 4 mil it's still going to be crowded, I would peel a little away from the main tourist areas, not sure if Georgetown or Adams Morgan would be advisable either. DC is such a small city it's hard to get away from crowds like that...
It will be fine - everyone will be in a good mood. There will be parties and stuff, so that will get some people off the streets.
I imagine the restaurants and bars will be maxed out. THAT's going to be the challenge... that's why we're going to bring some food with us...
Comment by 
Random on 11/18/2008 17:23:57
Random on 11/18/2008 17:23:57
I do like this show.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 17:31:09
The fellow filling on for Thom?
He is pretty good.
Raine on 11/18/2008 17:31:09
Quote by Random:
I do like this show.
He is pretty good.
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 17:34:41
Hm..No...I'm watching LIFE.
Random on 11/18/2008 17:34:41
Quote by Raine:The fellow filling on for Thom?Quote by Random:
I do like this show.
He is pretty good.
Hm..No...I'm watching LIFE.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 11/18/2008 17:36:24
m-hadley on 11/18/2008 17:36:24
Heya 4Fers,
Here's some news - my new grrrl friend and I will be driving out to DC for the Inauguration, we will be staying with a former student of mine who now works for the Native American Rights Fund DC Office - whoo hooo. I am so excited. We will leave Tulsa on Saturday morning (Jan. 17th) drive all day, get a motel room (ha cha cha :P) then arrive in DC on Sunday evening. We'll spend Monday recuperating from the drive and wake up ready to welcome Barack and family to the White House on Tuesday. I've written to my Repub Congressman Sullivan (who I hope doesn't hold all the nasty e-mails I've sent him over the years against me) to request tickets. Won't know about those until after Christmahannakwanisica
I just couldn't NOT be there for this moment in History. We have each others' cell phone numbers, so I am sure that we will hook one way or tother - I am so very excited ('scuse me, I seem to be repeating myself...), But have I mentioned how excited I am???
DC or bust!!! :dance:
Cheers,
mfaye & :peace:
Here's some news - my new grrrl friend and I will be driving out to DC for the Inauguration, we will be staying with a former student of mine who now works for the Native American Rights Fund DC Office - whoo hooo. I am so excited. We will leave Tulsa on Saturday morning (Jan. 17th) drive all day, get a motel room (ha cha cha :P) then arrive in DC on Sunday evening. We'll spend Monday recuperating from the drive and wake up ready to welcome Barack and family to the White House on Tuesday. I've written to my Repub Congressman Sullivan (who I hope doesn't hold all the nasty e-mails I've sent him over the years against me) to request tickets. Won't know about those until after Christmahannakwanisica
I just couldn't NOT be there for this moment in History. We have each others' cell phone numbers, so I am sure that we will hook one way or tother - I am so very excited ('scuse me, I seem to be repeating myself...), But have I mentioned how excited I am???DC or bust!!! :dance:
Cheers,
mfaye
& :peace:
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 17:37:22
Random on 11/18/2008 17:37:22
or Life, or however it's typed.
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 18:24:47
Random on 11/18/2008 18:24:47
These ads are pissin me off!
*random yells to an empty blog*
*random yells to an empty blog*
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 11/18/2008 18:30:15
I think she was trying to keep the thick accent under control. It can be overwhelming at times when she is talking off the cuff.
It seems people are going to have to adopt the "go with the flow" attitude at the inauguration or they will be miserable. With so many people, clogged streets and sidewalks, and transportation backups, the best plan is to have no concrete plan because there will be many deviations from Plan A. It's gonna be craaaaazy fun!
Possible Dick Cheney scandal brewing involving private prisons and organized crime. A grand jury is doing an investigation.
IzzyBitz on 11/18/2008 18:30:15
Quote by Scoopster:
Hey what'd y'all think of Arianna Huffington's gig subbing for Rachel last night?
To be honest.. I had to turn it off after the first five minutes. I don't usually mind her voice but it sounded so flat and strange last night. I think she was trying too hard.
I think she was trying to keep the thick accent under control. It can be overwhelming at times when she is talking off the cuff.
It seems people are going to have to adopt the "go with the flow" attitude at the inauguration or they will be miserable. With so many people, clogged streets and sidewalks, and transportation backups, the best plan is to have no concrete plan because there will be many deviations from Plan A. It's gonna be craaaaazy fun!
Possible Dick Cheney scandal brewing involving private prisons and organized crime. A grand jury is doing an investigation.
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 18:36:00
livingonli on 11/18/2008 18:36:00
Time for me to go head to the bank and then do some shopping and maybe an early dinner.
See you all in a couple of hours.
See you all in a couple of hours.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 19:39:24
Raine on 11/18/2008 19:39:24
I agree with you on the Flow thing Izzy. Some of the best times I have had in my life were the result of flowing.
Back from Lunch ...
love chinese food on cold days.
Back from Lunch ...
love chinese food on cold days.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 19:41:22
I love that show!
Raine on 11/18/2008 19:41:22
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:The fellow filling on for Thom?Quote by Random:
I do like this show.
He is pretty good.
Hm..No...I'm watching LIFE.
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 19:48:11
Raine on 11/18/2008 19:48:11
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 19:55:40
I'm lovin it, NBC has all of first season.
Episode 4 so far.
Random on 11/18/2008 19:55:40
Quote by Raine:I love that show!Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:The fellow filling on for Thom?Quote by Random:
I do like this show.
He is pretty good.
Hm..No...I'm watching LIFE.
I'm lovin it, NBC has all of first season.
Episode 4 so far.
Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 20:12:47
Excellent! We are going to get into town the night before (1/19), possibly mid-afternoon, if you want to hook up for dinner or drinks...
BobR on 11/18/2008 20:12:47
Quote by m-hadley:
Heya 4Fers,
Here's some news - my new grrrl friend and I will be driving out to DC for the Inauguration, we will be staying with a former student of mine who now works for the Native American Rights Fund DC Office - whoo hooo. I am so excited. We will leave Tulsa on Saturday morning (Jan. 17th) drive all day, get a motel room (ha cha cha :P) then arrive in DC on Sunday evening. We'll spend Monday recuperating from the drive and wake up ready to welcome Barack and family to the White House on Tuesday. I've written to my Repub Congressman Sullivan (who I hope doesn't hold all the nasty e-mails I've sent him over the years against me) to request tickets. Won't know about those until after Christmahannakwanisica
DC or bust!!! :dance:
Cheers,
mfaye
Excellent! We are going to get into town the night before (1/19), possibly mid-afternoon, if you want to hook up for dinner or drinks...
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 20:25:09
TriSec on 11/18/2008 20:25:09
Dustin Pedroia wins the AL MVP!
:party:
Javi met him this year as part of a "Red Sox Kid Nation" promotion....went on the hallowed green of Fenway, sat in the dugout, and we got lunch, too!
:party:
Javi met him this year as part of a "Red Sox Kid Nation" promotion....went on the hallowed green of Fenway, sat in the dugout, and we got lunch, too!
Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 20:26:00
I think we're scattered all over the DC Metro area....anyone know a good central location to meet?
TriSec on 11/18/2008 20:26:00
Quote by BobR:
Excellent! We are going to get into town the night before (1/19), possibly mid-afternoon, if you want to hook up for dinner or drinks...
I think we're scattered all over the DC Metro area....anyone know a good central location to meet?
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 20:43:53
Raine on 11/18/2008 20:43:53
We have an Attorney General ... Eric Holder has reportedly accepted the position offered to him by Barack Obama.
Comment by m-hadley on 11/18/2008 20:59:16
BobR & Raine,
Amy and I would love to hook up with you and any other 4Fer who may be in town. I am not even sure where the friend that we will be staying with lives (I think near DuPont Circle, but I'm not sure). I e-mailed her and asked her about a restaurant or pub w/grub - that may be suitable for a little meet-up - I'll let you know what I hear from her. I am soooo very, very excited about this excellent event :D
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 11/18/2008 20:59:16
Quote by BobR:Quote by m-hadley:
Heya 4Fers,
Here's some news - my new grrrl friend and I will be driving out to DC for the Inauguration, we will be staying with a former student of mine who now works for the Native American Rights Fund DC Office - whoo hooo. I am so excited. We will leave Tulsa on Saturday morning (Jan. 17th) drive all day, get a motel room (ha cha cha :P) then arrive in DC on Sunday evening. We'll spend Monday recuperating from the drive and wake up ready to welcome Barack and family to the White House on Tuesday. I've written to my Repub Congressman Sullivan (who I hope doesn't hold all the nasty e-mails I've sent him over the years against me) to request tickets. Won't know about those until after Christmahannakwanisica
DC or bust!!! :dance:
Cheers,
mfaye
Excellent! We are going to get into town the night before (1/19), possibly mid-afternoon, if you want to hook up for dinner or drinks...
BobR & Raine,
Amy and I would love to hook up with you and any other 4Fer who may be in town. I am not even sure where the friend that we will be staying with lives (I think near DuPont Circle, but I'm not sure). I e-mailed her and asked her about a restaurant or pub w/grub - that may be suitable for a little meet-up - I'll let you know what I hear from her. I am soooo very, very excited about this excellent event :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 22:15:54
livingonli on 11/18/2008 22:15:54
I leave the house for a few hours and this blog gets too quiet.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 11/18/2008 22:53:58
trojanrabbit on 11/18/2008 22:53:58
Bleah.
Today was layoff day at work, so we were all sorta keeping in the shadows. We lost 3 in our group, it was supposed to be 5% worldwide, so we gave up a bit more than our 5%.
So I'm trying to unwind, my chest is tight, but I'm calming down a bit with the kitties around purring up a storm. Smart little devils.
Today was layoff day at work, so we were all sorta keeping in the shadows. We lost 3 in our group, it was supposed to be 5% worldwide, so we gave up a bit more than our 5%.
So I'm trying to unwind, my chest is tight, but I'm calming down a bit with the kitties around purring up a storm. Smart little devils.
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 22:58:52
livingonli on 11/18/2008 22:58:52
Sorry to hear about that, TR.
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 23:24:38
Random on 11/18/2008 23:24:38
Yay homeless guy is innocent.
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 23:38:36
Random on 11/18/2008 23:38:36
Anyone here...?
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 23:41:47
livingonli on 11/18/2008 23:41:47
I'm here, sort of, but I am kind of nodding off.
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 23:44:06
Random on 11/18/2008 23:44:06
Ah...well, Random is just dull tonight.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2008 23:46:21
Scoopster on 11/18/2008 23:46:21
Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 23:46:23
livingonli on 11/18/2008 23:46:23
In my case, lack of sleep is starting to catch up with me.
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 23:47:09
Random on 11/18/2008 23:47:09
Random is going to go insane, listening to this windex commercial over and over again.
Comment by Random on 11/18/2008 23:49:26
Holy Shite
Random on 11/18/2008 23:49:26
Quote by Scoopster:
Ok I'm home.. How's it goin?
Dick Cheney & Alberto Gonzales got indicted! (NOT A JOKE)
Holy Shite
Comment by Raine on 11/19/2008 00:16:13
Raine on 11/19/2008 00:16:13
Comment by Raine on 11/19/2008 00:21:05
I did n't refresh before I posted, but...
Scoop... !!! HOLY SHITE!
Raine on 11/19/2008 00:21:05
Quote by Scoopster:
Ok I'm home.. How's it goin?
Dick Cheney & Alberto Gonzales got indicted! (NOT A JOKE)
I did n't refresh before I posted, but...
Scoop...
!!! HOLY SHITE!
Comment by Raine on 11/19/2008 00:30:25
Sorry to hear it rabbit. :::Pours nice glass of Merlot::: Passes it over to trojanrabbit.
On the house.
Raine on 11/19/2008 00:30:25
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Bleah.
Today was layoff day at work, so we were all sorta keeping in the shadows. We lost 3 in our group, it was supposed to be 5% worldwide, so we gave up a bit more than our 5%.
So I'm trying to unwind, my chest is tight, but I'm calming down a bit with the kitties around purring up a storm. Smart little devils.
Sorry to hear it rabbit. :::Pours nice glass of Merlot::: Passes it over to trojanrabbit.
On the house.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/19/2008 00:31:57
Same here and mmmmm good. Adjustments will be made to the flow if we get tickets to anything.
IzzyBitz on 11/19/2008 00:31:57
Quote by Raine:
I agree with you on the Flow thing Izzy. Some of the best times I have had in my life were the result of flowing.
Back from Lunch ...
Same here and mmmmm good. Adjustments will be made to the flow if we get tickets to anything.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/19/2008 00:35:31
Cub Reporter Izzy teased this story earlier. I wonder if Bush will give him one of those pre-emptive pardons before he leaves office. God, I can't wait to see that helicopter leave the White House on inauguration day.
IzzyBitz on 11/19/2008 00:35:31
Quote by Scoopster:
Ok I'm home.. How's it goin?
Dick Cheney & Alberto Gonzales got indicted! (NOT A JOKE)
Cub Reporter Izzy teased this story earlier. I wonder if Bush will give him one of those pre-emptive pardons before he leaves office. God, I can't wait to see that helicopter leave the White House on inauguration day.
Comment by Random on 11/19/2008 00:37:08
Random on 11/19/2008 00:37:08
Did i miss the part where everyone knew Obama's new Attorney General?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/19/2008 00:44:39
Thank you. :hug:
We were pretty much scheduled full out with 3 test techs, now that we're down 1 I can only see things getting more hectic. But I'm still working...that's the good thing.
trojanrabbit on 11/19/2008 00:44:39
Quote by Raine:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Bleah.
Today was layoff day at work, so we were all sorta keeping in the shadows. We lost 3 in our group, it was supposed to be 5% worldwide, so we gave up a bit more than our 5%.
So I'm trying to unwind, my chest is tight, but I'm calming down a bit with the kitties around purring up a storm. Smart little devils.
Sorry to hear it rabbit. :::Pours nice glass of Merlot::: Passes it over to trojanrabbit.
On the house.
Thank you. :hug:
We were pretty much scheduled full out with 3 test techs, now that we're down 1 I can only see things getting more hectic. But I'm still working...that's the good thing.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/19/2008 01:16:18
trojanrabbit on 11/19/2008 01:16:18
Think I'll try some Wii yoga to settle myself down. Then I'll chase that Merlot down with a Sam Adams.... 
I THINK there's one still left.
I THINK there's one still left.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 01:24:52
Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 01:24:52
I am home safe, with a purring kitty cuddled next to me. Life is good.
Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2008 01:29:36
livingonli on 11/19/2008 01:29:36
Oh, and in case anyone didn't see the e-mail Momma will be on Larry King tonight.
Comment by Raine on 11/19/2008 02:01:08
Raine on 11/19/2008 02:01:08
Mark Begach has won ALASKA!!!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/19/2008 02:15:29
trojanrabbit on 11/19/2008 02:15:29
Happy Birthday, LOSER.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 02:25:34
Its official n stuff? Stevens conceded? Sweet!
Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 02:25:34
Quote by Raine:
Mark Begach has won ALASKA!!!
Its official n stuff? Stevens conceded? Sweet!
Comment by MMB on 11/19/2008 02:37:53
MMB on 11/19/2008 02:37:53
Life is great I have my big hunk of love Gen.Lee next to me and he is the best man i have ever known.
Comment by Raine on 11/19/2008 02:51:47
HE said he was not going to ask *ush for a pardon.
Right now Begich is up by about 4K votes and there are less than 2300 Overseas ballots yet to be counted, he cannot overcome the lead. It official. The lead is more than 1/2%, meaning there is no automatic recount.
Raine on 11/19/2008 02:51:47
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Mark Begach has won ALASKA!!!
Its official n stuff? Stevens conceded? Sweet!
Right now Begich is up by about 4K votes and there are less than 2300 Overseas ballots yet to be counted, he cannot overcome the lead. It official. The lead is more than 1/2%, meaning there is no automatic recount.
Comment by Raine on 11/19/2008 02:54:10
:kickcan: I missed the tease!
Some how, I can see *ush pardoning him.
You know what I think? I think that NO president should be able to pardon ANY member of his administration.
PERIOD. I don't car who has the office.
Raine on 11/19/2008 02:54:10
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Scoopster:
Ok I'm home.. How's it goin?
Dick Cheney & Alberto Gonzales got indicted! (NOT A JOKE)
Cub Reporter Izzy teased this story earlier. I wonder if Bush will give him one of those pre-emptive pardons before he leaves office. God, I can't wait to see that helicopter leave the White House on inauguration day.
Some how, I can see *ush pardoning him.
You know what I think? I think that NO president should be able to pardon ANY member of his administration.
PERIOD. I don't car who has the office.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/19/2008 02:54:50
Well, either she was on in the first 15 minutes that I missed, or she wasn't on.
trojanrabbit on 11/19/2008 02:54:50
Quote by livingonli:
Oh, and in case anyone didn't see the e-mail Momma will be on Larry King tonight.
Well, either she was on in the first 15 minutes that I missed, or she wasn't on.
Comment by Random on 11/19/2008 02:59:18
Random on 11/19/2008 02:59:18
....They have ruined a video game...HOW DARE THEY!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:05:46
I saw the WaPo article.
:gloat:
Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:05:46
Quote by Raine:HE said he was not going to ask *ush for a pardon.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Mark Begach has won ALASKA!!!
Its official n stuff? Stevens conceded? Sweet!
Right now Begich is up by about 4K votes and there are less than 2300 Overseas ballots yet to be counted, he cannot overcome the lead. It official. The lead is more than 1/2%, meaning there is no automatic recount.
I saw the WaPo article.
:gloat:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:06:16
What game? Who?
Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:06:16
Quote by Random:
....They have ruined a video game...HOW DARE THEY!
What game? Who?
Comment by Random on 11/19/2008 03:24:52
TV show, Life, has Prince of Persia: The Two thrones. And I'm watching, and they bastardize the death screen, AND they make it seem like it has levels. Jesus. How could they.
Random on 11/19/2008 03:24:52
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
....They have ruined a video game...HOW DARE THEY!
What game? Who?
TV show, Life, has Prince of Persia: The Two thrones. And I'm watching, and they bastardize the death screen, AND they make it seem like it has levels. Jesus. How could they.
Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2008 03:31:13
I missed the first 15 minutes as I was indisposed but I did notice she wasn't on the rest of the show unless she got bumped.
livingonli on 11/19/2008 03:31:13
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Oh, and in case anyone didn't see the e-mail Momma will be on Larry King tonight.
Well, either she was on in the first 15 minutes that I missed, or she wasn't on.
I missed the first 15 minutes as I was indisposed but I did notice she wasn't on the rest of the show unless she got bumped.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:39:32
Well that is just wrong...
Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:39:32
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
....They have ruined a video game...HOW DARE THEY!
What game? Who?
TV show, Life, has Prince of Persia: The Two thrones. And I'm watching, and they bastardize the death screen, AND they make it seem like it has levels. Jesus. How could they.
Well that is just wrong...
Comment by Random on 11/19/2008 03:41:24
I have a feeling you are not taking me seriously.
Random on 11/19/2008 03:41:24
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
....They have ruined a video game...HOW DARE THEY!
What game? Who?
TV show, Life, has Prince of Persia: The Two thrones. And I'm watching, and they bastardize the death screen, AND they make it seem like it has levels. Jesus. How could they.
Well that is just wrong...
I have a feeling you are not taking me seriously.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:55:43
No, I am. When it comes to video games I take you totally seriously. I'm vaguely familiar with PoP.
Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:55:43
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
....They have ruined a video game...HOW DARE THEY!
What game? Who?
TV show, Life, has Prince of Persia: The Two thrones. And I'm watching, and they bastardize the death screen, AND they make it seem like it has levels. Jesus. How could they.
Well that is just wrong...
I have a feeling you are not taking me seriously.
No, I am. When it comes to video games I take you totally seriously. I'm vaguely familiar with PoP.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:55:46
No, I am. When it comes to video games I take you totally seriously. I'm vaguely familiar with PoP.
Mondobubba on 11/19/2008 03:55:46
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
....They have ruined a video game...HOW DARE THEY!
What game? Who?
TV show, Life, has Prince of Persia: The Two thrones. And I'm watching, and they bastardize the death screen, AND they make it seem like it has levels. Jesus. How could they.
Well that is just wrong...
I have a feeling you are not taking me seriously.
No, I am. When it comes to video games I take you totally seriously. I'm vaguely familiar with PoP.
Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2008 04:03:45
livingonli on 11/19/2008 04:03:45
WE has a show called Sex Change Hospital on right now, trying to tell if it's a documentary or a reality show.