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Author: TriSec    Date: 11/18/2008 11:45:45

Good Morning.

Today is our 2,071st day in Iraq.

We'll start this morning as we always do...with the latest casualty figures from the Warron Terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4201
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4062
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3741
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3342
Since Election (1/31/05): 2764

Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 627
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 384
Contractor Deaths - Iraq: 445


We find this morning's cost of war passing through: $ 572, 172, 200, 000.00



Ah, the cost of war. There's 500 billion right there. Add the 700 billion we just gave to the financial interests on Wall Street, and the kicked-around 25 billion being discussed for the auto industry. Yes, the auto industry. Don't you know they are a part of the military-industrial complex? General Clark believes we should bail out the auto industry...primarily so they can keep making Hummers for the army.




Thought you’d heard every conceivable reason for a Detroit bailout? Think again. From an op-ed by retired General Wesley Clark:

Some economists question the wisdom of Washington’s intervening to help the Big Three, arguing that the automakers should pay the price for their own mistakes or that the market will correct itself. But we must act: aiding the American automobile industry is not only an economic imperative, but also a national security imperative.

So once again, the specter of national security raises its ugly head for the justification of a questionable government action. Clark goes on to cite the success of the Humvee, that four-wheeled star of the Gulf War, as an example of how GM’s innovation helps drive national security. But a close look at some examples closer in time tells a very different story. Nearly all of the designs for the latest generation of armored vehicles are taken from original plans by overseas companies. General Clark is right that American civilian auto production didn’t have to divert much capacity to meet the need for new MRAPs - the sad truth is, the Big Three could have done so even if they wanted to, because their product lines are too clunky and not agile enough to meet that kind of short-range demand.

The hard truth of the matter is that truly innovative ideas which could be “game-changers” on the battlefield have been AWOL from Detroit’s methods of operation for some time now. Clark goes on in his op-ed to harp on the need for new hybrid powerplants and electrical generation capability in the next generation of military vehicles, while conveniently ignoring the fact that nearly all of the innovative work in this field right now is being done outside of the United States. The general seems to believe that a focused military investment in this area will bring a huge leap forward - but it’s been decades since we’ve seen a major leap forward in technology that was led by military investment. These days, the reverse is usually true - civilian technology bounds forward while military capabilities struggle to keep up. The average avionics suite in military aircraft these days is state of the art - for 1995-2000. Army vehicles are now getting the ability to see moving maps and send text messages to one another in real time - about four years after the average suburbanite could do it.

What Clark’s rhetoric is really about is Joe Biden’s infamous three-letter word: J-O-B-S. It’s an open secret that every year, the defense budget becomes less about getting the most capable equipment into servicemembers’ hands, and more about protecting the job base in as many congressional districts as possible. The viability of a defense program is no longer determined by its ability to produce a product on time and in budget, but by how many states it can be spread across to ensure viability. The hysteria over the recent award (later revoked) of the Air Force’s new tanker to EADS Aerospace is a great case in point - while some of the arguments over confusion on requirements and design was well-founded, other arguments were nakedly protectionist in design and had nothing to do with the capabilities of the aircraft itself...




Also from IAVA this morning, it seems that US Representative Chet Edwards (D-TX) was on the short list for Obama's Secretary of Veteran Affairs...but word is he would prefer to remain in Congress.




U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards says he’s honored to have been considered for Veteran Affairs secretary but he plans to stay in Congress.

The Waco Democrat said Sunday he told President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team that he’ll continue representing his Texas district, where voters this month re-elected him to a 10th term.

“While it is an honor to have been considered for the position of U.S. Secretary of Veterans Affairs, I believe I can make the most difference for veterans, our district and country by continuing to serve in Congress,” Edwards said in a news release.

Edwards is chairman of the House Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Committee.

“With our nation at war, this is a critical time for our veterans, and I want to remain in a position to push for budgets in Congress that truly honor their service to country,” he said.

He was also on Obama’s short list of potential running mates during the presidential campaign this summer.




Finally this morning...changing gears widely here. Most of you know I'm a bit of a WWII geek, and indeed have a long-term interest in most matters Naval. So I was interested to read a new story yesterday about the sinking of the Mary Rose (Henry VIII's flagship) at the Battle of the Solent in 1545. The legend is that it was upset by a freak squall and sank, but new evidence seems to indicate that it was indeed sunk by enemy action, then covered up in the interest of morale. Does that sound vaguely familiar to you?


Henry VIII's flagship Mary Rose was sunk by a French cannonball and this was covered up by political spin, according to a new academic study.

Until now it was believed a combination of wind and tide pressed Mary Rose over, causing her gun ports to flood in a 16th Century battle in the Solent.

But University of Portsmouth geographer Dominic Fontana said the truth was withheld to maintain the Navy's image.

Mary Rose sank with the loss of more than 400 lives on 19 July 1545.

By claiming the ship was toppled by wind and an incompetent crew, the Navy's supremacy was maintained, Henry VIII's pride remained intact and the French were unable to claim victory, said Dr Fontana.

"The Mary Rose was holed by French gunfire received from an advance party of fast, oar-powered galleys which were heavily armed," he said.

"She would have quickly taken quite a quantity of water into her hull before she manoeuvred to bring a broadside of guns to bear on the attacking French galleys."

That fateful manoeuvre was her undoing he said because the sudden movement of water in the hold caused her to capsize....

...Dr Fontana said: "Mary Rose was hit by French gunfire and despite valiant efforts being made by her crew she capsized just one mile from Southsea Castle from where King Henry VIII was watching.

"Those onshore would not have known anything about flooding in the hull caused by a French hit on the ship and it would have appeared as though she had been caught by a freak gust of wind and blown over."

Mary Rose sank after 34 years of service, fighting in two wars against the French and one against the Spanish.



I suppose some things never change...



 

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Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 13:49:29
Morning :hug:

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2008 13:55:41
Hello everbody! I will now say see you later. I need to get organized and on the road. It is cold in eastern North Carolina this morning!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:11:27
aaawwww

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/18/2008 14:11:40
Good morning, bloggers!!! Excellent post, TriSec. I think it shows that it took a while to get into the situation we are with the military-industrial complex and it will take a while to get out of it.



I am home today, as there is apparently no call for me to sub. I did have an interview for a full time position yesterday, which I think went well. It is sort of hard to tell when the interview lasts about 15 minutes.



The UNN Daily Headlines are up. The big story this morning is the report from the Guardian: Clinton to accept offer of secretary of state job.



I have mixed feelings on this. Yes, I can see the logic of keeping Hillary Clinton inside the tent and she is a very talented person. On the other hand, I wonder if she can be an effective subordinate to PRESIDENT OBAMA and I worry if Bill Clinton has any embarrassing business dealings.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:13:13
Quote by Mondobubba:

Hello everbody! I will now say see you later. I need to get organized and on the road. It is cold in eastern North Carolina this morning!






Are you seeing your parents or coming up to my redneck of the woods :)

Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 14:15:27
morning folks... :coffee:

Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2008 14:19:12
Urrrghgh.. morning guys :coffee:



I just had a chat with my boss about the commute.. Looks like I'm probably gonna be late for at least the rest of the week because they have the highway torn up for repaving in the city and THE IDIOTS IN THIS DAMN STATE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! :rage:



In other news.. I think I'm gonna get one of those iPod Touch thingies to replace my half-functional Chinese knockoff discman. I just wish it had a FM tuner in it!

Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 14:22:45
I love this NightSkin commercial... maybe it's just hearing Momma say "I feel like I got a facial in my sleep"....



:rofl:

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/18/2008 14:28:11
I just got a call to sub. I will be back later. Be well.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2008 14:31:22
Hey what'd y'all think of Arianna Huffington's gig subbing for Rachel last night?



To be honest.. I had to turn it off after the first five minutes. I don't usually mind her voice but it sounded so flat and strange last night. I think she was trying too hard.

Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 14:36:58
Quote by Scoopster:

Hey what'd y'all think of Arianna Huffington's gig subbing for Rachel last night?



To be honest.. I had to turn it off after the first five minutes. I don't usually mind her voice but it sounded so flat and strange last night. I think she was trying to hard.


I didn't see much, but I'd have to agree. She was trying to be the "serious news anchor" person instead of just being herself.

Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 14:40:59
Celebratory sex after the Obama victory?



Not around these parts.





:kickcan:





Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 14:40:59
Good morning!:coffee:

Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:47:08
Quote by Scoopster:

Urrrghgh.. morning guys :coffee:



I just had a chat with my boss about the commute.. Looks like I'm probably gonna be late for at least the rest of the week because they have the highway torn up for repaving in the city and THE IDIOTS IN THIS DAMN STATE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! :rage:



In other news.. I think I'm gonna get one of those iPod Touch thingies to replace my half-functional Chinese knockoff discman. I just wish it had a FM tuner in it!




If you just looking for a way to play an ipod through the car radio, you can - there's a car thing you can get at Target.



Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:48:05
Hey Bob, Raine, everyone :D

Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2008 14:52:14
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Urrrghgh.. morning guys :coffee:



I just had a chat with my boss about the commute.. Looks like I'm probably gonna be late for at least the rest of the week because they have the highway torn up for repaving in the city and THE IDIOTS IN THIS DAMN STATE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! :rage:



In other news.. I think I'm gonna get one of those iPod Touch thingies to replace my half-functional Chinese knockoff discman. I just wish it had a FM tuner in it!




If you just looking for a way to play an ipod through the car radio, you can - there's a car thing you can get at Target.


Nah I'm looking for a way to get FM radio on an iPod.. I saw an addon tuner unit someplace but I don't know if it's compatible with the iPod Touch.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 14:53:52
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Urrrghgh.. morning guys :coffee:



I just had a chat with my boss about the commute.. Looks like I'm probably gonna be late for at least the rest of the week because they have the highway torn up for repaving in the city and THE IDIOTS IN THIS DAMN STATE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! :rage:



In other news.. I think I'm gonna get one of those iPod Touch thingies to replace my half-functional Chinese knockoff discman. I just wish it had a FM tuner in it!




If you just looking for a way to play an ipod through the car radio, you can - there's a car thing you can get at Target.


Nah I'm looking for a way to get FM radio on an iPod.. I saw an addon tuner unit someplace but I don't know if it's compatible with the iPod Touch.






OOOhhhhhh - that I don't know. I'm only tech savie enough to make it look impressive to my family :p



Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 15:22:53
[map geek]



OK, so I check on this "transit" thingy Momma is all about. A google search of "New York Transit" leads me to the NYC Subway.



Checking the DOT, there's nothing about a "transit" anywhere. I was finally able to find a state highway map through the "I NY" website.



Nothing called the "Transit" there. Lockport is up state route 78, no interstate or toll road anywhere near it. The New York Thruway is part of Interstate 90, with a branch heading up I-190 towards Niagara Falls, but peters out far from Lockport.



I dunno...unless it's a regional name of some sort...no such road.



[/map geek]



Comment by Shane-O on 11/18/2008 15:27:29
Quote by TriSec:

[map geek]



OK, so I check on this "transit" thingy Momma is all about. A google search of "New York Transit" leads me to the NYC Subway.



Checking the DOT, there's nothing about a "transit" anywhere. I was finally able to find a state highway map through the "I NY" website.



Nothing called the "Transit" there. Lockport is up state route 78, no interstate or toll road anywhere near it. The New York Thruway is part of Interstate 90, with a branch heading up I-190 towards Niagara Falls, but peters out far from Lockport.



I dunno...unless it's a regional name of some sort...no such road.



[/map geek]



There is a road that runs N-S in Buffalo called "Transit Road" -- locally called "The Transit"



(I used to live in Orchard Park)

Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 15:29:22
well - technically - if we choose to see God as a man then yes

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 15:33:37
Heya Shane-O! How have you been?

Comment by Shane-O on 11/18/2008 15:37:16
Quote by Raine:

Heya Shane-O! How have you been?


GREAT! -- how bout you? I'm taking a "snow day" -- thus, bi-blogging.



Sorry I've been so absent :(



Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 15:45:24
Forget it, Jim.



The only people in Hollywood that can do a Boston Accent are Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, and the Wahlberg boys.



What's that, they're all from Dorchester?



Well, there you go.





Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 15:48:35
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

Heya Shane-O! How have you been?


GREAT! -- how bout you? I'm taking a "snow day" -- thus, bi-blogging.



Sorry I've been so absent :(

How much snow do you have?



Comment by Shane-O on 11/18/2008 15:49:57
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

Heya Shane-O! How have you been?


GREAT! -- how bout you? I'm taking a "snow day" -- thus, bi-blogging.



Sorry I've been so absent :(

How much snow do you have?



Just a few inches -- no reason for a true snow day. Only an excuse to be lazy! - Yay!



Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 15:57:26
Quote by Shane-O:



GREAT! -- how bout you? I'm taking a "snow day" -- thus, bi-blogging.



Sorry I've been so absent :(



welcome back. I had a great idea for a sound mashup, but it's a little "old news" now... I was thinking interspersing bits of Palin's incoherent speeches with music clips from the Rolling Stones "Midnight Rambler", Bob Seeger's "Rambling Man", and Led Zepplin's "Ramble On"....



Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 15:57:45
A belated good morning everyone. :sleeping:



Our forecast originally predicted an all-day rain/snow mix but now the sun is out. It is cold here though.



Since this is my weekend, I believe I have to go get a new winter jacket since my last one fell apart. Why don't they build anything to last anymore?

Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 15:59:21
Quote by livingonli:



Since this is my weekend, I believe I have to go get a new winter jacket since my last one fell apart. Why don't they build anything to last anymore?






Planned Obsolescence.



How can you be a repeat customer if something you buy lasts more than 6 months?





Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:07:07
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by livingonli:



Since this is my weekend, I believe I have to go get a new winter jacket since my last one fell apart. Why don't they build anything to last anymore?






Planned Obsolescence.



How can you be a repeat customer if something you buy lasts more than 6 months?





It just pisses me off because I'm not big on shopping for clothes and often only do it when the stuff I have starts falling apart. My late mother would always note how stuff she bought when she was younger even minor things would last for years and even decades and when she had to replace something, the replacement item only lasted a year or two before it needed to be replaced.

Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 16:11:13
I really noticed that with my work boots. I'm not big on shoes; I own one pair.



Anyway, I used to swear by Timberland. Up until maybe 8 or 9 years ago, they were "Made in the USA" and I would get two or three seasons out of a pair of boots. (I wear them hard; 18 months is a good tenure with me.)



Anyway....they moved production to China, and after I bought two pairs that didn't even last a year each, I stopped buying them.



Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:12:47
LIEberweasel needs a major bitch slapping.

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:16:26
4 Million in DC for inaugeration?



Mental note... bring extra food....

Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:16:56
wow - a Camay reference - do they even make Camay any more?

Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:22:13
Quote by Raine:

4 Million in DC for inaugeration?



Mental note... bring extra food....






wear comfortable shoes - there's a lot of standing.

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:23:18
Liv and Tri: you can see if you like anything here.



Plenty of stuff still made in the USA. Scroll down for Outerwear and Work boots...

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:24:06
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

4 Million in DC for inaugeration?



Mental note... bring extra food....






wear comfortable shoes - there's a lot of standing.
I am SO ready for standing!







Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 16:26:43
Quote by Raine:

4 Million in DC for inaugeration?



Mental note... bring extra food....






:thud:





Geez, will we even be able to get to the Metro?



Greenbelt has 3,500 parking spots...but I suppose we could see if the hotel is on a bus route or get a cab in a pinch...





Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:27:27
Quote by Raine:

4 Million in DC for inaugeration?



Mental note... bring extra food....


I'm beginning to think that's a little overwhelming for me. I may get the best view just staying home and watching it on my HD set.

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:33:39
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:35:22
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Raine:

4 Million in DC for inaugeration?



Mental note... bring extra food....






:thud:





Geez, will we even be able to get to the Metro?



Greenbelt has 3,500 parking spots...but I suppose we could see if the hotel is on a bus route or get a cab in a pinch...





I think we'll be alright getting there. The hotel is about a mile away... we can walk that. Plus it's the last (or first, going tnto DC) stop on the line, so we should be able to get a seat.

Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 16:48:13
Are we still going to have a spring meet-up for those of us who are too intimated by the crowds and can't get affordable lodging for the inaugural?

Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2008 16:52:57
Well, Herr Mondo is on the road, but isn't there an earth-shattering donut shop somewheres in the DC Metro area that allegedly is better than Kane's?





Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:53:23
Quote by Raine:

Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Raine:

4 Million in DC for inaugeration?



Mental note... bring extra food....






:thud:





Geez, will we even be able to get to the Metro?



Greenbelt has 3,500 parking spots...but I suppose we could see if the hotel is on a bus route or get a cab in a pinch...





I think we'll be alright getting there. The hotel is about a mile away... we can walk that. Plus it's the last (or first, going tnto DC) stop on the line, so we should be able to get a seat.




Vienna Metro right? It is the last stop on that line right now seating shouldn't be a prob going in. People who work in DC will probably be able to work from home or have the day off.



Its the coming out of DC that's going to be a major jam up. Smithosian stop will be the most popular along with National Archive they are right near and on the Mall.



I'm still trying to figure out what to do that day - it might just be too pack for me to deal with people - might have to see if Steph and company plans something for that night for the listerners that I can get too. Or met up with someone for din or ---- I don't know right now..... arrgghhhh overload!!!!



Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 16:55:39
Looks like LIEberman was not voted out... waiting for a link. Harry Reid is speaking.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 16:57:23
Quote by livingonli:

Are we still going to have a spring meet-up for those of us who are too intimated by the crowds and can't get affordable lodging for the inaugural?




I think it's going to depend on finances for everyone and how many will be able to make it in the spring. There's always a chance it gets moved to summer or fall. I think flexibilty is going to be a key for any and all meet ups.



4F = hearding cats :D

Comment by BobR on 11/18/2008 17:01:10
Quote by wickedpam:



Vienna Metro right? It is the last stop on that line right now seating shouldn't be a prob going in. People who work in DC will probably be able to work from home or have the day off.



Its the coming out of DC that's going to be a major jam up. Smithosian stop will be the most popular along with National Archive they are right near and on the Mall.



I'm still trying to figure out what to do that day - it might just be too pack for me to deal with people - might have to see if Steph and company plans something for that night for the listerners that I can get too. Or met up with someone for din or ---- I don't know right now..... arrgghhhh overload!!!!



I am inclined to stay in the city and party until the crowds thin out on the metro.

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2008 17:06:22
Ok, SO LIEberman is maintaining his DHS seat, giving up Environment and remaining a chair on the subcommittee of something that overseas the Army (forgot the name) .



According to LIEberwiesel, Harry Reid has said that senators now can only chair 1 major committee and one subcommittee.



I am so damn pissed. That fucking turncoat blackmailed the dems.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2008 17:06:56
Quote by wickedpam:

wow - a Camay reference - do they even make Camay any more?


My mom still uses that horrible stuff..

Comment by livingonli on 11/18/2008 17:06:57
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:

Are we still going to have a spring meet-up for those of us who are too intimated by the crowds and can't get affordable lodging for the inaugural?




I think it's going to depend on finances for everyone and how many will be able to make it in the spring. There's always a chance it gets moved to summer or fall. I think flexibilty is going to be a key for any and all meet ups.



4F = hearding cats :D


Look at what it took for us to get together last spring even though we did pull it off. I guess you're as intimidated by the huge crowds as I am.



Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2008 17:09:38
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:



Vienna Metro right? It is the last stop on that line right now seating shouldn't be a prob going in. People who work in DC will probably be able to work from home or have the day off.



Its the coming out of DC that's going to be a major jam up. Smithosian stop will be the most popular along with National Archive they are right near and on the Mall.



I'm still trying to figure out what to do that day - it might just be too pack for me to deal with people - might have to see if Steph and company plans something for that night for the listerners that I can get too. Or met up with someone for din or ---- I don't know right now..... arrgghhhh overload!!!!



I am inclined to stay in the city and party until the crowds thin out on the metro.




With 4 mil it's still going to be crowded, I would peel a little away from the main tourist areas, not sure if Georgetown or Adams Morgan would be advisable either. DC is such a small city it's hard to get away from crowds like that...