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Author: TriSec    Date: 11/06/2007 11:20:17

Good Morning.

A slightly different Ask A Vet this morning...

We'll start as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the Warron Terra, courtesy of antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3849
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3710
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3388
Since Handover (6/29/04): 2990
Since Election (1/31/05): 2412

Other Coalition Troops: 304
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 457




Last night, the tactic of waterboarding was discussed at length by both Keith Olbermann and Dan Abrams. Let's do a brief exercise; it won't take long.


First, read the code (thanks, Raine!):



TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340

As used in this chapter—

1. “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;

2. “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—

A. the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;

B. the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;

C. the threat of imminent death; or

D. the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and

3. “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.




Now, watch the video:



Next, answer the question:

Is this torture, yes or no?


And it's worth noting that in all the discussions last night, only Pat Buchanan, the politician in the group, wouldn't give a straight answer. Even Dan called him "insane".



DON'T FORGET TO VOTE TODAY!!!

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Comment by TriSec on 11/06/2007 14:03:16




Hello???

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:12:07
good morning!

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:13:37
HOLA! excellent ask a vet! I see that we can view the video in firefox, but alas not in EI. Bobber will look into it...

Comment by starling310 on 11/06/2007 14:14:46
'ello! 'ello!

<------ Lady Grey; the perfect compliment to



I called my representative last night and told him to vote for the Kucinich resolution. The girl answered the phone and all I said was "Hi. I would like to ask John Larson to vote for House Resolution 333 tomorrow." And, she said : perking up : "OK! I'll let him know!"





Comment by TriSec on 11/06/2007 14:16:20
Does anyone else worry that the next Olbermann "Special Comment" will be his last?



I'm afraid we'll see some on-air thuggery one night.





Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:17:32
What? Now let me get this straight? Al Gore treats the environment like hitler treated the Jews??

Comment by TriSec on 11/06/2007 14:18:32
Actually, that makes a lot of sense.



How many candles are lit worldwide during Hannukah?



Obviously that's the leading contributor to Global Warming!!!





Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:20:10
Guh... Guiliani, Guilianineleveni?

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:21:03
Quote by TriSec: Actually, that makes a lot of sense. How many candles are lit worldwide during Hannukah? Obviously that's the leading contributor to Global Warming!!!
I think your are right!

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:26:13
he is playing dixie in the background????

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:26:53
:rofl: The animal house speech!!!

Comment by starling310 on 11/06/2007 14:28:54
Alice B. Toklas!



Comment by starling310 on 11/06/2007 14:32:24
My friend tried to vote before work today and Surprise! Surprise! the new Optical Scam machines weren't working. So, if she really does want to vote, she's got to make time to go back again after work.



What a crock!



Comment by TriSec on 11/06/2007 14:43:09
Heh.



Last Friday eve was our den meeting at the Bright school in Waltham. In the corner of the cafeteria was a big black case on wheels. This appeared new, so I lifted it up and rolled it out to see what it was.



It was a voting machine.



Unguarded, not locked up, completely out in the open where anyone could mess with it.



Fortunately, we use optical-scan "accu-vote" machines in this city[re: paper trail!], not manufactured by Diebold. But still...





Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:44:36
What about the girls? Don't they get porn?

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:47:09
Alaskan youth testifies on hill, draws limpballs ire.
"It's the Democrats exploiting a young child, ladies and gentlemen, for the advancement of a political issue that will grow the size of government and increase their control over everyone," Limbaugh told listeners of the 600 stations nationwide that carry his show.
:scratch: now, wait a minute... GW thinks that 18 years olds are adults, I mean, he sends them off to war and all doesn't he????

Comment by BobR on 11/06/2007 14:48:26
Morning, folks... :coffee:



Comment by starling310 on 11/06/2007 14:49:06
Orbital Bee-Bop!

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:54:37
Henry Hyde got a medal????

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 14:56:34
HEya , last week you said you had to set you dvr to record a story abotu a local soldier... did y

Comment by BobR on 11/06/2007 15:00:21
Quote by Raine:

HOLA! excellent ask a vet!



I see that we can view the video in firefox, but alas not in EI. Bobber will look into it...


The embedded object code is there in the rendered web page, but it's just not showing the video screen. I know it's possible, because I've been to webpages with embedded videos (non-YouTube). I will look into it more later...

Comment by starling310 on 11/06/2007 15:00:39
Quote by Raine:

HEya , last week you said you had to set you dvr to record a story abotu a local soldier... did y




I did. It was not anything groundbreaking. . . just another sad story about PTSD and the way war changes a life.



Comment by starling310 on 11/06/2007 15:01:17
Long story, short; We should NOT BE privatizing our vote!



Optical SCAM!



Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:01:58
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine: HEya , last week you said you had to set you dvr to record a story abotu a local soldier... did y
I did. It was not anything groundbreaking. . . just another sad story about PTSD and the way war changes a life.
ahhh...

Comment by starling310 on 11/06/2007 15:01:59
I don't mean to imply that watching the video didn't make me sad. It did.

But, the news promo made it sound like there would be a story that we didn't already know.



Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:03:20
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine: HOLA! excellent ask a vet! I see that we can view the video in firefox, but alas not in EI. Bobber will look into it...
The embedded object code is there in the rendered web page, but it's just not showing the video screen. I know it's possible, because I've been to webpages with embedded videos (non-YouTube). I will look into it more later...
Coolness... I am looking forward to us figuring out all that stuff!

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:04:15
Quote by starling310: I don't mean to imply that watching the video didn't make me sad. It did. But, the news promo made it sound like there would be a story that we didn't already know.
I know what you mean... But you know, there are a lot of people out there who really still do not get it.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/06/2007 15:09:35
Morning! :hug:

Comment by livingonli on 11/06/2007 15:09:47
Good morning all.



Need lots of and throw in the



HBK posted this on the other blog;



Glenn Beck's getting a 50 million dollar renewal on his contract.

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:12:02


Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:14:02
Good point Chris!!!! HE brought down crime???

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:17:55
I miss hbk... Always nice to hear from her!

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:18:43
Mala... you ever to try to get a peice of this kinda jusy working? (and good morning to you Mala and liv! )

Comment by wickedpam on 11/06/2007 15:19:31
Stop making fun of Manassas!

Comment by livingonli on 11/06/2007 15:20:20
Quote by Raine:

Good point Chris!!!! HE brought down crime???


Crime went down across the country and it was already starting to drop when Dinkins was mayor but he doesn't want to give Dinkins any credit for it.



And notice how the guy who was once seen as uncorruptible has so many sleazy friends and associates who are in trouble with the law.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/06/2007 15:21:02
Quote by Raine:

Mala... you ever to try to get a peice of this kinda jusy working?



(and good morning to you Mala and liv! )






:huh:

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:24:37
Chuck Schumer wrote an op-ed peice in the NYT today... about his vote for the AG nominee....

Comment by livingonli on 11/06/2007 15:25:04
It's cold and dark here this morning.

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:25:59
personally in reading that editorial, I think they are putting an awful lot of trust into the promisis of this man.

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:26:50
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine: Mala... you ever to try to get a peice of this kinda jusy working? (and good morning to you Mala and liv! )
:huh:
errrr, um... :blush: I meant Jury work. OOOfda!

Comment by livingonli on 11/06/2007 15:29:08
Quote by Raine:

personally in reading that editorial, I think they are putting an awful lot of trust into the promisis of this man.


I've learned not to trust anyone who is working for Bush or Bush and Cheney for that matter.

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:35:16
I see it is rainey and 47 degress in Germantown... here it is very windy sunny and the temp? only 52 degrees... high of 60 today...

Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:36:34
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2007/11/rudyandbernie-thumb.jpg
yeah. pretty gay... :rofl:

Comment by wickedpam on 11/06/2007 15:36:48
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

Mala... you ever to try to get a peice of this kinda jusy working?



(and good morning to you Mala and liv! )






:huh:
errrr, um... :blush: I meant Jury work. OOOfda!







ooooohhhhhhh - I haven't been called for Jury duty for years. Could serve then cause they called during our busy season. But yeah I don't have the luck to be called for the good cases - Bobbit, porn



Comment by livingonli on 11/06/2007 15:37:33
I need a link to those Rudy-Bernie male love pictures.

Comment by livingonli on 11/06/2007 15:38:33
Quote by Raine:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2007/11/rudyandbernie-thumb.jpg




yeah. pretty gay... :rofl:


Aw, aren't they precious. :wub:

Comment by starling310 on 11/06/2007 15:38:52
Does anyone know what time the Kucinich Resolution will come to the floor?



Comment by Raine on 11/06/2007 15:42:32
Comment by starling310 on 11/06/2007 15:42:32
I love that The Spy Guy knows about the Podcast *ding* and sounds like he listens to the show.