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Killing thrift, Choking Small Business
Author: Raine
Date: 01/08/2009 13:44:22
On Monday, Our Scoop asked us to sign a petition to help KEEP Handmade toys on American Shelves. I signed the petition. While I too was glad to see regulation placed BACK, it seemed as those a few provisions were a bit out of whack. Specifically this: That is a lot of money to make sure a toy is safe. What many people may have missed is that it doesn't stop there. I was informed of the far reaching tentacles this new regulation puts upon Americans.
On January 3, the LA Times talked a lot more about the new rules change, and it is terrible for all Americans, not just those that make and want to buy handmade toys. The new law puts the onus of lead filled products on the retailer. The retailer... not just the manufacturer. That is a very important point. This will devastate small and charitable businesses in America that actually DO make products here in the USA. Small businesses that design children's clothing from say hemp, or wool will never be able to afford the cost of testing those products. Those shops will simply have to close.
There will be no consignments or selling on craigslist, ebay, etc. without proving that the item is lead or phthalates free. This will affect thrift stores, consignment sales, freecycle, etc. I don't know about you, but for me thrift stores are a clothing staple. I prefer to buy gently used clothing and products for myself as a way to help recycle, and reduce my carbon footprint. Many of these stores are run by charities or are small business themselves, so the money spent there goes back to the community. Plus, they are a great way of saving money. In this economy, that is important. There are families out there struggling to put clothes and shoes on their children, and for them a thrift store is a lifeline for them. Children grow so fast that many of these clothes look or are practically new. Without them, many children would have to go without far more than they do now.
There is another devastating side affect to this new regulation, everything that cannot be resold will most likely end up in a landfill or dump.
While I applaud the desire for lead testing for our children, this act will devastate a number of industries that are sorely needed in these very hard economic times. Thrift shops and American Manufactures of the few goods we STILL produce here in our country aren't the ones who put lead in children's toys, China did. Not America, not Canada and not Europe.
China does. Click on the link above , but also Click on this link here. That site has a lot of very good documentation and information. Also please call your congresscritter to see if we can get this rule amended. Our Earth cannot have bigger landfills, our families can't afford not to have thrift stores and our small businesses cannot have yet another economic burden on their back. What America needs is common sense regulation that really protects people, instead of putting more money into outsourcing our safety to third party testers that the CPSB doesn't oversee.
:peace: and
Raine
However, I am very concerned that the CPSIA's mandates for third party testing and labeling will have a dramatic and negative effect on small toy makers and in the USA, Canada, and Europe, whose toy safety record has always been exemplary. It will also devastate small manufacturers of children's clothes and other handmade goods for children.
Because of the fees charged by Third Party testing companies, many manufacturers, especially makers of beautiful wooden toys and unique children's clothes from Maine to Oregon will be driven out of business. Their cottage workshops simply do not make enough money to afford the $4,000 price tag per toy that Third Party testers are charging.
On January 3, the LA Times talked a lot more about the new rules change, and it is terrible for all Americans, not just those that make and want to buy handmade toys. The new law puts the onus of lead filled products on the retailer. The retailer... not just the manufacturer. That is a very important point.
Barring a reprieve, regulations set to take effect next month could force thousands of clothing retailers and thrift stores to throw away trunkloads of children's clothing.
The law, aimed at keeping lead-filled merchandise away from children, mandates that all products sold for those age 12 and younger -- including clothing -- be tested for lead and phthalates, which are chemicals used to make plastics more pliable. Those that haven't been tested will be considered hazardous, regardless of whether they actually contain lead.
They'll all have to go to the landfill," said Adele Meyer, executive director of the National Assn. of Resale and Thrift Shops.
The new regulations take effect Feb. 10 under the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act, which was passed by Congress last year in response to widespread recalls of products that posed a threat to children, including toys made with lead or lead-based paint.
There will be no consignments or selling on craigslist, ebay, etc. without proving that the item is lead or phthalates free. This will affect thrift stores, consignment sales, freecycle, etc. I don't know about you, but for me thrift stores are a clothing staple. I prefer to buy gently used clothing and products for myself as a way to help recycle, and reduce my carbon footprint. Many of these stores are run by charities or are small business themselves, so the money spent there goes back to the community. Plus, they are a great way of saving money. In this economy, that is important. There are families out there struggling to put clothes and shoes on their children, and for them a thrift store is a lifeline for them. Children grow so fast that many of these clothes look or are practically new. Without them, many children would have to go without far more than they do now.
There is another devastating side affect to this new regulation, everything that cannot be resold will most likely end up in a landfill or dump.
While I applaud the desire for lead testing for our children, this act will devastate a number of industries that are sorely needed in these very hard economic times. Thrift shops and American Manufactures of the few goods we STILL produce here in our country aren't the ones who put lead in children's toys, China did. Not America, not Canada and not Europe.
China does. Click on the link above , but also Click on this link here. That site has a lot of very good documentation and information. Also please call your congresscritter to see if we can get this rule amended. Our Earth cannot have bigger landfills, our families can't afford not to have thrift stores and our small businesses cannot have yet another economic burden on their back. What America needs is common sense regulation that really protects people, instead of putting more money into outsourcing our safety to third party testers that the CPSB doesn't oversee.
:peace: and
Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 13:50:43
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 13:50:43
Morning :hug:
Comment by 
starling310 on 01/08/2009 13:53:45
starling310 on 01/08/2009 13:53:45
Bastids at worked Blocked Green960 AND 1290WJNO. Mother f*cker.s
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 13:53:58
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 13:53:58
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 01/08/2009 14:02:06
Will in Chicago on 01/08/2009 14:02:06
Good morning, bloggers!!
Starling, did you try http://www.wcpt820.com or http://www.1190novam.com? (Ben Burch said that he is working on the stream for Nova M Radio and 1190 Nova M Radio.
Starling, did you try http://www.wcpt820.com or http://www.1190novam.com? (Ben Burch said that he is working on the stream for Nova M Radio and 1190 Nova M Radio.
Comment by 
TriSec on 01/08/2009 14:20:52
TriSec on 01/08/2009 14:20:52
I still want to know, can I bring my camera bag, a couple of folding chairs, and a water bottle to the mall?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:21:05
can you get KTLK?
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:21:05
Quote by starling310:
Bastids at worked Blocked Green960 AND 1290WJNO. Mother f*cker.s
can you get KTLK?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:22:43
I would say no to folding chairs, camera bag and bottled water is ify - but call and check most info I see is for these ticketed areas. Still trying to find a map of what areas are "ticketed"
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:22:43
Quote by TriSec:
I still want to know, can I bring my camera bag, a couple of folding chairs, and a water bottle to the mall?
I would say no to folding chairs, camera bag and bottled water is ify - but call and check most info I see is for these ticketed areas. Still trying to find a map of what areas are "ticketed"
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:34:44
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:34:44
THink this shows the ticketed areas and the rest is open not positive though - the Mall was open for the one I went too but that was 12 years ago
Comment by 
Scoopster on 01/08/2009 14:35:55
Scoopster on 01/08/2009 14:35:55
Morning guys.. 
had about 5 hrs sleep in the past two days, didn't work yesterday, and I'm draggin' butt in the office today with the website's relaunch tomorrow...but I still managed to partly figure out a problem with the new ad delivery system.
had about 5 hrs sleep in the past two days, didn't work yesterday, and I'm draggin' butt in the office today with the website's relaunch tomorrow...but I still managed to partly figure out a problem with the new ad delivery system.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:36:47
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:36:47
having a job is economic stimulus dummy
Comment by TriSec on 01/08/2009 14:36:49
TriSec on 01/08/2009 14:36:49
Aha!
The Mall. The day's biggest crowd is expected at the National Mall. If that many show up, the crowd will be bigger than the crowds at previous landmark Mall gatherings: Martin Luther King Jr.'s 1963 "I have a dream" speech drew an estimated 250,000, and the 1969 Vietnam War protest drew 500,000. The Washington Area Bicyclist Association plans to offer valet bike-parking at three sites around the Mall.
Food will be available from six Mall kiosks and from hundreds of licensed souvenir and snack vendors in the surrounding area. The Smithsonian museums lining the Mall -- including restaurants, restrooms and gift shops -- will be open, but security people will close the doors when a museum reaches capacity, letting in 10 people at a time as groups of 10 leave.
The Inaugural Committee hasn't announced how it will deal with the needs at the Mall for portable toilets. For one million people, the Portable Sanitation Association International recommends 12,510 porta-potties -- which by themselves would occupy 4.6 acres.
The Mall will be open all night, and chairs, picnic baskets and umbrellas will be allowed. (The expected degree range is from the high-20s to mid-40s.) But Mr. Line urges revelers to carry as little as possible and dress in layers of clothing that can be doffed as the day warms up; "Do not wear open-toed shoes to this event," he says.
The Mall. The day's biggest crowd is expected at the National Mall. If that many show up, the crowd will be bigger than the crowds at previous landmark Mall gatherings: Martin Luther King Jr.'s 1963 "I have a dream" speech drew an estimated 250,000, and the 1969 Vietnam War protest drew 500,000. The Washington Area Bicyclist Association plans to offer valet bike-parking at three sites around the Mall.
Food will be available from six Mall kiosks and from hundreds of licensed souvenir and snack vendors in the surrounding area. The Smithsonian museums lining the Mall -- including restaurants, restrooms and gift shops -- will be open, but security people will close the doors when a museum reaches capacity, letting in 10 people at a time as groups of 10 leave.
The Inaugural Committee hasn't announced how it will deal with the needs at the Mall for portable toilets. For one million people, the Portable Sanitation Association International recommends 12,510 porta-potties -- which by themselves would occupy 4.6 acres.
The Mall will be open all night, and chairs, picnic baskets and umbrellas will be allowed. (The expected degree range is from the high-20s to mid-40s.) But Mr. Line urges revelers to carry as little as possible and dress in layers of clothing that can be doffed as the day warms up; "Do not wear open-toed shoes to this event," he says.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:37:52
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:37:52
don't talk to me about shipping stuff - we have problems all the time getting shipments
Comment by starling310 on 01/08/2009 14:40:08
Nope. They have blocked everything. I am at home today, so I can listen.
I caught the last of John's call. But, aren't both true? Yes, we need jobs and we meed to manufacture things. I don't know if that was his point.
starling310 on 01/08/2009 14:40:08
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Bastids at worked Blocked Green960 AND 1290WJNO. Mother f*cker.s
can you get KTLK?
Nope. They have blocked everything. I am at home today, so I can listen.
I caught the last of John's call. But, aren't both true? Yes, we need jobs and we meed to manufacture things. I don't know if that was his point.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:41:24
Don't wear any kind of heel either
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:41:24
Quote by TriSec:
Aha!
The Mall. The day's biggest crowd is expected at the National Mall. If that many show up, the crowd will be bigger than the crowds at previous landmark Mall gatherings: Martin Luther King Jr.'s 1963 "I have a dream" speech drew an estimated 250,000, and the 1969 Vietnam War protest drew 500,000. The Washington Area Bicyclist Association plans to offer valet bike-parking at three sites around the Mall.
Food will be available from six Mall kiosks and from hundreds of licensed souvenir and snack vendors in the surrounding area. The Smithsonian museums lining the Mall -- including restaurants, restrooms and gift shops -- will be open, but security people will close the doors when a museum reaches capacity, letting in 10 people at a time as groups of 10 leave.
The Inaugural Committee hasn't announced how it will deal with the needs at the Mall for portable toilets. For one million people, the Portable Sanitation Association International recommends 12,510 porta-potties -- which by themselves would occupy 4.6 acres.
The Mall will be open all night, and chairs, picnic baskets and umbrellas will be allowed. (The expected degree range is from the high-20s to mid-40s.) But Mr. Line urges revelers to carry as little as possible and dress in layers of clothing that can be doffed as the day warms up; "Do not wear open-toed shoes to this event," he says.
Don't wear any kind of heel either
Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2009 14:43:45
Scoopster on 01/08/2009 14:43:45
So according to that map, there's two blocks for unseated, ticketed visitors?
Yikes.. I'm gonna need a telefoto lens to even get a good picture of anything!
Yikes.. I'm gonna need a telefoto lens to even get a good picture of anything!
Comment by starling310 on 01/08/2009 14:45:36
starling310 on 01/08/2009 14:45:36
I guess if I give up my Expanded Cable, I can afford the Momma Podcast.
Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2009 14:45:45
Scoopster on 01/08/2009 14:45:45
And yea.. open-toe shoes in January. 
Comment by 
Raine on 01/08/2009 14:46:36
Raine on 01/08/2009 14:46:36
Good Morning new bloggie is up!
H/t To Scoopster and to another friend of mine not here for todays post.
H/t To Scoopster and to another friend of mine not here for todays post.
Comment by 
BobR on 01/08/2009 14:49:34
So they blocked all streaming audio, or just the audio from liberal stations?
BobR on 01/08/2009 14:49:34
Quote by starling310:
Nope. They have blocked everything. I am at home today, so I can listen.
I caught the last of John's call. But, aren't both true? Yes, we need jobs and we meed to manufacture things. I don't know if that was his point.
So they blocked all streaming audio, or just the audio from liberal stations?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:53:41
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:53:41
Comment by starling310 on 01/08/2009 14:54:57
:P I haven't looked into that.
I did find a station out of Pheonix. I will try that out tomorrow. For today, I am listening from my home laptop.
starling310 on 01/08/2009 14:54:57
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310:
Nope. They have blocked everything. I am at home today, so I can listen.
I caught the last of John's call. But, aren't both true? Yes, we need jobs and we meed to manufacture things. I don't know if that was his point.
So they blocked all streaming audio, or just the audio from liberal stations?
:P I haven't looked into that.
I did find a station out of Pheonix. I will try that out tomorrow. For today, I am listening from my home laptop.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:54:57
on a rare occasion we have gotten 80 degrees in January
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:54:57
Quote by Scoopster:
And yea.. open-toe shoes in January.
on a rare occasion we have gotten 80 degrees in January
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:58:06
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 14:58:06
For those interested mAnnbie is supposed to be on the Mike O'Meara show on Monday. It's guy talk radio but Mike and Buzz(his newsguy) are noted liberals who plan to "have fun" with it
Comment by 
Random on 01/08/2009 15:02:40
Random on 01/08/2009 15:02:40
I knew i loved Wonkette for a reason....
Beating back PUMAs
Party Unity Means Action!
Who knew it meant that!
Beating back PUMAs
Party Unity Means Action!
Who knew it meant that!
Comment by TriSec on 01/08/2009 15:03:07
Two nights ago, one lane of the Tobin Bridge (Route 1 North, over Boston Harbor) was closed during the evening rush hour for "emergency repairs"...
TriSec on 01/08/2009 15:03:07
Quote by wickedpam:
Crack found in American Legion Bridge - Right just one bridge had a problem
Two nights ago, one lane of the Tobin Bridge (Route 1 North, over Boston Harbor) was closed during the evening rush hour for "emergency repairs"...
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 01/08/2009 15:03:12
velveeta jones on 01/08/2009 15:03:12
Morning all. Don't know if ya'll caught this little tidbit, but if true, I AM SERIOUSLY PISSED OFF! And Obama MUST give this guy the BOOT!!
Read the whole disgusting article here
Warren's defense against charges of intolerance ultimately depends upon his ace card: his heavily publicized crusade against AIDS in Africa. Obama senior adviser David Axelrod cited Warren's work in Africa as one of "the things on which [Obama and Warren] agree" on the Dec. 28 episode of Meet the Press. Warren may be opposed to gay rights and abortion, the thinking goes, but he tells evangelicals it is their God-given duty to battle one of the greatest pandemics in history. What could be wrong with that?
But since the Warren inauguration controversy erupted, the nature of his work against AIDS in Africa has gone unexamined. Warren has not been particularly forthcoming to those who have attempted to look into it. His Web site contains scant information about the results of his program. However, an investigation into Warren's involvement in Africa reveals a web of alliances with right-wing clergymen who have sidelined science-based approaches to combating AIDS in favor of abstinence-only education. More disturbingly, Warren's allies have rolled back key elements of one of the continent's most successful initiative, the so-called ABC program in Uganda.
Read the whole disgusting article here
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:11:50
Why am I not surprised at this?
I swear I do not understand this Rick Warren thing...
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:11:50
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all. Don't know if ya'll caught this little tidbit, but if true, I AM SERIOUSLY PISSED OFF! And Obama MUST give this guy the BOOT!!
Read the whole disgusting article here
Why am I not surprised at this?
I swear I do not understand this Rick Warren thing...
Comment by BobR on 01/08/2009 15:13:51
BobR on 01/08/2009 15:13:51
Here's an interesting article for anyone who has or is planning a trip outside the country's borders...
Comment by BobR on 01/08/2009 15:14:38
BobR on 01/08/2009 15:14:38
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:16:42
She is the only mAnn in the GOP!!!
:rofl:
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:16:42
She is the only mAnn in the GOP!!!
:rofl:
Comment by Random on 01/08/2009 15:21:00
Random on 01/08/2009 15:21:00
...That's it. If we're going to start bitching about Warren again. I'm leaving.
Comment by TriSec on 01/08/2009 15:21:14
TriSec on 01/08/2009 15:21:14
Any advice from GWB would be easy.
"See everything I done? Do the opposite!"
Oh, speaking of W, I ran across a new term last night that's apropo...
Transwestite.
"See everything I done? Do the opposite!"
Oh, speaking of W, I ran across a new term last night that's apropo...
Transwestite.
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:23:39
Perhaps she is spending time in Juneau... that would explain the balmy temps.
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:23:39
Quote by BobR:
Maybe Sarah Palin just needs to flap her gums a little more...
Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2009 15:27:47
Well there goes my only reason. Sorry Barack, I tried to give him a chance for your sake. Unfortunately it looks like your effort to bring the wingnut fundies back to the fold by giving one of their bigoted, divisive and most two-faced heroes face time is going to lose you support from the people who actually voted and busted their asses for you for two years.
I'm staying home on the 20th. I'll watch it on C-Span, and use the travel money instead to visit my friends in Las Vegas.
Scoopster on 01/08/2009 15:27:47
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all. Don't know if ya'll caught this little tidbit, but if true, I AM SERIOUSLY PISSED OFF! And Obama MUST give this guy the BOOT!!
Warren's defense against charges of intolerance ultimately depends upon his ace card: his heavily publicized crusade against AIDS in Africa. Obama senior adviser David Axelrod cited Warren's work in Africa as one of "the things on which [Obama and Warren] agree" on the Dec. 28 episode of Meet the Press. Warren may be opposed to gay rights and abortion, the thinking goes, but he tells evangelicals it is their God-given duty to battle one of the greatest pandemics in history. What could be wrong with that?
But since the Warren inauguration controversy erupted, the nature of his work against AIDS in Africa has gone unexamined. Warren has not been particularly forthcoming to those who have attempted to look into it. His Web site contains scant information about the results of his program. However, an investigation into Warren's involvement in Africa reveals a web of alliances with right-wing clergymen who have sidelined science-based approaches to combating AIDS in favor of abstinence-only education. More disturbingly, Warren's allies have rolled back key elements of one of the continent's most successful initiative, the so-called ABC program in Uganda.
Read the whole disgusting article here
Well there goes my only reason. Sorry Barack, I tried to give him a chance for your sake. Unfortunately it looks like your effort to bring the wingnut fundies back to the fold by giving one of their bigoted, divisive and most two-faced heroes face time is going to lose you support from the people who actually voted and busted their asses for you for two years.
I'm staying home on the 20th. I'll watch it on C-Span, and use the travel money instead to visit my friends in Las Vegas.
Comment by Random on 01/08/2009 15:27:55
Random on 01/08/2009 15:27:55
Random was looking through those bloggie awards...and I noticed that the top Liberal blog is 8,000 votes (our lovely wonkette) and the top conservative blog (Ace of Spades O.o) only has 4,000 votes.
Of course...in Conservative blog land it's competitive...Wonkette is beating EVERYONE back.
Of course...in Conservative blog land it's competitive...Wonkette is beating EVERYONE back.
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:28:12
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:28:12
I think the Obama's need to check for lead in that China.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 15:28:13
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 15:28:13
New china? Isnt' that the second set? how much freaking money are they spending on china?
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:29:55
it's a little off the hook. I saw it last night on Olberman. Ugly as all get out.
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:29:55
Quote by wickedpam:
New china? Isnt' that the second set? how much freaking money are they spending on china?
it's a little off the hook. I saw it last night on Olberman. Ugly as all get out.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 15:35:59
Its got a big magnolia on it right? IF that's the one it reminds me of who old transplanted southerns like to get that they think screams that their now southerns
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 15:35:59
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
New china? Isnt' that the second set? how much freaking money are they spending on china?
it's a little off the hook. I saw it last night on Olberman. Ugly as all get out.
Its got a big magnolia on it right? IF that's the one it reminds me of who old transplanted southerns like to get that they think screams that their now southerns
Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2009 15:36:04
Scoopster on 01/08/2009 15:36:04
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:43:18
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:43:18
Got a question:
Does anyone know if the senate hearing for Appointments needs a majority or a super majority vote? How does it go for hearings?
Does anyone know if the senate hearing for Appointments needs a majority or a super majority vote? How does it go for hearings?
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:44:44
Keerist.
I had a feeling that was going to happen. I saw that video, they killed that man in cold blood.
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:44:44
Keerist.
I had a feeling that was going to happen. I saw that video, they killed that man in cold blood.
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:49:18
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:49:18
Comment by TriSec on 01/08/2009 15:53:03
TriSec on 01/08/2009 15:53:03
Good lord, those dishes are HEEEEDEEOUS.
The plant, especially. Looks like it's ready to leap out and engulf me with it's tentacle-like leaves....
Mrs. TriSec and I own service for 12 of Lenox "Presidential" (Tyler, I think). It's very elegant, white with a black and gold rim...no center design, although a traditional presidential seal would look very nice there.
The plant, especially. Looks like it's ready to leap out and engulf me with it's tentacle-like leaves....
Mrs. TriSec and I own service for 12 of Lenox "Presidential" (Tyler, I think). It's very elegant, white with a black and gold rim...no center design, although a traditional presidential seal would look very nice there.
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:54:53
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:54:53
Comment by Raine on 01/08/2009 15:59:03
Interesting..
The kennedy family did not order china... they used Truman's china. that is kinda nice.
Raine on 01/08/2009 15:59:03
Quote by Raine:
White house China sets.
I don't see Carter or Clinton there. -- or FDR or Kennedy for that matter...
The kennedy family did not order china... they used Truman's china.
The President and Mrs. John F. Kennedy ordered no china for the White House and usually used the Truman China with the Eisenhower service plates for state dinners.
Whenever possible, Mrs. Kennedy, whose love and concern for the historical White House is now history used the old china – Lincoln's purple china, the china designed by Mrs. Harrison and pieces of the Hayes service – to represent the traditions of the past. Her preference for the Harrison china was shown in her selection of pieces from that service to decorate the breakfront which she had placed in the family dining room during the years that she and President Kennedy occupied the mansion.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 16:02:38
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 16:02:38
Jeez - there both ugly. I knew I had heard of another set. That silverware is heinous too. So tacky.
The Smithonian has a bunch of White House china from over the years, maybe that's where the Carter and Clinton versions are
The Smithonian has a bunch of White House china from over the years, maybe that's where the Carter and Clinton versions are
Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2009 16:05:01
I think the WIlson service is nice - simple
wickedpam on 01/08/2009 16:05:01
Quote by Raine:Interesting..Quote by Raine:
White house China sets.
I don't see Carter or Clinton there. -- or FDR or Kennedy for that matter...
The kennedy family did not order china... they used Truman's china.that is kinda nice.The President and Mrs. John F. Kennedy ordered no china for the White House and usually used the Truman China with the Eisenhower service plates for state dinners.
Whenever possible, Mrs. Kennedy, whose love and concern for the historical White House is now history used the old china – Lincoln's purple china, the china designed by Mrs. Harrison and pieces of the Hayes service – to represent the traditions of the past. Her preference for the Harrison china was shown in her selection of pieces from that service to decorate the breakfront which she had placed in the family dining room during the years that she and President Kennedy occupied the mansion.
I think the WIlson service is nice - simple