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Y'all need to simmah down!
Author: Scoopster    Date: 02/12/2009 20:25:58

A few days ago, this news report came out citing an attorney for the US Government who had pushed to dismiss charges made by five former Guantanamo Bay detainees that they had been tortured while in captivity.

"A source inside of the Ninth U.S. District Court tells ABC News that a representative of the Justice Department stood up to say that its position hasn't changed, that new administration stands behind arguments that previous administration made, with no ambiguity at all," continued ABC. "The DOJ lawyer said the entire subject matter remains a state secret."

"This case cannot be litigated," Department of Justice attorney Douglas Letter argued. "The judges shouldn't play with fire in this national security situation."

Asked by Judge Mary Schroeder whether the change in the White House had led to any changes in the government's legal arguments in the case, Letter said it "remains the position" of the government that the case should not proceed.


Immediately those warning bells of heightened awareness that we had all so keenly developed during the dark days of the Bush Administration went off. And The ever-vigilant left wing took aim at Obama.

"We are shocked and deeply disappointed that the Justice Department has chosen to continue the Bush administration’s practice of dodging judicial scrutiny of extraordinary rendition and torture," ACLU Staff Attorney Ben Wizner said in a Monday advisory released after the government stated its position. "This was an opportunity for the new administration to act on its condemnation of torture and rendition, but instead it has chosen to stay the course. Now we must hope that the court will assert its independence by rejecting the government’s false claims of state secrets and allowing the victims of torture and rendition their day in court."


And our beloved Rachel also did a segment on this, asking us to talk her down..



I'm not gonna link to all the various blog postings that are out there. For one, a bunch of 'em are over at a website that I no longer visit (that's a story for another time). And there's too many to count really - Greenwald, HuffPo, TPM, The Times (LA and NY), and The Guardian UK to name a few sources all have various opinion pieces proclaiming the end of the f'n world.

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I'll admit it. This shit has got me downright depressed. But not for the reason you may suspect. You see, I have this virtue/failing where I trust people a lot. I take people at their word, and I hold them to it most of the time. Of course with Bush we all figured out that the stupid goon or any of his cronies couldn't be trusted, so of course I make an exemption in my own moral code. But he's gone now, and while some cautious optimism remains I've mostly put away that exemption and am willing to let Obama have some breathing room before I start cursing him up & down the wall.

So a while back, when Obama himself said that his administration would review all of Bush's policies to determine what needed to be reversed or changed, I accepted that at face value. Now this comes along. And I remember another recent piece of news I saw the same day as this rendition case thing...

Thursday, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) wrote Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, asking him to "immediately review the circumstances behind the conversion of these positions and the hiring of any former Bush administration appointees as career or temporary officials within the Office of Detainee Affairs."

"Allegations of improper 'burrowing' of political appointees to career positions are very troubling to me," wrote Sen. Feinstein. "This is especially disconcerting within the Office of Detainee Affairs due to the nature of the policy recommendations that office provides regarding Guantanamo."


Then today, there's this one:

US defence officials are preventing Barack Obama from seeing evidence that a former British resident held in Guantánamo Bay has been tortured, the prisoner's lawyer said last night, as campaigners and the Foreign Office prepared for the man's release in as little as a week.

Clive Stafford Smith, the director of the legal charity Reprieve, which represents Ethiopian-born Binyam Mohamed, sent Obama evidence of what he called "truly mediaeval" abuse but substantial parts were blanked out so the president could not read it.

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Stafford Smith tells Obama he should be aware of the "bizarre reality" of the situation. "You, as commander in chief, are being denied access to material that would help prove that crimes have been committed by US personnel. This decision is being made by the very people who you command."


So follow me here for a second. If this is happening in the Defense Department, where a Bush appointee is still running the show, is it reasonable that there could be other such people pushing Bush-era policies in other places, like Justice? Add to that the fact that Eric Holder wasn't confirmed by the Senate until Feb. 2 and hasn't even named who the new US Attorneys will be yet (that should happen today I think).

And then there's an argument that Obama's transition team had months to review these policies before taking office. Sure, they did. However I'm sure the economic crisis took away a good amount of the focus on other matters, and again it's fair to say that the Bushbots that were still running things weren't as forthcoming with transitional officials as anyone might have hoped.

Until these people are filtered out and replaced, and until the new guys finish their review of prior policies and pass the word on, there are going to be mixed signals at various levels of authority and it's fair to say that the folks at the bottom, like the trial attorney in this case, just hasn't gotten the word yet. Or, he's a mole himself and needs to get cleansed.

So to all the people out there on the blogs and in the papers and on the teevee - go smoke a doob and have a couple glasses of wine. I know that constant vigilance is a good thing, but you're all being way too paranoid about the wrong thing here.

Update: In response to a comment over at FSZ, I am not saying that people should stop pushing the government just because there's been a change in who's running the show, or in the speed at which these things get changed. If it comes off sounding that way I apologize. I'm trying to raise concern here that there are people leftover and hidden who standing in the way of changing policy, and that we need to also focus attention on this problem.
 

35 comments (Latest Comment: 02/13/2009 07:11:13 by livingonli)
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Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 20:43:11
Thanks Scoop!



I could not agree more with you about this topic.

Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 20:47:01
:yawn: Nancy Skinner is boring as hell.



time to switch over to NPR. I miss Randi.

Comment by Scoopster on 02/12/2009 20:51:04
I added that little part at the end 'cuz someone said I had a bourgeois attitude.. :lol:



Actually it's 'cause I think these folks who are jumping all over a guy who's been running the damn show for less than a month, and his AG who has been in office less than two weeks, deserve to have some damn time to make changes to these policies before we get out the pitchforks.

Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 20:58:27
Quote by Scoopster:

I added that little part at the end 'cuz someone said I had a bourgeois attitude.. :lol:



Actually it's 'cause I think these folks who are jumping all over a guy who's been running the damn show for less than a month, and his AG who has been in office less than two weeks, deserve to have some damn time to make changes to these policies before we get out the pitchforks.
I agree, I am seeing the same thing.



The key is, it took us a few years to get to this cluserF*&K, it is going to take time to figure it all out and friggin undo it.



Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 21:16:35
Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 21:22:35
Judd Gregg is pulling his name form the Commerce Nom --- Says he doesn't agree with the stimulus.

Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 21:25:16


“I want to thank the President for nominating me to serve in his Cabinet as Secretary of Commerce. This was a great honor, and I had felt that I could bring some views and ideas that would assist him in governing during this difficult time. I especially admire his willingness to reach across the aisle.



“However, it has become apparent during this process that this will not work for me as I have found that on issues such as the stimulus package and the Census there are irresolvable conflicts for me. Prior to accepting this post, we had discussed these and other potential differences, but unfortunately we did not adequately focus on these concerns. We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy.



“Obviously the President requires a team that is fully supportive of all his initiatives.





“I greatly admire President Obama and know our country will benefit from his leadership, but at this time I must withdraw my name from consideration for this position.



“As we move forward, I expect there will be many issues and initiatives where I can and will work to assure the success of the President’s proposals. This will certainly be a goal of mine.



“Kathy and I also want to specifically thank Governor Lynch and Bonnie Newman for their friendship and assistance during this period. In addition we wish to thank all the people, especially in New Hampshire, who have been so kind and generous in their supportive comments.



“As a further matter of clarification, nothing about the vetting process played any role in this decision. I will continue to represent the people of New Hampshire in the United States Senate.”

Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 21:38:13
I love that Gregg Dropped out... it REALLY proves how unable the Republicans can walk across the aisle. Rope a Dope baby!

Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 22:04:14
Finding out more about this Gregg thing... Judd Never bothered to tell the President. He found out thru the media!!!



That cowardly little twit.

Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 22:05:59
Quote by Raine:

Finding out more about this Gregg thing... Judd Never bothered to tell the President. He found out thru the media!!!



That cowardly little twit.


Also the republicans on the hill were having pressers BEFORE the president knew...



:waiting:



Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 22:17:11
ASSHAT!!! NOW I AM CONVINCED... this was a political Ploy by the 'Pukes.



Sen Judd Gregg's decision to withdraw his name for Commerce Secretary is a sign of President Obama's inexperience, Republican Sen Bob Bennet of Utah said.



“I think it is a demonstration of inexperience. You don’t attract someone of Judd Gregg caliber into the cabinet and then take steps that would cause him to leave without at least talking to him and understanding that that might happen," he told reporters Thursday.

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Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 23:04:30
Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 23:05:12
And this has turned into the Raine talking to herself Blog

Comment by Scoopster on 02/12/2009 23:12:19
Quote by Raine:

Finding out more about this Gregg thing... Judd Never bothered to tell the President. He found out thru the media!!!



That cowardly little twit.


Weird NPR was saying that Gregg informed the adminsitration of his decision early this week.



I detect the faint smell of shenanigans here....

Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 23:16:06
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by Raine:

Finding out more about this Gregg thing... Judd Never bothered to tell the President. He found out thru the media!!!



That cowardly little twit.


Weird NPR was saying that Gregg informed the adminsitration of his decision early this week.



I detect the faint smell of shenanigans here....
I heard them say that as well... But I was on Twitter, and Schuster himself said that the WH did not know.



Why the hell would they have this happen when the Pres is out of town?



AND... well, TPM has more. Between people like Matt cooper knowing ahead of time, and Bob Bennet caying shit about th einexperience, I am thinking this was a set up...



And truly one that will FAIL for the GOP.



Comment by Scoopster on 02/12/2009 23:19:01
NPR also mentioned that Gregg isn't running for re-election in 2010.



I wonder if it has anything to do with this (from the AP story):

A day after Gregg's nomination was announced, The Associated Press reported that a former staffer was under criminal investigation for allegedly taking baseball and hockey tickets from a lobbyist in exchange for legislative favors while working for Gregg.



The former staffer, Kevin Koonce, has been identified in court papers only as "Staffer F" in the sprawling corruption probe stemming from disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff.



Gregg said at the time that he had been told he was neither a subject nor target of the investigation, and would cooperate fully.


Comment by Scoopster on 02/12/2009 23:20:08
Why do it when he's out of town?



I don't think it has to do with being out of town necessarily. This IS going to dominate tonight's news cycle though, and steal the spotlight from the impending passage of the jobs package.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/12/2009 23:22:05
Liv, I've got some TV questions for ya my brother.



When did CNN Headline News go from being merely crappy to being astoundingly bad and HLN? It seems to be missing white girls 24/7 now.



My next question has to do On Demand. Who is responsible for the uploading to the On Demand server? Is that the cable system or the content provider. I ask because I want to call shenanigans on the right bunch of people. Comcast has the first 12 episodes of The Wire on demand. Missing is episode 13. I know if I call Comcast the pod monkeys would have no clue what I am taking.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/12/2009 23:24:56
Raine re: your and Stahlink's Randi comment on the previous blog.



Maybe they are technical issues. Just sayin' Maybe Randi has hit the bottom?

Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 23:35:44
Quote by Scoopster:

Why do it when he's out of town?



I don't think it has to do with being out of town necessarily. This IS going to dominate tonight's news cycle though, and steal the spotlight from the impending passage of the jobs package.


Good point. Really good point.



This is the lengths too which they would go, I guess.

Comment by Raine on 02/12/2009 23:40:18
Quote by Scoopster:

NPR also mentioned that Gregg isn't running for re-election in 2010.



I wonder if it has anything to do with this (from the AP story):

A day after Gregg's nomination was announced, The Associated Press reported that a former staffer was under criminal investigation for allegedly taking baseball and hockey tickets from a lobbyist in exchange for legislative favors while working for Gregg.



The former staffer, Kevin Koonce, has been identified in court papers only as "Staffer F" in the sprawling corruption probe stemming from disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff.



Gregg said at the time that he had been told he was neither a subject nor target of the investigation, and would cooperate fully.


I smell Jack A[bra]moff ...



Not kidding here. Did a quick google.

Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 00:18:16
Judd Gregg, the GOP's answer to the Runaway Bride.

Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2009 00:52:39
*sigh*



Ya know, I'd be happy at this point if all the Red states just seceded and got it over with.





Comment by clintster on 02/13/2009 00:57:20
So, lemme get this straight: Judd Gregg offers himself to the President as a commerce secretary, makes the President bend over backwards with assurances that his replacement in the Senate would still be a GOPer, and then decides to walk because Rush Hannity O'Really he doesn't like the stimulus package??!?



F'm!

Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 01:03:22
Quote by clintster:

So, lemme get this straight: Judd Gregg offers himself to the President as a commerce secretary, makes the President bend over backwards with assurances that his replacement in the Senate would still be a GOPer, and then decides to walk because Rush Hannity O'Really he doesn't like the stimulus package??!?



F'm!




I think we have a winnah!



Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 01:04:13
Quote by TriSec:

*sigh*



Ya know, I'd be happy at this point if all the Red states just seceded and got it over with.





Gives me good reason to come back to NY! (and I think I will open a commune for ALL the expats)

Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 01:06:03
HE wanted to work with Obama until he couldn't...



Bull*cough* shite. F*ck him. It was a shitty choice to begin with. Once again I think Obama picked him JUST to prove how NON-Bi-partisan they really are.

Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 01:07:45
From another board I read... and I LOVE LOVE LOVE this:
Gregg was picked by the Obama Adminstration in the spirit of bi-partisanship. Obama kept his campaign promise to appoint Republicans if he thought it would be in the best interest of the country. It's not phony; I firmly believe Obama is about finding solutions and doesn't care who has them. He is not partisan.



Judd Gregg (whether he was approached or initiated it himself), was given the chance to join the Obama Administration and work with them to come up with solutions for this country. Instead of taking the position however, Gregg caved to peer pressure and made up some lame excuse that he couldn't reconcile his ideology with the Obama Adminstration.



Gregg's withdrawal proves to the country - again - that Republicans are unyeilding and uncompromising; clinging to their failures. Why wouldn't a Republican want to join a Democratic president who is clearly not partisan and will listen to differing opinions? Why give up the chance to perhaps have an influence on policy?



So Judd Gregg took his ball and went home.


Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2009 02:45:16
Hey Lump, let's call it a night.



"It's a night".



End





(I've been working on my resume this evening. Much as I love Athena, I am now fully convinced that my future lies elsewhere. I saw some Monster Hate here the other day, but I can't complain. 4 of my last 5 jobs came through there....)





Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 03:05:24
Hello every ones i love.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 03:42:25
Okay Barak was loosing me then he roped me back with a shout out to Darwin and SCIENCE!

Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 03:43:18
Mondo is talkin bout what?



Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 03:53:05
Quote by Random:

Mondo is talkin bout what?







The President's Lincoln Day speech in Illinois.

Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 03:58:28
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Mondo is talkin bout what?







The President's Lincoln Day speech in Illinois.


oki then.

Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 07:11:13
I am on vacation!!!!!