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Are we that stupid?
Author: Raine
Date: 08/24/2009 12:59:10
The world is watching us America, and they are getting sick and tired of our nonsense. Many people probably don't care, but put yourself in their shoes. If they had a small, but very loud vocal group saying racially-tinged obscenities about how the United States runs - we would be upset as well.
So it should come as no surprise that both Britain and Canada are coming out to defend their health care systems. These articles are the direct result of what people are doing at town halls across the country. The Astroturfers are a small but very vocal bunch of people who are simply embarrassing. There is no question in my mind that these are the same type of people who boycotted and poured French Wine out in the streets in 2003 because France would not get mired in the Iraq war. They were wrong then and they are wrong now. The world is watching us, and we look foolish.
After reading those 2 articles, one can safely conclude that Brits and Canadians are both asking: Are we THAT stupid? Seriously, there is talk of rationing, death panels, euthanasia, bureaucrats coming between you and your doctors... and people are really believing this crap? They KNOW that Big Pharma and the insurance industry are spending millions to scare the hell out of Americans and people are falling for it? Are we really that stupid?
Surely for a country that was so eager to kick terrorist ass over there, we would be brave enough to stand up to corporate interests here... It seems rather strange that these people who want government to stay out of their life when it comes to saving it via health care, are more than happy to send our sons and daughters into a war that government scared them into to die. Death and war is good, and health insurance for all bad. Are we really that stupid?
We sent a man to the moon. We invented the telephone, the light bulb, the internet, the automobile. We have had some of the most radical inventions on this planet! We have done more to medically advance the human race than anyone! We discover CURES for diseases! Are we really going to let these people be the town halls be the face that the world sees of America? Really?
America the world is watching. Not all of us are that stupid, but it certainly is starting to look that way.
and 
Raine
So it should come as no surprise that both Britain and Canada are coming out to defend their health care systems. These articles are the direct result of what people are doing at town halls across the country. The Astroturfers are a small but very vocal bunch of people who are simply embarrassing. There is no question in my mind that these are the same type of people who boycotted and poured French Wine out in the streets in 2003 because France would not get mired in the Iraq war. They were wrong then and they are wrong now. The world is watching us, and we look foolish.
After reading those 2 articles, one can safely conclude that Brits and Canadians are both asking: Are we THAT stupid? Seriously, there is talk of rationing, death panels, euthanasia, bureaucrats coming between you and your doctors... and people are really believing this crap? They KNOW that Big Pharma and the insurance industry are spending millions to scare the hell out of Americans and people are falling for it? Are we really that stupid?
Surely for a country that was so eager to kick terrorist ass over there, we would be brave enough to stand up to corporate interests here... It seems rather strange that these people who want government to stay out of their life when it comes to saving it via health care, are more than happy to send our sons and daughters into a war that government scared them into to die. Death and war is good, and health insurance for all bad. Are we really that stupid?
We sent a man to the moon. We invented the telephone, the light bulb, the internet, the automobile. We have had some of the most radical inventions on this planet! We have done more to medically advance the human race than anyone! We discover CURES for diseases! Are we really going to let these people be the town halls be the face that the world sees of America? Really?
America the world is watching. Not all of us are that stupid, but it certainly is starting to look that way.
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 08/24/2009 13:07:59
wickedpam on 08/24/2009 13:07:59
Morning 
Comment by 
Scoopster on 08/24/2009 13:30:04
Scoopster on 08/24/2009 13:30:04
Mornin' 
Comment by 
Raine on 08/24/2009 13:51:36
Raine on 08/24/2009 13:51:36
Bloggie updated! Thank you for waiting!
Comment by 
BobR on 08/24/2009 13:56:15
BobR on 08/24/2009 13:56:15
How much longer are we going to let a small vocal minority of idiots drive the debate?
Comment by wickedpam on 08/24/2009 14:00:51
wickedpam on 08/24/2009 14:00:51
part of me has to wonder if its more like we, as a nation, don't like confrontation. I'm not talking miliary, cause Lord knows some of us love our guns just a little too much, I'm talking about social confrontation. We let those that whine the loudest win so we don't have to listen to them anymore. It's learned behaviour - we give a kid a cookie or a toy to keep them quiet.
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 14:05:17
I would be willing to go one step further -- We have a nation filled with a bunch of cowards and bullies that just love to wrap themselves in the flag.
I am just getting so sick of these people.
Raine on 08/24/2009 14:05:17
Quote by wickedpam:
part of me has to wonder if its more like we, as a nation, don't like confrontation. I'm not talking miliary, cause Lord knows some of us love our guns just a little too much, I'm talking about social confrontation. We let those that whine the loudest win so we don't have to listen to them anymore. It's learned behaviour - we give a kid a cookie or a toy to keep them quiet.
I am just getting so sick of these people.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/24/2009 14:10:26
I have to agree - Dems have gotten too many swirlies in the past - they flinch when someone makes a fist now.
wickedpam on 08/24/2009 14:10:26
Quote by Raine:I would be willing to go one step further -- We have a nation filled with a bunch of cowards and bullies that just love to wrap themselves in the flag.Quote by wickedpam:
part of me has to wonder if its more like we, as a nation, don't like confrontation. I'm not talking miliary, cause Lord knows some of us love our guns just a little too much, I'm talking about social confrontation. We let those that whine the loudest win so we don't have to listen to them anymore. It's learned behaviour - we give a kid a cookie or a toy to keep them quiet.
I am just getting so sick of these people.
I have to agree - Dems have gotten too many swirlies in the past - they flinch when someone makes a fist now.
Comment by BobR on 08/24/2009 14:12:07
exactly - they hide behind a flag and accuse all who disagree with them of not being "Real Americans". THEY are the ones disrespecting the flag and our nation's history. And people who are unsure don't want to be unAmerican, so they go along with it, or stay quiet.
I find the media culpable as well, since they seem to be giving voice and credibility to these "morans".
BobR on 08/24/2009 14:12:07
Quote by Raine:I would be willing to go one step further -- We have a nation filled with a bunch of cowards and bullies that just love to wrap themselves in the flag.Quote by wickedpam:
part of me has to wonder if its more like we, as a nation, don't like confrontation. I'm not talking miliary, cause Lord knows some of us love our guns just a little too much, I'm talking about social confrontation. We let those that whine the loudest win so we don't have to listen to them anymore. It's learned behaviour - we give a kid a cookie or a toy to keep them quiet.
I am just getting so sick of these people.
exactly - they hide behind a flag and accuse all who disagree with them of not being "Real Americans". THEY are the ones disrespecting the flag and our nation's history. And people who are unsure don't want to be unAmerican, so they go along with it, or stay quiet.
I find the media culpable as well, since they seem to be giving voice and credibility to these "morans".
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 14:25:02
Raine on 08/24/2009 14:25:02
BTW I posted this as yesterdays blog, but it deserves another mention here:
Yesterday, the AJC has a rather good review of what Health Care reform means for America. It was surpisingly well done, I must say. I've been known to be quite critical of our hometown paper, but I'll give credit where it is due. While I did find a few factual errors, for example: Everything the republicans from our fine state said. If you want, you can access it here, there are some really good links.
The debate goes on. This was on the front page of Sunday's newspaper:
The photo caption reads:
Yesterday, the AJC has a rather good review of what Health Care reform means for America. It was surpisingly well done, I must say. I've been known to be quite critical of our hometown paper, but I'll give credit where it is due. While I did find a few factual errors, for example: Everything the republicans from our fine state said. If you want, you can access it here, there are some really good links.
The debate goes on. This was on the front page of Sunday's newspaper:
The photo caption reads:
East Cobb barber, [name redacted by me] thinks that people should work for their health care. He's 52, a Marietta resident, and has no health insurance.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 08/24/2009 14:31:48
m-hadley on 08/24/2009 14:31:48
Mornin' Everybodee 
Just another drive-by posting - another busy Monday here at the Law Liberry
Hope everyone is doing well - have a good day
BTB, Excellent post Raine, I am reminded of the headline in a London paper after the results [sic] of the 2004 election were made known. It read something like "How could 200 milliion people be so stupid?" Indeed.
Cheers,
mfaye
Just another drive-by posting - another busy Monday here at the Law Liberry
Hope everyone is doing well - have a good day
BTB, Excellent post Raine, I am reminded of the headline in a London paper after the results [sic] of the 2004 election were made known. It read something like "How could 200 milliion people be so stupid?" Indeed.
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by Scoopster on 08/24/2009 14:40:40
Scoopster on 08/24/2009 14:40:40
Insurance companies admit they are sending employees and lobbyists to town hall meetings.
I ran into such a woman at Langevin's town hall last week. She claimed she worked "in the industry" and had traveled to Europe to study the "failure of their health care systems". I when I asked her whether she worked in healthcare or health insurance she refused to answer and tried to pin it back on me by asking "Have you gone to Europe?"
I ran into such a woman at Langevin's town hall last week. She claimed she worked "in the industry" and had traveled to Europe to study the "failure of their health care systems". I when I asked her whether she worked in healthcare or health insurance she refused to answer and tried to pin it back on me by asking "Have you gone to Europe?"
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 14:45:10
Who is this breathy little twit?
Raine on 08/24/2009 14:45:10
Who is this breathy little twit?
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 14:47:38
Say it ain't so! I can't believe they would do that!
Raine on 08/24/2009 14:47:38
Quote by Scoopster:
Insurance companies admit they are sending employees and lobbyists to town hall meetings.
I ran into such a woman at Langevin's town hall last week. She claimed she worked "in the industry" and had traveled to Europe to study the "failure of their health care systems". I when I asked her whether she worked in healthcare or health insurance she refused to answer and tried to pin it back on me by asking "Have you gone to Europe?"
Comment by Scoopster on 08/24/2009 14:53:56
Scoopster on 08/24/2009 14:53:56
Oh yea.. caught a quick punch from the previously mentioned morning idiots in Boston as I was jumping stations - they compared Obama taking a vacation on Martha's Vineyard to Bush playing 'one innocent round of golf'. 
BTW I do get the new sports talk station in Boston on my walkman.. it's faint but at least it's MUCH better than those two turds.
BTW I do get the new sports talk station in Boston on my walkman.. it's faint but at least it's MUCH better than those two turds.
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 15:11:23
* sigh *
Raine on 08/24/2009 15:11:23
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh yea.. caught a quick punch from the previously mentioned morning idiots in Boston as I was jumping stations - they compared Obama taking a vacation on Martha's Vineyard to Bush playing 'one innocent round of golf'.
BTW I do get the new sports talk station in Boston on my walkman.. it's faint but at least it's MUCH better than those two turds.
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 15:17:05
Raine on 08/24/2009 15:17:05
They had a freedom Concert here in Gwinnet county on saturday... 
Comment by 
livingonli on 08/24/2009 15:34:19
livingonli on 08/24/2009 15:34:19
Good morning everyone.. 
Why are these idiots controlling the debate? If there isn't any proof that the media is not liberal, what does it take to spell it out?
A lot on my plate today, hopefully I will get something accomplished.
Why are these idiots controlling the debate? If there isn't any proof that the media is not liberal, what does it take to spell it out?
A lot on my plate today, hopefully I will get something accomplished.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/24/2009 15:38:39
wickedpam on 08/24/2009 15:38:39
Hey Liv - make a to do list, it will make you feel like you've accomplished a bunch when you cross stuff off
Comment by Will in Chicago on 08/24/2009 15:56:08
Will in Chicago on 08/24/2009 15:56:08
Good morning, bloggers!!
Excellent post, Raine! I think that we have people selling fear and conditioned to being afraid.
I am going to cross post the story on Baucus at UNN, and forward it to Jeff Farias. (As I mentioned last week, he is filling in for Randi Rhodes on Thursday and Friday.)
Excellent post, Raine! I think that we have people selling fear and conditioned to being afraid.
I am going to cross post the story on Baucus at UNN, and forward it to Jeff Farias. (As I mentioned last week, he is filling in for Randi Rhodes on Thursday and Friday.)
Comment by livingonli on 08/24/2009 16:08:38
livingonli on 08/24/2009 16:08:38
What happened to the Thom Hartmann feed. Oops, it's fixed. They started sending Rush out instead and that's what Sirius had..
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 16:11:02
Raine on 08/24/2009 16:11:02
What the hell was Rush doing on Seattle?
Comment by livingonli on 08/24/2009 16:13:55
Seemed to be the wrong program was going out on the Thom feed for the first minute because Sirius had the same thing. The feed was fixed but not before there was a lot of confusion.
livingonli on 08/24/2009 16:13:55
Quote by Raine:
What the hell was Rush doing on Seattle?
Seemed to be the wrong program was going out on the Thom feed for the first minute because Sirius had the same thing. The feed was fixed but not before there was a lot of confusion.
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 16:24:28
Thanks Will! I wish he was filling in for her all week.
That guy last friday was just terrible.
I am gonna go eat some lunch and was that nasty Rush residue out of my ears.
Raine on 08/24/2009 16:24:28
Quote by Will in Phoenix:
Good morning, bloggers!!
Excellent post, Raine! I think that we have people selling fear and conditioned to being afraid.
I am going to cross post the story on Baucus at UNN, and forward it to Jeff Farias. (As I mentioned last week, he is filling in for Randi Rhodes on Thursday and Friday.)
That guy last friday was just terrible.
I am gonna go eat some lunch and was that nasty Rush residue out of my ears.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 08/24/2009 16:36:32
Was it on all feeds, or just 1480 KPHX? They did have a similar problem a few weeks back, carrying Portland traffic and weather here. (Let's say that I thought the road names were unfamiliar but the weather report was closer to November than July or August.)
Will in Chicago on 08/24/2009 16:36:32
Quote by livingonli:
What happened to the Thom Hartmann feed. Oops, it's fixed. They started sending Rush out instead and that's what Sirius had..
Was it on all feeds, or just 1480 KPHX? They did have a similar problem a few weeks back, carrying Portland traffic and weather here. (Let's say that I thought the road names were unfamiliar but the weather report was closer to November than July or August.)
Comment by Will in Chicago on 08/24/2009 16:37:49
Will in Chicago on 08/24/2009 16:37:49
Raine, you may find it amusing, but I was taking a shower when Rush came on my radio. (I definitely needed it after hearing him.)
Comment by livingonli on 08/24/2009 16:46:16
It seemed to go out on all feeds since I heard it on Sirius and the KTLK stream. KTLK dumped it and ran spots and traffic reports until the Thom feed came on. Sirius stayed on it but it abruptly shifted from Rush to Thom once it was cleared up.
livingonli on 08/24/2009 16:46:16
Quote by Will in Phoenix:Quote by livingonli:
What happened to the Thom Hartmann feed. Oops, it's fixed. They started sending Rush out instead and that's what Sirius had..
Was it on all feeds, or just 1480 KPHX? They did have a similar problem a few weeks back, carrying Portland traffic and weather here. (Let's say that I thought the road names were unfamiliar but the weather report was closer to November than July or August.)
It seemed to go out on all feeds since I heard it on Sirius and the KTLK stream. KTLK dumped it and ran spots and traffic reports until the Thom feed came on. Sirius stayed on it but it abruptly shifted from Rush to Thom once it was cleared up.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 08/24/2009 17:00:06
The same thing that happened with KTLK happened here at KPHX. Thanks for the clarification.
Will in Chicago on 08/24/2009 17:00:06
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Will in Phoenix:Quote by livingonli:
What happened to the Thom Hartmann feed. Oops, it's fixed. They started sending Rush out instead and that's what Sirius had..
Was it on all feeds, or just 1480 KPHX? They did have a similar problem a few weeks back, carrying Portland traffic and weather here. (Let's say that I thought the road names were unfamiliar but the weather report was closer to November than July or August.)
It seemed to go out on all feeds since I heard it on Sirius and the KTLK stream. KTLK dumped it and ran spots and traffic reports until the Thom feed came on. Sirius stayed on it but it abruptly shifted from Rush to Thom once it was cleared up.
The same thing that happened with KTLK happened here at KPHX. Thanks for the clarification.
Comment by Scoopster on 08/24/2009 17:34:50
Scoopster on 08/24/2009 17:34:50
Need some help here guys.. saw this elsewhere in reply to a buddy of mine:
Couldn't find anything over at HCRM to answer this.
Only thing I hear from you is that insurance industry sets the price. How? where? who?
Couldn't find anything over at HCRM to answer this.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/24/2009 17:46:30
I wonder if Tri would have the inside track on that, since he did work within the industry
wickedpam on 08/24/2009 17:46:30
Quote by Scoopster:
Need some help here guys.. saw this elsewhere in reply to a buddy of mine:Only thing I hear from you is that insurance industry sets the price. How? where? who?
Couldn't find anything over at HCRM to answer this.
I wonder if Tri would have the inside track on that, since he did work within the industry
Comment by Scoopster on 08/24/2009 18:06:26
Scoopster on 08/24/2009 18:06:26
HAH!
Comment by livingonli on 08/24/2009 18:31:46
livingonli on 08/24/2009 18:31:46
Time for me to head off for medicine and the salt mine
Comment by Scoopster on 08/24/2009 19:33:57
Scoopster on 08/24/2009 19:33:57
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 19:52:03
Raine on 08/24/2009 19:52:03
Brian Whitman filling in for Randi? *click* I am off to Shultz.
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/24/2009 20:03:32
Mondobubba on 08/24/2009 20:03:32
Back from the errands, the gym and the flaven! It's been a hectic kine day. Back at home.
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 20:11:40
Raine on 08/24/2009 20:11:40
Breaking news!
Glenn Beck 's AA sponsor drops him also!
Glenn Beck 's AA sponsor drops him also!
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/24/2009 20:13:19
OMG!
Mondobubba on 08/24/2009 20:13:19
Quote by Raine:
Breaking news!
Glenn Beck 's AA sponsor drops him also!
OMG!
Comment by livingonli on 08/24/2009 20:23:25
Sounds like he needed a drink.
livingonli on 08/24/2009 20:23:25
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Breaking news!
Glenn Beck 's AA sponsor drops him also!
OMG!
Sounds like he needed a drink.
Comment by 
TriSec on 08/24/2009 23:29:26
Google "RBRVS". The AMA controls the codes, and they control the reimbursement rates.
TriSec on 08/24/2009 23:29:26
Quote by wickedpam:
I wonder if Tri would have the inside track on that, since he did work within the industry
Google "RBRVS". The AMA controls the codes, and they control the reimbursement rates.
Comment by TriSec on 08/24/2009 23:30:37
TriSec on 08/24/2009 23:30:37
Comment by Raine on 08/24/2009 23:43:09
Heh -- one of the toughest states re: Gun control--- and oh btw, Where are the Sox fans on this?
Raine on 08/24/2009 23:43:09
Quote by TriSec:
*snort* Freakin' Yankees fan.
Heh -- one of the toughest states re: Gun control--- and oh btw, Where are the Sox fans on this?