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Author: TriSec    Date: 02/02/2010 11:30:51

Good Morning.

Today is our 2,512th day in Iraq and our 3,040th day in Afghanistan.

We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from Iraq and Afghanistan, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4375
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4236
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3912
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3516
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 147

Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 325
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 973
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 635
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,395
Journalists - Iraq: 335
Academics Killed - Iraq: 431

We find this morning's cost of war passing through:

$ 956, 095, 700, 000 .00



Here at Ask a Vet, we often tend to focus on the political, and the goings-on in Washington. Every now and again, however...we still remember the original intent of this column, focusing on the troops.

Let me ask everyone out there, which state do you think has the highest per-capita casualty rate? Surely it must be red-blooded, superpatriotic, God-fearing Texas? Maybe it's ultraconservative, ultrareligious South Carolina? I've blogged about this before. You're all wrong. It's liberal, peace-loving Vermont.




Vermont, a bastion of ex-hippies and Ben & Jerry liberals, has another distinction seemingly at odds with its peace-loving, tie-dyed politics: It has suffered more deaths per capita in the Iraq war than any other state.

Beginning with Chief Warrant Officer 4th Class Erik Halvorsen on April 2, 2003, a total of 22 Vermont men have perished in roadside bombings, firefights, sniper attacks and helicopter crashes during the six-year-long war.

"The losses we've had in Vermont have touched most of the state because we're so close-knit," said Maj. Gen. Michael Dubie, commander of the Vermont National Guard. "Almost everyone knows someone — or they know someone who knows someone — who's been affected by our losses."

The casualties give Vermont, pop. 621,000, a rate of 3.54 deaths per 100,000 people.

The high rate speaks more to Vermont's small size than it does to the actual number of deaths. With such a small population, it doesn't take a large number of deaths to produce a high per-capita rate. Vermont is followed on the list by Montana (2.87), Wyoming (2.57), Nebraska (2.50), and South Dakota (2.46).

In raw numbers, Vermont's losses pale in comparison to those of much bigger states — California has lost 469 members of the military in the war (1.27 deaths per 100,000 population), Texas 409 (1.65) and New York 186 (0.95).

The Pentagon does not provide state-by-state breakdowns of troops sent overseas, so it is unclear how many Vermonters are in the war zones. But less than 1 percent of the U.S. military is made up of people who list Vermont as their home state.

Another factor may be the Vermont GIs' assignments. Nearly half the 22 killed were members of the Vermont National Guard, a contingent of which served in Ramadi, a hotspot in 2005 and 2006. Six Vermont Guardsmen were killed there.

The Vermont National Guard is heavy with cavalry and infantry operations and has the U.S. military's only mountain infantry brigade, specializing in mountaineering and small-unit tactics...

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I'm always surprised at how we on the left are always demonized and derided as somehow 'unpatriotic'. Our costs in blood are the same...after all, we're Americans too. Many historic and noble military families came from New England, and our countryside is rife with memorials and historic spots linked to them.

One of the more surprising places to find the military is in the "People's Republic of Cambridge", or more specifically....Harvard Yard. You wouldn't think this pinnacle of genteel learning and leftist politics would have much respect from the right. (Disclaimer; how many recent past presidents went to their arch-rival, Yale? Same thing..)

Nevertheless, the Globe ran a story this past weekend about 3 young Harvard graduates that decided not to go into the public sector, but instead decided to serve their country. They all paid a heavy price.


WASHINGTON - They were three best friends at Harvard Law School who turned their backs on lucrative careers to follow an exceedingly rare path: Michael Weston, who jogged through Harvard Yard in combat boots and openly scorned corporate life, joined the Marines. Helge Boes and his girlfriend Cynthia Tidler, who shared their friend’s sense of duty and adventure, joined the CIA.

Their choices - made out of passion, patriotism, and an urge to live an unconventional life - intertwined their fates.

Boes, a covert CIA operative, died when a grenade went off during training in Afghanistan in 2003, leaving Tidler, whom he had married after school, a widow. In their grief, Weston and Tidler reconnected and married earlier last year. Three months later, Weston deployed to Afghanistan; he died there in October, in a helicopter crash, widowing Tidler once again.

In law school, their interest in military and intelligence work made them oddities to many classmates. Now, in law firms and investment banks across the country, some who knew them are questioning their own career choices. Indeed, their friends said, the close relationship of the three, their commitment to confront America’s enemies, and the tragic arc of their lives underscore how rare it is for people with privileged educations to volunteer to fight America’s wars.

“To see people who could have done anything making that kind of sacrifice, it is hard not to look inward and ask, ‘What kind of sacrifices are you making?’ ’’ said Rob Simmelkjaer, a former classmate who is now a vice president at ESPN in New York.

“I think there are a lot of people who see two guys who really gave the ultimate sacrifice,’’ said John Carey, a partner at Patterson & Sheridan in Palo Alto, Calif. “And there is a lot of guilt.’’

Wanting something more
Weston, Boes, and Tidler lived a few doors down from one another in Ames Hall in their first year of law school. Among students obsessed with grades and high-profile jobs, they were fueled by a different inner fire, according to their friends.

Boes, who participated in ROTC in college, and Tidler, who had spent years learning martial arts, started dating immediately, holding hands as they walked around campus. Weston was more aloof.

“He never bought into that whole, ‘We are going to be rich and famous and make lots money,’ ’’ recalled Kristin Oliver, a classmate who kept in touch with Weston until his death. “He was contemptuous of it.’’

Weston was the kind of guy who had lawn chairs in his apartment instead of furniture. He aspired to own nothing more than he could fit into his car.

Later in life, he kayaked the length of the Mississippi River and studied auto mechanics with as much gusto as he had mastered computer science at Stanford. He once camped in a San Francisco park for weeks during a short summer internship - showering at the YMCA - because he didn’t want to pay rent. Raised by his divorced mother in State College, Pa., Weston arrived at Harvard and quickly realized he did not want a Harvard kind of life. He didn’t want to be like his father, a successful partner at a Los Angeles law firm.

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It's been far less prevalent over the last year, thank God, but there's still a section of the population that still consider "liberal" to be a swear word. That mystifies me; throughout our history, with perhaps the exception of the Civil War, Americans have always been able to put aside their differences and present a united front during times of war. Why is this time different?




 

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Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/02/2010 13:32:44
Good morning, bloggers! Great post, TriSec!



It is dangerous when any party claims to be the sole source of morality or patriotism. Such claims devalue those of all political philosophies and personal belief who have made sacrifices on behalf of this country. I consider devaluing another person to be a cowardly act, and I would aggree with Samuel Johnson that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/02/2010 13:35:44
Sorry about the double post. My connection stopped and I resubmitted a post that I thought had vanished.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/02/2010 13:52:46
Morning

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 14:14:11
Quote by Will in Chicago:

Sorry about the double post. My connection stopped and I resubmitted a post that I thought had vanished.
all fixed!





Good morning!



Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/02/2010 14:30:17
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Will in Chicago:

Sorry about the double post. My connection stopped and I resubmitted a post that I thought had vanished.
all fixed!





Good morning!





Good morning! Any good news on Oma?



As for myself, I subbed 3 days this week and none so far this one. SO, later, I will contact one of the other local districts to see if I can drop off the fee for the background check. (I suspect my background report is rated Z as it probably induces snoring.)





Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 14:43:17
Quote by Will in Chicago:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Will in Chicago:

Sorry about the double post. My connection stopped and I resubmitted a post that I thought had vanished.
all fixed!





Good morning!





Good morning! Any good news on Oma?



As for myself, I subbed 3 days this week and none so far this one. SO, later, I will contact one of the other local districts to see if I can drop off the fee for the background check. (I suspect my background report is rated Z as it probably induces snoring.)



Ha!



Oma is doing well. She is home, and her appetite is returning. It is going to be a long road, but every day she does a little bit better. The nurses are coming in today to help mom take care of her.







Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 14:44:53
A serious question, and one that I am wondering why the Dems are not using, this budget JUST came out yesterday, and even before it was released people like the Boehner came out against it. The bill is over 2000 pages, and there is NO way they have read it.



Why not use the same BS they used during the HCR debate?

Comment by BobR on 02/02/2010 14:44:57
Great Ask A Vet, as always Tri...

Comment by wickedpam on 02/02/2010 14:46:46
Quote by Raine:

A serious question, and one that I am wondering why the Dems are not using, this budget JUST came out yesterday, and even before it was released people like the Boehner came out against it. The bill is over 2000 pages, and there is NO way they have read it.



Why not use the same BS they used during the HCR debate?






because for some reason we suck at marketing

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 15:24:57
Comment by Scoopster on 02/02/2010 15:26:12
Morning all..



Very disappointed at the Oscar nominations.. Nine isn't in there for best picture, and Watchmen didn't get a SINGLE nomination when it deserved at least three (Best Supporting Actor, Adapted Screenplay & Visual Effects).

Comment by Scoopster on 02/02/2010 15:27:21
Quote by Raine:

6 more weeks of Winter? That is it. I have had it with the groundhog...


Current Weather - CLOUDY. How the hell?

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 15:30:15
Quote by Scoopster:

Morning all..



Very disappointed at the Oscar nominations.. Nine isn't in there for best picture, and Watchmen didn't get a SINGLE nomination when it deserved at least three (Best Supporting Actor, Adapted Screenplay & Visual Effects).


I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that there are 10 nominees in the best picture category.

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 15:38:37
I am a sucker for ANY football movie. I just love them...

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 15:39:07
Seriously-- Brian's Song? Who didn't cry?

Comment by wickedpam on 02/02/2010 16:25:10
Quote by Raine:

Seriously-- Brian's Song? Who didn't cry?






I don't even think I've seen it since I was a kid



Not really a fan of the sport movie genre - though I did cry at the end of the movie about the '80's Olympic hockey team

Comment by livingonli on 02/02/2010 16:29:44
Good morning everyone. Even with my night off, I still ended up going to bed late. I wish I had normal hours again.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/02/2010 16:42:13
Quote by livingonli:

Good morning everyone. Even with my night off, I still ended up going to bed late. I wish I had normal hours again.






have you been keeping an eye on your company's job board or put in a request for a shift change? It never hurts to ask, maybe something is about to open up and you cna be the first one to put in for it

Comment by Scoopster on 02/02/2010 16:44:33
Comment by livingonli on 02/02/2010 16:57:16
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:

Good morning everyone. Even with my night off, I still ended up going to bed late. I wish I had normal hours again.






have you been keeping an eye on your company's job board or put in a request for a shift change? It never hurts to ask, maybe something is about to open up and you cna be the first one to put in for it


Maybe once the job situation stabilizes. We lost a few people when FS Florida left our building and there's a possibility that Comcast will pull out New England and Bay Area once their contracts are up in two years.

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 17:03:28
Comment by livingonli on 02/02/2010 17:09:54
Both Holtsville Hal and Malverne Mel predict six more weeks of winter.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/02/2010 17:14:20
wow - Thom's caller - SELFISH!

Comment by BobR on 02/02/2010 17:18:43
Quote by Scoopster:

Ok this is just too weird..


wow!

Comment by BobR on 02/02/2010 17:19:18
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

Seriously-- Brian's Song? Who didn't cry?






I don't even think I've seen it since I was a kid



Not really a fan of the sport movie genre - though I did cry at the end of the movie about the '80's Olympic hockey team


I cried at the end of Slap Shot... it was just so... beautiful....

Comment by TriSec on 02/02/2010 17:23:32
I predict a lot of dead Groundhog carcasses lying around.





Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 17:23:41
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

Seriously-- Brian's Song? Who didn't cry?






I don't even think I've seen it since I was a kid



Not really a fan of the sport movie genre - though I did cry at the end of the movie about the '80's Olympic hockey team


I cried at the end of Slap Shot... it was just so... beautiful....




Comment by BobR on 02/02/2010 17:25:43


This was freaking me out until I read at the bottom that this was a poll of self-identified Republicans, not the general voting public.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/02/2010 17:26:15
boo hoo hoo poor millionaires are hurting cause they have to pay their share of taxes





Comment by wickedpam on 02/02/2010 17:30:19
Quote by BobR:



This was freaking me out until I read at the bottom that this was a poll of self-identified Republicans, not the general voting public.






why am I now surprised by this poll

Comment by livingonli on 02/02/2010 17:49:58
Quote by wickedpam:

boo hoo hoo poor millionaires are hurting cause they have to pay their share of taxes





At this point, if we want to get the deficit down, the only way to fix it is if they start paying more taxes which would take as Thom would say undoing not just the Bush task cuts but the Reagan ones as well.

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 19:18:34
CAn someone tell me how one store can sell tomatoes for $2.29 a pound and another for $.50?



Also this: green peppers 2.29, other store 1.39 --

Comment by wickedpam on 02/02/2010 19:48:53
Quote by Raine:

CAn someone tell me how one store can sell tomatoes for $2.29 a pound and another for $.50?



Also this: green peppers 2.29, other store 1.39 --






where did you go?

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 20:15:13
RANDI!!! STOP!!! you are making me ill!

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 20:20:22
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

CAn someone tell me how one store can sell tomatoes for $2.29 a pound and another for $.50?



Also this: green peppers 2.29, other store 1.39 --






where did you go?
now don't tell anyone... but there is a Foodway near us. (Mt Vernon and W. Glebe)



it isn't the fanciest store, it is old, but the prices are amazing! It seems to cater to the El Salvadorian people in the area, (as we live near an area called Arlandria) but I cannot believe how much cheaper it is for fresh food and meat there.



And it really is fresh. I prefer to get my canned goods elsewhere, but this store is amazing. I got Chicken legs (with the thigh) for .69 a pound -- not on sale. I get ground beef for 1.29 a pound. the *fancy* stuff (less fat) is 2.50... And I can't even begin to tell you how amazing the prices are for fresh fish.



Comment by wickedpam on 02/02/2010 20:26:37
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

CAn someone tell me how one store can sell tomatoes for $2.29 a pound and another for $.50?



Also this: green peppers 2.29, other store 1.39 --






where did you go?
now don't tell anyone... but there is a Foodway near us. (Mt Vernon and W. Glebe)



it isn't the fanciest store, it is old, but the prices are amazing! It seems to cater to the El Salvadorian people in the area, (as we live near an area called Arlandria) but I cannot believe how much cheaper it is for fresh food and meat there.



And it really is fresh. I prefer to get my canned goods elsewhere, but this store is amazing. I got Chicken legs (with the thigh) for .69 a pound -- not on sale. I get ground beef for 1.29 a pound. the *fancy* stuff (less fat) is 2.50... And I can't even begin to tell you how amazing the prices are for fresh fish.







never tried a Foodway, we have a Global Market out in Manassas but the place looks skeezy so we don't go

Comment by TriSec on 02/02/2010 21:22:10
On July 11, 1997, the Massachusetts State Legislature abolished Middlesex County as a governmental entity due primarily to the county's insolvency. Middlesex County continues to exist as a geographic boundary.



You know who you are.

Comment by BobR on 02/02/2010 21:37:18
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

CAn someone tell me how one store can sell tomatoes for $2.29 a pound and another for $.50?



Also this: green peppers 2.29, other store 1.39 --






where did you go?
now don't tell anyone... but there is a Foodway near us. (Mt Vernon and W. Glebe)



it isn't the fanciest store, it is old, but the prices are amazing! It seems to cater to the El Salvadorian people in the area, (as we live near an area called Arlandria) but I cannot believe how much cheaper it is for fresh food and meat there.



And it really is fresh. I prefer to get my canned goods elsewhere, but this store is amazing. I got Chicken legs (with the thigh) for .69 a pound -- not on sale. I get ground beef for 1.29 a pound. the *fancy* stuff (less fat) is 2.50... And I can't even begin to tell you how amazing the prices are for fresh fish.







never tried a Foodway, we have a Global Market out in Manassas but the place looks skeezy so we don't go


The Foodway in our neighborhood looks a little skeezy too - don't let that deter you from saving a lot of money.

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 21:43:30
oh GOD crazy Scott the jew hater is on Randi..

Comment by Raine on 02/02/2010 21:45:00
Bob is right Mala, we save about 30% at this store. Seriously -- and that is not even including sales.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/02/2010 23:08:55
Quote by Raine:

oh GOD crazy Scott the jew hater is on Randi..




I am glad that I missed Randi today.



It is sad to think that we still have people in this country who hate others for who they are. However, considering the poll on Daily Kos and the teabaggers, we should not be shocked.

Comment by livingonli on 02/02/2010 23:43:01
Quote by Raine:

oh GOD crazy Scott the jew hater is on Randi..


He should just hurry up and join his buddy Hitler in hell. I am really tired of the stupid people and the obnoxious bigots in this country.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/03/2010 02:02:40
Quote by TriSec:

On July 11, 1997, the Massachusetts State Legislature abolished Middlesex County as a governmental entity due primarily to the county's insolvency. Middlesex County continues to exist as a geographic boundary.



You know who you are.






Thanks, Herr TriSec

Comment by TriSec on 02/03/2010 02:07:57
Back in for the evening.



Why, I actually get to sit back and enjoy a wee dram of bourbon this evening, instead of pounding back a shot as a sleep aid.





Comment by Mondobubba on 02/03/2010 02:23:01
Quote by TriSec:

Back in for the evening.



Why, I actually get to sit back and enjoy a wee dram of bourbon this evening, instead of pounding back a shot as a sleep aid.









And how was that Scout Council meeting?