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It's Electric!
Author: BobR    Date: 02/26/2010 13:11:35

For those who might have missed it, there was a fascinating story on 60 Minutes earlier this week. It was about a new product from a new company that could be the death knell for coal and nuclear power, while providing another option for cleaner power. It's not as clean as wind or solar, but it has some advantages over those which makes it a good addition to the electric power generation toolkit.

The name of the product is the Bloom Box™, produced by Bloom Energy. The story is textbook genius taking lemons and making lemonade. Dr. Bloom had created a device that used electricity to create oxygen and water for NASA. When they canceled the project, he reverse engineered it to create electricity and water from methane and oxygen. While that doesn't sound revolutionary, it is leaps and bounds above standard methods.

It is essentially a fuel cell that uses an electro-chemical reaction to create the electricity. That means it doesn't actually burn the gas, so no energy is lost to heat, making it extremely efficient. It does generate some heat, but that is recycled and reused in the process. It also uses water, which again is recycled within the system. This means the net efficiency is exponentially better than traditional methods.

The end result of this is that it puts out very little carbon dioxide, and negligible other pollutants, and their specs indicate that if "bio-gas" is used, the system is essentially carbon-neutral.

It is also a "stand alone" system, which means that you can put the device outside your house (next to the A/C, for instance), hook the input to your gas line, and the output to your fuse box, and you can disconnect from the power grid - permanently. Your overall bills will go way down, because you are not paying for the inefficiencies of burning coal and transmitting the power across the state (and all the man-power overhead that goes with it). Worrying about power lines during a storm will be a thing of the past - you essentially already have a "generator".

Still - under normal situations it uses natural gas. As mentioned, it can also use bio-gas, which is technically a renewable resource. Imagine if farms and sewage treatment plants were set up to maximize decomposition to produce methane, which was fed into a Bloom Box to generate electricity? It's a double-win for the environment, and allows us to get maximum usage from our waste stream.

What about cars? Would this work in cars? It seems appealing because a natural gas tank could be refilled pretty quickly. From what I've seen - I don't think so. They are too big and bulky to be practical for that application (although they might work for ships). Thinking about the possibility, though, does illustrate that the only thing keeping electric cars from widespread adoption is the amount of time it takes to recharge them. That's why we keep seeing hybrids, fuel cell cars (using hydrogen), and other approaches. No one wants to wait 6 hours to charge their car every time their battery runs low on their road trip to FL for a beach vacation.

That's why the capacitor technology from EEStor Technologies is so exciting - IF they can get it to work, and can build it reliably in a cost-efficient manner. I've probably referenced this company and their reputed technology several times in my years writing for this blog, and I keep hoping I'll hear something concrete from them.

The main benefit is that an electric car could be recharged in 3-6 minutes, which is about the length of time it takes to fill a gas tank. All gas stations already have electricity, so adding some "electricity pumps" would be simple.

Imagine the possibilities: A station with a big propane tank and a Bloom Box could be located anywhere, with no need for gas lines even or electric lines. The main factor for the success of these technologies is consumer demand and making them affordable. I think the Bloom Box is poised to meet that criteria. I hope EEStor can do so as well.

The carbon footprint each of us makes would be greatly reduced, and it wouldn't even take an act of Congress. A market-driven solution to the greenhouse gas problem, with potentially "green jobs" created to boot. Republicans everywhere should be drooling...


 

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Comment by BobR on 02/26/2010 13:13:23
Surprised I didn't write about the Health Care Debate yesterday? I felt that everyone and their brother was going to be writing about it, so there was no point. Also - I was pretty psyched about the Bloom Box story...

Comment by wickedpam on 02/26/2010 13:24:59
THanks for explain the BloomBox, I didnt' get to see the story but was interested it what it could do.



I love the idea of it and it sounds very practical, one question I have though it what about homes that are entirely electric would there be a sudden boom to connecting every home to natural gas?



Morning btw

Comment by BobR on 02/26/2010 14:04:36
Quote by wickedpam:

THanks for explain the BloomBox, I didnt' get to see the story but was interested it what it could do.



I love the idea of it and it sounds very practical, one question I have though it what about homes that are entirely electric would there be a sudden boom to connecting every home to natural gas?



Morning btw


well - there is that.



Of course - if an entire neighborhood wants it, they could put a "sub-station" into the neighborhood, and run the one gas line. Then everyone could pay their share of the gas bill based on their electric meter readings.

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 14:09:16
good morning!



Comment by wickedpam on 02/26/2010 14:13:40
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

THanks for explain the BloomBox, I didnt' get to see the story but was interested it what it could do.



I love the idea of it and it sounds very practical, one question I have though it what about homes that are entirely electric would there be a sudden boom to connecting every home to natural gas?



Morning btw


well - there is that.



Of course - if an entire neighborhood wants it, they could put a "sub-station" into the neighborhood, and run the one gas line. Then everyone could pay their share of the gas bill based on their electric meter readings.






It sounds too me like there are some good possiblities with the bloombox. Its not something to be ruled out

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 14:24:23
this is a pretty good article about the bloom box



Google HQ has been beta testing it since 2008. It really is very exciting. I like how it can be reversed to produce hydrogen, which would be useful for cars if things go that way.

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 14:27:26
Plus, you could actually sell excess electricity to the electric utilities.

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 15:10:19
BTW, Lizz is filling in for Ed Shultz today at noon..

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 15:22:24
Comment by BobR on 02/26/2010 15:26:18
Comment by wickedpam on 02/26/2010 15:26:25
I'm surprised that Shane-o didn't do a mash up with "Starting Over"

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 15:28:42




Perfect song !

Comment by wickedpam on 02/26/2010 16:29:29
thing is healthy foods are more costly then junk for, so for alot of people its not cost effective - even though its a good idea

Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2010 16:38:03
Good morning everyone.



Anyone else lose the Momma feed between 20 and 30 because my local station did. I just hope they don't have a problem when Lizz comes on. I guess they still do the show out of the MSNBC studio since Lizz is thee regularly when she appears on Ed's show.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/26/2010 16:40:25
I'm listening on KTLK and didn't notice anything - maybe it was just a local blip.



How's the weather up there btw

Comment by Scoopster on 02/26/2010 16:51:19


Needs moar Brass Bonanza!



Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2010 16:53:31
Quote by wickedpam:

I'm listening on KTLK and didn't notice anything - maybe it was just a local blip.



How's the weather up there btw


It's been snowing since last night along with a lot of wind. We're supposed to get between 7 and 14 inches before it ends on Saturday morning. Not looking forward to heading to work in this even if I do live close to my job now.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/26/2010 16:56:25
Just really be careful driving

Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2010 17:06:21
BTW, Just saw that the divorce of Gov. Appalachian Trail is now official.

Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2010 17:33:40
Who's listening to Lizz right now?

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 17:41:13
Quote by livingonli:

Who's listening to Lizz right now?


I am!





Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 17:50:36
I finally figured out what Colburn REALLY was talking about with his desire to use undercover patients!



It's so simple!


Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2010 18:00:51
Either that or maybe they will dress as fake pimps and prostitutes.

Comment by clintster on 02/26/2010 18:06:20
Pic of the day:

http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/02/canadalosesathockey_1693e.jpg


Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 18:18:17
Quote by livingonli:

Either that or maybe they will dress as fake pimps and prostitutes.


I hear they are going to appoint James O'keefe to head the department.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2010 18:44:17
Quote by Raine:

I finally figured out what Colburn REALLY was talking about with his desire to use undercover patients!



It's so simple!




OMG is that Mary Woronov as the prison matron hosing the Angels down for lice?

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2010 18:56:52
My Mary Waronov fanboydom killed the blog?

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 19:08:39
Quote by Mondobubba:

My Mary Waronov fanboydom killed the blog?


naw -- I was just on the Ed show with Lizz hosting

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/26/2010 19:13:05
Hello.







Just cruisin' by to read the blog and say. Hello. :D

Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2010 19:15:12
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Mondobubba:

My Mary Waronov fanboydom killed the blog?


naw -- I was just on the Ed show with Lizz hosting


Damn, missed it. Housemate was vacuuming and it drowned out the radio.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2010 19:15:58
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Mondobubba:

My Mary Waronov fanboydom killed the blog?


naw -- I was just on the Ed show with Lizz hosting




Here I am barely functioning because of the railroad spike the cats hammered into my head while I was sleeping (seriously bad, bad headache) so I missed ya tawking to La Winstead. Hurumph!

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2010 19:17:37
I am going to crawl into the shower, go to the lye-berry :spit. DING! spittoon: And maybe go to the car wash.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/26/2010 19:28:43
DAMN!! Did I miss Raine on Lizz? Shoot. I must have been in the store buying our lunch.



Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 19:28:56
You can listen to it later. I was on about 31 minutes or so ago.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/26/2010 20:03:06
Review done for another year, all is well

Comment by wickedpam on 02/26/2010 20:04:34
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Mondobubba:

My Mary Waronov fanboydom killed the blog?


naw -- I was just on the Ed show with Lizz hosting






Damn! Missed it too - Gonna have to listen later

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 20:09:35
It's Friday ya bastahds!























BOUNCE!


Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 20:10:50
Quote by wickedpam:

Review done for another year, all is well


Not surprised at all. Mala.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/26/2010 20:14:54
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Review done for another year, all is well


Not surprised at all. Mala.






Awww thanks

Comment by Scoopster on 02/26/2010 20:17:50






Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2010 21:28:02
Did anyone see my comment last night about Scott the anti-Semite calling Randi's show and how she lashed out at him? Hopefully no one is going to put him on the air anymore.

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 21:45:31
If you are listeing to Seattle station I should be up after the next break....

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 21:47:17
Quote by livingonli:

Did anyone see my comment last night about Scott the anti-Semite calling Randi's show and how she lashed out at him? Hopefully no one is going to put him on the air anymore.


That guy is just crazy enough to change his name in order to get back on air.



I am so very very happy that Steph and Chris put the kabosh on letting him on the air.

Comment by Raine on 02/26/2010 22:26:12
at about 4 minutes in. It is just ridiculous. if you can handle it.





Comment by BobR on 02/26/2010 22:29:21
Quote by wickedpam:

Review done for another year, all is well


I'm glad they didn't ding you for wanting to apply common-sense safety standards during the snow.

Comment by BobR on 02/26/2010 22:31:49
Quote by Raine:

at about 4 minutes in. It is just ridiculous. if you can handle it.





As they say in the south:



That boy ain't right...

Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2010 22:45:48
Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:

Did anyone see my comment last night about Scott the anti-Semite calling Randi's show and how she lashed out at him? Hopefully no one is going to put him on the air anymore.


That guy is just crazy enough to change his name in order to get back on air.



I am so very very happy that Steph and Chris put the kabosh on letting him on the air.


If she makes good on her promise, he may be hearing from the ADL.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/27/2010 00:27:06
Quote by Raine:

at about 4 minutes in. It is just ridiculous. if you can handle it.







Can I spank him?!! CAN I? CAN I?





What a big boob turd. If there was such a thing. Wow.