Freedom of Speech Author: BobRDate:10/27/2010 11:44:34
There's been a lot of talk recently about "Freedom of Speech". It's been at the forefront of our national self-image since our country was formed. The idea that we have the right to say what we want when we want is something we all cherish, even though we really don't have that right. We can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. The reality is that what we assume to be freedom of speech isn't what's written in the Constitution. The exact words are:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
What we are guaranteed is that the government cannot stifle our words. There is no guarantee afforded us beyond that. That is why it's so disturbing, however, when those who seek office in our government (and their most fervent supporters) would be so heavy-handed when dealing with opposition voices.
The most recent example is the woman stomped at a Rand Paul rally in Kentucky. If by chance you have not seen the video, here it is:
The person doing the stomping is Tim Profitt, one of Rand Paul's campaign chairs. Considering this person self-identifies as a Tea Partier, you would think he'd respect another person's right to free speech and peaceful assembly. In this case, it is not the government shutting down this woman's voice so violently, but a campaign chair for a person seeking office. It cuts pretty close to the bone.
Another case of violence by supporters happened in Arizona where a supporter of Sharron Angle punched a woman in the face when she got up to leave a rally. Her crime? Not being a supporter. Again, not a Constitutional free-speech violation, but - again - you'd think someone in the Tea Party movement would have more respect for another person's ability to voice their opinion.
We also have a supporter of WA state hopeful Dino Rossi saying that her opposition "should be shot", in front of Rossi. Rossi - a Tea Party candidate for Senate - did not chastise the woman:
One woman, the owner of two gyms and a temporary-employment agency, was venting about a pro-union bill supported by Murray when she blurted out: "She ought to be shot. Murray and (Sen. Maria) Cantwell ought to be shot."
Rossi quickly pointed out a reporter in the room, and then said, "That's not really what you meant." The businesswoman quickly agreed: "I didn't mean that."
Yes... because "she ought to be shot" is so ambiguous. Either he did not have the political courage to tell her she was wrong, or he supported the sentiment. Either way, very disturbing for someone who will be tasked with upholding the Constitution if elected.
The most disturbing to me, though is the incident at a Joe Miller (hopeful from Alaska) rally. In that case, a reporter was "arrested" by private security goons at a public Miller rally. Is this how Miller sees the role of government - a private brown-shirt militia to enforce the silencing of those who dare question him? Once in DC, who's to say he wouldn't use Blackwater (oh excuse me - "Xe") to corral his critics?
It's not like this hasn't happened before. Remember the "free speech zones" at Bush/Cheney events? Those were those fenced-off areas away from the actual events where protesters could have their voices not heard? People were ousted from events, simply for the bumper-stickers on their cars, and others were arrested for wearing T-shirts expressing a contrary point of view. These were horrendous infringements by government officials on the right to free speech, the right to assemble, the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.
How many Republicans objected to this? How many pundits on FOX News objected to this? How many people that now self-identify as Tea Party candidates objected to this?
That's why it's so odd that they would scream about the supposed infringement on the freedom of speech they imagine has been brought upon former NPR news analyst Juan Williams, who was fired from his job for repeatedly violating his contract. This is not unprecedented - it's also happened to Don Imus, Helen Thomas and Rick Sanchez. I don't recall FOX News, Republican politicians, and Tea Partiers protesting those firings.
Oh, did I say "odd"? I guess I meant hypocritical.
I just found out they moved the rally bus location for Friday half way across the state. Now, this is Rhode Island so that means it's moved about 15 miles, so it's not a huge deal.. The REAL problem for me is the new location is well off the bus lines, which means arranging a ride or taking a $30 cab from Providence.
Comment byScoopster on 10/27/2010 14:04:01
Oh yeah as if this Rand Paul thing wasn't enough.. as if Joe Miller's brownshirt security wasn't enough.. as if the neo-nazi chemical attack on Raul Grijalva's office wasnt enough..
*sigh* there are days when my state is forethinking and then there are the rest of the days when the redneck thugs have to show their butts
Comment byRaine on 10/27/2010 14:22:45
Quote by Scoopster: Oh yeah as if this Rand Paul thing wasn't enough.. as if Joe Miller's brownshirt security wasn't enough.. as if the neo-nazi chemical attack on Raul Grijalva's office wasnt enough..
What the hell is it with this new excuse "It's a Private Event"?
That was Bullshit.
Comment bywickedpam on 10/27/2010 14:27:42
rrriiiigggghhhhttt
Comment byRaine on 10/27/2010 14:28:54
Public Radio Station? Uhm, caller Momma is not on public Radio.
Comment bywickedpam on 10/27/2010 14:28:59
these people give me a headache
Comment byRaine on 10/27/2010 14:32:06
Quote by wickedpam: these people give me a headache
They have given him FAR too much time to blather on.
Comment bywickedpam on 10/27/2010 14:41:20
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: these people give me a headache
They have given him FAR too much time to blather on.
agreed - just seems there are more and more calls on shows lately - I have at least 1 asshat who joined the board who is like this and I can't even stand the sound of his voice - I'm done with hearing them about anything
Comment byRaine on 10/27/2010 14:47:02
you know what is so disturbing about the Cantor Video is this, as mentioned in today's blog:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
What we are guaranteed is that the government cannot stifle our words. There is no guarantee afforded us beyond that. That is why it's so disturbing, however, when those who seek office in our government (and their most fervent supporters) would be so heavy-handed when dealing with opposition voices.
Those police officers represent the government. No matter how you try to spin this, this was the government preventing the right to assemble.
Comment bywickedpam on 10/27/2010 14:49:31
Quote by Raine: you know what is so disturbing about the Cantor Video is this, as mentioned in today's blog:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
What we are guaranteed is that the government cannot stifle our words. There is no guarantee afforded us beyond that. That is why it's so disturbing, however, when those who seek office in our government (and their most fervent supporters) would be so heavy-handed when dealing with opposition voices.
Those police officers represent the government. No matter how you try to spin this, this was the government preventing the right to assemble.
to play devil's advocate - it was held in a business that while it does cater to the public - most owners say they have a right to refuse service to someone and if you aren't partaking of their service then they expect you to leave
Comment byTriSec on 10/27/2010 15:01:03
This is the same argument that has been used for ages by the Boy Scouts...because they are a "private organization", despite receiving an annual charter from the Congress, they don't have to be non-discriminatory. Never mind that the President is the honorary BSA President, and has been for decades.
Also, South Boston has hid behind this loophole to prevent gay groups from marching in the St. Patrick's day parade in this city. This prompted Cambridge to start staging an counter, all-inclusive parade on the same day.
Comment byScoopster on 10/27/2010 15:13:04
Oh REALLY... These assholes are all taking cues from Ginny Thomas now.
No personal responsibly, ever it seems. They rail against *socialism* and claim that people should be responsible, and pull themselves up by the bootstraps -- they want gummint out of their lives, but they NEVER take personal responsibility.
IT was the woman's fault, it was the police's fault -- it was EVERYONE's fault -- looks like he had twitchy leg syndrome,
maybe it's his doctors fault for not prescribing the right medication.
Comment byRaine on 10/27/2010 15:36:40
Quote by TriSec: This is the same argument that has been used for ages by the Boy Scouts...because they are a "private organization", despite receiving an annual charter from the Congress, they don't have to be non-discriminatory. Never mind that the President is the honorary BSA President, and has been for decades.
Also, South Boston has hid behind this loophole to prevent gay groups from marching in the St. Patrick's day parade in this city. This prompted Cambridge to start staging an counter, all-inclusive parade on the same day.
I Don't think this quite the same, This was an event announced on Cantors website.
He is running for Public office, AND
The police officers are government representatives.
Comment bylivingonli on 10/27/2010 16:06:03
Good day everyone. All the crap I hear from the right these days and all the blatant hypocrisy is why I have lost respect for them.
Comment bylivingonli on 10/27/2010 16:08:10
And since I am carless, I'm not listening to satellite radio in the car and Lizz has been filling in for Michelangelo Signorilie these last few days on OutQ.
No personal responsibly, ever it seems. They rail against *socialism* and claim that people should be responsible, and pull themselves up by the bootstraps -- they want gummint out of their lives, but they NEVER take personal responsibility.
IT was the woman's fault, it was the police's fault -- it was EVERYONE's fault -- looks like he had twitchy leg syndrome,
maybe it's his doctors fault for not prescribing the right medication.
exactly
Comment byRaine on 10/27/2010 16:25:30
Hey -- is Thom a repeat??
Comment bylivingonli on 10/27/2010 16:27:31
Quote by Raine: Hey -- is Thom a repeat??
It's a special Wednesday edition of Brunch with Bernie according to his website. It didn't say repeat which it would normally.