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Author: TriSec
Date: 11/30/2010 11:32:05
Good Morning.
Today is our 2,813th day in Iraq and our 3,341st day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4429
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4290
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3570
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 201
Since Operation New Dawn: 11
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 318
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,411
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 827
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,487
Journalists - Iraq : 348
Academics Killed - Iraq: 448
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
$ 1, 114, 665, 175, 000 .00
We have a tale of two countries this morning. War is one of the great movers of people; vast migrations have occured among the civilian population wherever armies fight, from the ancients, to Belgium and France, and now on to Iraq and Afghanistan. We'll start in Iraq; we've been at war there in one form or another for almost 20 years now. During that time, the population has
ebbed and flowed.
1500 miles away, the situation in Kabul isn't much better. During the Bush years, most of the focus was on Iraq, but under President Obama, Afghanistan is struggling hard to catch up. Of course, the refugee situation is following the same path.
But what's to be done? Sixty-Five years ago, Europe was in a shambles. From the Normandy coast all the way to Moscow, thousands of miles of countryside and millions of people were affected by the ravages of war. There could have been a mass migration, but there wasn't...primarily because of something we did called the Marshall Plan.
Unfortunately, such a thing would be impossible today. Nevermind the financial repercussions; the political will just isn't there. It's perhaps a sad commentary that our "greatest generation" fought tyranny, and then turned around and helped to rebuild society. Today's statesmen only seem interested in staying in power and lining their pockets.
Today is our 2,813th day in Iraq and our 3,341st day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4429
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4290
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3570
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 201
Since Operation New Dawn: 11
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 318
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,411
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 827
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,487
Journalists - Iraq : 348
Academics Killed - Iraq: 448
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
We have a tale of two countries this morning. War is one of the great movers of people; vast migrations have occured among the civilian population wherever armies fight, from the ancients, to Belgium and France, and now on to Iraq and Afghanistan. We'll start in Iraq; we've been at war there in one form or another for almost 20 years now. During that time, the population has
ebbed and flowed.
BAGHDAD — A second exodus has begun here, of Iraqis who returned after fleeing the carnage of the height of the war, but now find that violence and the nation’s severe lack of jobs are pulling them away from home once again.
Since the American invasion in 2003, refugees have been a measure of the country’s precarious condition, flooding outward during periods of violence and trickling back as Iraq seemed to stabilize. This new migration shows how far the nation remains from being stable and secure...
....Nearly 100,000 refugees have returned since 2008, out of more than two million who left since the invasion, according to the Iraqi government and the United Nations high commissioner for refugees.
But as they return, pulled by improved security in Iraq or pushed by a lack of work abroad, many are finding that their homeland is still not ready — their houses are gone or occupied, their neighborhoods unsafe, their opportunities minimal.
In a recent survey by the United Nations refugee office, 61 percent of those who returned to Baghdad said they regretted coming back, most saying they did not feel safe. The majority, 87 percent, said they could not make enough money here to support their families. Applications for asylum in Syria have risen more than 50 percent since May.
As Iraq struggles toward a return to stability, these returnees risk becoming people without a country, displaced both at home and abroad. And though departures have ebbed since 2008, a wave of recent attacks on Christians has prompted a new exodus...
...For Abu Maream and his family, who left for Syria in 2005 and came back last year, life has come down to a choice between bad options. Syria seemed safe, he said, but he felt “humiliated” as an unemployed foreigner seeking work, selling off his possessions to keep the family afloat. Back here, he has been unable to find work, and neighbors who used to respect the family now “look down on us,” he said.
On a recent afternoon he sat in a two-room apartment with only a mattress on the floor and a few possessions in boxes. He had no refrigerator and received only a few hours of electricity a day.
“Before, we had Shiite neighbors, and there were no problems at all,” said Mr. Maream, who is Sunni. “The government created the sectarian thing,” he said, meaning that the political parties formed along ethnic or religious lines, formalizing the division. Now his neighborhood has become a stronghold for Sunni extremists.
He sat on the edge of the mattress, his mother sitting behind him. In the coming months, he said, he will send his sisters and mother back to Syria for their safety, and he and his wife and three children will move in with an uncle in Iraq, splitting up the family. When the family would be reunited in Syria he could not say.
“It’s over; that’s it,” he said. “I’m not coming back. How can I come back? I don’t believe Iraq will have a chance again.”
1500 miles away, the situation in Kabul isn't much better. During the Bush years, most of the focus was on Iraq, but under President Obama, Afghanistan is struggling hard to catch up. Of course, the refugee situation is following the same path.
KABUL -- The number of Afghans who are fleeing their country and seeking political asylum abroad has spiked dramatically during the past two years, a sign that people here are giving up the dream of a peaceful homeland to seek security and employment elsewhere.
Adding to Afghan election woes, apparent bribe attempt caught on video
The increase has coincided with a sharp escalation in U.S. troop levels and has made Afghanistan the world's top country of origin for asylum seekers worldwide - ahead of Iraq and Somalia, according to statistics compiled by the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees.
Last year, 27,057 Afghans sought official protection in foreign nations, and although the pace is down this year, the overall trend line could be a troubling indicator as the United States seeks to return Afghanistan to stability.
The vast majority of the refugees are young men in their teens, 20s and 30s, often well educated and with the financial means to pay $20,000 or more to human smugglers for passports and visas to Pakistan or Iran, then on to Europe, Australia, Canada or the United States, immigration officials said.
Among the most capable and brightest of their generation, some are fleeing war-ravaged villages or ethnic tribal violence. But more appear to be pursuing education and higher-paying jobs, sending money home to their families or arranging for relatives to join them abroad.
The common thread among them, human rights activists said, is a growing impatience with the war and a lack of faith that U.S. and NATO forces, which are aiming to hand off authority to Afghan troops by 2014, will prevail against the Taliban.
"What's driving this sharp increase is an uncertainty among the population about the future," said Ahmad Nader Nadery, a commissioner at the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission. "As the discussions about troop withdrawal become much more serious, this is a question of survival. They don't see the current fragility in this government allowing it to make a smooth transition to prevent the Taliban from coming back."
The increase of Afghan refugees has prompted foreign governments to implement stricter immigration controls. In Australia, where 2,705 Afghans have applied for asylum this year, significantly more than last year, officials froze all Afghan cases for six months before lifting the ban in October. Less than one-third of the Afghan applicants in Australia have been granted asylum protection this year.
European countries, which have no unified asylum policy, have deported hundreds of Afghan refugees and kept many more in detention centers or refugee camps for months. Fewer Afghans have applied for asylum in the United States, which immigration officials attributed to the closer proximity of Europe and easier access to South Asian staging points for reaching Australia. In 2010, 113 Afghans applied for asylum in the United States, the most since 2002, according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service.
But what's to be done? Sixty-Five years ago, Europe was in a shambles. From the Normandy coast all the way to Moscow, thousands of miles of countryside and millions of people were affected by the ravages of war. There could have been a mass migration, but there wasn't...primarily because of something we did called the Marshall Plan.
Unfortunately, such a thing would be impossible today. Nevermind the financial repercussions; the political will just isn't there. It's perhaps a sad commentary that our "greatest generation" fought tyranny, and then turned around and helped to rebuild society. Today's statesmen only seem interested in staying in power and lining their pockets.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 14:07:08
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 14:07:08
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 11/30/2010 14:22:05
Good Morning. Those stories just make me so sad.
Raine on 11/30/2010 14:22:05
Good Morning. Those stories just make me so sad.
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/30/2010 14:28:59
TriSec on 11/30/2010 14:28:59
Well, we here at "AAV" always strive to make your day a little more grim.
My Antiwar.com bookmark dates back to 2005 now....that's an awful lot of stories to write, and I always have extras.
But you knew that already.
My Antiwar.com bookmark dates back to 2005 now....that's an awful lot of stories to write, and I always have extras.
But you knew that already.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 14:35:29
Raine on 11/30/2010 14:35:29
As passport to LAs Vegas? 
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 14:45:36
how old was the kid? I want to say I thought you needed something when you crossed a stateline when I was little
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 14:45:36
Quote by Raine:
As passport to LAs Vegas?
how old was the kid? I want to say I thought you needed something when you crossed a stateline when I was little
Comment by 
BobR on 11/30/2010 14:50:19
BobR on 11/30/2010 14:50:19
Morning... 
I have to wonder if the world and our country were this fucked up when we were younger.
I have to wonder if the world and our country were this fucked up when we were younger.
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2010 14:50:53
TriSec on 11/30/2010 14:50:53
Don't know about that. We went to the Montreal Olympics in '76, and all we needed then was a birth certificate, but we obviously were travelling with mum and dad.
I also flew to KPBI multiple times as a youngling, but again I was travelling with a family member. I know today if you're travelling solo with a child, even if it's your own, you need a signed affadavit to get on an aircraft, because they think you're kidnapping your own child. After he gets molested by the TSA, of course.
I also flew to KPBI multiple times as a youngling, but again I was travelling with a family member. I know today if you're travelling solo with a child, even if it's your own, you need a signed affadavit to get on an aircraft, because they think you're kidnapping your own child. After he gets molested by the TSA, of course.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 14:57:30
he was 10.
Raine on 11/30/2010 14:57:30
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
As passport to LAs Vegas?
how old was the kid? I want to say I thought you needed something when you crossed a stateline when I was little
Can I borrow some money so we can move into an apartment and buy a new Mustang convertible? I don’t mean to waste money. I will use some of the money to buy a drum set and have a cool pool. Can I have $10,000 to buy my passport to go to Las Vegas? Send me a picture of the White House and the statue of Abraham Lincoln.
— LUIS MOLINA, age 10, Los Angeles
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 15:01:18
Raine on 11/30/2010 15:01:18
SEriously -- if the GOP says we can't extend UI becuase it has to be paid for -- then they should do the same for the Bush Tax Cuts.
frucking hypocrites.
frucking hypocrites.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 15:05:10
hmmm - at 10 I would think he should know better when it comes to states and the US - interesting little spot light on the education system there
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 15:05:10
Quote by Raine:he was 10.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
As passport to LAs Vegas?
how old was the kid? I want to say I thought you needed something when you crossed a stateline when I was littleCan I borrow some money so we can move into an apartment and buy a new Mustang convertible? I don’t mean to waste money. I will use some of the money to buy a drum set and have a cool pool. Can I have $10,000 to buy my passport to go to Las Vegas? Send me a picture of the White House and the statue of Abraham Lincoln.
— LUIS MOLINA, age 10, Los Angeles
hmmm - at 10 I would think he should know better when it comes to states and the US - interesting little spot light on the education system there
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 15:22:53
Raine on 11/30/2010 15:22:53
Looks like the Justice Department is going to try to go after the Wikileaks founder.
This is what I was trying to talk about regarding yesterday's blog.
This is what I was trying to talk about regarding yesterday's blog.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 15:30:18
Raine on 11/30/2010 15:30:18
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 15:31:29
Raine on 11/30/2010 15:31:29
Did I not say this wiki thing was a little too gossip girl yesterday??? 
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 15:35:21
does anyone remember the scene in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil with JOhn Cusack and Kevin Spacey at the party - that's what this makes me think of
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 15:35:21
Quote by Raine:
Did I not say this wiki thing was a little too gossip girl yesterday???
does anyone remember the scene in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil with JOhn Cusack and Kevin Spacey at the party - that's what this makes me think of
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 15:35:55
Raine on 11/30/2010 15:35:55
That doesn't make sense.
Telephone came out AFTER they had all this information, if I recall correctly.
Telephone came out AFTER they had all this information, if I recall correctly.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 15:38:26
I wasn't paying attention - what did I miss - a telephone came out? what?
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 15:38:26
Quote by Raine:
That doesn't make sense.
Telephone came out AFTER they had all this information, if I recall correctly.
I wasn't paying attention - what did I miss - a telephone came out? what?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 15:48:44
Raine on 11/30/2010 15:48:44
10 min - Mar 15, 2010
Uploaded by LadyGagaVEVO
The War diaries were dropped in June. from wikipedia:
Manning was arrested in May So that means he KNEW what he was looking for -- and I suspect he was collaborating with someone. This information is just TOO targeted.
I am starting to think he is being placed as the fall guy here. and yes: I have this on right now:
Uploaded by LadyGagaVEVO
The War diaries were dropped in June. from wikipedia:
In April 2010, WikiLeaks posted video from a 2007 incident in which Iraqi civilians were killed by U.S. forces, on a website called Collateral Murder. In July of the same year, WikiLeaks released Afghan War Diary, a compilation of more than 76,900 documents about the War in Afghanistan not previously available for public review.[9] In October, the group released a package of almost 400,000 documents called the Iraq War Logs in coordination with major commercial media organisations.
Manning was arrested in May So that means he KNEW what he was looking for -- and I suspect he was collaborating with someone. This information is just TOO targeted.
I am starting to think he is being placed as the fall guy here. and yes: I have this on right now:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 15:49:24
I posted the video : Telephone.
Raine on 11/30/2010 15:49:24
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
That doesn't make sense.
Telephone came out AFTER they had all this information, if I recall correctly.
I wasn't paying attention - what did I miss - a telephone came out? what?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 15:51:00
Raine on 11/30/2010 15:51:00
You see? here we go, a caller with the conspiracy theories. I mentioned THIS yesterday as well.
(I am sorry for all the I told you so's today -- I feel like I nailed it yesterday.)
-- edit: another caller, mentioning Valerie Plane.
(I am sorry for all the I told you so's today -- I feel like I nailed it yesterday.)
-- edit: another caller, mentioning Valerie Plane.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 15:54:46
Raine on 11/30/2010 15:54:46
I know this is cold, but federal workers have not had a pay freeze in over 10 years.
Many private sector workers have had to suffer little to NO raises, furlows, and severe unemployment. PEople on SS have gotten NO COLA for the past 2 years.
Yes I think that we need to cut the defense budget, but as much as this hurts -- I think it is fair. There is not going to be layoffs.
and maybe this will get people to wake up. It's politics, it sucks, I know -- but shit -- he said he would do this.
Many private sector workers have had to suffer little to NO raises, furlows, and severe unemployment. PEople on SS have gotten NO COLA for the past 2 years.
Yes I think that we need to cut the defense budget, but as much as this hurts -- I think it is fair. There is not going to be layoffs.
and maybe this will get people to wake up. It's politics, it sucks, I know -- but shit -- he said he would do this.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 15:59:11
hey, no arguement here, I watched gov workers whining on the news last night and all I could think was that they more likely make more then I do and I'm doing okay so what are they complaining about
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 15:59:11
Quote by Raine:
I know this is cold, but federal workers have not had a pay freeze in over 10 years.
Many private sector workers have had to suffer little to NO raises, furlows, and severe unemployment. PEople on SS have gotten NO COLA for the past 2 years.
Yes I think that we need to cut the defense budget, but as much as this hurts -- I think it is fair. There is not going to be layoffs.
and maybe this will get people to wake up. It's politics, it sucks, I know -- but shit -- he said he would do this.
hey, no arguement here, I watched gov workers whining on the news last night and all I could think was that they more likely make more then I do and I'm doing okay so what are they complaining about
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 16:01:31
ah, okay I thought they were talking about the unit that remade the Gaga video and they guy dressed as a telephone came out - I was confused
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 16:01:31
Quote by Raine:I posted the video : Telephone.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
That doesn't make sense.
Telephone came out AFTER they had all this information, if I recall correctly.
I wasn't paying attention - what did I miss - a telephone came out? what?
ah, okay I thought they were talking about the unit that remade the Gaga video and they guy dressed as a telephone came out - I was confused
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 16:02:45
I know that some of these workers are blue collar jobs (like those that pick up garbage)
I know that not all of them are hight paying jobs. I know this bites. They still have a job.
Raine on 11/30/2010 16:02:45
Quote by wickedpam:
hey, no arguement here, I watched gov workers whining on the news last night and all I could think was that they more likely make more then I do and I'm doing okay so what are they complaining about
I know that not all of them are hight paying jobs. I know this bites. They still have a job.
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2010 16:04:27
TriSec on 11/30/2010 16:04:27
Idle thoughts on the wikileaks...
If this website was based in Syria, or Iran, or anywhere other than Sweden, do you think we would have bombed it by now?
And whatever happened to the "secure copies" they used to make of sensitive documents? Say you made 100 copies of something, each copy would have an identifying mark on it. (like an extra comma, a word misspelled, etc.) They would keep track of who got which copy, and if anything leaked, they would know who did it.
Hollywood still does this with scripts, so why did the Pentagon stop? (It was a Reagan-era thing.)
If this website was based in Syria, or Iran, or anywhere other than Sweden, do you think we would have bombed it by now?
And whatever happened to the "secure copies" they used to make of sensitive documents? Say you made 100 copies of something, each copy would have an identifying mark on it. (like an extra comma, a word misspelled, etc.) They would keep track of who got which copy, and if anything leaked, they would know who did it.
Hollywood still does this with scripts, so why did the Pentagon stop? (It was a Reagan-era thing.)
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 16:08:31
Raine on 11/30/2010 16:08:31
This is REALLY great news. Now let's say a little prayer that it gets PASSED by the house.
The legislation, which passed by a vote of 73 to 25, would greatly strengthen the Food and Drug Administration, an agency that in recent decades focused more on policing medical products than ensuring the safety of foods. The bill is intended to get the government to crack down on unsafe foods before they harm people rather than after outbreaks occur.
Despite unusual bipartisan support on Capitol Hill and a strong push from the Obama administration, the bill could still die because there might not be enough time for the usual haggling between the Senate and House of Representatives, which passed its own version last year. Top House Democrats said that they would consider simply passing the Senate version to speed approval.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 16:11:40
Depends on where you live - in this area you only have to get to a G7 to break into the 40K's
Gov scale by locality
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 16:11:40
Quote by Raine:I know that some of these workers are blue collar jobs (like those that pick up garbage)Quote by wickedpam:
hey, no arguement here, I watched gov workers whining on the news last night and all I could think was that they more likely make more then I do and I'm doing okay so what are they complaining about
I know that not all of them are hight paying jobs. I know this bites. They still have a job.
Depends on where you live - in this area you only have to get to a G7 to break into the 40K's
Gov scale by locality
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 16:13:53
Siprnet is a sharing network. There is a serious problem with that tho, from the link in yesterdays blog:
Raine on 11/30/2010 16:13:53
Quote by TriSec:
Idle thoughts on the wikileaks...
If this website was based in Syria, or Iran, or anywhere other than Sweden, do you think we would have bombed it by now?
And whatever happened to the "secure copies" they used to make of sensitive documents? Say you made 100 copies of something, each copy would have an identifying mark on it. (like an extra comma, a word misspelled, etc.) They would keep track of who got which copy, and if anything leaked, they would know who did it.
Hollywood still does this with scripts, so why did the Pentagon stop? (It was a Reagan-era thing.)
Again in theory, any memory stick or CD connected to a computer with Siprnet access must automatically be labelled secret and stored securely. If a personal device such as an iPod is connected it can be confiscated. In practice these multiple layers of security were relaxed to make the system as easy to use as possible.
There have been suggestions that an alarm system to detect suspicious use of the network was suspended for US military personnel in Iraq after they complained it was inconvenient.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 16:16:22
NYS employees have this kind of pay scale.
thanks for that link, Mala. Bookmarking it!
Raine on 11/30/2010 16:16:22
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I know that some of these workers are blue collar jobs (like those that pick up garbage)Quote by wickedpam:
hey, no arguement here, I watched gov workers whining on the news last night and all I could think was that they more likely make more then I do and I'm doing okay so what are they complaining about
I know that not all of them are hight paying jobs. I know this bites. They still have a job.
Depends on where you live - in this area you only have to get to a G7 to break into the 40K's
Gov scale by locality
thanks for that link, Mala. Bookmarking it!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 16:20:14
not a prob - there used to me another site where you could lood for fed jobs and it had all this info but I couldn't find it quick
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 16:20:14
Quote by Raine:NYS employees have this kind of pay scale.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I know that some of these workers are blue collar jobs (like those that pick up garbage)Quote by wickedpam:
hey, no arguement here, I watched gov workers whining on the news last night and all I could think was that they more likely make more then I do and I'm doing okay so what are they complaining about
I know that not all of them are hight paying jobs. I know this bites. They still have a job.
Depends on where you live - in this area you only have to get to a G7 to break into the 40K's
Gov scale by locality
thanks for that link, Mala. Bookmarking it!
not a prob - there used to me another site where you could lood for fed jobs and it had all this info but I couldn't find it quick
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2010 16:28:42
The thing is - Wikileaks is replicated in multiple servers in multiple regions of the world. You can't bomb a location and destroy it.
BobR on 11/30/2010 16:28:42
Quote by TriSec:
Idle thoughts on the wikileaks...
If this website was based in Syria, or Iran, or anywhere other than Sweden, do you think we would have bombed it by now?
And whatever happened to the "secure copies" they used to make of sensitive documents? Say you made 100 copies of something, each copy would have an identifying mark on it. (like an extra comma, a word misspelled, etc.) They would keep track of who got which copy, and if anything leaked, they would know who did it.
Hollywood still does this with scripts, so why did the Pentagon stop? (It was a Reagan-era thing.)
The thing is - Wikileaks is replicated in multiple servers in multiple regions of the world. You can't bomb a location and destroy it.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 17:01:29
Raine on 11/30/2010 17:01:29
Rupert Murdoch also funds saudi arabia
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 17:03:04
SO...
Wikileaks is like Al Qaeda?
Raine on 11/30/2010 17:03:04
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
Idle thoughts on the wikileaks...
If this website was based in Syria, or Iran, or anywhere other than Sweden, do you think we would have bombed it by now?
And whatever happened to the "secure copies" they used to make of sensitive documents? Say you made 100 copies of something, each copy would have an identifying mark on it. (like an extra comma, a word misspelled, etc.) They would keep track of who got which copy, and if anything leaked, they would know who did it.
Hollywood still does this with scripts, so why did the Pentagon stop? (It was a Reagan-era thing.)
The thing is - Wikileaks is replicated in multiple servers in multiple regions of the world. You can't bomb a location and destroy it.
Wikileaks is like Al Qaeda?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 17:09:06
Raine on 11/30/2010 17:09:06
Ok -- listening to Orally and his claim that the Obama administration isn't taking this Wikileaks thing with a "sense of urgency" only proves to me that he doesn't fracking read.
I posted this earlier.
I posted this earlier.
But the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the inquiry is rapidly unfolding, said charges could be filed under the act. The U.S. attorney's office in Alexandria - which in 2005 brought Espionage Act charges, now dropped, against two former pro-Israel lobbyists - is involved in the effort, the sources said.
The Pentagon is leading the investigation and it remains unclear whether any additional charges would be brought in the military or civilian justice systems. Pfc. Bradley Manning, an Army intelligence analyst suspected of being the source of the WikiLeaks documents, was arrested by the military this year.
Comment by 
livingonli on 11/30/2010 17:20:37
livingonli on 11/30/2010 17:20:37
Good day folks. Still very tired. Need some good vibes for me and the car.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 17:24:46
Raine on 11/30/2010 17:24:46
ok, Ed's getting clicked off -- I don;t need him yelling.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 17:25:34
What's going on with the car?
Raine on 11/30/2010 17:25:34
Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Still very tired. Need some good vibes for me and the car.
What's going on with the car?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:26:00
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ :hug: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:26:00
Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Still very tired. Need some good vibes for me and the car.
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Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:26:51
and Thom is the usual downer - I know its shallow but I need fun stuff to keep from getting depressed
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:26:51
Quote by Raine:
ok, Ed's getting clicked off -- I don;t need him yelling.
and Thom is the usual downer - I know its shallow but I need fun stuff to keep from getting depressed
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2010 17:36:10
When I get paid I need a new battery and to be able to close my trunk. I've pissed enough money on this car lately.
livingonli on 11/30/2010 17:36:10
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Still very tired. Need some good vibes for me and the car.
What's going on with the car?
When I get paid I need a new battery and to be able to close my trunk. I've pissed enough money on this car lately.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:37:53
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:37:53
have I gotten everyone info for Blogger Joe - last call 
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 17:39:12
And you checked the fluid levels in the battery, right?
What is going on with the trunk? This is the first time I have heard about this. Once you get these things together, (and I KNOW you aren't going to like hearing this) maybe you can keep putting in a few extra hours, put the money away and get another car? Even a used on will be better than this, no?
Raine on 11/30/2010 17:39:12
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Still very tired. Need some good vibes for me and the car.
What's going on with the car?
When I get paid I need a new battery and to be able to close my trunk. I've pissed enough money on this car lately.
What is going on with the trunk? This is the first time I have heard about this. Once you get these things together, (and I KNOW you aren't going to like hearing this) maybe you can keep putting in a few extra hours, put the money away and get another car? Even a used on will be better than this, no?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 17:40:42
they are both good people, but keerist -- why is Ed yelling at me??? I agree with him!!!!
I'll just listen to WTOP for a bit, and then put on some music station.
Raine on 11/30/2010 17:40:42
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
ok, Ed's getting clicked off -- I don;t need him yelling.
and Thom is the usual downer - I know its shallow but I need fun stuff to keep from getting depressed
I'll just listen to WTOP for a bit, and then put on some music station.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2010 17:41:27
You have my email addee, right? it never changed.
Raine on 11/30/2010 17:41:27
Quote by wickedpam:
have I gotten everyone info for Blogger Joe - last call
You have my email addee, right? it never changed.
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2010 17:41:30
At some point, you need to quit throwing good money after bad. And don't forget what I said about updating your resume and taking a look around.
BobR on 11/30/2010 17:41:30
Quote by Raine:And you checked the fluid levels in the battery, right?Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Still very tired. Need some good vibes for me and the car.
What's going on with the car?
When I get paid I need a new battery and to be able to close my trunk. I've pissed enough money on this car lately.
What is going on with the trunk? This is the first time I have heard about this. Once you get these things together, (and I KNOW you aren't going to like hearing this) maybe you can keep putting in a few extra hours, put the money away and get another car? Even a used on will be better than this, no?
At some point, you need to quit throwing good money after bad. And don't forget what I said about updating your resume and taking a look around.
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2010 17:42:25
I said I was in on the blogger Joe post. I'm assuming you have my address; let me know if I need to send it.
BobR on 11/30/2010 17:42:25
Quote by wickedpam:
have I gotten everyone info for Blogger Joe - last call
I said I was in on the blogger Joe post. I'm assuming you have my address; let me know if I need to send it.
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2010 17:43:36
When my 401K loan is finally paid off, it looks like I will have to take out another one because even used ones aren't cheap these days although they are still cheaper than new ones.
livingonli on 11/30/2010 17:43:36
Quote by Raine:And you checked the fluid levels in the battery, right?Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Still very tired. Need some good vibes for me and the car.
What's going on with the car?
When I get paid I need a new battery and to be able to close my trunk. I've pissed enough money on this car lately.
What is going on with the trunk? This is the first time I have heard about this. Once you get these things together, (and I KNOW you aren't going to like hearing this) maybe you can keep putting in a few extra hours, put the money away and get another car? Even a used on will be better than this, no?
When my 401K loan is finally paid off, it looks like I will have to take out another one because even used ones aren't cheap these days although they are still cheaper than new ones.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:45:42
I agree with Raine about the new/used car - I know what its like to sink money into a car - I spent a couple thousand on my old Neon - even bought a new transmission but a few months later oil started leaking into the gas so I had to get a new car (which is the car I have now - I
my Hyundai had it since just after 9/11 ) it sucks, I know and its a struggle but reliable and safe transportation is important
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:45:42
Quote by Raine:And you checked the fluid levels in the battery, right?Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Still very tired. Need some good vibes for me and the car.
What's going on with the car?
When I get paid I need a new battery and to be able to close my trunk. I've pissed enough money on this car lately.
What is going on with the trunk? This is the first time I have heard about this. Once you get these things together, (and I KNOW you aren't going to like hearing this) maybe you can keep putting in a few extra hours, put the money away and get another car? Even a used on will be better than this, no?
I agree with Raine about the new/used car - I know what its like to sink money into a car - I spent a couple thousand on my old Neon - even bought a new transmission but a few months later oil started leaking into the gas so I had to get a new car (which is the car I have now - I
my Hyundai had it since just after 9/11 ) it sucks, I know and its a struggle but reliable and safe transportation is important
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:46:17
yeppers
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 17:46:17
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
have I gotten everyone info for Blogger Joe - last call
I said I was in on the blogger Joe post. I'm assuming you have my address; let me know if I need to send it.
yeppers
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/30/2010 18:03:39
My info is the same as last year, if you still have it on file that is..
Oh and hiyas everyone! Busy day with end of the month shenanigans here..
Scoopster on 11/30/2010 18:03:39
Quote by wickedpam:
have I gotten everyone info for Blogger Joe - last call
My info is the same as last year, if you still have it on file that is..
Oh and hiyas everyone! Busy day with end of the month shenanigans here..
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2010 18:04:24
wickedpam on 11/30/2010 18:04:24
gawd, I'm so tired of the whining 